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President Releases Birth Certificate

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:35 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

The president has released his birth certificate.

Birthers comment, "It's not real. We haven't studied it yet, or analyzed it, but it's not real. We'll figure out why later. I'm sure some expert from somewhere will appear to tell us why it's a fake. Him, we'll believe. Rest assured, though, we knew it was fake before it was ever released, and we stand by that position. Otherwise, it would mean we were wrong, and hey, we'll never admit to that."

--Anthony



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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:47 AM

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Hawaii officially has NO RECORD of this alleged "document"
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/white-house-barack-obama-birth-certifica
te-hawaii
/

"Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT a "Birth Certificate".

This "Certificate of Live Birth" was not released by Hawaii.

Any illegal alien can get a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Demorat Governor of Hawaii said NONE of these documents existed in January 2011, neither hospital had any record of "Obama", and he never saw "Obama" in Hawaii until after age 6...

Hussein "Obama" Soetoro renounced his US citizenship to become a citizen of Indonesia, for his Nazi stepdaddy to overthrow that govt for the CIA.

"Obama" Soetoro's missing college transcripts prove he was a foreign exchange student, and he never attended Columbia University, thus he never graduated law school nor became a lawyer. He's the only "editor" of the Harvard Law School to never publish an article in the Law Review.

"Obama" traveled to Pakistan as a member of Al Qaeda, when US citizens were banned from Pakistan.

FAIL.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:55 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I'm sorry, I got confused.

Was he born a U.S. citizen, so that he could renounce his citizenship later?

Or was he born a non-citizen, then became a citizen, then renounced his citizenship?

It's hard to follow.

--Anthony



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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Was he born a U.S. citizen, so that he could renounce his citizenship later?

Or was he born a non-citizen, then became a citizen, then renounced his citizenship?



Excellent questions.

No doctor is listed on the non-birth certificate.


"Obama's" first computerized "Certification of Live Birth" has no # and no seal

"Obama's" second computerized "Certification of Live Birth" has # and seal, but not released by Obama nor by Hawaii:


"Obama's" third computerized "Certification of Live Birth" is a different color, but not released by Obama nor by Hawaii:


"Obama's" 4th computerized "Certification of Live Birth" is a different color, but not released by Obama nor by Hawaii:


This is what an actual "Certificate of Live Birth" looks like in Hawaii:



OBAMA TODAY: NO EMBOSSED SEAL = NOT VALID IN ANY COURT OF LAW

Newer version:


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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Good for Obama!

This crusade by Trump questioning the legitimacy of Obama has been more classless and distasteful to me than even when many Dems were calling Bush a liar and stupid. I'm no fan of Obama, not the man or his policies, but I do respect the Office. I also respect the historical significance of his election.









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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:53 AM

HARDWARE


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Good for Obama!

This crusade by Trump questioning the legitimacy of Obama has been more classless and distasteful to me than even when many Dems were calling Bush a liar and stupid. I can't stand Obama, not the man or his policies, but I do respect the Office. I also respect the historical significance of his election.


Right. Because it isn't the responsibility of the candidate to present evidence that he is eligible to hold office. It's alright. Katie Couric said so.

This looks like a photocopy of the original Hawaiian record from the bound book. Note how the left hand side is curved back as if held in a binding.

This would have ended the controversy, had they released it 4 years ago. Now it is just an indication of how 0bama has lost control of the media that once adored and fawned over him. There is still a flat earth society, so the lunatic fringe will keep questioning his eligibility. As our own nutter, PN, has already done.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Yanno, I'm just a working stiff with bills to pay. I kind of rely on the Federal Elections Committee to handle things like making sure a candidate is qualified to be President. I don't have this Woodward-Bernstein attitude that everything is a cover up and a lie, and I have a duty to question every damn thing in the world. Trump's vile discourse has taken everything even further into the gutter than it already was. I mean the man shows not one iota of respect for the POTUS, or the Office of the President. He dragged his pathetic Charlie Sheenesque rantings around tv and cable for weeks, only further proving to the vast majority of Americans what an egomaniacal jerk he really is.








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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:07 AM

AURAPTOR

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Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:24 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

I agree, there was no point in producing it, ever.

But, see, the amazing government machine that was able to get drone planes, smuggled explosives, and disappeared passengers for the 9/11 attacks was unable to forge a birth certificate in less than 3 years.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


'Cause there was no reason to. Not until billionairre loudmouth idiot Trump, with media access galore, started his insane rantings did anyone above the stature of PN give any credence to this nonsense. Now the John Kerry supporter Trump is bragging about this great accomplishment? What a joke!








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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:30 AM

HARDWARE


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Yanno, I'm just a working stiff with bills to pay. I kind of rely on the Federal Elections Committee to handle things like making sure a candidate is qualified to be President. I don't have this Woodward-Bernstein attitude that everything is a cover up and a lie, and I have a duty to question every damn thing in the world. Trump's vile discourse has taken everything even further into the gutter than it already was. I mean the man shows not one iota of respect for the POTUS, or the Office of the President. He dragged his pathetic Charlie Sheenesque rantings around tv and cable for weeks, only further proving to the vast majority of Americans what an egomaniacal jerk he really is.


The federal elections committee should be the ones to certify candidates. But the records should be made immediately public. We DO have a right to know about the candidates for public office.

The office of the president is deserving of no respect from the public, beyond common courtesy. Trump may have violated that, but cracking down on free speech always has an unintended consequence.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?



Why does Obama keep arresting PhDs who try to get copies of his birth certificates?

Note that Obama was officially born on 25 April 2011:


NO EMBOSSED SEAL = NOT VALID IN ANY COURT OF LAW
This is NOT a "Certificate of live birth" from 1961, but 25 April 2011

Demorats started the Birther issue...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-
row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html







http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Birthers comment, "It's not real. We haven't studied it yet, or analyzed it, but it's not real. We'll figure out why later. I'm sure some expert from somewhere will appear to tell us why it's a fake. Him, we'll believe. Rest assured, though, we knew it was fake before it was ever released, and we stand by that position. Otherwise, it would mean we were wrong, and hey, we'll never admit to that."

--Anthony




Yep.

Though they won't be nearly so well spoken in their defense.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:05 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Also his Mother appears to be a man called Stanley, how did that one slip through the net?


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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:15 AM

BYTEMITE


...Okay, I don't believe the birther movement, but I give credit where it's due. That handwritten birth certificate is pretty funny.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:18 AM

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Letter from "Obama's" lawyer on 21 April 2011, asking for a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Certification of Live Birth", SINCE "OBAMA" NEVER HAD A COPY, with letter from Hawaii Govt saying THE GOVT HAS TO BREAK THE LAW TO RELEASE THIS BRAND NEW COMPUTER DOCUMENT:

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/04/27/birth_certificate_cor
respondence_5da9a1a825978db6b52f335642604a2e.pdf


Obama "Certificate of Live Birth" #4 PROVES THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT IS A PHOTOSHOP FORGERY BY HAWAII GOVT:


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/27/birth-certificate-long-
form.pdf


Something doesn’t feel right about this. The registrars signature, U K L Lee (ukulele=something played)? After listening to the interviews with Wayne Madsen I have a hard time believing Obama was born here. That and all the missing and closed records. So little is really known about this man.

Well, this is all very sweet, and very handy, but it does not answer the question everyone is asking; Why now?

1st of all, they didn’t list race as “african” in 1961….only “Negro” ! And you can plainly see this is a copy (see left side of page, curls away)

Capital “K’s” and “H’s” and spacing on letters DO NOT MATCH. Different type on names than addresses and city and state. Names are LARGER than rest of type.

I say we pull the certificates with numbers before and after his to compare (type print, etc)
Love the tweet from Trump , ” He may be a hologram” !! lol

Last tally I heard said that Barack II had spent 1.6 million dollars preventing Phil Berg’s challenges from reaching open court. Why would he spend this sort of money when all he had to do was release this document. If B.H.O. II wanted to put this issue to rest the way he says, in order to deal with more important matters, the time to do it has long since passed him by.

Add to this the talk that Wayne Madsen is leaving the country because he has been targeted for death by the White House, Wayne’s upcoming release of his new book which is supposed to reveal B.H.O. I and II’s involvement as CIA operatives, and the fact that neither Indonesia nor the U.S. allows dual citizenship therefore B.H.O. II’s travel in the past on an Indonesian passport must mean that he at one point or another denounced his U.S. citizenship.

Now it is possible that his Indonesian passport was something he received as cover for a CIA operation in his past, or this B.C. could be one that the CIA made up for him very recently.
Waving a B.C. at us would have answered all the questions a long time ago, but too much has been revealed about this man through his refusal to do so up till now for this to satisfy us now.
This is stage-craft pure and simple, with Donald Trump looking like a willing participant. We have been “handled” once again!

Something else is going on and doesn’t feel right. Why all of a sudden did this finally explode? Why did Trump latch onto it? Why did the neocons and other media allow it to be heard finally after 3 years?

I was thinking that it was being allowed, as a way to cement their control and black-mail over BHO, but now I’m thinking that it is just so explosive that it can’t be contained further. The neocon circle-jerkers are muddying the waters on the issue by talking about being a citizen. Savage said that they will produce a forgery and make everyone look stupid.

It is about NATURAL Born Citizen, and needs to be looked at in a larger context, ala Natural Law and DOIndep. The DOI was to break away from the monarchy. Anyone born in a British colony was a subject of the crown (ala Kenya). This was the whole beef, the King riding rough-shod on his subjects. Natural born breaks from this, by requiring that your Father must be free of this subjectation. Through Natural Law, it is a man’s world (all Men are created equal), the tribe leader if you will, which is why women didn’t have the right to vote and needed an amendement to correct this.

It is not enough to have your mother as a US citizen. Hell why not have a Hu-Jin-Tao or Ahmadenijad have sons thru US women and make them the President? Duh, they have foreign allegiances, as did Obama Sr.

IMO the soil doesn’t matter, it is of the Father and the birth-right to lead the nation, so the BC doesn’t matter. Plus the whole Indonesia naturalization deal is another huge issue.

I agree with Wayne M. that the CIA assett issue is larger, b/c it shows the real rogue network power. But the Constitution must be held to, and it is likely Treasonous what has happened. Also, there are hundreds of others who helped facilitate this mess who should be tried as well. It is an opportunity to clean-up this whole broken political and media system and restore the Republic.

Whether he was born in Hawaii or not is inconsequential. The established case law on natural citizenship is the 1898 Supreme Court case Wong Kim Ark v. United States. The Supreme Court established four criteria for naturalized citizenship to those born here. Obama fails two of them.

First, his father was an official of a foreign government while attending school here in America. That disqualifies his offspring from receiving naturalized citizenship.

Second, the Obama’s did not establish a permanent residence here after his birth. He lived in temporary student housing then moved out of the country shortly thereafter. Another FAIL.

I believe this is all contrived to create chaos in the run up to 2012. Though 2012 represent an opportunity for greater energy and consciousness for humanity, the elite are going to try to turn it to their advantage by creating disharmony.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:27 AM

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*snickering*

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

I agree, there was no point in producing it, ever.

But, see, the amazing government machine that was able to get drone planes, smuggled explosives, and disappeared passengers for the 9/11 attacks was unable to forge a birth certificate in less than 3 years.

--Anthony




AND this is the same govt which wants to run our healthcare.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Trump has a hospital Certificate of Birth, "Obama" does NOT


Trump's govt-issued Certificate of Birth, "Obama" never had one until this week

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/03/donald-trump-releases-officia
l-birth-certificate.html



Donald Trump learned the hard way this week that if you're going to call on the president to release his official birth certificate, you'd better do the same.

Trump, who has been putting pressure on President Obama lately to make public his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, decided to set a good example and release his own on Monday. The only problem was, the document that Trump provided to the conservative Website Newsmax wasn't his actual birth certificate, but rather a "hospital certificate of birth."

On Tuesday, Trump, who is contemplating a presidential run in 2012, sought to correct the oversight, providing a copy of his official birth certificate issued by the New York City Department of Health to ABC News.

It shows that "Donald John Trump" was born June 14, 1946 in Jamaica Hospital in Queens. It lists his father as Fred C. Trump and his mother as Mary Mac Leod. The date of the report is listed as June 14, 1946.

The image came with an accompanying memo from a member of Trump's staff.

"A 'birth certificate' and a 'certificate of live birth' are in no way the same thing, even though in some cases they use some of the same words," wrote Trump staffer Thuy Colayco in a message to ABC News. "One officially confirms and records a newborn child’s identity and details of his or her birth, while the other only confirms that someone reported the birth of a child. Also, a 'certificate of live birth' is very easy to get because the standards are much lower, while a 'birth certificate' is only gotten through a long and detailed process wherein identity must be proved beyond any doubt. If you had only a certificate of live birth, you would not be able to get a proper passport from the Post Office or a driver’s license from the Department of Motor Vehicles. Therefore, there is very significant difference between a 'certificate of live birth' and a 'birth certificate' and one should never be confused with the other."

Trump has been turning up the volume on his calls for Obama, who has been the target of allegations that he was not born in the United States by so-called "birthers," to release his official birth certificate.

"This guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't," Trump said in an interview on Fox News on Monday. "I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying please don't give up on this issue."

The Obama campaign released a "certification of live birth," which is a shorter document that carries the same legal weight as the long one, in 2008.

Trump has brought up the issue again and again. In a recent interview with ABC's The View, he said that Obama has "a terrible pale that's hanging over with him" because of his refusal to release the document.


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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:01 AM

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http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg




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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:24 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


This is, what, the fifth or sixth time?



Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Birthers comment, "It's not real. We haven't studied it yet, or analyzed it, but it's not real. We'll figure out why later. I'm sure some expert from somewhere will appear to tell us why it's a fake. Him, we'll believe. Rest assured, though, we knew it was fake before it was ever released, and we stand by that position. Otherwise, it would mean we were wrong, and hey, we'll never admit to that."


*chortle*


Facts are stubborn things.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:30 AM

BYTEMITE


...The point about it being a copy is a far more valid issue than the type set (which is not different sizes or different Ks and Hs), or about citzenship versus dual citizenship, with the Supreme Court recognizing dual citizenship in 1952. It also has nothing to do with your father being a US Citizen or not, it has to do with being born on US continental soil or the outlying states (but not the territories).

If you want to complain, complain about the Child Citizen Act of 2000, which would make Obama retroactively a citizen even if he wasn't before if even just one of his parents was American. You could even talk about how suspicious it is that they'd pass that eight years before a President who's nationality is under question could be elected, and I won't even blink. But this movement could really use some focus.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:47 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
'Cause there was no reason to. Not until billionairre loudmouth idiot Trump, with media access galore, started his insane rantings did anyone above the stature of PN give any credence to this nonsense. Now the John Kerry supporter Trump is bragging about this great accomplishment? What a joke!


I think Trump played this perfectly.

His argument was simple: 'I'm a smart guy, I know a lot of other smart guys and these people have doubts and the President can't take two seconds to clear this all up. Instead he and his minions just call the 'birthers' nuts...these are people and they have questions that are easily answered yet no answers are forthcoming and that makes me wonder.'

Obama saw that the public sentiment was shifting on this issue. It was simply, Trump is a smart guy asking a simple question that the President (up till today) was unable or unwilling to answer. It was becoming a serious issue and the President was feeling some real pressure and we all know he is very poor under pressure.

God help them if this document is fake, its not the first time these folks have made up a questionable document. I just hope that if this was printed up somewhere...they used the right font this time.

H

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:40 PM

PIRATENEWS

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When born in Kenya you don't salute a foreign flag.


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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh for ^&&%^$#$ sake, has the level of political discourse in the US really sunk this &@#$%$% low!!!!!

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:01 PM

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Quote:

One more thing that slightly nullifies this "birth certificate"...Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, the name of the hospital on the form, did not exist until 1978. Just google the hospital name and check the history on it. It wasn't named Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, before that time is was called Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. Wrong: both parents must be American Citizens. This prevents Manchurian Candidates from becoming president. OOPS. Maybe he is the Manchurian Candidate. Who paid for his education, I mean his diplomas. Ladies and Gentlemen: Please refer to the Constitution of the United States of America. It requires a person to be "natural born" not just "naturalized" For those of you who are condemning me, look it up. I believe that you are incorrect. Obama needs to be a natural born citizen. He does not meet the legal requirements to be president. Besides, everything going on smells of fraud. He spent millions of dollars to prevent the release of his birth certificate. Follow the money. It has been common knowledge that Barack's mom and dad were never married. Why then did she sign this document with the last name "Obama"? Maybe whichever CIA team put this thing together for Oilbama can explain the questions or get the answer over to his teleprompter so we can hear right from the horse's A$$. I mean, mouth. haha

www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-
098513



Democrat Trump: Obama "Birth Certificate" Raises As Many Questions As It Answers

At the center of the storm is the argument about whether the fact that Obama’s father was born in Kenya, which is confirmed on the document released by the White House today, makes Obama ineligible to become president because he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

“Some of the cases challenging Obama have explained that he was a dual citizen through his father at his birth, and they contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born citizens,” reports WND, meaning that the document released by the White House today could even lead to proving Obama’s ineligibility.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-many-questio
ns-as-it-answers
/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certifi
cate-long-form.pdf


http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate
-correspondence.pdf

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:40 PM

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I note for the record that President Obama showed his birth certificate to the American people far sooner than any other President in American history. I can't think of another U.S. President in history who has done this. Or been asked to.

Also, I haven't seen the birth certificate of any of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates. This obviously means that none of them are eligible to run. I'm sure the birthers here will completely agree with me on this.

Right?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
'Cause there was no reason to. Not until billionairre loudmouth idiot Trump, with media access galore, started his insane rantings did anyone above the stature of PN give any credence to this nonsense. Now the John Kerry supporter Trump is bragging about this great accomplishment? What a joke!


I think Trump played this perfectly.

His argument was simple: 'I'm a smart guy, I know a lot of other smart guys and these people have doubts and the President can't take two seconds to clear this all up. Instead he and his minions just call the 'birthers' nuts...these are people and they have questions that are easily answered yet no answers are forthcoming and that makes me wonder.'

Obama saw that the public sentiment was shifting on this issue. It was simply, Trump is a smart guy asking a simple question that the President (up till today) was unable or unwilling to answer. It was becoming a serious issue and the President was feeling some real pressure and we all know he is very poor under pressure.

God help them if this document is fake, its not the first time these folks have made up a questionable document. I just hope that if this was printed up somewhere...they used the right font this time.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.




When you say "these folks" and talk about fake documents, you're no doubt referring to the alphabet goons and the "smoking gun" documents that were a "slam dunk" in the case against Saddam Hussein, right? Cuz those guys really did suck at forging documents. ('Course, that didn't stop y'all from buying into that fraud, did it?)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:08 PM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


I tell you guys, this has got to be the silliest piece of political maschination that your country has ever come up with. I think you will find the rest of the civilised world is laughing heartily at you!!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!








"If I have to cross a line to blow that bitch out of the sky, I will."
-FBI Agent Erica Evans, V

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


69% of the USA thinks that 31% are idiots.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Well at least there is a majority behind sanity

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:10 PM

DMAANLILEILTT


Did you see Angry Anderson at that climate rally? I don't it's much better here.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:40 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'd doubt that we'd have as little as 31% being idiots.


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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:23 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I can't think of another U.S. President in history who has done this. Or been asked to.

Also, I haven't seen the birth certificate of any of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates. This obviously means that none of them are eligible to run. I'm sure the birthers here will completely agree with me on this.



Wrong. Trump released his and most everybody else did too either quietly or are planning to like during the first debate.

As for other Presidents, most include the info as part of their medical records or come from states that consider the document public records and make them available to everyone.

As for the issue. It was raised for McCain because he was not born in the US. Also Chester A Arthur and a couple others.


H

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I can't think of another U.S. President in history who has done this. Or been asked to.

Also, I haven't seen the birth certificate of any of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates. This obviously means that none of them are eligible to run. I'm sure the birthers here will completely agree with me on this.



Wrong. Trump released his and most everybody else did too either quietly or are planning to like during the first debate.



Trump isn't a candidate. Reading comprehension eludes you once again. Go back and re-read. None of the current crop have held press conferences to release their birth certificates. No U.S. President has ever been asked to do so, except for the one who's black.

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As for other Presidents, most include the info as part of their medical records or come from states that consider the document public records and make them available to everyone.



As did Obama. It just wasn't the exact one that you birthers wanted.

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As for the issue. It was raised for McCain because he was not born in the US. Also Chester A Arthur and a couple others.



McCain never produced his birth certificate. Also, he was never President. Note that I said no other PRESIDENT in U.S. history has done this, or been asked to. And no Republican candidate has done it in a public way in a press conference. What are they hiding? ;)



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Wasn't just nutjob birthers who had questions about Obama....




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
69% of the USA thinks that 31% are idiots.



Is that the CNN poll -- the same CNN owned by a manic-depressive nutjob who wants to genocide 95% of the human race, with the rest turned into cannibals?

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"There is some evidence the birthplace criticism has had an effect. In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll this week, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.
htm

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-rel
eases-birth-records/1


Shock poll: Only 38% believe Obama's birth story
USA Today/Gallup says 1 in 4 Americans suspect overseas nativity
www.wnd.com/?pageId=291641#ixzz1KpMiyYKV

"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid. A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, bi-polar founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261



Mainly Democrats say "Obama" is an illegal alien. They know "Obama" has successfully destroyed the Democratic Party, if they fail to arrest him for fraud on his birth certificates, college and passport records.

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"The real estate mogul and "Celebrity Apprentice" host has made more than $1.3 million in donations over the years to candidates nationwide, with 54 percent of the money going to Democrats, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal disclosure records."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/27/politics/washingtonpost/main
20057806.shtml



Democrat Prosecutor Phil Berg vs Hussein Obama soetoro, US Supreme Court said illegal aliens can be US presidents without having to show their birth certificates, and no US citizen has "standing" to stop them.

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Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama on August 21, 2008 challenging Obama’s lack of “Constitutionally Eligibility” to serve as President of the United States stated that Obama’s sister, Maya, was treated lightly last night, April 12th on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight show as she was not asked why on two [2] different interviews she stated that her brother, Barack or rather Barry, was born in two [2] different hospitals in Hawaii.

Berg said, “Apparently, Piers Morgan, has joined the so called ‘Free Press’ and media by avoiding the hard facts regarding where Obama was born. It is a shame that Piers Morgan did not live up to his reputation of being a tough interviewer.

Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-NG was interviewed by Bennett Guira of Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3 in November 2004. In this article, entitled “A New Face in Politics”, it is stated in the first paragraph “Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.” [emphasis added] However, Maya Soetoro-Ng was interviewed again by Laurie Au with the Start Bulletin in February 2008 under the headline “Obama backers stress importance of caucuses”. In the Star Bulletin interview, Maya Soetoro-Ng stated:

“This is a place that’s been relatively unchanged for him, and so much of who he is was born here,” Soetoro-Ng told a crowd of about 200 people eating “OBAMAsadas.”

“He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, two blocks up from where our grandmother still resides … the place where he used to stick orange peels under his bed, where it got all dried out and … nasty.” [emphasis added]

Berg said, “Piers asked soft questions of Maya regarding where her brother was born and completely failed to address and/or question the contradicting statements by Obama’s sister.”

Berg continued, “I am so proud of Donald Trump as he has raised the issue of Obama’s birth even hoping that Obama will prove he was born in Hawaii. However, Trump has stated that the more he looks into the issue, the more he believes that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Therefore, a perfect time Tuesday night for Piers to ask the tough question that he failed to do. I am sure that many people tuned in to Piers last night to see Piers ask Maya the question that has haunted her since 2008. Piers failed !”

Berg said, “I believe Piers did not want to be involved in the “Birther” issue, but many people tuned in to see the rare interview of Maya. Piers gave Maya and Obama a break they did not deserve.

I will continue my efforts to expose Soetoro/Obama for the fraud, phony and imposter he is and this is the biggest ‘HOAX’ against ‘our’ country in ‘our’ history; over 234 years.”

Berg said, “Obama’s ‘LEGAL NAME’ is Barry Soetoro, his name when he was adopted or acknowledged by his Step-Father, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. Obama refers to his Step-Father, Lolo Soetoro, in one of his books. Also, on our web site, www.obamacrimes.com, we have detailed all of the facts that substantiate ‘Soetoro/Obama is a fraud, a phony, an imposter and this is the biggest ‘HOAX’ against ‘our’ country in ‘our’ history. We have a copy of his school record in Indonesia where his name is Barry Soetoro !

Yes, one can use a fictitious name, but not for fraudulent purposes. And by being a candidate for President, the use of Barrack Hussein Obama is fraud.

There is no evidence that we have uncovered, nor has Soetoro/Obama put forth, that he legally changed his name after returning to the United States from Indonesia at age ten [10].”

Berg continued, “It is time for our so called ‘Free Press’ to do what they used to do and that is vet candidates and in this case, Soetoro/Obama.

We are in a Constitutional crisis and it will only get worse.

Soetoro/Obama is not ‘Constitutionally Eligible’ to be President and therefore, everything he has done, all appointments and all signings are voidable.

www.obamacrimes.com



Berg is the ex-prosecutor who filed the RICO class action on behalf of families of 9/11 accusing George W Bush and Dick Cheney of perping the 9/11 terror massacres.
http://www.archive.org/details/snowshoefilms_EllenMariani_MarianivsGWB
ush

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=philip+berg+ellen+marian
i&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq
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Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:50 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Honestly I think it was pretty slick - let the bloody fools talk themselves right down the garden path, let em get in good and deep... and then, viola, hand it off without pomp or fanfare and watch them go so apeshit they further destroy their own cause by showing how stupid and insane they are.

It's said you should never interrupt an opponent while they're busy committing political suicide, but in this case, it's more like handing them the loaded pistol to do it with.

Remember what I always say: the cruelest, most heinous thing you can do to someone is find out what they really want, discover their very hearts desire, and then.. GIVE IT TO THEM, GIVE IT TO EM GOOD AND HARD!


Res Ipsa Loquitur!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:12 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by piratenews:




My god that's an ugly baby.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-p
roving-hes-no,20250
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Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:58 AM

ROCKETJOCK


The question keeps getting repeated, “Why did it take three years for Obama to produce this?”

1. Because he didn’t have to in the first place. Obama was (like every presidential candidate) thoroughly vetted by the FBI, CIA, & Secret Service before his name ever went on a ballot. That supersedes any need for the candidate to produce redundant documentation independently.

2. Despite this, in an attempt to quell the rumor/slander mill, Obama did post a copy of the only version of the form normally available to a private citizen (President or not). A form verified by the State of Hawaii, and, under normal circumstances, considered perfectly sufficient for all legal needs.

3. When the controversy still refused to die down, Obama finally asked the Hawaiian authorities to grant a special dispensation so that the long-form original could be posted in a public venue. Only to be met with continued denial, conspiracy paranoia (*cough*PirateNews*cough*), and the same tired arguments the short form should have quelled in the first place.

Now here’s the question nobody’s asking: Why would his parents bother to make the trip? Why would two dirt-poor students spend money they didn’t have to fly a nine-months gone expectant mother to Kenya for the birth, just to turn around and somehow initiate a massive cover-up so that their interracial baby could be eligible for the presidency 40+ years down the line? If the motive for the alleged trip wasn't to have the child officially born in Kenya, then why bother? Wouldn’t it have been easier and cheaper just to stay home and have him born on American soil?

Not that that would satisfy the birthers. Hell, you could show them photographic evidence of the delivery witnessed by John F. Kennedy, and they’d still ask “Well, why isn’t it counter-signed by The Pope?”

I say its spinach, and I say the Hell with it.


"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah, Anthony. As you can see, we have one of them right here, a die-hard, “My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts”, conspiracy-theorist birther. Ain’t it great? Anyone with half a brain would KNOW immediately that no serious birther will ever be convinced by ANYTHING---Jesus Christ coming down out of the clouds to say “Obama was born an American” would have them screaming “CGI!” “It’s a trick!!”

Which is part of why, for me, releasing it---particularly at this time---was sheer stupidity. It gave Trump the chance to claim credit and say how proud he is of himself, which he did over and over and OVER (thank gawd for the remote, I only saw it once, and maybe not the whole way through). The other part is that it IS stupid, given the above paragraph. I’m not sure what he thought it would accomplish, except maybe to convince those who weren’t “sure”...or something. It’s nothing but a distraction, and how good a one is proven by the fact that, whatever news station I tried to watch yesterday, it was the main topic. I ended up back on reruns of Law and Order...sigh...watching ANY of them made me want to hurl (or hurl something at the TV...or both).

JS, I agree. Unfortunately, I think Bush WAS a liar, and I do question his intelligence from some of his actions. There’s a difference. Bush can be proven to have lied; his intelligence is something one can only debate. But I, too, would have liked such things to have been said AFTER he was out of office, and found a lot of the diatribe (by PEOPLE, not by politicians...and this stuff is said by politicians and legislators!) offensive. I have never, in all my years, heard the kinds of things said about a President as I hear almost DAILY now. It sickens me, and to me is an indication of how some people feel free to say any filthy thing about the current President because he’s “other”, he’s different enough that it seems okay to them. It shouldn’t.

JS, your post containing
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I don't have this Woodward-Bernstein attitude that everything is a cover up and a lie, and I have a duty to question every damn thing in the world.
(with which I agree) was beautiful an said it all. I say again, however, that where this particular Prez is concerned, some people feel free to say whatever foul thing they want...and I don’t mean “people” as in regular citizens, there has ALWAYS been some who disrespect anyone and say horrible things, but THIS has been a case of politicians and legislators, governors and others in power, saying things I’ve never heard before...and saying them frequently and publicly.

Why did it take 3 years to produce it? Because it never should have been an issue in the first place! Because he DID provide what is considered the LEGAL birth certificate in Hawaii. The one he’s produced now has LESS legality in Hawaii than the one he first provided. Also because, until now at least, he and those around him were smart enough to know that producing ANYHING would make no difference, it’s a non-issue and never should have been addressed, period.

I note Palin and others have talked about the “$2 million” he spent “trying to hide it”. That’s a flat-out lie, too. That was the amount of the legal fees for the election; McCain has $1.5 million to pay for HIS legal fees; neither as anything to do with birth certificates. But it’s a damned convenient lie, isn’t it? And nobody on the right has clarified it, have they? Ditto the birth certificate.

JS, I agree:
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The office of the president is deserving of no respect from the public, beyond common courtesy.
”The public”. I believe it’s different from those working under the President and those in government, whatever their disagreements may be. Bad-mouthing by legislators is stupid and only makes ALL of us look stupid, as they’re supposed to “represent” us. I’m not in favor of cracking down on free speech, but I think stupid speech should be highlighted as stupid speech, not grabbed by those on the same side to play with by not denouncing and utilizing as a way to pander to crazies for votes.

PN, don’t be stupid---or more stupid than usual, I should say. I actually never thought even YOU were quite that stupid. The date of birth is quite clear; that the COPY WAS MADE in 2011 is also very clear. I know you won’t accept it, but for others: The originals of birth certificates are kept in the vault in Hawaii. All they will release is a copy, which of course gives PN and his fellow wing nuts all the excuse they need to say ”See? It’s not real!”

And yes; as I said, what he produced ORIGINALLY is what is valid in a court of law, and it has a seal and everything...ON THE BACK. It’s been shown---ach, like that would make any difference to you. And yes, you ARE right in that Clinton raised the issue first. But note, the issue of McCain’s citizenship legitimacy never came up again, once it was dealt with. Unfortunately, you and your fellow wing nuts are so desperate to de-legitimize this President that you lost the ability to think straight and will never believe the truth.

Byte:: The handwritten one isn’t nearly as funny as all the fakes supplied by Taitz and her buddies. They’re HYSTERICAL, especially ‘cuz they’re supposed to be taken seriously!

Uh, Raptor, I guess you missed it, but Anthony was SNARKING (you know, joking?) when he wrote “unable to forge a birth certificate in less than 3 years”. Just so’s you know.

Oh, and when will Trump release his financials? He said as soon as the Prez provides a birth certificate, he would provide his birth certificate AND financials. Not holding my breath...

Wulf: “Video not available.” Made me look, tho’.

No, Hero, I don’t think that’s why Obama addressed this non-issue now. I think it’s because they refuse to shut up about it and have managed to brainwash so many people into wondering, and he just wants it DEALT WITH, so we can get on to what’s really important.
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Oh for ^&&%^$#$ sake, has the level of political discourse in the US really sunk this &@#$%$% low!!!!!
Yes, Magons, sadly it has, as you can see. As an American, it’s damned embarrassing.
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its not the first time these folks have made up a questionable document
You mean the birthers, of course. They’ve come up with numerous “birth certificates”, and they are jim dandy ones!

PK
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I tell you guys, this has got to be the silliest piece of political maschination that your country has ever come up with. I think you will find the rest of the civilised world is laughing heartily at you!!!!!
Hon, they’ve been laughing at us for years now, why should this be any different? We have become truly a joke, in my opinion, in many ways---and mostly because of the words and actions of our authority figures, who have been behaving more like infants than I’ve ever seen before. On behalf of intelligent Americans, I apologize. We already apologized for Bush, I think it’s time for another “I’m sorry” website for all the assininity that has gone on in this country recently.
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69% of the USA thinks that 31% are idiots
Most excellent, tho’ lately I’ve begun to wonder if it’s not the reverse...
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most everybody else did too either quietly or are planning to like during the first debate.
ONLY because of the birthers and this idiocy. Were it not for that, nobody would think a thing about it.
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No U.S. President has ever been asked to do so, except for the one who's black.
There’s the crux of it (and I know what the response will be, which doesn’t make it not true.

Frem, I think you’re wrong. You see, it doesn’t mean jack SHIT to them that he’s produced it...they can’t be shown to be more stupid and insane by being proven wrong; they won’t accept it, and their stupidity and insanity has already been shown quite clearly by the entire issue!

Rocketjock: Excellent! And you’re absolutely right (except I think my Christ coming down out of the clouds is better visually As far as I’m concerned, you’ve quite succinctly explained the non-issue and it should have no more interest to anyone (except birther nut wings, of course).

Scrolling past PN's bullshit just saved me a good 5-10 minutes of my life. I think I'll get a disch of ice cream to celebrate!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:52 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It's impossible for any baby in Hawaii to have both a "short form" and "long form" Certificate of Live Birth, so one must be fake. Dohbama!

Trump To Obama: Now Release Your College Records
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/27/trump_to_obama_now_r
elease_your_college_records.html


Quote:

New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery

Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.

Check out the document released by WhiteHouse.gov for yourself.



Upon first inspection, the document appears to be a photocopy taken from state records and printed on official green paper. However, when the government released PDF is taken into the image editing program Adobe Illustrator, we discover a number of separate elements that reveal the document is not a single scan on paper, as one might surmise. Elements are placed in layers or editing boxes over the scan and green textured paper, which is to say the least unusual.

When sections of the document are enlarged significantly, we discover glaring inconsistencies. For instance, it appears the date stamped on the document has been altered. Moreover, the document contains text, numbers, and lines with suspicious white borders indicating these items were pasted from the original scan and dropped over a background image of green paper.

Let’s assume the state of Hawaii scanned the original document and placed it on the green textured background. This does not explain the broken out or separate elements. There is no logical reason for this to be done unless the government planned to modify the document and make it appear to be something other than it is.

There are two elements of interest, as shown in the image to the above – both entries for the date accepted by the local registry. This appears to have been modified in an image editing program.

The media was quick to dispel the fact the document was modified. “Our analysis of the latest controversy: The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form, and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable,” writesJoe Brooks for Wireupdate.

Nathan Goulding, writing for the National Review, tells us anybody can open the White House released PDF in Illustrator and it will break out into layers. “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home,” he writes.

Indeed, but this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue.

These layers are also revealed by the White House issued PDF’s hex file in freeware hex editor. Within its code are listed 8 image masks, which if changed from value “true” to “false” turn off and on to reveal the layers as demonstrated in the video and in Illustrator. Whether these represent compression artifacts or other digitizing processes, or whether these masks represent deliberate manipulation remains to be conclusively shown.

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<< /Length 17 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 123 /Height 228 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >> << /Length 13 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 199 /Height 778 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>
<< /Length 19 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 47 /Height 216 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>

<< /Length 15 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 42 /Height 274 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>

<< /Length 10 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 1454 /Height 1819
/ImageMask true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>

<< /Length 25 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 132 /Height 142 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>

<< /Length 23 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 243 /Height 217 /ImageMask
true /BitsPerComponent 1 /Filter /FlateDecode >>

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As Market-Ticker.org points out, it may prove to be significant that two of the boxes appear over both of the “date accepted” boxes, as well as the “Mother’s occupation box.” Was there a need to tamper with the dates on the document or other areas? The recent stamp date and issuing signature of the state registrar also contain an edited layer.

Questions have also been raised about the number at the top of the document issued by the Department of Health, number 61 10641, as one part of the number is in a separate layer when viewed in Illustrator, as demonstrated in the video above. This may prove to be significant. A long form birth certificate obtained by the Honolulu Star in 2009 from a female born one day after Obama and whose form was accepted three days after Obama’s document contains a Dept. of Health number that is lower, 61 10637. There are other subtle differences, such as the use of “Aug.” for the date rather than “August,” and the use of “Honolulu, Oahu” rather than “Honolulu, Hawaii” (seen also in the 1962 certificate below) which may or may not be significant.

More to the point, this certificate and others, like the one posted below it, have visible seals. No issuing seal can be seen on the document released today by Obama.
Negative of long form birth certificate for Aug. 5, 1961 birth in Honolulu, released in 1966 with seal and dated signatures.Published by Honolulu Star and World Net Daily in 2009.





Infowars will continue to analyze this issue as more information comes in. It is significant that the Obama Administration was pressured into responding to this controversy, whatever the final analysis of this document. However, the administration still needs to release his other records which have been sealed at great expense. Is there an issue with his being naturalized in Indonesia? Why are his college records at Columbia and Occidental sealed, and what do they contain? Did Obama travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport? These questions and many others have not been properly answered.

http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

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20 Conspiracy Theories That Have Already Sprung Up Around President Obama’s Birth Certificate
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Digital Artifacts Prove Obama Birth Certificate Altered

As we originally noted and has been mentioned by a number of electronic image experts, one of the most glaring details demonstrating Obama’s purported birth certificate is a fraud is the presence of digital artifacts.

Digital images often contain unwanted information known as artifacts. In the blow up below of Obama’s supposed birth certificate, we can see digital artifacts as areas of white outlining text and graphical elements on the page. I brought a capture of the original PDF into Photoshop and enlarged it and increased the contrast in order to show the artifacts.

Artifacts are created as the result of lossy compression techniques. So-called “lossy” compression is a data encoding method which compresses data by discarding or losing some of it in order to reduce image file size.

Alternately, the white areas may be the result of a sloppy effort to eliminate a white background on the scanned image of the certificate and drop it over the green textured background. In Photoshop and similar image editing programs, it is possible to select areas based on color or contrast and eliminate those areas and make them transparent so a background image shows through. The process is far from perfect, especially when attempted by an inexperienced Photoshop user. It can leave behind telltale artifacts or jagged areas of original pixels, in this case white pixels from the original background.

As a long time user of Photoshop and Illustrator, I believe the second explanation is the likely reason there are white areas around the text and lines. It is a sloppy effort to eliminate a background.

As previously noted, the document is problematic in other ways. There are obvious text font inconsistencies, most notably in regard to the date in the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” field near the bottom of the document. The number “1” in the year “1961” is darker than the rest of the date.

The letter “e” at the end of “none” in the “Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy” is also darker and slightly slanted, which is different than the same letter elsewhere in the document, indicating it was either added later with a typewriter of computer. This letter is included in one of the layers when the PDF is imported into Adobe Illustrator.

The date and state registrar stamps at the bottom of the document also break out in separate layers, indicating they were likely added and are not part of an original document as one would expect of an official document.

Other oddities add to the mystery of the document, including “X” marks above the “Twin” and “Triplet” in “This Birth” box. As far as we know, Obama is not a twin or triplet.

Finally, the document does not contain an official imprint seal, as we see on other certificate of live birth documents (see the example from an article we posted yesterday).

Although intended to be sarcastic commentary on the “birthers,” BuzzFeed has a list of most of the document’s anomalies.

Now that we have established that the document is an obvious forgery, we should ask why Obama’s people would release as definitive proof of his citizenship such an easily debunked fraud.

Is it possible Obama’s people are so incompetent and lazy as to release a document that was torn apart soon after it was released by people who know what to look for?

Or was this obvious fraud released simply to keep the debate and the political circus sideshow going?

While Obama’s birth issue has serious constitutional implications, it is to a certain degree a distraction. It reiterates the false right-left paradigm – as the PPP poll indicates — and deflects from larger political issues such as the Fed Reserve, the fraudulent monetary system, and ongoing wars responsible for killing more than a million people over the last eight years.

It also pumps new life into the so-called birther movement, a favorite target of derision by Obama supporters, especially in the corporate media (most notably by DC cop and homosexual Bohemian Grove nudist Chris Matthews). The birther movement worked like a charm in exaggerating the right-left paradigm and distracting from more important issues.

http://www.infowars.com/digital-artifacts-prove-obama-birth-certificat
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Senator Rand Paul MD demands to see Donald Trumps long form registration as a Republican Party member, as his father Congressman Ron Paul MD prepares to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012.
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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup. I heard about that one, too...

"If they prove the birth certificate, next: college records. After that: ___"

Talk about your conspiracies!! (And there; knowing what was in it, I just saved myself ANOTHER 5-10 minutes reading your crap. Bring on the ice cream...)

WHY should he show his college records, for gawd's sake? WHAT President has ever been asked to? What right does anyone have to ask him to? Is it a requirement to be President that you have X grades? Or is this just another way of saying "A Black man couldn't possibly be good enough to be President"? Hmmmm?

Given we already know you're a flaming racist, you needn't bother answering that. Go play with your tin hat.

Obama is President. Get over it.


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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:28 PM

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:45 PM

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Quote:

WHY should he show his college records, for gawd's sake? WHAT President has ever been asked to? What right does anyone have to ask him to? Is it a requirement to be President that you have X grades? Or is this just another way of saying "A Black man couldn't possibly be good enough to be President"? Hmmmm?


Does it have to be a 'black' thing? While I agree that this is a foolish waste of time and energy, people can hate him for reasons NOT related to his race. And even if we look at his race, he's half white too, right? Why can't we claim him?

I don't know much about birth certificates, haven't needed to use mine for anything yet, but the mother of one of the Autistic children I was working with did mention something to the tune of her husband needing copious amounts of documentation and two witnesses (non-family) of his birth to get something (a passport I think, or maybe for some government something, he's in the military) because he did not have a birth certificate but a 'certificate of live birth.' I wasn't paying really close attention cause I was mostly focused on watching the little one to see if his therapy was sticking during the break time.

Does anyone know what the big difference is between a 'birth certificate' and a 'certificate of live birth' and why they can't be used for the same thing?

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:12 PM

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It seems nothing will convince the birthers, reports Joel Achenbach from Washington.

IT PROVES nothing. It could be fake. It's all so fishy. Aren't there multiple layers on the scanned document released by the White House? Why did it take so long to produce?

The people who do not believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States have shown that a good conspiracy theory is like a coalmine fire: it's something that can't be doused in a day.

The President, pestered by ''birthers'' since he began running for the White House, finally felt compelled to try to put an end to the controversy, providing his original birth certificate for the first time.
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''Yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital,'' Mr Obama told the White House press corps before going on to demand an end to the ''silliness'' about his birthplace he fears has distracted the country from urgent policy matters involving wars, the federal debt and the economy.

But he added, ''I know that there's going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest.''

Correct. The birthers, far from chastised, found themselves newly energised and freshly suspicious.

''It raises far more questions than it answers,'' said Joseph Farah, editor-in-chief of World-NetDaily and birther extraordinaire, almost breathless between media interviews.

Farah, whose online publication has run hundreds of articles over the past couple of years questioning Mr Obama's citizenship, professed delight at the latest development. So did real estate tycoon Donald Trump, who has found that raising questions about Mr Obama's legitimacy is political jet fuel for someone pondering a presidential run.

Mr Trump said he felt ''honoured'' to have played a role in the White House's move, and then he nimbly skipped to his next demand - the release of Mr Obama's college transcript, which he thinks will show that Mr Obama was no star student.

The dispassionate observer might think that Wednesday's production of the birth certificate could not fail to bury forever the carefully manufactured controversy of the President's origin. The facts are now as official as facts can possibly get: Barack Hussein Obama II was born at 7.24pm on August 4, 1961, on the island of Oahu in the state of Hawaii.

But it is the nature of a conspiracy theory that all information must pass through a very discerning, yet simple, filter. Information that is confirmational is accepted; that which is contradictory is rejected.

Conspiracy theories are self-sustaining: they sprout new tendrils, like a mad vine that has invaded from another continent. For the committed conspiracy theorist there is always another angle to explore, more anomalies to scrutinise.

Orly Taitz, a prominent Obama critic who has questioned his birthplace, said she thinks the document is questionable because Mr Obama's father's race is listed as ''African''.

''It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, not in 1961, when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro','' she said.

Mr Obama's birth was announced in two local newspapers, and the Obama campaign released a short form of his birth certificate when he ran for office. But the long form of the document remained under wraps in a vault until the President dispatched a lawyer last week to retrieve it.

Sharon Guthrie, legislative director for Texas Republican Leo Berman, argued that the document Mr Obama produced on Wednesday was not a birth certificate but merely a ''certificate of live birth'', which she considers something different.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson said that the birthers use ''coded and covert rhetoric to stir up racial fears'', as part of a broader attempt to delegitimise Mr Obama and push back against civil rights and equal rights.

''It's a code word: 'He's not one of us,' '' Jackson said, giving his view of the birther mindset. '' 'He wasn't born here. He's not a Christian. He's a Muslim, we don't worship the same god.' It's a very coded designation to try to undermine his legitimacy.'' WASHINGTON POST

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-birth-proof-fuels-doubters-ire-2
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Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


So tell me, what is the controversy about his father being African on the birth certificate? As long as Obama was born in the US, then he is considered american.

Sounds like racist crap, the whole kit and caboodle. Seems like your president needs to come from a long line of whitey christians born in the US to be considered legitimate enough to be in office.

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Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:16 PM

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double trouble

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