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Planetary Government

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Friday, April 18, 2008 2:44 PM

ASIANSOLO


Question for the group : Which planet is the Firefly's verse main government on ? Is it Londinum or Sihnon or neither ? Let me know.

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:44 PM

PIRATECAT


In the role playing book it explains in great detail. The two cultures west and east are together as a united goverment. Londonium is the main parliament that gets things done. Shinon is the religous, artsy, and excuetive branch of goverment centers. Border planets like Shadow were agriculture and ranching. Persephone was an industrial center. Ariel was a medical center. The outer rim moons and planets are just dust bowls. They all were independent till the war now they are under the laws of the Alliance.


"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:09 PM

SPACEANJL


My take.

'Londinium. There are buttresses and gargoyles, mullions and tapering arches - when the sun sets just right, the panes of glass seem to catch fire and blaze. A cathedral of Government, designed to awe, designed to stir pride and civic duty in the breasts of its citizens. Architecture on a majestic scale, all that was grand and eloquent in the history of Mankind.

There is a clock face, that stares, blank and bland, proclaiming Time across the Central Plaza. But behind that, the atomic pulse that is the heartbeat of the Alliance sends out its dominion. This is the measure of all things, this and no other.

But because people are people, in the square below, there are coffee shops and souvenir stalls, noodle sellers and wine bars. In the very shadow of Parliament, you can buy a tacky t-shirt and get ripped off for a mass-produced muffin and a soy latte.'

Think the Houses of Parliament, but on a much bigger scale. More like Burton's Gotham. This is the hub of political power.


I'm working on Sihnon, but I think something along the lines of Shanghai, filtered through Blade Runner. As Inara said, a City of Lights, elegant airy towers that manage an impression of ethereal grace, whilst hiding an anthill of industrious humanity. And in the midst of these towers, walls that disguise their strength with flowers, gardens bright with sinous rills, and elegant sweeping rooflines, architecture of a design old on Earth That Was, bright with paint and golden statues. It would take a great deal of wealth and power to maintain a peaceful garden on this world, with its flood of busy people. This world is Trade, Commerce, bright and loud.


....Give me a planet name, and I will return to you a world.

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Monday, April 21, 2008 2:08 AM

LTSHEPARD


Boros


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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:59 AM

SPACEANJL


Boros - a world of heavy industry and hard living. The Sanchez brothers have their shipyard here, one amongst many, in a skyline of cranes and gantries. Buildings here lack the grace of the Core Worlds and the public parks have that indefinable air of greyness to the green. Not as dusty as some worlds, not as poor, but a place that values function over style. Near enough to Core living to have schools and hospitals and roads, but solid blue-collar. And just occassionally amidst the concrete, a bright flag of colour, pots of herbs on a windowsill, a Sunday dress hung to dry.

Havana crossed with old Chicago. If Santeria survives, this is its heartland. Because this is the world where Jayne got Book's cigars.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:02 AM

LTSHEPARD


Just tell me when you don't want to do this (Thanks for Boros by the way):

Ares


98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.
Oram: Simon's real name is Simone!

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:19 AM

SPACEANJL


I can do this one quickly, but I'm attending erratically at present - (can't use my study at home, so am borrowing computers...) However, I'll always try and reply when I can find the thread!

With a name like Ares... Quite a lot of artfully broken skyline here, and the constellations move rather more than you might expect. This is not a world upon which you can land casually. This is West Point, Norfolk, Sandhurst, Camp Curry, Salisbury Plain...A warm world, that would be dusty, if it were not regimented, polished and whitewashed. Trim lawns, buildings that lack grace or style, but have strength in their uncompromising blockiness. And then - odd, dusty little border towns that have never even been lived in to be deserted, swampland rife with hidden eyes, a patchwork of other worlds, cheek by jowl and riven by the sound of conflict. This is no world of peace. The average age of the inhabitants here - nineteen. And so many of the older residents move stiffly, limbs they were not born with, skin tones that do not quite match up in odd lines and patches. This place too has hospitals, and in some quiet rooms, there are those who cry out their remaining days, or stare blankly at what man can do to man.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:46 PM

SCHO


Dyton?


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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:58 PM

SPACEANJL


A poorer world, but quite an early one. It was originally a colony for those who didn't quite fit into the clean and tidy world of the Core. Nothing as crude as a prison colony, just...a world that was a bit more difficult to leave than some. The folk here are a bit more individual in their outlook, tend to think that a Dyton man's home is his castle. It rains a lot.

And considering the age of the colony, the style of the architecture is similar to Londinium, but not as well maintained. The word 'Dickensian' might flit through an onlooker's mind, should he be acquainted with that very old literature. However, standing to admire the view would not be recommended. One of the locals is likely to either pick your pocket, or dispense with subtlety and simply mug you.

Or, even more worryingly, they will try to sell you street food.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:04 AM

SCHO


I also thought it was heavily British based?


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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:21 AM

SPACEANJL


Yeah - an Englishman's home is his castle? Also, the 'rains a lot' bit.

Some of the dodgier areas of Outer, particularly East, London still have the remains of some beautiful old buildings. Mostly they are now given over to flats, turned into shops, basically recycled. I'm thinking of wet stone, iron railings with the paint peeling off, blistered doors and dirty windows. Lots of narrow streets and courtyards, quite probably with washing strung across.

Limehouse in the age of Dickens had a large Chinese population, mainly running opium dens for the sailors. So...dark cellars filled with dreams.

And the street food - dodgy kebabs, deep-fried anything (fish for preference) and possibly jellied eels. (you need a lot of vinegar.)

Badger is at home in that little warren of rooms on Persephone. Everyone lives up close and personal, but you always have your own front door.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:20 AM

SCHO


Thanks, you're an anjl.

(Nathaniel Schofield, my character is supposed to be Britsh decendent, born on Dyton.)


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Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:02 AM

SPACEANJL


Well, I'm the real deal, one of the small band of British Browncoats around, so if you want any explanation of Anglo-weirdness you come across, let me know.

(Drink tea instead of coffee, don't pick up the ball in football, drive on the other side of the road, that sort of thing.)

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:09 AM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
so if you want any explanation of Anglo-weirdness you come across, let me know.




HUSH! ThE WoRLD iS NoT YeT ReAdY...

(brilliant thread though!)

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:14 AM

SPACEANJL


*Smiles a reassuring smile, and beckons with one finger*

Come over to the Anglo side, we won't hurt you...


'soup of the evening, beautiful soup...'

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:25 PM

RUGER


What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.

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Friday, June 27, 2008 2:08 PM

SCHO


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
...don't pick up the ball in football, drive on the other side of the road, that sort of thing.)



My best mate was English, he introduced me to soccer as football. It stuck in my mind.


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Friday, June 27, 2008 4:41 PM

TILLIESONG


Ta very much for the Alice reference. As a child, I had a recording of the book, and the Mock Turtle actually sang the song on the record. Thank you for pulling that melody out of my memory banks.

By the bye, is it only Brits and some Angophiles (or maybe only Londoners?) that know what an area is? I still have a scar on my forehead from tumbling down the area steps when I was a toddler...


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Monday, June 30, 2008 8:55 AM

SPACEANJL


Stoketown Station -

A waystation for ships heading out, the original asteroid is lost somewhere beneath gantries, cranes, huge cisterns and pipework you could fly a small shuttle through. Some of them run through the rock. If there was ever any water on the surface, it has long since been turned to steam, which jets out like the breath of hell. There is very little of anything natural left here; even the noises are industrial, steam hammers, thrumming pipes under pressure, the air all hot carbon. However, the sunsets are fabulous.

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Monday, June 30, 2008 9:14 AM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Stoketown Station -

A waystation for ships heading out etc...



i see a great opportunity for a firefly/sapphire and steel crossover.

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Monday, June 30, 2008 11:42 PM

SCHO


I also found this on Boros:

Boros – the junkyard of the Alliance. Not its official name, of course – but that was pretty much what it was, truth be told. It had no unique claim except for the vast scrap fields which the Alliance constantly refurbished with broken parts and junk, as well as perfectly usable tools that just didn’t meet the rigorous qualifications of the Alliance fleet. Wouldn’t want an Alliance city-cruiser to fall apart just because someone only used half-decent bolts on the grav stabilisers, would we?…Probably best if you don’t answer that. Don’t want to get involved in politics, do we now? Not with those aforementioned city-cruisers still floating around up above our heads, at any rate.




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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 1:39 AM

NCBROWNCOAT


SpaceAnjl, You are amazing. It's gift to be able to describe worlds that exist only in another persons brain and get it right IMHO.

Tiny bit of an Anglophile myself, being Southern and Episcoplian but with a bit of New World rebellion thrown in. I think I'd fit best on one of the main towns (no cities exist, the planet is very rural) on Shadow.



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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 5:26 AM

SPACEANJL


Yeah, Shadow is 'Lonesome Dove' writ large.

A sky big as freedom, and places where you can sit on your porch and watch your dog run away for three days. The MidWest as it should have been. No 'Injuns', no slavery, all just folks getting by.

Or it was.


edit: of course, the reason that I can see these worlds so well is because (my theory, anyhow) Joss uses my brain to store his ideas when he's not using them.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 3:24 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


SpaceAnjl,
Can I borrow Joss's ideas a minute?

I see Shadow more as central Texas along the I-35 corridor from south of Dallas south to San Antonio.

Rolling hills covered with grass and scrub trees. Rivers and creeks fed by springs that create swimming holes along the way. And refreshed by rain that comes in buckets with enough thunder, lightning and wind to rattle your teeth.

A land where a person with just a credit or two to their name can be just as successful in a few years as the person that landed with a pocketful of credits just by working harder. And if you need a helping hand, all you have to do is ask your neighbors, or sometimes they just show up.

Small towns with just a general store, a church of course, maybe a bank or if the town folks can afford it, a small school for the kids.

Very independent people that nevertheless work together very well.

That to me is where Mal came from.

Now just some Tejas trivia. Texas is the only state that can legally succeed because it was once an independent nation, the Republic of Texas. And it has it's own Serenity Valley/Gettysburg in The Alamo. The heroes, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie and all the others that died there are still revered today.

I spent 3 years in Killeen, TX, about an hour north of Austin on the I-35 corridor at Ft. Hood as a military spouse. I felt so comfortable and welcome where ever I went in Texas Even the big cities had a down home flavor.








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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 10:47 PM

SPACEANJL


That really sounds like it - although Alan and Summer are the real Texans, I think Mal has some of that Lone Star spirit.

I'm now imagining a very young Mal, flinching a little from the storm, but being a 'big boy', and counting between the lightening and the thunder.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:05 PM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:

I'm now imagining a very young Mal, flinching a little from the storm, but being a 'big boy', and counting between the lightening and the thunder.



back on shadow, tender aged and racing to his mother gleeful of his prize, racing from the woman’s yard where he and a few other children used to play – racing through the unexpected summer storm, racing with the soggy picture held tight and crumpled… and his ma looking down upon it and saying, “Ah hell Mal, it aint but ink running now”… and the colours had seeped with the rain and the colours had leaked together, leaked out of the picture and into his hands, onto his fingers, the same, the very same fingers he watched now…

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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:25 PM

SCHO


I hope you don't mind, SpaceANJL, but I've added your description of Dyton to Schofield's bio.

EDIT: I also noticed that the Shinon description was just a brief, do you have anything more then that?


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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:40 PM

SPACEANJL


Not a lot more yet - that was from a fic in progress that I'm returning to, once I get the joint WytchAnJL thing I'm on finished.

I can give you a few more ideas about the the feel of the place, though. There is a rail system, very clean, very fast, where the guards try to keep the noodle-sellers and the poor off the station concourse. Street-level is where the action is. Clean glass and steel and hanging greenery from a distance, and then a bright confusion of stalls, people, tiny rickshaws with hover-engines at the front weaving in and out of the smarter traffic. The tech is there, the ad screens and the like, but the aesthetic is deliberately old-fashioned, scarlet and gilt and dragons.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2008 12:06 AM

SCHO


An elegant blade runer...


Sounds slightly familiar with a story I wrote for my English teacher once.


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Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:08 AM

MOBBEX


Wow, great stuff SpaceAnjl! Really helpful, too.

How about Bernadette ?




Secret Agent Stan: The ducks have settled in the coffee shop......

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Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:40 AM

SPACEANJL


Bernadette - is the administrative centre for emigration. The terraforming didn't quite work as well as it could on this asteroid - all the living is under domes. Outside is rock and scree, and thin cold air ripped by sleety wind.

Inside the domes, it is the Core dream. Wide walkways through manicured parks. Neat little restaurants and boutiques (nothing so common as a mere shop) Everything is quiet and peaceful and clean and ordered, from waking up in your neat little apartment, to the neat order of the quiet, clean mag-train through the communal spaces to the clean, orderly cubicle where you work.

It's so dull, you could gnaw your leg off with boredom.

Even the emigration is orderly, waiting in the great drafty halls, or the tidy barracks, to go through the gate to new worlds. Of course, there is no credence given to the idea of Reavers, nasty myth propogated by the rebels, because the Alliance would never send its people out into danger, or allow them to be used as indentured labour, or sent to worlds with dodgy terraforming...


(My OC lived on Bernadette for a while, processing supply dockets. She still has the odd nightmare about being back in a cubicle hell.)

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Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:48 PM

SCHO


Do you have any idea were some Scottish decendants might be?

(Thanks in advance, I love your stuff)


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Thursday, July 3, 2008 3:20 AM

SPACEANJL


The Scots get everywhere! Like many other cultural groups that have apparently been assimilated into the mainstream, they still survive. On Londinium, there are enclaves of folk who maintain old family traditions. The area known as Albion has a large number of what would once have been English and Scots-Irish folk.

Further afield, they can be found on any rugged planet, mining, engineering or farming. On worlds like Harvest, you are as likely to come across a MacDonald or a McTavish as you are a Li or a Chang.

(Oddly enough, the world of Aberdeen is rather more multi-cultural, and if anything, rather more Sihnese than otherwise - named after the harbour in HongKong, this is where the big shipping lines are based.)

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Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:00 PM

TREYBOR

Yes...I am that Sean Kennedy.


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruger:
What can be said about:
Stoketown Station
And more directly what can be said of the surrounding worlds??, have yet to locate it.
Asteroids can be like that.



I always thought it would be located in the motherlode asteroid belt

Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Stoketown Station -

A waystation for ships heading out, the original asteroid is lost somewhere beneath gantries, cranes, huge cisterns and pipework you could fly a small shuttle through. Some of them run through the rock. If there was ever any water on the surface, it has long since been turned to steam, which jets out like the breath of hell. There is very little of anything natural left here; even the noises are industrial, steam hammers, thrumming pipes under pressure, the air all hot carbon. However, the sunsets are fabulous.



That's an amazing write up. Thanks for putting my creating in such a good light.


Treybor: (tray-bOr)n - That dude who ceated the Serenity Modeling Tutorial http://www.foundation3d.com/index.php?categoryid=38&p13_sectionid=375

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Friday, March 20, 2009 10:36 AM

ANOTHERSKY


Piratecat: NICE advert. I would like a sip of liquid sunshine, except I think it would fry my brains. Or some such thing. "It'll blow your mind..."
Hmmm...:D

"I think we lost our fuzzy dice back there."
"Going for a ride."

Another Sky

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Friday, March 20, 2009 10:38 AM

ANOTHERSKY


Awesome thread, we need some fleshing out of those rocks in space. Hopefully saintful rocks...(ok, ok, "canonized"..."canon"...eh, lame I know...)

Another Sky

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Asiansolo:
Question for the group : Which planet is the Firefly's verse main government on ? Is it Londinum or Sihnon or neither ? Let me know.


The White Paper was released last month. It notes that Bernadette has the home office of the Alliance Colony & Settlement Authority.
I think the Map of the Verse has mention of things for Londinium and Sihnon, I'll take another look.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by Asiansolo:
Question for the group : Which planet is the Firefly's verse main government on ? Is it Londinum or Sihnon or neither ? Let me know.


The White Paper was released last month. It notes that Bernadette has the home office of the Alliance Colony & Settlement Authority.
I think the Map of the Verse has mention of things for Londinium and Sihnon, I'll take another look.



Map of the Verse lists a few things.
Capitals of the Core (White Sun) are Londinium and Sihnon. Capitals of Georgia System are Athens and Hera. Red Sun is Jiangyin. Kalidasa is Beaumonde. Blue Sun is Meridian.

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