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Firefox Or Internet Explorer?

POSTED BY: HAZE
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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:11 AM

HAZE


Iv just bought a new PC and after years of Microsoft loyalty I’m thinking of ditching Internet Explorer in favour of Firefox. The question is, should I? If you have or indeed are using Firefox please share your thoughts on it.

Also, and I apologise for my ignorance here but if I install Firefox does that mean I cant use Internet Explorer anymore should I choose to?

Anything you can share would be of great help.


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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:22 AM

MTNSCOTT


FIREFOX- Great browser, very few problems ever.

You can still use IE. I have to use now and then for websites that use IE specific Code.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:31 AM

VERSELIFE


Firefox. It also starts with "fire" and makes me think of firefly. So go with firefox.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:31 AM

HEB


I'm very illiterate when it comes to computers but I really like firefox and find it easy to use.

I especially like the Tabbed browsing and the way it manages your downloads but I think they might be introducing it to internet explorer now (they may have done already).

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:37 AM

LADYSHELLEY


Have to say Firfox is a much better browser. It's updated regularly, I love that you can customize the broswer with all sorts of widgits depending on what you want. It's more stable and less prone to viruses, spyware and malware.

At one time there was an issue with some pages and web sites not being configured for Firfox, but those are very rare now; I can browse my bank and credit card sites without any problems, I browse this forum and several others without trouble. If you have a gmail account I suggest an extension called "Customize Google". It allows for cookie-less logins and secure login to gmail among other things.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


I used Firefox at home and IE at work. I like Firefox a lot better and it's a lot more secure.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9:47 AM

CAPELLA


Well, I have been using Firefox (and Mozilla before that and Netscape before that) for years now and I love it. I also use Thunderbird as email programm.

I still have IE installed, though, and there are rare cases when a site will not be displayed correctly in Firefox because it uses some Microsoft specific stuff which is not supported yet.

But Firefox definitly is the Browncoats' choice Be independant!

Have fun and keep flyin'
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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 10:00 AM

NIKNAK


Firefox is great, especially when you add a few extensions like mouse gestures and flashblock. Another excellent alternative to IE is Opera, which I am using right now. It's the fastest fully featured browser. Firefox actually got a lot of their ideas from Opera (like tabbed browsing).

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 10:43 AM

RELFEXIVE


Firefox.

Firefox Firefox.

Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox.



Firefox.



That is all.



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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 10:49 AM

NOSADSEVEN


We happily use Firefox...(I luvs me my tabs and my right-click "Search web for "___"). We got a hand-me-down computer that had an outdated version of IE that functioned just well enough for us to get Firefox. But, Firefox didn't quite work right until we updated the version of IE on the computer, even though we didn't use IE. I guess my computer was old enough that it needed updated files that IE will install but Firefox won't. But seeing as how you have a new computer, you shouldn't have a problem anyway.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 11:10 AM

NOTREAL


Firefox Definitely
I would go crayze without tabs

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 2:47 PM

DC4BS


I would use firefox except for ONE thing.

I don't see any way to move the cache directory.

I have a separate partition that I mount as c:\temp

I changed all my temp & cache paths to point in various subdirectories in there.

This makes it so I almost never have to defrag the C: drive as all the little trash files that come and go can make their mess in their own little playground. (Also means I never waste space backing that crud up either)

Untill firefox allows the cache dir to be changed, I'm sticking with mozilla... bloated and slow, yes. But it does what I want it to do. I suppose I could just partition off another small slice and mount it where firefox hides the cache dir by default but I hate doing that. Shouldn't have to...

I don't like IE and only keep it around to run windows update and for those RARE occations I can't get a website to work under mozilla. Mostly, though, if a website is setup for IE only, I just take my buisness elsewhere. I only use those sites if there is absolutey _NO_ other choice available as they are obviously not really interested in MY buisness.
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EDIT: (2/2/06)
OK. figured out how to put the firefox cache where I wanted it last night... ;)

I have a 5 Gb partition mounted as C:\temp

I added a 2nd mountpoint for that same partition (XPpro allows this insanity... )

I simply moved the last 4 directory levels leading to the cache onto my tmp partition and after adding the extra mountpoint, firefox doesn't know the difference between the following.
C:\temp\Firefox\default\xxxxxxx\Cache
C;\Document and Settings\Local Settings\Application Data\mozilla\Firefox\default\xxxxxxx\Cache
(mountpoints in italics)
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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 2:55 PM

BEATLE


I tried Firefox but just went back to IE. Now that IE7 is out I like it even more.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 4:56 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Heh, I was gonna say, "have you tried Opera?" But you brought that up so I don't have to.

And there's another one that's cool. Crap, what is it. Starts with an M. Maxthon, or something like that. I'd use it before IE. I only fire up the Firefox when I edit my site. Safari doesn't support a lot of extensions. Anyway, yeah, Firefox beats IE.

Wasn't tab browsing a Safari thing? I know I've been tab browsing for years. I've been known to be wrong, so I'm prolly wrong here too. Eh, doesn't matter.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 5:08 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


As dated as it is, I still prefer IE. Something about the way other browsers render a page irks me on a subconcious level.

Besides, FFF.NET looks best with IE. :)

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 5:25 PM

FOLLOWMAL




I use Firefox for lots 'o stuff, but not when I browse here, I use IE, 'cuz Haken's right, FFF.net looks best with IE.

But Firefox is a good browser and you don't lose IE when you download and use Firefox.

Thanks, Haken for making FFF.net so shiny.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 9:43 AM

HAZE


Well im running Firefox now. I isn’t bad.

Can anyone recommend any extensions?


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Thursday, February 2, 2006 10:50 AM

KHYRON


Firefox is overhyped. Opera is sweet! Sometimes there are some websites that one can't open properly, but that's because the web designers made the site for IE or Firefox and bugger all the other browsers (lazy programmers suck). But since the first time I tried Opera I never at any stage considered using another browser unless I absolutely needed to.

In fact I downloaded Firefox once to see what all the fuss was about and I had to laugh at how amateurish it seemed by comparison. Maybe later versions of Firefox are better, but frankly, I don't care.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 5:55 PM

LADYSHELLEY


Quote:

Originally posted by Haze:
Well im running Firefox now. I isn’t bad.

Can anyone recommend any extensions?

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Customize Google (if you use Google and/or have a gmail account)

AdBlock



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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:46 PM

SNAP


You can move the firefox cache directory by editing the user.js in the profile directory

Add or edit this line:

user_pref("browser.cache.disk.parent_directory","C:\\Temp\\Cache");

Pretty much anything can be changed in firefox. =)

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:49 PM

SNAP


Also here is a short list of must-have extensions:

SessionSaver
Tab clicking options
Adblock Plus
StumbleUpon
ForecastFox

There are other nice extensions out there but these are VERY useful.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:44 AM

HAZE


Ok adblocker has now convinced me that Firefox is the greatest thing in the history of the internet ever!


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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:54 AM

DIANASPR


firefox definnetly, it has the extra tabs it easier to use, i tell you cus at work i have to use explorer n at home i use firefox so much better

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:36 AM

EDISON


Opera and Firefox are both terrific: you never go back after using tabbed browsing.

Among my favorite Firefox extensions:
Nuke Anything
(right-click to hide items on a web page, nice for cleaning up a page for printing or for blowing away annoying content like animated GIFs)

Add Bookmark Here
(Bookmark pages directly into a specific bookmark folder/submenu)

FoxyTunes
(Control any media player from a little controller in the status bar at the bottom of the Firefox window)

Probably the single greatest reason that I end up using Firefox most is SMART KEYWORD SEARCHES: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/smart-keywords.html

"Say you visit The Internet Movie Database (IMDB) all the time to look up things. You go to imdb.com and click in the search box and enter whatever you're searching for, and click Search. Lots of clicking, lots of steps." With a Smart Keyword that you specify--say, "imdb"--you can type imdb Firefly into Firefox's Location bar and hit enter and be taken right to the results--bypassing IMDB's search box entirely.

I use this feature all the time for referencing dictionary definitions, encyclopedia entries, Amazon, song lyrics, etc.--any site that has a search box. Each keyword is stored in a bookmark. Tip: Include the keyword in the bookmark name and put all the keyword bookmarks in a single bookmark folder/submenu. That makes it easy to check or share your list of keywords.

My favorite web browser tip for all the browsers is: Don't forget the F11 toggle for full-screen browsing.


Edison

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 9:32 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Adding another voice to the choir: Firefox.

I use it when in MacOSX and OpenBSD. Sweet browser!

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 10:24 AM

JRC


I've been using Safari, with Firefox a distant second. I gave up on IE a long time ago, because that POS is slow, not too mention it has big-time security issues. If you are using a Mac, you may want to give Camino a try. It's a version of Firefox specifically for the Mac.
By the way Haken, FFF with Safari looks pretty damn shiny to me!!

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 10:24 AM

CLEANER


As for Firefox being more secure. 99% of IE spyware infections come down to 1 thing....... User Stupidity!

Hey lets install Smiley Central and Screensavers.com Wow if I click on this button it says it will scan for spyware on my computer for free!

People will do the most stupid things and yet seem completely incapable to run the Microsoft updates once in a while.

I'm a computer tech, I don't run an active virus scanner and have no firewall on this computer (filesharing reasons) and after 2 years of running IE on this install never a virus or spyware infection.

If u want a customizable interface use Firefox otherwise feel free to ignore all the fanboy talk.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 1:26 PM

CITIZEN


Khyron:
I write code for two browsers, IE and Standards compliant browsers.

Unfortunately in some cases Opera is less standards compliant, sometimes more so. Also Opera can be configured to report itself as IE, which can cause problems since it identifies itself as IE and behaves like Opera.

It can take a lot of code to support multiple browsers, and sometimes you can't support two browsers at the same time, meaning you have to pick one or drop that feature. If you've got the choice between IE and Opera, which one would you drop?

Fact is Opera isn't widely used, best figures suggest <1% share, about 2.5% for KHTML based browsers like Konqueror, 11% for Gecko based browsers like FireFox and 82% for IE, with the final 3.5% made up of older browsers like Netscape 4 and web devices.

All browsers have their little quirks, so sometimes you have to write different code for different browsers, but it's an enormous amount of work to support every browser and sometimes it's just not possible.

On a site I'm working on the usage statistics so far indicate 15,946 requests from MSIE, 10,217 from FireFox and 383 from Opera. The fact is if it turns out Opera is causing problems that will require a large amount of work or a design change to fix I doubt it would be worth doing.

Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against Opera, it’s certainly superior to MSIE (but then so is a carrier pigeon…) and it is the originator of the multiple site interfaces with MDI way back in what 1995? It’s done a lot for improving the usability of the net. Thing is because it’s not widely used it has to be the one of the first on the chopping block.

It's not laziness, its practicality.

Personally I'd like nothing better than to give Opera support a higher priority than IE support, simply because IE is so broken when it comes to the standards, and requires so much extra work to create sites for I'd like to drop it entirely. Unfortunately with an 82% share of the web users IE support is a necessity.


Anyway, I run FireFox, MSIE and Opera, the last two mainly for testing purposes. MSIE is really a poor browser and the sooner people wake up and start using something, anything else, the better for everyone.




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Saturday, February 4, 2006 3:00 PM

KHYRON


Thanks for the info, Citizen, I didn't realise that there were so few Opera users around. I guess in a way Opera's sort of like Firefly in that it has a small yet dedicated fanbase. So maybe I was being harsh when I said "lazy" programming, but there's still something to that claim if one considers that most websites do work with it. So why do those few ones that don't work not work? There must be something that the web designers didn't bother putting into their code that most other web designers did put in.

Anyway, as someone that obviously knows something about browsers, what is your preference between Firefox and Opera, not from a market-share or "well, it's better than IE" point of view, but from a technical point of view (without getting too technical)?

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 4:23 PM

CAIUS


Firefox, although I use the full Mozilla version since every once in a long while someone (usually an in-law) sends me an attachement, and one clearly can not view attachements in a shell account.

Tabed browsing Rocks.

You need to keep Exploder for a handfull of website that are not compatable, usually poorly written e-comerce sites. For example I just ordered a camcorder form B&H photovideo, and there was a popup that I had to use IE to clear.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 9:43 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Cleaner:

As for Firefox being more secure. 99% of IE spyware infections come down to 1 thing....... User Stupidity!




The security that we're talking about isn't due to user. That is something that only the user can fix. We are talking about the security of the browser itself.

Look at the track record and you'll see that Firefox is more secure. They also have far less of a turn around time for fixes. With M$, you have to wait for there what, once a month update. And that's if they even got around to fixing the problem, which seems to be getting more and more rare ie the critical WMF flaw (they only released the fix early due only to customer pressure).

Seems to me that a company that decided to make security there priority, what 5 years ago, should have a better track record than what they have now.


Quote:

Originally posted by Cleaner:

I'm a computer tech, I don't run an active virus scanner and have no firewall on this computer (filesharing reasons) and after 2 years of running IE on this install never a virus or spyware infection.




You're a tech and you don't know that you can have a firewall on and still have filesharing going? Oh... what's that. It's your credibility going straight out the window.

In all seriousness, you have lots of learning to do.


Quote:

Originally posted by Cleaner:

If u want a customizable interface use Firefox otherwise feel free to ignore all the fanboy talk.




If you kept track of things security, or even read /. regularly, you'd be aware that what you refer to as "fanboy talk" is actually looking at what is called reality.

Also, how in the world do you think that people will take you seriously when you refer to Firefox advocation as "fanboy talk" and then use "u" instead of "you"?

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 4:50 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Cleaner:
As for Firefox being more secure. 99% of IE spyware infections come down to 1 thing....... User Stupidity!


and 99% of hacking attempts work using buffer over-run exploits, which MSIE has in spades. It's full of security holes, don't believe me educate yourself, go look at the MS developer site, see the LOOOONG list of unpatched security exploits.
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I'm a computer tech, I don't run an active virus scanner and have no firewall on this computer (filesharing reasons) and after 2 years of running IE on this install never a virus or spyware infection.

A computer tech that doesn't run anti virus software and doesn't use a firewall? This filesharing you speak of, is this legal LAN kind or the illegal peer-to-peer kind? Either way it's easy to configure a firewall not to affect it.
Trust me, you've got viruses, Trojans, worms adware and the nasty types of spyware like keyloggers on your system, you don't know it because you haven't got anyway of detecting it. These types of software programs are designed to stay hidden; they don't show a splash screen at start-up saying "Virus-Software 1.0, destroying your system. (c)2000-2005".

MSIE is a pig. It encapsulates the normal MS attitude that other peoples (and often their own) standards are made to be broken. So we now have a situation where the web is a very difficult place to write for.



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:28 AM

CITIZEN


Khyron:
Quote:

There must be something that the web designers didn't bother putting into their code that most other web designers did put in.

Not necessarily, it may just be what that website is trying to do can't be done in Opera, or requires different coding to do. Sometimes you end up with a situation where in order to show your design in one browser you have to break the design in another. Sometimes it comes down to the choice of either changing the design, or dropping support for the offending browser.

Quote:

Anyway, as someone that obviously knows something about browsers, what is your preference between Firefox and Opera, not from a market-share or "well, it's better than IE" point of view, but from a technical point of view (without getting too technical)?

From a user standpoint I prefer FireFox, just fits me better. There are a few nice extra features the FF doesn't have but the latest Opera does, like the little rubbish bin that'll resurrect pages you've accidentally closed. I've done that loads of times in FF and been quite upset, especially if it's been while typing a web mail or post.

At the end of the day the differences between the user experience of FF and Opera these days are quite minor. The only problem it does have is under the hood, where sometimes it does have some problems rendering standard compliant code. No way near as bad as IE, but to be honest in some ways FF seems to support standards better.

One of the big reasons I prefer FF is that it as well as the underlying Mozilla technology is open source, I’ve just got a thing for open source .



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:34 AM

CLEANER


Thats made my day

Firefox fanboys always get up in arms about security, almost too easy. Less porn sites and more news sites would be my advice (joke, except for SIGMANUNKI).

U seem to be reading alot into my post which isn't there. I have nothing against Firefox and have it installed on another machine (Opera too but I don't like it). All I was saying is if your not going to be customizing your web interface use whatever. Just do the updates and don't download stupid things. Firefox beats the rest hands down for customization.

BTW I said I don't run ACTIVE antivirus and firewall. They are both installed along with about 5 antispyware programs (I plug infected drives into this computer when I bring work home). This was not meant as advise (should have made that clearer but I didn't want to make a huge post at the time) but an example of how smart web browsing is more important than what browser u use. If I'm doing banking etc I do it on one of the firewalled machines.

I like to keep xp lean so don't have them autoloading on startup, xp uses 64mb of ram after startup if setup right.

And seriously who can be arsed setting up all the port forwarding for each program (file sharing, remote access programs, games servers), some of my games need up to 5 ports open to host a server. I like to have 1 machine completely open in the DMZ.

If you really don't like IE go to http://www.nliteos.com/ and try this utility to remove it from xp or create an xp setup that doesn't include it.

"If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak!!!"

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:43 AM

VIOLETRIX


firefox is nice and stable. i like it a lot. we've been running it for awhile now.

i have an allergic reaction to microsoft. linux!

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:24 AM

SAINT JAYNE


The browsers all have good and bad points. I use Opera myself, with IE as a backup for those pesky IE-only pages. Tabbed browsing and mouse gestures won me over, and now with voice recognition in Opera v8, how could you not? "Computer, Earl Grey, hot". Mozilla (Firefox) has great customization and secutiry, and a responsive development team.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:33 AM

CLEANER


I haven't looked at Opera in about a year but voice recognition?????? Thats got me interested, will have to check it out.

Last time I looked at Opera it felt like half a program and I had too many viewing problems compared to IE and FF.

I just opened it to have alook and it was version 8.0 and the text on the news site I have as my homepage over runs the pictures lol

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:37 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Cleaner:
Firefox fanboys always get up in arms about security, almost too easy.


I'm not a FF fanboy, I just know which is better, and it ain't IE. IE security is abysmal; I could write you a JavaScript routine that can install spyware viruses etc that will work in IE because of its poor implementation of JavaScript security. You’d never even know it had done anything.
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All I was saying is if your not going to be customizing your web interface use whatever.

And that is what I take exception too. Use whatever browser you want fine, just please please please don't use MSIE. It is by far the worst browser there is, it takes the standards and throws them out the window, it is by far the least stable browser I have ever used, it forces everyone developing websites to use poor code, coding practice and hacks in order to support it. The sooner it dies the better, for everyone.
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If you really don't like IE go to http://www.nliteos.com/ and try this utility to remove it from xp or create an xp setup that doesn't include it.

It's easy to remove IE from XP, if you want too. Unfortunately I need it installed so I can check for IE compatibility when I'm working on a site. I tend not to use the installer though, I create Images and use those if I need to reinstall.



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:12 AM

CLEANER


Thats your view form a writing perspective. From an end user support perspective IE is better.

End user support means dealing with alot of people that don't handle computers or new things well. Thats why they are customers and they pay u money.

You have to be very careful in recommending that they move away from IE because they blame you every time they can't view a page properly or you get endless phone calls if they install some plugins.

You can never say to the customer that FF is more secure than IE because when they do get infected its some how partly my fault that they downloaded something stupid. Even if u pointed out nothing is 100% secure.

Sure the easy answer is to have both IE and FF on the PC and almost always they stop using FF after the first few days and go back to what they know. For some customers IE is the best choice, they feel safe with it.

If you really wanted to put a black mark against IE you would talk about memory usage issues. My point was people have problems because of habits, not browsers.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:27 AM

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IE Tab

I highly recommend this Firefox extension. It let's you open up an MSIE window in one of your Firefox tabs. Greatest tool ever for those IE-only sites or to check for compatability.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 10:14 AM

CITIZEN


I'm also an end user. Think about it .
I've also had to deal with MS tech support and frankly there's not much in the way of Tech or Support there.

Trust me I know this stuff, any real measure of "what is the best browser" and MSIE will lose hands down to anything else out there.

I get the whole stupid user issue, but that's not an issue here. If someone says should I try FF, is it better than IE, then yes, yes you should try it, yes it is better.

End user support for IE is not better, it's non-existent, by comparison there's a good and helpful community for FF. You can't even say IE is easier to use, because it isn't, you open a site in FF, you open a site in IE, pretty much the same thing.

There aren’t any advantages to IE, except that it comes bundled with windows so no extra work in getting it.

MSIE, especially the Mac variant have done more to hamper improved usability of the internet than anything else. Standards are there for a reason, it improves the user experience, and ignoring them, like MSIE does, does NOT help usability.

But yeah, memory issues are another thing, one of many, as is the amateurish memory leaks I've noticed on occasions.



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 1:37 PM

CLEANER


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Trust me I know this stuff, any real measure of "what is the best browser" and MSIE will lose hands down to anything else out there.



Dear Fanboy, I'm sorry but you are what you are. Go back and read my first post and tell me where I mention anything about what is technically the best browser.

I accept your view that FF is more customizable and technically better security because I knew that before this thread. You are unable to get it into your head that what a user does is more important than what they use. I couldn't run IE with no protection if I went to pornsites, or other dodgy sites, and downloaded free software.

But with all fanboys on religous crusades you don't actually stop think about what other people say, your mouth just keeps talking, you might want to see to that.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 1:55 PM

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Yes Cleaner and by being the only one here throwing around insults and by talking about stuff that has no bearing here in an attempt to start an argument you've certainly gained the higher moral ground.

I didn't insult you, and I didn't try to, until now. I understand end user concerns better than some lowly tech that completed a four week SERCO course and now has the lofty job of defragging the odd hard disk.

You are the one running your mouth off, you've said several times that IE is better because of the user experience, and done nothing to back up your MS fanboy rhetoric. I realise you've had a week long training course in MS love, and I'm afraid I'm not at all impressed. You pick up on one sentence and miss where I disputed what you said about user experience completely. Probably because, as you've consistently shown, and as I suspected all along, you know nothing, and can't dispute what I said on its own merits.

You're acting like a troll, you come to a thread and call most of the people here fanboys and you've been obviously baiting from the get go. I realise you can't do that in the real world because you'll get beaten up, and that frustrates you immensely. You may want to see to that.



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:09 PM

CLEANER


I didn't mention your reply to end user support because again you didn't understand what I posted. If microsoft offered any real enduser support half of the IT industry would be out of business. We are the enduser support not microsoft, the industry has thrived off their stuffups. Your reply again had no relevance to what I posted.

My argument with u has nothing to do with IE vs FF (I really don't care what people use they will always stuff it up) the only thing I have disagreed with you on is your perspective as a programmer vs what end users face.

My frustration is your inablility to read.

But of course if I don't agree with you 100% and declare my love for FireFox (even though I use it) above all others I must be wrong. You are so wise and powerful, I bow to your Epenis



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Sunday, February 5, 2006 11:18 PM

CITIZEN


Whatever, you bore me.

I gave you the only reason why IE is better, that being it’s already installed within Windows, so I gather you don’t believe people should use MS Word, considering Wordpad comes preinstalled.

How about you tell me some more how you understand the end user experience so much better than anyone else from the sheet of questions and possible fixes you use to diagnose all problems. It's veeery interesting.

Or maybe you could just call me an FF fanboy again because I prefer to use it because it’s a superior browser and offered my opinion to that fact.

Aren't there any other forums you can troll, because you’re not even a particularly good troll? You need to learn how to troll better as well as how to actually use that magic box of lights before you.

But since you consider you're self 'support' for MS products no wonder many systems are in as poor a state as they are.

Come on, be honest, you really are a cleaner aren’t you?

Oh well I tried to discuss this reasonably, but that was never really on the cards since you just want to spout your mouth off about how much more you know than everyone else. Unfortunately there are people here who do know what they are talking about so your fairly pathetic attempt to become the biggest kid in the sandbox is destined to fail, later sweet-pea.



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Monday, February 6, 2006 12:05 AM

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Firefox, without a shadow of a doubt.

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Monday, February 6, 2006 9:10 AM

GUENEVER


I use IE; my husband uses Firefox. My company is against Firefox; every month or so we get this big email threatening dire security issues with Firefox.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 1:11 AM

HAZE


Alright, let me ask the question here. Is Firefox actually more secure than IE?


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Who do you suppose is in there?

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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 1:20 AM

MRBEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Haze:
Alright, let me ask the question here. Is Firefox actually more secure than IE?



Depends on who you ask. But yes, yes it is :)

(In all seriousness, there are a number of reasons that it is both more secure now, but is more likely to continue to be more secure in the long run)

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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:43 AM

CITIZEN


It's possible that that company is using a security enhanced version of IE, that is one where in house teams have taken it apart and fixed it for use there (this is what has been done where I work). It also maybe because the companies gateway is setup for IE and can't recognise FF? Dunno, could be any number of things but in and of it self, and from a perspective of the versions you'll have access to FF is more secure.



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