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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:15 PM

RODWY


Since this has nothing to do with friefly (which is why it's not in general), but on our shiny little verse so I'm putting it here.


How many planets do you believe is in our solar system? There are three main beliefs.

1. There are 8 planets because Pluto shouldn't be considered a planet.

2. There are 9 planets because that is what I learned in school.

3. There are upwards of 16 or more planets because if Pluto is a planet there are more pluto-like planets out there.


Me, I believe in number 3, I've studied info on the planets, Trans-Neptunian objects and Kuiper belt objects and realized that some of them better qualify as planets then Pluto and therefor should also be named planets.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:34 PM

RODWY


I bet I get flamed by a bunch of science buffs when I post this but,

My planets list:
1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Earth
4. Mars
5. Ceres
6. Jupiter
7. Saturn
8. Uranus
9. Neptune
10. Pluto
11. Orcus
12. 2003 EL61
13. Quaoar
14. 2005 FY9
15. 2003 UB313
16. Sedna

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:59 PM

ONEMANSHORT


Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:
I bet I get flamed by a bunch of science buffs when I post this but,

My planets list:
1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Earth
4. Mars
5. Ceres
6. Jupiter
7. Saturn
8. Uranus
9. Neptune
10. Pluto
11. Orcus
12. 2003 EL61
13. Quaoar
14. 2005 FY9
15. 2003 UB313
16. Sedna

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I believe in the traditional 9 planets. It's easy to remember the planets this way and I don't believe the others will really ever be accepted as planets. I wish we could travel out there and actually see what's beyond us, as far as I'm concerned alot of the information about the rest of the universe is nothing short of guesses.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:02 PM

SINGATE


Isn't there a probe headed out towards Pluto with the intent of seeing what is actually out there?

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:05 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by OneManShort:
Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:
I bet I get flamed by a bunch of science buffs when I post this but,

My planets list:
1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Earth
4. Mars
5. Ceres
6. Jupiter
7. Saturn
8. Uranus
9. Neptune
10. Pluto
11. Orcus
12. 2003 EL61
13. Quaoar
14. 2005 FY9
15. 2003 UB313
16. Sedna

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I believe in the traditional 9 planets. It's easy to remember the planets this way and I don't believe the others will really ever be accepted as planets. I wish we could travel out there and actually see what's beyond us, as far as I'm concerned alot of the information about the rest of the universe is nothing short of guesses.




Well 2003 UB313 is now under consideration to become the 10th planet but is not due to all of this Planet X talk.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I wanted to be an astronomer when I was a kid. My dad took my brothers and I to the Chicago Planetarium all the time when we were kids. Then I had to get the mandatory public school brainwashing and now I'm just a button pusher.

My programming would only allow me to believe that there is nine planets.

[i}"When I look back on all the crap I learned in high school... it's a wonder I can think at all." - Paul Simon, Kodachrome



BTW... did you read that there's a planet they discovered 149 light years away from Earth that has 3 suns that they've dubbed Tatooine?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:07 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Isn't there a probe headed out towards Pluto with the intent of seeing what is actually out there?

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But it won't get there till 2016.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:10 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

BTW... did you read that there's a planet they discovered 149 light years away from Earth that has 3 suns that they've dubbed Tatooine?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."



So what if UB313 becomes a planet it may be named Persephone. Dubbed names usually don't become the planets final name. As UB313 was originally dubbed "Xena"

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:16 PM

ONEMANSHORT


OoO, I would consider it a planet if it was called persephone! Actually I would just get very excited and scream somethign about Badger and fluffy dresses.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Xena was such a better name. UB313 sounds like a bad band name from the 80's.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 PM

RODWY


Well 2003 UB313 is just its provisional designation, or temporary name until it has been found to have a reliable orbit and has been given its official name.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:37 PM

ONEMANSHORT


Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:
Well 2003 UB313 is just its provisional designation, or temporary name until it has been found to have a reliable orbit and has been given its official name.



My vote is for Persephone, or Shadow, then I can pretend Mal grew up there. (In the fictional world inside my head of course) I wonder who gets to make the final decision as to what the name is...the person who found the planet I suppose.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:51 PM

RODWY


The IAU (International Astronomical Union) names stars, planets, asteroids, and other celestial bodies. They are also responsible for defining what the official classification of a planet is, to be stated sometime this september.

Persephone is Hades wife in Greek mythology, and since UB313 shares a similar orbit to Pluto they will name it after a deity of the underworld.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:58 PM

ONEMANSHORT


Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:
The IAU (International Astronomical Union) names stars, planets, asteroids, and other celestial bodies. They are also responsible for defining what the official classification of a planet is, to be stated sometime this september.

Persephone is Hades wife in Greek mythology, and since UB313 shares a similar orbit to Pluto they will name it after a deity of the underworld.

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No, Persephone is clearly the dwelling place of our BDH's and Badger. Also where Mal got to stab Atherton Wing and where Kaylee got to wear her poofy dress. (No, but seriously) I wonder why they name planets after Greek mythology when they could give planets modern names, I guess they're just sticking with tradition. I wouldn't mind if it was called Jayne, that would be fun..."Look, you can see Jayne over on the horizon tonight" Well, if I pretended that any of these far away planets were close enough to see. Thanks for the information by the way, I feel like I'm getting a little lesson in astronomy.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:58 PM

ONEMANSHORT


Stupid double post.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:

5. Ceres



where's that?



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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:

5. Ceres



where's that?



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1 Ceres is located at the outer edge of the main astroid belt between Mars and Jupiter

1 Ceres as of now is actually classified as an asteroid, but it is as much as an asteroid as Pluto is.

So according to that 1 Ceres isn't considered a planet(for now) but more a Planemo (planet-mass-object).

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:24 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


thank you



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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:30 PM

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:34 PM

CHOO1701


would i get laughed at if i wanted to call a planet

"This Land" (or Bob so landings don't get confusing )

(any Titan AE fans?? )


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:38 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


*raises hand*

I liked that movie alot, especially when Cale is flying through the nebula with the wake angels

(is that what they're called? been awhile since I watched it)



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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:41 PM

RODWY


Titan AE? Isn't that that thing were earth has been devastated and humans are hard to find and Titan AE was a ship launched to make a new Earth?

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:54 PM

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got it in one

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:13 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


except for the fact that earth was obliterated, not devasted, devasted mean it's still there, but not inhabitable



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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:45 PM

RODWY


I like where they find the ship and start searching the dna samples or somesuch, I remember something about dolphins.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:57 PM

CHOO1701


Quote:

Originally posted by Rodwy:
I like where they find the ship and start searching the dna samples or somesuch, I remember something about dolphins.

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and yeah Planet "Bob" or possibly "Joss" if i was in that kind of mood :P

(and dear god i hope they never call it planet "George Lucas" )

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:21 AM

CYBERSNARK


Planet Lucas doesn't actually exist, it's just a simple CGI effect (and a quite blatant one, I might add).

Add my name to the "16 or more planets" list. And several moons and moonlets (including the ones mentioned here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=7&t=21503). Though I prefer the term "planetoid" to "planemo." It just sounds less silly.

And I hate the "temporary designation" thing. Where's the poetry? Where's the art?

"Which one's P3X-496?"
"The one with the waterfalls."
"Then why can't we just call it 'Planet Waterfall?'" --Ford & Sheppard (Stargate Atlantis)

(And, symbolically, Persephone is a flawed name for a planet: Persephone spent half the year [spring/summer] in the world of the living, and half [autumn/winter] in the underworld. Logically, a planet named after her should have an elliptical orbit, regularly passing near the Sun, then returning to the dark, cold abyss.)

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:54 AM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Planet Lucas doesn't actually exist, it's just a simple CGI effect (and a quite blatant one, I might add).

Add my name to the "16 or more planets" list. And several moons and moonlets (including the ones mentioned here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=7&t=21503). Though I prefer the term "planetoid" to "planemo." It just sounds less silly.

And I hate the "temporary designation" thing. Where's the poetry? Where's the art?

"Which one's P3X-496?"
"The one with the waterfalls."
"Then why can't we just call it 'Planet Waterfall?'" --Ford & Sheppard (Stargate Atlantis)

(And, symbolically, Persephone is a flawed name for a planet: Persephone spent half the year [spring/summer] in the world of the living, and half [autumn/winter] in the underworld. Logically, a planet named after her should have an elliptical orbit, regularly passing near the Sun, then returning to the dark, cold abyss.)

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Yes, I to use the term Planemo, as my list of planets is the list of the known planemo's, not including moons.

I love how Ford and Sheperd argue about Ford getting to name things on Atlantis.

Finally UB313 has a highly elliptical orbit, which brings it above the orbit of Neptune but it still remains further from the sun than Neptune.


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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:59 AM

MSG


ok so what makes a planet a planet?? is there a specific mass or something?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:22 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
ok so what makes a planet a planet?? is there a specific mass or something?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2



There is no official way to describe what makes a planet a planet but here are some definitions.

A planet is any object in orbit round the Sun with a diameter greater than 2000 km.

A planet is any object in orbit round the Sun whose shape is stable due to its own gravity

A planet is any object in orbit round the Sun that is dominant in its immediate neighborbood.


The definition of Planemo
An object [rounded by self-gravity] that does not achieve core fusion during its lifetime regardless of its orbit.

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:28 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I have long held the hope that if and when a 10th planet is designated that it would be named Persephone, and it has nothing to do with Firefly.

That is what Arthur C. Clarke called his 10th planet in Redezvous with Rama.




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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:41 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Planet Lucas doesn't actually exist, it's just a simple CGI effect (and a quite blatant one, I might add).

Add my name to the "16 or more planets" list. And several moons and moonlets (including the ones mentioned here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=7&t=21503). Though I prefer the term "planetoid" to "planemo." It just sounds less silly.

And I hate the "temporary designation" thing. Where's the poetry? Where's the art?

"Which one's P3X-496?"
"The one with the waterfalls."
"Then why can't we just call it 'Planet Waterfall?'" --Ford & Sheppard (Stargate Atlantis)

(And, symbolically, Persephone is a flawed name for a planet: Persephone spent half the year [spring/summer] in the world of the living, and half [autumn/winter] in the underworld. Logically, a planet named after her should have an elliptical orbit, regularly passing near the Sun, then returning to the dark, cold abyss.)

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There are a few more planemos, but they are moons, which are in this list.

1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Earth
- Luna
4. Mars
5. Ceres
6. Jupiter
- Io
- Europa
- Ganymede
- Callisto
7. Saturn
- Mimas
- Enceladus
- Tethys
- Dione
- Rhea
- Titan
- Iapetus
8. Uranus
- Miranda
- Ariel
- Umbriel
- Titania
- Oberon
9. Neptune
- Triton
10. Pluto
- Charon
11. Orcus
12. 2003 EL61
13. Quaoar
14. 2005 FY9
15. 2003 UB313
16. Sedna


I find it funny that in Firefly there are planets named Ariel and Miranda.

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:51 AM

CYBERSNARK


Shouldn't Phobos and Deimos get honourable mention for having the coolest names? ("Fear" and "Dread")

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:34 AM

DUG


Please to be noting:

Titan AE had Joss involvement, as in he was one of the three writers iirc.

Lots of parallels with our verse, if you just ignore all of the aliens.

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:08 PM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Shouldn't Phobos and Deimos get honourable mention for having the coolest names? ("Fear" and "Dread")

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They should

I just noticed your name is CyberSNARK, does that have anything to do with Half-life?

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:10 PM

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I've been wondering that myself



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Friday, July 14, 2006 4:36 AM

CYBERSNARK


Actually it's more of an oblique Transformers reference:

My favourite TF is Sky-byte (because he's a reader and poet and I'm a [former] English major), who is a remold (or was remolded into, I'm not sure) a character called Cybershark. "Snark" is just my usual sense of humour (and I saw the shark/snark freudian slip elsewhere, so I just co-opted it for my own nefarious purposes [or nefarious porpoises]).

So, no, I'm just a sarcastic transforming shark-bot with literary aspirations.

(And now I'm thinking "Cybersnark and the Nefarious Porpoises" would be an awesome band name. . .)

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Friday, July 14, 2006 4:38 AM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


*throws a snark at cybersnark*



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Friday, July 14, 2006 7:18 AM

RODWY


Quote:

Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
*throws a snark at cybersnark*



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*snark attacks Cybersnark then explodes*
Oh why do they have to explode?

Well at first I didn't realize that your name was cybersnark, and in case you didn't know, snarks are those cute little Xen creatures from Half-Life that you throw at people.

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Monday, July 17, 2006 10:54 AM

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Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:33 PM

RODWY


I Declare this topic officially dead. I'm gonna stop checking it unless I see it pop up in the top discussions in the next few days. But unless some one else wants to talk about it I'm putting this sign here in the ground.

*Hammers sign into ground near topic*

Sign reads: Topic dead

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Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:16 PM

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*throws a snark at the sign*



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Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:19 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Just to give you something actually interesting and on-topic to see when you check this:
I think anything that can be classified as a planet should be classified as a planet. What would be so bad about having a bunch of them? Sure the schoolkids might have more to memorize, but I memorized all 50 state capitals when I was in school; I don't think it would strain them. Unless they kept those lame random numbers/letters as names. When they have proper names, though, no big deal. I think lots and lots of planets would be shiny!

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Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:01 PM

RODWY


But do you still remember all the state capitals?


But I did memorize the list of Planemos, and hope one day they will all(excluding moons) be recognized as planets(except maybe Charon).

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Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:14 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Good question. I haven't had to use the knowlege in so long that I've forgotten a few. Let's see... Denver - Colorado, Boise - Idaho, Albany - New York, Baton Rouge - Luisiana, Juno (however it's spelled) Alaska, Honalulu - Hawaii, Topeka - Kansas, Phoenix - Arizona, St Paul - Minnesota, Santa Fe - New Mexico, Cheyanne - Wyoming, Salem - Oregon, Lincoln - Nebraska, Sacramento - California, Jackson - Mississippi, Atlanta - Georgia, Boston - Massachusettes... Gosh, that's all I remember right now. There are even a few states I can't think of, and a others I just can't remember the capitals for. Huh.

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Monday, July 24, 2006 6:11 AM

CYBERSNARK


Isn't there an Animaniacs song about the State capitols?

(Everything I know, I learned from cartoons.)

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 7:49 PM

RODWY


I think there is, its just hard to remember right now.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:41 PM

RODWY


Ok, from what I've read and seen on the news so far this is what the planet list stands at now. I think.


1. Mercury
2. Venus
3. Earth
4. Mars
5. Ceres
6. Jupiter
7. Saturn
8. Uranus
9. Neptune
10. 2003 UB313


Mabye UB313 will finally get the name Persephone.




But I'm not sure as they haven't said anything about Ceres or UB313 in a week.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:49 PM

RODWY


Ok I figured it out.

Origianlly 12 new planets were proposed, they were.

2003 EL61, 2005 FY9, Sedna, Orcus, Quaoar, 2002 TX300, 2002 AW197, Varuna, Ixion, Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea

That was soon shot down and changed to 3 new proposed planets.

2003UB313, Charon, 1 Ceres

That was shot down too and they then demoted pluto as a planet and made a new classification "Dwarf Planets" which are

2003UB313, Pluto, and 1 Ceres.

So now we only have 8 planets.

But there will still be 16 in my mind.


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Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:31 PM

ADAMWANKENOBI


In my mind we have dozens of planets and hundreds of moons.

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