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Greatest Martial Art Movie(s) Of All Time!

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Monday, April 28, 2008 10:42 AM

CHRISISALL


For raw fight awesomeness, I say DRUNKEN MASTER II (aka Legend Of The Drunken Master)!!!

Other nominations?

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Monday, April 28, 2008 10:57 AM

LWAVES


Not really a big martial arts fan. Especially as so many of the American martial arts movies had the main character out for revenge over the death of their brother/father/wife/best friend/army buddy etc. Boring.

But I would have to nominate Hero with Jet Li.
More for just the beauty of the film and the way it is shot and uses colour than for the actual fight scenes, although they are stunning as well.

Following that it would have to be Enter The Dragon with the Bruce who isn't named Campbell (see other thread in Other SciFi Shows for reference).

The earlier and classic Jackie Chan movies were also good coz they were funny as well as action packed.

The only others that stick in my mind are Crouching Tiger and House Of Flying Daggers.

Can I also nominate Hong Kong Phoey, although this is a TV show not a movie?




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Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:

But I would have to nominate Hero with Jet Li.


A truly great movie.

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Monday, April 28, 2008 11:10 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


The Last Dragon

Bruce Leroy!!!



Really though. I have to cast a vote for Fist Of Legend.

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Monday, April 28, 2008 11:18 AM

SICKDUDE


Best of the Best 2.


Why are we still talking about this?...

(Although you may want to also check out Ong-Bak, a really fantastic Thai movie!)


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Monday, April 28, 2008 11:51 AM

GORAMMAN


Fists of Legend - Jet Li

Yuen Woo Ping and Jet Li team up in a remake of Bruce Lee's Fists of Fury. Although the story remained vengence oriented it was expanded to include some of the racial and historical tensions that existed and still exist between the Chinese and Japanese people. The fights are still incredible to me after seeing 15 years worth of kung-fu cinema.

Police Story - Jacky Chan

Pure gimmick movie but what a great one. Jacky Chan had the idea of making a film where the majority of action incorporated breaking glass. The result is Police Story. The action in this film reset the bar for body abusing stunts. The pace and innovation in the fight scenes are unparalleled.

Those are my picks.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Let's not forget Rapid Fire with Brandon Lee, arguably the best American martial art film ever made...

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:54 AM

GORAMMAN


Rapid Fire was very good but I wouldn't call it the best American martial arts movie. Brandon Lee was definately a full package action star. It's funny that you mentioned Rapid Fire because a couple of the fight scenes were direct copies of scenes from Police Story. The scene in the loft where he rams the guy with the motor cycle and the one where he uses a rolling clothes rack as a weapon were ideas Jacky used 10 years earlier. It's always been said that he did it to pay homage to Jacky.

I have a very hard time making a distinction between American martial arts films and Asian martial arts films because the American films copy (or co-opt) the Asian style so much. It's like calling Wal-Mart an American store. Doesn't sit right with me.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:28 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GoramMan:
Rapid Fire was very good but I wouldn't call it the best American martial arts movie.

Name a better one, and don't say Matrix, that was Yuen Woo Ping, so it's essentially Chinese.
Quote:

The scene in the loft where he rams the guy with the motor cycle and the one where he uses a rolling clothes rack as a weapon were ideas Jacky used 10 years earlier.
Yeah, I was always aware of that- like the motorcycle chase in Armor Of God was lifted by Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Jackie tests it, Americans steal it
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I have a very hard time making a distinction between American martial arts films and Asian martial arts films

Simple until The Matrix, now it's a mixed breed....

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:29 AM

LYSANDER


If you are looking for good fight scenes definitely The Legend of Drunken Master or Ong Bak. If you are looking for the whole package movie it would have to be House of Flying Daggers. Iron Monkey also is a pretty good movie.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:50 AM

DUG



Greatest story ever told plus martial arts can only mean one thing:

Venusian Ai-Kido as practiced by Jon Pertwee's version of the Doctor.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by lysander:
If you are looking for good fight scenes definitely The Legend of Drunken Master

If you can see the original Chinese "Drunken Master II", by all means do it- the musical score was awesome- the American version has just okay music.
This is the only place I know has it:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.821/qx/details.htm

They're also getting Tai Chi Master soon- my favourite Jet Lee movie.


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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:06 AM

KIRKULES


I can't watch any martial arts movie without comparing the lead actor to Bruce Lee. I really like Jackie Chan and Jet Lee, but Bruce Lee was the greatest of all time. So obviously the best Martial arts move has to have Bruce Lee. I'd probably say Fists of Fury and Enter the Dragon are the best.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:16 AM

ZEROKIRYU


I'm gonna have to go with The Five Deadly Venoms.

And since we're bringing up Jet Li, I'm gonna throw the Once Upon A Time In China films out there. Especially the second on with Donnie Yen.

And now I have to mention SPL A.K.A Killzone in the US. Donnie Yen VS. Sammo Hung...Awesome!!

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:42 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'd probably say Fists of Fury and Enter the Dragon are the best.

Nah. Way Of The Dragon...that was astounding, all his other stuff was merely awesome by comparison.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:52 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
The Last Dragon

Bruce Leroy!!!



Once again, proving your coolness. I thought I was the only person who'd seen that one.

I wouldn't call this "great" necessarily, but it's worth a look. It's called Six-String Samurai, with Jeffery Falcon. Cheesy as hell, but some of the fight scenes were pretty cool.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:46 PM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
For raw fight awesomeness, I say DRUNKEN MASTER II (aka Legend Of The Drunken Master)!!!



Drunken Master totally owns Drunken Master II.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:43 PM

HAKEN

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Once Upon a Time in China I,II,III with Jet Li.

Haken.

BTW, there's a Martial Arts section on Shiny Universe. Nothing but trailers now, but maybe when the site is done, there will be some pretty cool discussions.

http://www.shinyuniverse.net/planet.aspx?pid=18

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:

Drunken Master totally owns Drunken Master II.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Oh.

You're NOT kidding...

Nowayisall

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:33 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:
Once Upon a Time in China I,II,III with Jet Li.


Great stuff (I'm kinda glad you didn't include IV in there...)

Classic Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


In the 70's they used to show a lot of kung-fu movies all the time on late nite & Sat TV. I guess I'm sentimental to those days as compared to modern movies. I liked :

The Chinatown Kid ( w/ Alexander Fu Sheng )
The Kid With The Golden Arm
Street Gangs of Hong Kong

Alexander Fu Sheng made a lot of these movies, and I don't know any titles except the above. I liked his style and charisma more than anybody I've ever seen since Bruce Lee.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Jong, you're so old school

No pause in the action Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Jong, you're so old school

No pause in the action Chrisisall


I reckon I am at that. I'm not one to jump on bandwagons or go with anything new so fast. Someday we'll ALL be talking and writing about Firefly, and future folks are gonna call us old school and sentimentalists. A'int the worst thing in the world...right? I did enjoy very much Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon...so I'm not totally stuck in the 60's & 70's.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I did enjoy very much Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon...

But did you see Hero? Man, THAT was a movie....

*snif*Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:48 AM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
In the 70's they used to show a lot of kung-fu movies all the time on late nite & Sat TV.



Where I grew up it was called Kung Fu Theatre. My brother and I spent an endless amount of time watching these masterpieces. Each film seemed to have an old, blind guy with long white hair and matching beard. When the bad guys messed with him they were in for a bad time. A lot of the more entertaining films had characters who used very unusual weaponry.

Glad to see someone mention Fiver Deadly Venoms. Definitely a classic.

I recently bought a movie called Seven Grand Masters. Very good old school kung fu movie.

For modern films you just can't beat Hero.

I have to give an honorable mention to the sequence between The Bride and Pai Mei in Kill Bill Volume 2. It is an excellent homage to the kung fu I grew up with.


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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:

I have to give an honorable mention to the sequence between The Bride and Pai Mei in Kill Bill Volume 2. It is an excellent homage to the kung fu I grew up with.



Classic Yuen Woo Ping.

He also did Michelle Yeoh's movie Wing Chun- a perfect blend of old & new school, really, most excellent.

Not dubbed Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I did enjoy very much Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon...

But did you see Hero? Man, THAT was a movie....

*snif*Chrisisall


I respect your opinion on these things so I will see Hero sometime soon. Thanks for the heads up.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:26 AM

NEWBROWNCOAT


Check out Perfect Weapon for a great American made martial arts movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102655/

It stared Jeff Speakman, at the time, a real 4th degree Kenpo blackbelt, and was choreographed by one of the very founders of American martial arts Ed Parker. The movie was a classic martial arts movie, revenge and all that. But the fight scenes were very true to Kenpo and they were not only great, but very realistic. One interesting fun-fact, it also had a small part by Mariska Hargitay, a big star these days in "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit".

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:42 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Can't believe no one's mentioned Billy Jack...




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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:46 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
You're NOT kidding...



Not in the least.

The original has characters you care about, a plot that actually makes sense, genuine humor, tense fights, and a lot of underdog charm. II has better production values and more gimmicks and that's about it.



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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
II has better production values and more gimmicks

Oh, and wicked better fight scenes- you forgot that.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:17 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


The cool part is all the Billy Jack films featured some form of martial arts scenes.

"You really think all those Green Beret Karate tricks are gonna help you against all these boys?"

What is dumb things to say to the good guy before you get kicked upside the head?

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:24 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
II has better production values and more gimmicks

Oh, and wicked better fight scenes- you forgot that.



More gimmicky fighting. Also generally more tedious and frequently less important to the story.

David

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:

More gimmicky fighting. Also generally more tedious and frequently less important to the story.


What flick did YOU see again? Drunken Master 3? No no no, ya gotta see 2!!! 3 was everything you said...

It also help immensely if you see the Chinese cut, not the "Legend" one.

Drunken Master was funnier, and endlessly creative (as well being as a true classic), however, DM2 was just balls-out more frenetic & cool.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:54 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
What flick did YOU see again? Drunken Master 3? No no no, ya gotta see 2!!! 3 was everything you said...



So was 2.

Quote:

It also help immensely if you see the Chinese cut, not the "Legend" one.


Perhaps this is the problem? Does the story make more sense in the Chinese cut? Are the fights trimmed down to a less tedious length? Do they actually matter to the story more often than not?

Quote:

Drunken Master was funnier, and endlessly creative (as well being as a true classic), however, DM2 was just balls-out more frenetic & cool.


So you agree that the original was better. Glad to hear it.

David

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:10 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:


So you agree that the original was better. Glad to hear it.


How dare you use my tactics against me

Yeah, okay, so the story in 2 wasn't all there, but the fights were so slick & well photographed....

I played the dubbed version (on dvd) of the original once, and boy was that unintentionally hi-larious. So many curses that were weirdly used. It was a different dub than the tape I'd owned for years...and that was already a funny dubbing.

Chris...isALL!

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:42 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
In the 70's they used to show a lot of kung-fu movies all the time on late nite & Sat TV.



Each film seemed to have an old, blind guy with long white hair and matching beard. When the bad guys messed with him they were in for a bad time. A lot of the more entertaining films had characters who used very unusual weaponry.




Master of the Flying Guillotine


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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:51 AM

JLIN


Karate Kid!

I know you all are saying "Wax On, Wax Off" in your heads right now.


(Can you tell I don't watch Martial Arts Movies)

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:52 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:


So you agree that the original was better. Glad to hear it.


How dare you use my tactics against me

Yeah, okay, so the story in 2 wasn't all there, but the fights were so slick & well photographed....

I played the dubbed version (on dvd) of the original once, and boy was that unintentionally hi-larious. So many curses that were weirdly used. It was a different dub than the tape I'd owned for years...and that was already a funny dubbing.



My copy has a weird thing going where it'll switch between the original soundtrack and the English dub at unpredictable intervals. Luckily the subtitles stay in place so I can follow the story. But yeah the dubbing for the early Hong Kong films tends to be rather comical. Frequently unintentionally so.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:06 PM

CHRISISALL


On the NEW martial art front- I rented Killzone (aka SPL) a while back- excellent choreography by Donnie Yen, great acting by Sammo Hung, but kinda silly 'gritty-ness' regarding the mean mob stuff...for HK junkies only (of which I am one).

Rented Dragon Tiger Gate for 2nite- I'll let ya know.....

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Thursday, May 1, 2008 9:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Dragon Tiger Gate was the s**t!!! What a cool comic book-like movie! If you liked 2002 or Avenging Fist (two other cool HK fistfests I love) you'll groove to this one too. Now I have to buy it....
Donnie Yen does it again!

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Thursday, May 1, 2008 1:26 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Gorramit Chris. Now I may have to resubscribe to BBOnline. Too many movies I still want to see that are never in at the video store.

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Thursday, May 1, 2008 1:38 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Gorramit Chris. Now I may have to resubscribe to BBOnline.

Blockbuster online? You can always just take my word for it and just buy movies I recommend from Amazon or HKFLIX...
Quote:

Too many movies I still want to see that are never in at the video store.


Well, there's one that won't be in at my Blockbuster...my rental receipt says I can own Dragon Tiger Gate for "Only $14.99 more", and that makes it the cheapest way to purchase it!!!!! (Don't fret for anyone here- they got 2 copies for rent, and I'll bet I'm the only kung-fu nut in this part of Mass that's even heard of this movie anyway...).

TigerChrisisall

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Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:48 PM

PEULSAR5

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Am I the only one who remembers American Ninja? Or did I miss it in a previous post?

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Thursday, May 1, 2008 9:12 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by Peulsar5:
Am I the only one who remembers American Ninja? Or did I miss it in a previous post?



Holy crap! I haven't thought about that one in years. Actually forced my mom to take me to see it in the theatre. The fight scenes were actually pretty good which is saying something because I don't think Micheal Dudikoff had a lick of martial arts training going into the film.

Chris, make a list and I'll try to follow some of your recommendations. I haven't been keeping up with martial arts films for a good long while. I mean I've seen the more popular ones over the last few years but I'm sure a great deal more have slipped past unnoticed.

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Friday, May 2, 2008 3:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:

Chris, make a list


By your command.

Chrisisall's Martial Favourites (I had to own 'em)

Wing Chun (Michelle Yeoh/ Donnie Yen)
Tai Chi Master (Jet Li)
Naked Weapon (Maggie Q)
Avenging Fist (Sammo Hung)
The One (Jet Li)
Timecop: The Berlin Decision (Jason Scott Lee)
2002 (Nicholas Tse)
Hero (Jet Li)
Dragon Tiger Gate (Donnie Yen/ Nicholas Tse)
Magnificent Warriors (Michelle Yeoh)
Hot War (Kelly Chen, Ekin Cheng)
The Touch (Michelle Yeoh)*
Silver Hawk (Michelle Yeoh)*
Enter The Dragon (guess)
Rapid Fire (Brandon Lee)
On Deadly Ground (Steven Seagal)*
Police Story 1 & 2, Supercop, Dragons Forever, Operation Condor, Armor Of God, Shanghai Noon, Shanghai Knights, Rush Hour 1, 2, & 3, Who Am I?, Accidental Spy, Drunken Master 2/Legend Of The Drunken Master, The Medallion*, Robin-B-Hood*, Thunderbolt* (some guy named 'Chan')

The movies with an * denote flicks that I like for particular reasons (not so good martial arts but good story/funny/I'm a Jackie fan, etc.) and may not be everyone's cup of Earle Gray.


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Friday, May 2, 2008 4:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Peulsar5:
Am I the only one who remembers American Ninja?

Man, I was in the theatre for that one...as well as Kill Or Be Killed, Kill And Kill Again, Street Knight, Firecracker, Angel Fist...all them low-budget knuckle-jobs...

Carbon Dated Chrisisall

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Friday, May 2, 2008 5:21 AM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Kill Or Be Killed, Kill And Kill Again



Has anyone seen Mr. Chase? EYIYIEE, EYAH! Seriously what was up with his war cry?

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Friday, May 2, 2008 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by singate:


Has anyone seen Mr. Chase? EYIYIEE, EYAH! Seriously what was up with his war cry?

You actually SAW those movies too???

Disbelieving Chrisisall

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Friday, May 2, 2008 5:30 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You actually SAW those movies too???

Disbelieving Chrisisall



Not in the theatre but on HBO. Perhaps I lose points for that. Steve Chase may have been the hero but my favorite character was The Fly.

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