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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Ever gotten salmonella from PB&J?

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There is not a single nutrient unique to meat that can be taken up by the human digestive system

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Not one of your evolutary ancestors was a meat eating predatory, contrary to oopular myth.

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If there's no humane way to to do this, than just don't do it.

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How is it a myth that humans have canine teeth and forward-facing eyes? These are traits found in predators.

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That would be one of the myths I grew up with. It turned out that actual research into our actual ancestors showed that there weren't any predators in it, which is why we can't digest meat-based nutrients.

Time and time again when a meat-based essential nutrient comes up that we should take as a supplement, little if any of it will enter our bloodstream, because we have no mechanism for taking it up. Instead, we end up synthesizing it ourselves from underlying core components, but ignore that which is in our diet. I've run into this so many times now in herbalism that it can't be a coincidence.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I've done a ton of research into this one and I have to say that hands down they are correct. Omnivore diet is based on fruits nuts seeds and berries. My favorite quote on this I read was from an article on squirrel diet vs. mouse, rabbit, etc. "For the omnivore, eating meat is an act of desperation."

That about sums it up. If you want to know why we have canines, that would be it. So that we can eat meat instead of starve.

Our immediate ancestors are of course a vegetarian species with eyes facing forward. Eyes will face forward if you have hands and no predators of your own. If something preys on you, then eyes will not face forward. Squirrels for instance, have eyes that don't face forward.

Eyes move, they tend to move towards the top of your head. They move forward when you have a use for depth perception. Think how difficult it would be to pick thinks up without depth perception. That's a pretty major survival advantage it would seem. It's also pretty much the same as a one eyed human.

Frogs and fish are predators, yet their eyes face sideways. It's not about whether you hunt, it's about whether someone hunts you.

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No humane way? Cage-free, free-range, grass-fed... all these exist in the meat industry. They may not be the standard, but one can opt for such things.
Farmed fish, by the way, tend to lack the essential fatty acids that make fish healthful.

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Good point. Fish get the fish oil from the seaweed, they don't synthesize it themselves, so it matters what the fish are being fed.

Still, the above meat description is the most horrendously environmentally destructive idea. Humans, if they act as a predator, would kill the planet pretty quickly.

The eyes have it:

Vicious predator?


Herbivore?


Where the eye myth comes from is that people spend too much of their time analyzing life on land rather than in the sea where it evolved. On land, virtually all the major predators are apex predators which is to say that they are not also prey. If you're not prey, you can have eyes facing foward.

A human is much more similar to a wombat than a shark, but even a shark has to worry about being eaten.



We're all basically relatives of mice and such.


The source of B12 is actually neither, it is only synthesized by single celled organisms like bacteria and yeast. It also cannot be taken up by the human digestive tract, but is absorbed by the mouth, telling a story as to how it got into our systems.

The more I research the more I am convinced that we're a vegetarian species descended from a long line of vegetarian species. That said, we also evolved in the central Sahara, an environment we completely destroyed, so some of our essential nutrients may not even exist anymore. Who knows what human ailments are actually vitamin X deficiencies where X only exists in species destroyed a quarter million years ago.


The science is pretty clear, in fact, increasingly through my research I find it to be pretty much one sided, there's not a lot of room for controversy and debate. Also, there are political impacts to consider. If you really want a free range fed meat eating human race, then you're going to have to go with the rockefeller plan to depopulate the planet, and reduce us to 250 million humans or so, because it's an incredibly inefficient way to get nutrients, and incredibly destructive to the planet. If you go that route, I would have to agree with the rockefellers: Who cares how they die? I mean. Using eugenics is probably too slow as a means of killing off the species, just killing us in a massive slaughter is probably a healthier option.

Or, you can accept the scientific reality that we are a subspecies of fieldmouse and ergo the population is in no threat, our biomass levels still have a fair degree of growth to go before we represent a threat to the ecosystem.

It's not our population, it's our behavior that's the problem. 3/4 of all rainforest destruction is not done for the wood or the resources, it's done by the meat industry.

Meat eating will increase the rate of aging, shortening your life expectancy by an average of 14 years. It will also introduce myriad diseases.

The only way a peanut gets salmonella is because there's an animal in it. Try not to eat bugs. There's a reason your body has an instinctive reaction to maggots in your food. They're not a source of protein, despite the perennial joke, they're mostly undigestible collagen and polysaccharides, but what they are is a major source of diseases.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Humans are opportunistic omnivores, we're built to eat any damn thing we can get our hands on, and will adapt within a pretty broad range to what is available over time.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Pigs and cows are not my problem now

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Last winter I saw a squirrel with a mouse in its mouth. I gather he woke up, and there was no food, so mouse it was.

I was also watching the squirrels hunt for nuts they had buried and it struck me how much like an easter egg hunt it was, and that this was probably the origin of the game.

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