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Linear View Of Messages On FIREFLYFANS.NET For Thursday, September 02, 2010
Cast of 'Castle' dressed to kill Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 10:46
AURAPTOR
Three-point, four-hour, should do it.



Quote:

Originally posted by BigRichard:
Am I the only one who finds Summer's leg in that picture to be really awkward?
It's just such an odd position, with her leg up there in front of Nathan...



Huh? Did you say something ? I was looking at Summer's lovely bare leg.....







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Cast of 'Castle' dressed to kill Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:06

AURaptor, pretty sure that's what Nathan said when the photographer yelled 'Cheese!'

Just thought it was an odd position, and looked awkward.

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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:40
PENGUIN
"You know...your coat is kind of a brownish color..."



Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

If they didn't wanna all be tarred with the same brush, then maybe they shouldn't present themselves as a unified wall of stupid all spouting the exact same idiotic talking points cribbed verbatim from the same goddamn morons winding them up to use their stupidity for nefarious purposes, neh ?


Damed Republicans...





King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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RE: RE: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:42
PENGUIN
"You know...your coat is kind of a brownish color..."



Quote:

Originally posted by FloralBunny:
A little treat for hungry penguins:
http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=38305

bun
does this have anything to do with a bucket list?



Awww!

Thanks, bun!





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browncoat bar and grill-hot to trot Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:25

Big Smile for the day.
Go to You Tube and listen Joey and Rory sing "Daisy Dukes". Song is guaranteed to bring a smile.

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Smile for the Day Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:27

You tube-Joey and Rory singing a song called "Daisy Dukes".
Start the weekend early take a look at "Hillbilly Bone" by Trace Adkins and Blake Shelton too.



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Cast of 'Castle' dressed to kill Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:44

Quote:






That's a lovely outfit Jewel is almost wearing.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 13:21
KPO
We're two of a kind, we'll find a way...



An article by an American living in London, about different working conditions in USA vs Europe. The comments at the bottom are also quite good.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11139960

It's not personal. It's just war.


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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 13:32
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org



Illegal alien anchor baby grows up to become a fine upstanding member of society:



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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 13:35
CANTTAKESKY
Take me out to the black. Tell 'em I ain't comin' back.



Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I'm not advocating stopping him, just making a comment on the state of so-called Christianity in our country today.



But Niki, these idiots don't represent the state of so-called Christianity in our country today. No more than Al-Qaeda represents Islam.

There are mean, hateful wankers in all religions (except maybe Buddhism--haven't heard of a hateful Buddhist yet personally). They don't represent, man. They don't represent.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 13:41
CANTTAKESKY
Take me out to the black. Tell 'em I ain't comin' back.



Yes, good article. I learned a lot from the comments as well.

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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 14:12

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/31/signs-in-arizona-warn-of-smuggler-dangers/

Pffft. While there's definitely some points here to be made about drug traffickers, I'm irritated by the constant, calculated use of the word "cede" like they're puppets all with the same hand up their ass. I also don't take kindly to the suggestion that I should get so scared that I should demand "this administration do whatever it takes to restore law and order."

No thank you, I'm not particularly eager to ask a corrupt trigger-happy and oppressive government to send in their stormtroopers. :/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38933612/ns/world_news-americas/

That ain't a night club. It was a brothel. Pretty damn obvious what happened here, if you ask me. Owners were from a rival drug cartel, because in a crime ring, drugs and brothels go hand in hand.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 14:33
ANTHONYT
"Freedom"



Hello,

I'd rather vote for shorter work days, to better synchronize the work day with the school day.

--Anthony

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Obama's Info Czar gunned down by death squad Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 14:34

Jew Rockefeller Depopulation Plans Exposed
http://www.infowars.com/three-articles-for-mass-distribution-rockefeller-depopulation-plans-exposed/

I contest that they haven't proven by any means that FPV is being added to actual disease vaccinations. I don't put it past them, but more evidence on this front is needed for the claim to have any chance of convincing the general public. Keep digging.

I note, however, that the mechanisms by which such a vaccine would work that they are proposing are alarming. Creating vaccines that intentionally build up antibody reaction to human proteins is a bad, bad idea. Your body doesn't just forget becoming allergic to something. The claims being made of the temporary nature of these vaccines are dubious at best. Either they don't know what they're doing or they know all too well.

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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 14:45

You can get some amazing travel deals now if you're planning a vacation in Mexico. Only problem is you may get your head cut off, which will still be less problematic than drinking their water.







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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 14:55

Heh. My brother went to Mexico for his honeymoon a couple years ago. Don't know if he picked up any parasites, but maybe.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 15:20
KANEMAN
"Love is not like anything..especially a FUC*ING knife"



Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584553

Kabul Bank on the verge of collapse as thousands of Afghans pull their money out. Seems the Karzai government, supported, bought and paid for by the U.S. government, was using lots and lots of that "foreign aid" money we sent them to buy vacation villas in Dubai for friends and family. Now, Dubai's real estate bubble has burst and collapsed, dragging the Afghan government and its biggest private bank down with it.

And we lucky Americans of course get to foot the bill, again. We're buying them vacation villas over there, so we don't have to buy them vacation villas over here, it would seem.

But yeah, it's our "freedoms" that Al Qaeda hates us for. Not for shit like this, which enriches dishonest fat-cat crime lords at the cost of the working Afghans and the working-class Americans. Sure... Keep telling yourselves that.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.






That is why we have to vote the bums out, starting with as many Dems this November that we can unseat and ending with the bounce of Barry in 2012. If we can replace all these career polititians and replace them with tea party types and fiscal conservatives we can correct these types of scams......

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 15:25
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Except it was those "fiscal conservatives" who got us into these wars in the first place, and then asked for no tax increases to pay for them, and just shoveling deficit money at the war machine to keep them going and to stoke the fear of the right.

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Go fuck yourself.
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.



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76th Independent Battalion Part 39 Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 15:26

...ah; we feel bad but I'm sending good thoughts to all who go and march at D*C!!

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 15:49

I just learned: That "personal day" concept is astonishingly evil, especially if they cut down the number.

Holidays: for relaxing and replenishing mental and physical resources.
Sick takes: for recovering from illness.

Excellent way of encouraging contagious employees to infect everyone with the flu so they don't lose their vacation days.



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The GOP continues to clean it's house.....up next our house Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 15:54
KANEMAN
"Love is not like anything..especially a FUC*ING knife"



As the American people begin to wake up to the fact that our government is controlled by a group of elitists that constantly shun the will of the American people in favor of lobbists, partisianship, and special interests. At least for now one of the major parties is being transformed to closer resemble the American people. Leading this political revolution are a group of beloved tea partiers...Another one bites the dust.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/31/murkowski-concedes-alaska-primary-race-tea-party-candidate/


Sure they are going to be a relatively small force in congress(this cycle), however I am certain their ranks will swell over the coming cycles.....thank Gawd...

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:01
KANEMAN
"Love is not like anything..especially a FUC*ING knife"



KPO why are you starting trouble again? Do you really want to transform the world's most productive people into lazy Europeans? Americans have a work ethic that the rest of the world does not understand, when we are not working we get bored(yes, even with all our toys), sure it is a uniquely American quaity, however when we retire we die... soon after....Are you trying to kill us KPO?

Most Americans (-lazy american liberals) believe in working hard and getting everything off the sweat of our brow....Now excuse me, I have to go dig a ditch.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:12
MINCINGBEAST
"Affectedly refined, brutal, contemptible person." ♥ evil ♥



Media outlets are reporting an oil rig off of the La. coast exploded, thus introducing an indeterminate amount of delicious oil to the gulf coast.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704206804575467600528128386.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Clean up crews are hopefully in good shape, and well practiced. No word yet on whether or not this is a disaster on scale with the previous spill, though initial reports would suggest otherwise.



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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:14
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org



Does the British Empire have an alibi for its submarine fleet?

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'Nathan Fillion - this dude is straight off the meat rack, yo!' Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:16

Ohh, was watching Brendan Fraiser today on Martha, I think it would be hi-larious if he and Nathan Fillion would be in an epp. of Castle together...Oh the hijinks that would ensue... Maybe they could have a pun-off?

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FBI paid Arab bomber $97,000 to bomb jew churches Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:18
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org



FBI paid informant in Bronx synagogue bomb plot $97K, who provided terror suspects with fake bombs
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/25/2010-08-25_fbi_paid_informant_in_bronx_synagogue_bomb_plot_97k_who_provided_terror_suspects.html

FBI paid Emad Salem $1,000,000 to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993, with immunity for killing 6 people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmcidzFa4hg

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:26

Quote:


Except it was those "fiscal conservatives" who got us into these wars.....

..... just shoveling deficit money at the war machine to keep them going and to stoke the fear of the right.



August 30, 2010 CBO Report on Deficits clearly shows that the cost of the 2 wars is a mere pittance compared to the enormous debt Obama & Pelosi have run up in just 2 years with their failed domestic and economic polices.











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CAPTION TIGHTPANTS: AIM TO MISBEHAVE #25 Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:28



Hidden camera footage of Captain Malcolm Reynolds
dancing to Madonna's "Vogue"

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:30
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Nice try, Jongsie - except that the fiscal '09 budget was approved and locked in by Dubya before he left office.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:34

Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006. The deficit, the debt, it's all on them. Most Americans not only know it, they will show it in a few weeks when they vote.

















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Smoke on the Water Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:36
ANTHONYT
"Freedom"



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38973757

Hello,

Hopefully this one isn't as bad as the last one.

--Anthony



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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:37

I don't recall George Bush having a budget that included Obama's 1 Trillion dollar "stimulus" in early 2009. He was long gone.





CBO SAYS OBAMA'S "STIMULUS" MORE COSTLY THAN ENTIRE IRAQ WAR

According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.

The projected cost of the stimulus, which passed in February 2009, and is expected to have a shelf life of two years, was $862 billion.

The U.S. deficit for fiscal year 2010 is expected to be $1.3 trillion, according to CBO. That compares to a 2007 deficit of $160.7 billion and a 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion, according to data provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.








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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:42

Yeah. Could be faulty engineering the oil industry and the regulators have that going in spades, but I wouldn't rule out sabotage just yet.

Also, if this WAS a sabotage, and it turns out someone did it to protest the Deepwater Horizon Spill, I'ma headdesk so hard it'll be heard around the world. It's not likely, but it's my personal worst case scenario for critical loss of faith in all of humanity.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:42
ANTHONYT
"Freedom"



Hello,

I didn't see this earlier.

I guess we wait and see how bad it is.

--Anthony

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:45
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



You really don't understand how fiscal year budgets work, do you? Bush's final fiscal year budget included well over a trillion dollars in deficit spending. He never even mentioned a possibility of vetoing such a budget either, so to say it's all the Dems' fault is just retarded. He signed it, he approved it, hell, HE was the one who insisted that $800,000,000,000 had to be given over to Wall Street banks WITH NO OVERSIGHT AT ALL, and no possibility of legislative review.

That you can forget all that so easily and so quickly, is disturbing. You may have a concussion. You should probably get your head checked by a doctor.

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browncoat bar and grill-hot to trot Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:49
MSA



Morning

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.


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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:55

Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
That is why we have to vote the bums out, starting with as many Dems this November that we can unseat and ending with the bounce of Barry in 2012. If we can replace all these career polititians and replace them with tea party types and fiscal conservatives we can correct these types of scams......



Most of the CIA involved probably weren't appointed by anyone. You could try to vote someone in to kick out CIA involved who WERE appointed, but to do so would be to put a sniper target or bogus criminal charge on their back. It needs to be done, but you need to think how to protect people when the CIA inevitably turns on them. Then when you can offer that safety, it will happen.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 16:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You may have a concussion. You should probably get your head checked by a doctor.



Spin an deny all day long if it helps you come to grips with the harsh reality of a failed Democrat President and a despised Democrat Congress. The polls are telling us that a big change is coming. Sooner or later you will have to come to grips with that as well, or you can just continue to live in a fantasy land of denial with your ideology that represents only a small minority of Americans now. Heck, you'll like being on the "outs" again, it'll give you more to bitch about and hate Republicans and Conservatives for.







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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:06
KPO
We're two of a kind, we'll find a way...



The article writer makes the argument that most Americans are driven by fear, as much as work ethic. And I don't understand an argument that says "productivity for productivity's sake" - as if that should be a nation and society's highest aim... I don't think that's healthy.

I think there's a balance to be struck. When I visited France a few years with their sluggish economy they were consumed with the question: "Travaillent nous assez?" (do we work enough?) I think a balance somewhere in between America and France is best.

The lower classes in America seem to me to be the main losers in all of this: forced to work harder than Europeans for not much greater wage, perhaps lower taxes but much more expensive health care/higher education.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:14
KPO
We're two of a kind, we'll find a way...



Although strangely, France is more productive than the U.S, U.K, Germany...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_Productivity_levels_2007.svg

Maybe because of their culture of out-of-hours-work...? :-s

It's not personal. It's just war.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:14

I hadn't heard about it yet either. Hope it's not too bad; that's all they need!

Not sure how it would help them with the Deep Water, but you'd hear a LOT more than from me if it was on purpose!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:20

I was wondering how long it'd take before someone pointed out what a really stupid ol' Kane made there.

Turns out, not long at all.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:28
MINCINGBEAST
"Affectedly refined, brutal, contemptible person." ♥ evil ♥



curious: why would it occur to folks that this could be sabotage, or protest?

perhaps it is payback for the tragic shooting of James Lee, the Discovery Freedom Fighter?



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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:35

Well, it's pretty close in time frame, relatively speaking, to the other disaster. Or at least close enough that people still remember it. But it's also far enough removed in time that people aren't really paying attention anymore. One is a reason to suspect the incident, the other is a potential motive.

Anyway, I can't think of any possibilities either way to explain the time frame beyond either bad engineering across oil rigs in the gulf as a whole or sabotage for some political or monetary reason.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:41
MINCINGBEAST
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I have a very negative view of human nature, being human myself and familiar with how nasty we are. But, still, don't folks go about their wretched malfeasance with some sort of gain in mind? How would blowing up an oil rig and further devastating an already ruined region benefit anyone? Please note that my tone is not meant to be accusatory, but rather confused.

Also, La. belongs to the river and the sea, and will be reclaimed and drowned. Can't be stopped; might as well abandon it.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:43
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According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.



And you can spin and deny all you want, but not one penny of that was funded. It could have easily been paid for by NOT giving huge tax cuts to the top 2%, but instead, that deficit spending was more than doubled by enacting tax give-aways for the richest 2%.

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The U.S. deficit for fiscal year 2010 is expected to be $1.3 trillion, according to CBO. That compares to a 2007 deficit of $160.7 billion and a 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion, according to data provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.



Thanks for again conveniently dismissing and avoiding responsibility for the 2009 deficits. By the way, the 2010 fiscal is projected to be LESS of a deficit than the 2009 Bush budget.




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On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:48

Me, too...I don't see any way it would benefit them. And yes, my thoughts don't go directly to sabotage/conspiracy on stuff; I'm learning a lot by being here, but most of the time I just don't see life a all that conspiratorial.

Yes, New Orleans and that area is a pretty absurd situation; but mankind builds in all kinds of stupid places and won't be driven off, so that's just the way it goes. I had already heard from a friend in Illinois who knows the area long ago that the keep getting wiped out and rebuilding. Must be the same kind of mentality as our "river rats" up at the Russian River...they do the same, despite the River flooding on almost an annual basis.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:54

Uh...just to add; wasn't Karzai put in place by Bush, which would mean that this crap has been going on already for ten years or so, and only a year and a half under Obama? Yes, absolutely it needs to be STOPPED, but some perspective might be in order.

It's not just vacation villas, by the way. I saw a report showing virtual "castles" built by those guys in Kabul, which they then rented out to others because they LIVED in Dubai full time.

And yes, if anyone else has seen the reports of PALLETS of money leaving Afghanistan on planes regularly, they already know about the bullshit that's been going on. However well-meaning America is in helping other countries, we're not very good at it!

And also, if nobody remembered, Bush didn't put the war funding IN the budget...he got around the deficit that way, which Obama hasn't. Granted the deficit (a lot of which was left by Bush, and a lot of which was necessary to dig us OUT of what Bush left) needs dealing with, but it ought to be remembered that whatever Iraq and Afghanistan cost under Bush, it didn't show up in his budgets.


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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 17:59
MINCINGBEAST
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Me, too...I don't see any way it would benefit them. And yes, my thoughts don't go directly to sabotage/conspiracy on stuff; I'm learning a lot by being here, but most of the time I just don't see life a all that conspiratorial.

Yes, New Orleans and that area is a pretty absurd situation; but mankind builds in all kinds of stupid places and won't be driven off, so that's just the way it goes. I had already heard from a friend in Illinois who knows the area long ago that the keep getting wiped out and rebuilding. Must be the same kind of mentality as our "river rats" up at the Russian River...they do the same, despite the River flooding on almost an annual basis.

Strange little species, we are, we are...



Add a fair portion of the Central Valley to that list. For example, several commuter communities around here were built in a historic flood plain, and no amount of levees can guarantee their long term safety. Actually add LA (not La.) to that last, too, as certain portions of it are losing a battle with the mountains and seasonal fires and floods. I am cheering loudly for the fires and floods and mountains.

For more on the subject of humans building in dangerous, stupid places, and then whining when the inevitable occurs, I highly recommend The Control of Nature by John McPhee.

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The *ALL NEW* Ten Best SF movies of all-time Thread! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:12

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I don't get how Titanic is Sci Fi though...



Titanic used fictional science (because it was cheaper), much like if a film today showed how the sun revolves around the Earth, and how the entire Universe revolves around the Earth as well. We consider this fiction because this "Science" was disproven centuries ago (although the Vatican only admitted it a year or so ago).
Titanic was the first film about that ship and event which could have accurately portrayed how the unsinkable ship sank, because the wreck had been dove on and the cause verified. But Cameron decided he had already chosen a different ersion, and the special effects had been done for it, so it was cheaper to use the fictional science for the film.
The most notable, and first, person to accurately describe how it sank was in testimony at the Maritime Inquest following the sinking, the Chief Engineer of the shipyard that built her (I think at Glasgow). Nobody believed him, and the accurate explanation was discounted and ignored until the ship was investigated during the time of the filming.
I count it as Sci Fi.


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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:15
KANEMAN
"Love is not like anything..especially a FUC*ING knife"



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Originally posted by Storymark:
I was wondering how long it'd take before someone pointed out what a really stupid ol' Kane made there.

Turns out, not long at all.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



Where is the Grammarfairy? or the Missingawordfairy, or the Don'tcallsomeonestupidwhilewritingahalfsentencefairy?.

Skidmark, you are retarded...thank you for the laugh.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:16
KANEMAN
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Originally posted by kpo:
The article writer makes the argument that most Americans are driven by fear, as much as work ethic. And I don't understand an argument that says "productivity for productivity's sake" - as if that should be a nation and society's highest aim... I don't think that's healthy.

I think there's a balance to be struck. When I visited France a few years with their sluggish economy they were consumed with the question: "Travaillent nous assez?" (do we work enough?) I think a balance somewhere in between America and France is best.

The lower classes in America seem to me to be the main losers in all of this: forced to work harder than Europeans for not much greater wage, perhaps lower taxes but much more expensive health care/higher education.

It's not personal. It's just war.



I would just add that the writer is wrong.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:23

Yeah, Story, and he's not just wrong when it comes to France (see underlined section in final quote).

I think it would be healthier if American workers had more time off. Just compare Europe, which gets more time off than we do, with Japan, which gets less, and there's no doubt which is healthier. Personally, I wash shocked when I learned what we get in comparison to the rest of the developed world.

The Japanese have it even worse:
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Karoshi (過労死) (pronounced /karo:Si/), which can be translated quite literally from the Japanese as "death from overwork", is occupational sudden death. The major medical causes of karoshi deaths are heart attack and stroke due to stress.

Wen several high-ranking business executives who were still in their prime years suddenly died without any previous sign of illness, that the media began picking up on what appeared to be a new phenomenon. This new phenomenon was quickly labelled karoshi, and once it had a name and its symptoms were described and popularized, it was immediately seen as a new and serious menace for people in the work force.

Usually, Japan's rise from the devastation of World War II to economic prominence in the post-war decades has been regarded as the trigger for what has been called a new epidemic. It was recognized that employees cannot work for up to twelve hours a day six or seven days a week, year after year, without suffering physically as well as mentally.

In Korea, where a Confucian-inspired work ethic involves much of the adult populace, both male and female, in a six-day workweek with long hours, this phenomenon is known as "kwarosa" (Hangul, 과로사), a word derived from the same Chinese characters as its Japanese equivalent (過, ka, being the Chinese character for "exceed", 労, rou, for "labor", and 死, shi, for "death").

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Death from too much work is so commonplace in Japan that there is a word for it -- karoshi.

There is a national karoshi hotline, a karoshi self-help book and a law that funnels money to the widow and children of a salaryman (it's almost always a man) who works himself into an early karoshi for the good of his company.

A local Japanese government agency ruled June 30 for the widow and children of a 45-year-old Toyota chief engineer who died in 2006.

While organizing the worldwide manufacture of a hybrid version of the Camry sedan, the man had worked nights and weekends and often traveled abroad -- putting in up to 114 hours of overtime a month -- in the six months before he died in his bed of heart failure.

The cause of death was too much work, according to a ruling by the Labor Bureau of Aichi prefecture, where Toyota has its headquarters.

The engineer's daughter found his body on Jan. 2, 2006, the day before he was supposed to fly yet again to the United States for more work on the Camry launch, said Mikio Mizuno, an attorney for his wife.

For decades, the Japanese government has been trying, and largely failing, to set limits on work and on overtime. The problem of karoshi became prevalent enough to warrant its own word in the boom years of the late 1970s, as the number of Japanese men working more than 60 hours a week soared.

Thirty years later, overtime rules remain so nebulous and so weakly enforced that the United Nations' International Labor Organization has described Japan as a country with no legal limits on the practice.

The consequences show up not only in claims for death and disability from overwork but in suicides attributed to "fatigue from work." Among 2,207 work-related suicides in 2007, the most common reason (672 suicides) was overwork, according to government figures released in June.

Twice in the past year, Toyota -- the world's largest carmaker and a much-admired company in Japan -- has been publicly embarrassed by the deaths of employees who worked what Japanese authorities have judged to be killingly long hours.

Unpaid overtime is routine in factories and offices across Japan. At Toyota, it had been built into factory life -- in the form of long, after-hours quality-control sessions that were supposedly voluntary -- and was considered a key to the company's success. Participation in the sessions, though, often figured in a worker's prospects for promotion and higher pay.

McDonald's Japan, having lost a lawsuit to a restaurant manager who claimed his health failed because of long hours, announced in May that it, too, would pay more overtime.

So our firms over there are taking advantage of the Japanese work “ethic”.

We don't have a word for it (yet!), but it happens here, too.
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Americans work much more than Europeans: according to the OECD a typical employed American put in 1,877 hours in 2000, compared to 1,562 for his or her French counterpart. One American in three works more than fifty hours a week. Americans take fewer paid holidays than Europeans. Whereas Swedes get more than thirty paid days off work per year and even the Brits get an average of twenty-three, Americans can hope for something between four and ten, depending on where they live.

So more American adults are at work and they work much more than Europeans. What do they get for their efforts?

Not much, unless they are well-off. The US is an excellent place to be rich. Back in 1980 the average American chief executive earned forty times the average manufacturing employee. For the top tier of American CEOs, the ratio is now 475:1 and would be vastly greater if assets, not income, were taken into account. By way of comparison, the ratio in Britain is 24:1, in France 15:1, in Sweden 13:1.2 A privileged minority has access to the best medical treatment in the world. But 45 million Americans have no health insurance at all (of the world’s developed countries only the US and South Africa offer no universal medical coverage).

As a consequence, Americans live shorter lives than West Europeans. Their children are more likely to die in infancy: the US ranks twenty-sixth among industrial nations in infant mortality, with a rate double that of Sweden, higher than Slovenia’s, and only just ahead of Lithuania’s

Europeans work less: but when they do work they seem to put their time to better use. In 1970 GDP per hour in the EU was 35 percent below that of the US; today the gap is less than 7 percent and closing fast. Productivity per hour of work in Italy, Austria, and Denmark is similar to that of the United States; but the US is now distinctly outperformed in this key measure by Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, …and France.

Europeans even appear to be better at generating small and medium-size businesses. There are more small businesses in the EU than in the United States, and they create more employment (65 percent of European jobs in 2002 were in small and medium-sized firms, compared with just 46 percent in the US). And they look after their employees much better. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights promises the “right to parental leave following the birth or adoption of a child” and every West European country provides salary support during that leave. In Sweden women get sixty-four weeks off and two thirds of their wages. Even Portugal guarantees maternity leave for three months on 100 percent salary. The US federal government guarantees nothing. In the words of Valgard Haugland, Norway’s Christian Democratic minister for children and family: “Americans like to talk about family values. We have decided to do more than talk; we use our tax revenues to pay for family values.”

Yet despite such widely bemoaned bureaucratic and fiscal impediments to output, Europeans appear somehow to manage rather well.5 And of course the welfare state is not just a value in itself. In the words of the London School of Economics economist Nicholas Barr, it “is an efficiency device against market failure”6 : a prudential impediment to the social and political risks of excessive inequality. It was Winston Churchill who declared in March 1943 that “there is no finer investment for any community than putting milk into babies.” To his self-anointed disciples in contemporary America, however, this reeks of “welfare.” In the US today the richest 1 percent holds 38 percent of the wealth and they are redistributing it ever more to their advantage. Meanwhile one American adult in five is in poverty—compared with one in fifteen in Italy.

This article covers much more than working hours; it’s illuminating in the comparison/contrast between how the rest of the Westernized world looks at work and productivity, as compared to America. For anyone who is interested, http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/feb/10/europe-vs-america/

As you can see by the underlined passage, we're NOT more productive than a number of other countries. So that claim goes out the window; what else 'ya got for why our work situations are better than those with more time off?


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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:24
HERO
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kabul Bank on the verge of collapse as thousands of Afghans pull their money out...And we lucky Americans of course get to foot the bill, again.


Obama's planning to send them a large amount of cash to shore up the bank, but promises to withdraw all the funding by July of 2011.

Some people think that having a date-certain for withdrawl might not be a good idea but Obama is certain it will work.

H

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The *ALL NEW* Ten Best SF movies of all-time Thread! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:31
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity



That's a very round-about rationalization. Yes, it was a fictitious account of how the boat sank, but fiction does not equate to science fiction.




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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:38

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As a consequence, Americans live shorter lives than West Europeans. Their children are more likely to die in infancy: the US ranks twenty-sixth among industrial nations in infant mortality, with a rate double that of Sweden, higher than Slovenia’s, and only just ahead of Lithuania’s


That logical "proof" doesn't follow. Unless you can connect that to maternity leave, that's probably more symptomatic of the health care system than long work works.

As for work-related stress... Maybe, but it's hard for me to be objective because there are other factors that apply for me.

I've taken one vacation day in the past eight months, and no sick days. I have to save them for a couple trips I'm taking next year. At least they carry over...

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:41
MINCINGBEAST
"Affectedly refined, brutal, contemptible person." ♥ evil ♥



Though I am not overly fond of Protestants or Puritans, I support the Protestant/Puritan Work Ethic.

We ought not model ourselves after the indolent, nor allow our hands to be empty and idle. Except for when we are at work, which is the ideal time to browse teh interwebs.

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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:41
HERO
"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



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Originally posted by Niki2:
[B“The YMCA, Young Men's Christian Association, is a Voluntary, International, Christian, ecumenical movement that strives to reflect the cultural identity of the Nation in which it exists and serves.

The YMCA also offers a variety of programmes like prayer meetings, religious studies, etc. for the spiritual growth of the young people.”


You can get yourself cleaned, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel ...

H


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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:47

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I have a very negative view of human nature, being human myself and familiar with how nasty we are. But, still, don't folks go about their wretched malfeasance with some sort of gain in mind? How would blowing up an oil rig and further devastating an already ruined region benefit anyone? Please note that my tone is not meant to be accusatory, but rather confused.

Also, La. belongs to the river and the sea, and will be reclaimed and drowned. Can't be stopped; might as well abandon it.



There's plenty of people who this could benefit if not the oil companies, as morbid as this seems. And I even think oil companies could, I mean they are competing you know, take out your rival and make more money when there are less suppliers. If there isn't some crazy scheme to drive down supply to drive up prices.

Green groups could benefit by showing the evils of oil, the right wing can get people good and angry over the lack of response by the Obama administration. If you can't think of someone who might benefit who doesn't care about a bunch of poor (black) fisherman, fish, or birds, you're not being creative enough.

I thought of another possibility. It might be that the previous explosion destabilized subsurface strata all across the region. I think I found my new worst case scenario!

Although I still plan to epic facepalm if it comes out this was sabotage.

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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 18:54
HERO
"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You have no case.

End of discussion.


He does have a case and so do you. Your both right and your both wrong.

The plan was to build a Mosque. People had a problem with that...so they said, 'not so much a mosque as a community center'. People had a problem with that. They tried several variations of the 'its a mosque/community center/bingo hall/interfaith memorial/blah blah blah' and so on.

Right now, the plan is an Islamic Community Center which can function as a place of worship...ie a mosque. Its not the only one in the US or a new idea, there's one a mile from my house in NE Ohio. Good folks, hardly any terrorists. Their sign says Islamic Community Center at the top and has the worhship service times listed at the bottom.

I say build what you want there. I don't think its a good idea...but my opinion does not matter any more then anybody else's does...its a free frakking country. But unpaid back taxes...now we have something to talk about...'No Mosque for you!' and you wont see me crying for your loss fellas.

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browncoat bar and grill-hot to trot Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:06
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Afternoon ^_^ Seems to be a quiet day.

Aaaaalmost to the long weekend!



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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:09

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If they didn't wanna all be tarred with the same brush, then maybe they shouldn't present themselves as a unified wall of stupid all spouting the exact same idiotic talking points cribbed verbatim from the same goddamn morons winding them up to use their stupidity for nefarious purposes, neh ?
Now THAT, Frem, is absolutely beautiful, and in some ways IS the "end of discussion". Of course, that won't be accepted, but it says it all for me.

Jon Stewart put it all in perspective for me. Check out http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-25-2010/tennessee-no-evil He starts out showing clips of idjits saying it will be a “victory” for Al Qaeda...and his satire is wonderful:
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W cannot building this mosque and give the terrorists an erection! ...We must build the mosque or the terrorists will get an...haterection! ... But whether we build it or not, we should not talk about it, because if they hear us talk about it, they will at least become aroused... apparently the jihadists are the only ones in this fucking thing that can’t lose! It doesn’t matter what we do... See, one side says our weakness emboldens jihadists, the other side says our strength embitters jihadists. How about we try a new system, where we don’t give a fuck about what they think?
Right on, Jon!! Oh, how I love that comedians can "say it like it is" and get away with it!

Hey, Raptor, if you're not a Repulican, you're an American, then Republicans aren’t Americans?? I thought it was Democrats who were anti-America, terrorist-sympathizers, etc. Huh. And don’t kid yourself, you’re as conservative as they come, Republican or not. I also hate to tell you, but we’re ALL Americans (except our members from other countries, of course).

Cav, of course it’s a safe house. I mean, what could be less suspicious than a giant building in New York? We’d NEVER think of looking for them there...as opposed to, say, a plain old house in another country (from which 9/11 was plotted).

CantTake, my bad, you’re right of course. They don’t BEGIN to “represent”. Sorry. Gee, think that might mean the terrorists don’t represent Islam, either? Like both might be extremists who utilize their “religion” to do hateful things? Huh, what a thought...

No minds will be changed. Those set on believing it's a mosque (note Stewart says in big letters COMMUNITY CENTER) and Islam = terrorism can't afford to admit the truth, it takes away all their argument...they will just get more vociferous in insisting it is, and that this is a "mosque" intended as a victory to our enemies.

Once again I quote my favorite source:
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Research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic.

We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply “castle” into dogmatism. This is probably because they don‟t really know why they believe what they believe. They didn‟t figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said.

Once dogmatism turns out the lights, you might as well close up shop as a civilization and pull up the covers as a sentient life form. You get nowhere with unquestioning certainty. It’s thinking with your mind wide shut. But that would not faze most fundamentalists, because they know that their beliefs will get them exactly where they want to go.

They seemingly have a lot of hostility boiling away inside them that their authorities can easily unleash.

Chronically frightened authoritarian followers, looking for someone to attack because fighting is one of the things people do when they are afraid, are particularly likely to do so when they can find a moral justification for their hostility. Authoritarian followers feel empowered to isolate and segregate, to humiliate, to persecute, because in their heads they can almost hear the loudspeakers announcing, “Now batting for God’s team, his designated hitter, (their name).”



See again Jon Stewart's take on it. I wholeheartedly agree with him.


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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:11

Hero, I appreciate the change in your signature--I usually don't notice it, but something caught my eye as I posted and I went back to look. That is a valid and truthful quote from me, and I stand by it. Thank you.


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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:15
HERO
"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



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Originally posted by Niki2:
Hero, I appreciate the change in your signature--I usually don't notice it, but


BUT it sounds like you would rather not ignore my contributions.

Hearts and minds. I'll have you voting Palin/Newt in 2012...

H

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:26
HERO
"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



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Originally posted by kpo:
An article by an American living in London, about different working conditions in USA vs Europe. The comments at the bottom are also quite good.


I think we should celebrate Fastnach Day, National Hot Dog Day, Colonial Day, and either Columbus Day (usually Oct 12) or Leif Erikson Day (Oct 9)...because we need a Holiday between Labor Day and Veterens Day.

Being a govt employee I'm in favor of as many paid govt holidays as you want.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:29
HERO
"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Media outlets are reporting an oil rig off of the La. coast exploded, thus introducing an indeterminate amount of delicious oil to the gulf coast.


I was just thinking we needed another oil spill since the last one went over so well.

At least I wont have to marinate my shrimp this year...

H

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 19:51
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Unfortunately, the instant spill seems rather tame compared to BP's mess. However, there is a really big fire, which is a plus.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-explosion-20100903,0,2388188.story

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Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:03

The Commies were not true believers.The Muslims are thats the difference.And one other thing look at Europes most popular baby names ,its not Hansel and Gretel.Its Muhammed and they are out breeding us like 6 to 1 and the liberal media still doesnt get it ,they would be the first to die if the cult of Islam was in power.

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new oil spill: more practice! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:13

Hmm. Remember how they downplayed Deepwater at first. I wouldn't ever trust the initial estimates. Those are generally more PR than data.

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Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:21

Blah, misread someone's post - so mine must die.

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The *ALL NEW* Ten Best SF movies of all-time Thread! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:24

Yeah, that's about the most tortured nonsensical reasoning I've seen in a while.

By that measure, any film ever that wasn't a documentary is science fiction - because they ALL take liberties with something.

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browncoat bar and grill-hot to trot Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:35

Evening.

Surely does...

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And, the award for the BEST James Bond movie goes to... Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 20:56
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"Over the years you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE...THE...PEOPLE"



Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:


And I agree with you on Thunderball. It had just the right mix of everything.


The only drawback is that the big bad was so serious. He could have used a line of two from Goldfinger.


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And, the award for the BEST James Bond movie goes to... Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:00
CHRISISALL
"Over the years you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE...THE...PEOPLE"



Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:

I'd put Tomorrow Never Dies THEN Thunderball, just to be different.

TND also wins the "Most sexual inuendos in a Bond picture" award, I believe.


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Obama's Info Czar gunned down by death squad Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:31
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Byte, there's long been the concept amongst the powers that be, that the best way to depopulate or sterilize large sections of the population is via vaccinations, in part because they can spin refusals politically as poor benighted ignorance instead of the proper suspicion that's actually behind them as Africa has been their test bed for more than a few stunts like that to the point where the natives of many regions now automatically assume those "immunizations" they're being offered are toxic and/or dangerous.

I don't have time to look it up, but there's been sterilizations that way, various poisoning, and several recent outbreaks caused BY the vaccines themselves - also remember these were some of the same companies who managed to "accidently" violate BSL-3 containment (and feel free to ask Rue or Siggy just how likely an "accidental" breach of this nature, several times in a row, is.) and fill vials of "vaccine" with pure influenza virus and ship them round the world...

Something that anyone with half a lick of sense KNEW from the moment they started trying to reconstitute the 1918 Flu Strain, was the whole damned plan, and Rummy (herald of the 1976 Swine Flu scam) right in the middle of the whole goddamn ball of wax with GD Searle.

Only, humans EVOLVE, we endure, and what mighta done so much damage in 1918, we've had a hundred years of immune system development, that crochety old H5N1 or whichever, ain't shit, that's like trying to hack an Alienware Aurora with a fucking IBM Model 5150, you know ?

I don't have a cite, alas, but it's been said by a couple folk that the particular nasty "Swine Flu" strain (which turned out to be pathetic after all) is without doubt, lab-created, which should also bring up questions, as should the fucking Gardasil fiasco, which I can hardly discuss because of how that when down and how goddamn personal it became, in the end.

This is one of those so-obvious-everyone-knows things which no one wants to admit to, cause it impinges on the deeply held fantasies which insulate them from how ugly, how evil, the people in charge of everything really are, but this has always BEEN part of the cabals strategy, right along with Rex84, hell, even Asimov knew it, and wrote The Winnowing as a warning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winnowing

I'll give you the only hint you need, clever girl... Rummy, Swine Flu, Scoop Jackson, Church Committee, all that, all of this, and one hint is all you are going to need.

1976

-Frem
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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:35
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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
for his honeymoon


Well, other than the one, right ?

Ok, that was wrong...

I'm a bad, bad man, yes.

-Frem

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Smoke on the Water Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:40
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*wince*

Yes, and up here, we're still cleaning THAT one up, only it's been stalled for the most idiotic reason I can possible think of...

Report: 42 Mich. oil spill workers arrested over immigration concerns
http://www.freep.com/article/20100902/NEWS06/100902051/1320/Report-42-Mich.-oil-spill-workers-arrested-over-immigration-concerns

*headdesk*
Look, if they're willing to help clean up the mess I don't give a fuck WHO they are, in fact, I would offer to start and streamline the immigration process as a fucking BONUS.

Goddamn, some people would run a credit and background check before taking your hand if you tried to save them from drowning, and you know what ?

Those people, they SHOULD drown.

-Frem
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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:45
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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Most of the CIA involved probably weren't appointed by anyone. You could try to vote someone in to kick out CIA involved who WERE appointed, but to do so would be to put a sniper target or bogus criminal charge on their back. It needs to be done, but you need to think how to protect people when the CIA inevitably turns on them. Then when you can offer that safety, it will happen.


Not to mention the flood of "terrorist" attacks which'll happen in response, since if you poke deep enough into the affairs of every terrorist worth the fucking name, eventually you'll find CIA paystubs, won't you ?

It's a goddamn protection racket, and between them and the DOD/Defense contractor Corporate Welfare, all part of a useless "War Machine" that can't beat a bunch of Pashtun on donkeys with Ak47s...

The only thing they're "protecting" us from, is THEM.

Fuck Iraq, fuck Afghanistan, you wanna make America safe, bomb Langley, bomb Quantico, go after the REAL terrorists, the bastards right here.

-Frem

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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:47

No, I just tend to ignore people's signatures, once I get used to them.

I didn't respond to your post itself because what you said has pretty much been said before, by several people. I'm getting sick of refuting the same old tired arguments with facts, especially as I know it won't do a damned bit of good. However:

The only things I would argue with is the fact that it was begun as a "mosque", which it never was--it was Geller who latched onto it and started calling it one, the right picked up on it, and everyone followed their lead.

Secondly, nobody HAD a problem with it, again, until Geller got ahold of it and stirred it up. It was approved in an OPEN city council (I believe it was City Council) meeting...the public could have attended, if any of them DID, they could have caused a stink, gotten it on the MSM, in the newspapers, or it could have been rejected by the Council. NONE of that happened, and that was back last December...there was no hue and cry, no fuss until Geller started her smear campaign. People are easily led, and easily incited.

Lastly, it's also not an "Islamic Community Center which can function as a place of worship"--ONE ROOM within it can function as a place of worship, not the whole thing. Just clarifying.

But I agree on the whole with
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I don't think its a good idea...but my opinion does not matter any more then anybody else's does...its a free frakking country



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Obama's Info Czar gunned down by death squad Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:49

Wouldn't count out the Spanish flu just yet, though.

You know, a combination of encephalitis lethargica and a cytokine storm would look very similar to Guillian-Barre Syndrome, I think.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:51

I disagree, Frem, insofar as "every" terrorist has the CIA between them. Given the ineptitude of the CIA in times past, I think you're giving them too much credit.

I don't think we can quite blame the government for everything going on anywhere, much as we might ike to. Certainly they're entitled to their fair share of blame, but I believe it's less than what some thik. Just my opinion.


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THX-1138, the George Lucas Director's Cut... Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:53
CHRISISALL
"Over the years you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE...THE...PEOPLE"



I just got this movie at Big Lots yesterday for three bucks (cheaper than renting it) and I have to say, Lucas did not ruin it like I expected. Yeah, some parts were a bit re-edited, and some shell dwellers were replaced with CGI stuff, but overall, it was the same movie with a little added depth to the underground city is all.
Is it better than the original?
Not at all.
Visual was candy added- and it might offend fans of the more starkly abstract feel the original version needed to create with its limited budget- but I thought it was cool, in a Star Trek Remastered sort of way.


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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 21:58
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Niki, that is part of what causes Hikikomori, which I have begun to see over the last fifteen years here in the US as well, although we don't have a specific word for it yet - but just wait, big pharma is no doubt soon gonna have a whole term for it, complete with obligatory prescription med for just $149.95/week, yeah...


I HIGHLY reccommend Zielenziger's book on this.
http://www.shuttingoutthesun.com/

Part of it is also that both societies, ours and theirs, are so inhuman, anti-human, that one's own basic humanity causes them to be so repelled, so disgusted, that they simply REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE behind the bare minimum required to survive in a complex, technological society, which is more or less what one of my "issues" is, I find out sociopathic, inhuman society so personally revolting that just watching it makes me wanna puke.

Here in America, we do it a little differently though - yeah, get those student loans, that mountain of debt, that mortgage, car payment, mandatory insurance, bills bills bills, gotta pay the pusher man, gotta keep the credit rating, especially now when an employer or the insurance company can fuck you all up if it drops, pay and pay and pay and never do much but cover the interest, oh yes, the company store/truck system, taken on a wholesale social level to it's logical conclusion, workin 80 hours on a 40 hour salary, fuck that overtime, ha!

RUN little hamsters, RUN, spin that treadmill and enrich the elite, and when you can't run no more, suffer and die, cause all that extra money set aside for social security and retirement, HA!

What a sucker!

And so, some people don't play the game, or if they do, they cheat back, hard - it's the only logical thing to do.

Pouring sand in the gears all the while.

-Frem

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Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:02
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That username is either a victim of bad fortune, or unintentionally hilarious...

I'm gettin this image of the cute little Mac128 with a swastika screen saver, and it's giving me the giggles, I always knew Apple was eeevil!


-Frem

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:02

Quote:

I disagree, Frem, insofar as "every" terrorist has the CIA between them. Given the ineptitude of the CIA in times past, I think you're giving them too much credit.


He said "most every terrorist worth the name," and he's pretty much right on target if you interpret that as ones who have successfully attacked us. Check out McVeigh and the first World Trade Center bombing. The Mujahideen that Ocama Bin Laden came from were funded by the CIA when they went to intervene in the conflict in Kashmir, then they went to Afghanistan.

You'll have a hard time proving any of the terrorists were still been on the payrolls when they committed their most famous attacks, but they did, at some point or another, receive training from and worked for the CIA. That makes the CIA at least somewhat culpable IMO, even if it's more a scenario of having created a monster rather than controlling the monster.

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Your Tax Dollars at Work Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:06
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Ayep, and lets not forget Saddamn, Pinochet, The Shah, Papa Doc, and that whole little band of merry men - every single one of which has come back and bit us on the ass to where you start to wonder if maybe that wasn't the whole bloody POINT, to create and maintain that handy "external threat" to go and justify the abuses, textbook strategy.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:08

Frem: One of the friends I've met online is an American hikikomori.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:26

Yes we need a little more paid time off in this country. Maybe that's part of why a lot of people move so slow at work. We're just tired dang it.
But of course if we get more paid holiday time wages will go down and with prices the way they are who can afford that?
I also think people should also get more paid time off for bereavement when a spouse or child dies especially. Three days off with pay is not enough time to handle so many details and get yourself back together. I was lucky because I had already set up some vacation time earlier in the year. My husband died. I took care of the immediate business in those three days. Worked for a week and then had a week off during which I took care of as much remaining business as possible and cried a lot. I really think five to ten business days off would have been really beneficial, especially to collect myself emotionally.
Changes really need to be made in how employees are treated in this country.

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Would more holiday be good for America? Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:29
MINCINGBEAST
"Affectedly refined, brutal, contemptible person." ♥ evil ♥



hikikomori? interesting. i like to call these fellows "omega males", which I find more dismissive and less wapanese. my generation is littered with lads who display emerging "hikikomori" traits. you know them: they're like Biff from Death of Salesman, but without ever leaving home. Plus, PS3s and teh pron.


i can understand disgust, but i can't understand withdrawal on that scale. modern life sucks, but is still probably probably peachy compared to ancient life. its a shame that for some the best response to the stress of it all is so...infantile. either the ranks of these half-lives will increase, or we'll adapt better and they will decrease. perhaps they're just the unlucky bastards caught in transition between two epochs?

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Televangelist Counters Community Center with a 'Christian' Church Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:38
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Quote:

People are easily led, and easily incited.



Well, right-wingers are, certainly.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.



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THX-1138, the George Lucas Director's Cut... Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:43

I feel it is better. The CG does add to the experience, and blends well enough (it seems those who are upset over the CG in this tend to be people who can't let go of their sour grapes over SW). As for his changes in the edit, those were just to correct changes made by the studio against his wishes when the original was released.

Damned good flick, though.

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Mexican vacation in HELL Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:47
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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/31/signs-in-arizona-warn-of-smuggler-dangers/

Pffft. While there's definitely some points here to be made about drug traffickers, I'm irritated by the constant, calculated use of the word "cede" like they're puppets all with the same hand up their ass. I also don't take kindly to the suggestion that I should get so scared that I should demand "this administration do whatever it takes to restore law and order."

No thank you, I'm not particularly eager to ask a corrupt trigger-happy and oppressive government to send in their stormtroopers. :/




Bingo.

Quote:

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.



Folks like PN love the stormtroopers when they're after folks less white than him. But he'll scream bloody murder when those very same stormtroopers come knocking on his door.

I'll give a criminal the full benefit of the law and the Constitution because in an age where ethics, morality, and justice are fungible ideas, we may all be deemed "criminals" one day.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.



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THX-1138, the George Lucas Director's Cut... Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:52
CHRISISALL
"Over the years you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE...THE...PEOPLE"



Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I feel it is better.

I personally liked it better, yeah.
Quote:

As for his changes in the edit, those were just to correct changes made by the studio against his wishes when the original was released.


Really? It seemed to me to be purely aesthetic. Maybe I just don't remember the original well enough. I saw it in the theatre in '76 (art house cine), and on tape a few times in the eighties.

Always struck me as the ultra-realistic version of Logan's Run.


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Rank The Dollhouse Episodes Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:56
CHRISISALL
"Over the years you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE...THE...PEOPLE"



Just watched the original pilot. Really good- but not what any network would want. Too stream-of-Active-conscious for them.
I loved it, though. Very trippy.


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Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM! Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 22:58

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You think he shoulda spoken for compromise and I think the President cannot afford to compromise where rights are concerned. His job is not to make sure all factions in this country just get along, his job is to uphold the Constitution. And I agree with him that the Constitution is quite clear on this one.

And I am profoundly offended that people in this country cannot see Islam as a religion like any other. I don't think such people should be given the time of day in this country. They are anti-American, in my view, and must be educated, not placated.

It's the old FOX ploy of saying whatever garbage the right hands us instead of facts, we have to give it equal weight with the actual facts or we're not being "fair and balanced."

Wait, Cav: I agree with all of that, but when did Fox EVER give facts as much weight as what the right hands them, or what they choose to make up to further the right’s agenda? I sure never heard anything...

But hoo, boy, is this one right on the money!
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I think it's a big part of why the Democrats suck. A lot of 'em are just people-pleasers who've risen to power by getting people to like them and now that they actually hold power and can actually pilot the Ship of State where they will, they find that they have no will but the desire to be liked and compromise themselves out of political relevance.
I would tend to say the compromiser is more Obama than the Dems in general, but nonetheless, your description is right on, in my book.

But in my opinion, it’s exactly the opposite. I think people LIKE controversy, drama, and an excuse to argue their side of an issue and make a big deal out of it. The “fear” part comes from them having swallowed whole cloth that it’ll be a breeding ground for terrorism, but I think once they’re fed the right material, they fire up just fine, thank you!
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But it would appear that the Constitution of this country and what it means are in serious need of defense just now.
All hail Cavalier, for hitting it squarely on the nose!

Yeah, Frem, sad to say I believe your right about a certain segment of the population. The idea of Bush being a “good old boy”, what’s-his-name’s being elected seen as partly because he’s got a pickup truck, and the eternal overuse and overgeneralization of the word “elite” pretty much says you’re right. Sadly...

Gee Waffen, here I thought it was the Mexicans who were outbreeding us x to 1...or was it the Blacks? Or some other group you want to denigrate—or does it just change with the given day, the given enemy? So confusing...

Yes, Mohamed is the most common baby name in London, also Copenhagen, Oslo, Amsterdam, and Brussels. But bear in mind that more Muslim parents will name their child Mohammed, whereas most people of other faiths/countries will choose other names. Ergo; given Muslims account for 1/5th of the world’s population, it is logical that Muhammed is the most common name, because:
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One of the main reasons the name Muhammad has become so popular is that Islam, which was founded by the prophet Muhammad, has become the world’s second most popular religion after Christianity. Muslim parents often name a boy Muhammad to show their reverence for the Prophet and Islam and to influence their child in developing good character,
So if you realize that most Muslim parents to name their child Mohammed, and people of other cultures/religions choose a variety of other names, there's no competition. Ego: The fact that it is the most common name in this or that place in no way means there are more Muslim babies born every year or even in those places where it is THE most common...only that Muslim parents more often name their male children that than others do.

It’s also necessary to bear in mind that Muslim refugees, given the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, are probably the most numerous refugees to relocate in the world. Also:
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Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.
So, birth rate aside, how many of those are immigrants, how many converted and how many now “identify” themselves as Muslims?

That is not to say their population isn't growing, but there’s more to it than just “they’re overwhelming us!!”


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