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Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent... John Lovitz ?

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:34 AM

AURAPTOR

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Those crazed wackos on the extremist, far Right!

LOL!

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Only bothered with the first couple of minutes, which was quite stupid enough. The vast majority of people who are being asked to pay their share DID NOT get there by scraping and earning that money, we all know that. And his crack that he has to pay 50 cents of every dollar he makes is completely asinine. Not even amusing satire, just stupid, as John Lovitz always is, in my opinion. 'Nuff said.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:04 AM

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Dismiss it out of hand all you'd like Niki, but Lovitz is a Dem, who voted for Obama. He's relaying some genuine displeasure here, and despite your disagreement, you've not really offered anything to counter what he says.

Other than to say ' Un - uh! Is not! '.

I don't know that Lovitz isn't paying 50%. That's HIM saying it, so why would he lie ? And my guess is that he's making more than the minimum to qualify for the " 1% " crowd.

If a Jew and Democrat, who lived in NY and voted for Obama, is this peeved at Obama,( and not because Obama hasn't been LEFT enough ) one has to wonder what the middle of the road types think.

( And despite the recent thawing and era of good feelings here on the board - we knew it'd never last, right ? - I still had to post this. No offense, meant, just thought it curious , is all )





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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:57 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent... John Lovitz



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:03 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent... John Lovitz



What is PirateNew's dream foursome?



Swing & miss.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sorry, I don't buy your "just thought it curios". Far too much over-simplification, far too common an attempt to diss Obama, and weird references to Jews (what's THAT about?!).

I did refute it:
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majority of people who are being asked to pay their share DID NOT get there by scraping and earning that money, we all know that.
That refuted his "fuck you" about people who come here, work hard, and "make it" being screwed by taxes. It's simply not true: It was ONCE, but not any more. Want more? From Forbes:
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Forbes Magazine likes to herald its reports on the wealthiest Americans as demonstrating the realization of the American dream: that one can go from rags to riches. For Forbes, the Horatio Alger story is the true story of America.

But careful identification of how Forbes' centi-millionaires and billionaires attained their wealth tells a different account of the plebeian origins of the richest Americans. Half of those on the Forbes 400 list started their economic careers by inheriting businesses or substantial wealth. Of these, most inherited sufficient wealth to put them immediately into Forbes' heaven. Only three out of ten on the Forbes list can be regarded as self-starters whose parents did not have great wealth or own a business with more than a few employees.

The data, then, do not support the assumption that the United States is a true meritocracy where the most able rise to their rightful positions. Nor do they defend the contention that the United States is structured so that authentic equality of opportunity prevails. Inheritances undermine the achievement-reward equation. http://www.faireconomy.org/press_room/1997/born_on_third_base_sources_
of_wealth_of_1997_forbes_400
to his screaming about 50% in taxes, that is simply impossible:
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The top marginal tax rate on ordinary income is 35.5 percent. Much of the earnings of those in the top income bracket come from capital gains, interest and dividends, which are taxed at 15 percent. Wiki
That's before ANY deductions; in other words, nobody pays more then 35%. The tax rate hasn't been 50% since 1982.

Even if the Bush tax cuts expired, I BELIEVE it would jump to 42%--I read that somewhere but I'm not sure about it. Ergo, 50% on a dollar has no meaning whatsoever.

Not only that, but Lovitz said "This whole thing with Obama saying the rich don't pay their taxes is fucking bullshit"--that is in no way what Obama said; he knows it, you know it and I know it. Given the incredible discrepancy between what the rich pay and what the rest of us pay (when you figure into it what they pay on capital gains--which is where most of the money is made by many/most of them) and all the ways they have of avoiding paying the 35%, currently they pay far LESS than their fair share, any way you look at it. Which I know you don't; but in my opinion that's your own blindness. What I see of the numerical FACTS is what convinces me.

As to his being a Jew (which has WHAT to do with anything?) and a Democrat (yes, of course, we're all identical, we all feel the same about everything...? /snark), those aren't worth debating; again, they mean nothing whatsoever. That he's disappointed in Obama doesn't surprise me, many are, but the REASONS they're disappointed are things I don't give much weight to. Those who thought he was somehow going to come in and reverse eight years of insanity in two or three were delusional; those who expected wonders out of him bought into some kind of fantasy. I wouldn't expect ANY President to be able to fix this country as fast as people wanted, and I damned well KNOW McCain wouldn't have done any better! Only those who still believe in Trickle-Down think it's not actually Tinkle-Down with the rich getting richer while they piss on the rest of us.

What you're not understanding is that Lovitz is a COMEDIAN. Comedians exaggerate everything, and most comedians are angry people...look it up. He was pissed, so his pissedness comes out in a rant. Lovitz isn't the quietest of people, nor in my opinion is he the brightest or the most civil. He's certainly got a right to his opinions, but I don't find reason to give dthem much weight. Aside from which, I don't like any public figure calling any President a fucking asshole and I'm not impressed by people railing on the way he did, so that's my opinion.

I see Silent Bob voiced his own opinion on Lovitz's going over the cliff:
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At one point, Smith interrupts Lovitz, saying: 'Stop yelling at the 99 per cent'.

'It’s my club!' Lovitz fires back.

Smith responds: 'Yeah, but don’t burn it down man. Occupy Lovitz'

I agree, and I've never been a fan of Lovitz nor respected his intellect. That's MY opinion.

Smith also nailed Lovitz with a statement which pretty much sums it up for me. When Lovitz mentioned he'd played characters who were arrogant idiots, people who "think they know everything but they're a moron", Smith popped in with "Like people who go on about the government". Not so silent, Bob!

I'll let the Silent One speak for me; I think Lovitz's rant was just that; a rant, an obscenity-laced one at that (which always impresses people) with little relevance.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:25 PM

WHOZIT


Obama's a douche, ya that's the ticket!

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:41 PM

AURAPTOR

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Sorry, I don't buy your "just thought it curios". Far too much over-simplification, far too common an attempt to diss Obama, and weird references to Jews (what's THAT about?!).


Huh? Don't buy what ? Far too common? That's the point, Niki, is that this ISN'T your 'average' diss at Obama. This is right in his demographics. You know, Democrats who voted for Obama ? Hello ! I think you need to get out and walk the pups some more.

And there was no 'weird' reference to Jews. It's a fact, that Jews vote Democrat far more than they do Republican. John Lovitz is Jewish. He's a Democrat. He voted for Obama... HE SAID SO! Where in the world do you get off calling that ' weird ' ??

Look at the thread title. Which one of these is not like the other ? THINK ABOUT IT !

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That refuted his "fuck you" about people who come here, work hard, and "make it" being screwed by taxes. It's simply not true: It was ONCE, but not any more. Want more? From Forbes:



It's still true, and you didn't refute anything. All you did was, as I said, dismiss it out of hand. More millionaires are MADE, not born into wealth. That's a fact.

Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited, Their Wealth

http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-n
ot-inherited-their-wealth
/

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Not only that, but Lovitz said "This whole thing with Obama saying the rich don't pay their taxes is fucking bullshit"--that is in no way what Obama said; he knows it, you know it and I know it.


You really going to play the semantics game here? Obama has said, time and time again, that the " rich " don't pay their fair share. I know it, and you know it. That's exactly what Lovitz is talking about. To which he correctly tells Obama that it's " fucking bullshit! " . Because it IS. The RICH pay FAR more than their fair share.

That's never been the problem. The PROBLEM is that our govt ( Dems and Republicans ) SPEND TOO GOD DAMN FUCKING MUCH OF OUR MONEY !

There. Point made.

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As to his being a Jew (which has WHAT to do with anything?) and a Democrat (yes, of course, we're all identical, we all feel the same about everything...? /snark), those aren't worth debating; again, they mean nothing whatsoever.


Actually, both are VERY meaningful, as I've already pointed out. No need to repeat myself on that.

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That he's disappointed in Obama doesn't surprise me, many are, but the REASONS they're disappointed are things I don't give much weight to.
Of course you don't, because you can't honestly dismiss his reasons. Oh, you can bring up trivial stuff ( 50% vs 35% ), but try telling him that. I'm sure, once you've corrected him on the details, and explained it to him, he'd slap palm to forehead and realize what a goof he was !

( NOT )

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Those who thought he was somehow going to come in and reverse eight years of insanity in two or three were delusional; those who expected wonders out of him bought into some kind of fantasy. I wouldn't expect ANY President to be able to fix this country as fast as people wanted, and I damned well KNOW McCain wouldn't have done any better! Only those who still believe in Trickle-Down think it's not actually Tinkle-Down with the rich getting richer while they piss on the rest of us.


We didn't HAVE " 8 years of insanity ". We had a recovery period, as when Obama came into office, and then we had like 57 months of job expansion, to below 5% unemployment, and then the Dems took over in '07, and it's been down hill ever since. But even so, Obama has made things worse. And as for your childish comments about the expansion of the free market , that benefits everyone, there's no point of even discussing how completely wrong you are. I'll save for for another thread, or more.

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What you're not understanding is that Lovitz is a COMEDIAN. Comedians exaggerate everything, and most comedians are angry people...look it up. He was pissed, so his pissedness comes out in a rant. Lovitz isn't the quietest of people, nor in my opinion is he the brightest or the most civil. He's certainly got a right to his opinions, but I don't find reason to give dthem much weight. Aside from which, I don't like any public figure calling any President a fucking asshole and I'm not impressed by people railing on the way he did, so that's my opinion.


And what YOU'RE missing is that Lovitz is also a Democrat, who voted for Obama, and now is pissed at the job he's done. Spin it the way you like ( I see you clearly have ), but them's the facts.

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I agree, and I've never been a fan of Lovitz nor respected his intellect. That's MY opinion.

How is that relevant to the issue ? Oh, it isn't. But thanks for the input. Note taken.

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Smith also nailed Lovitz with a statement which pretty much sums it up for me. When Lovitz mentioned he'd played characters who were arrogant idiots, people who "think they know everything but they're a moron", Smith popped in with "Like people who go on about the government". Not so silent, Bob!

I'll let the Silent One speak for me; I think Lovitz's rant was just that; a rant, an obscenity-laced one at that (which always impresses people) with little relevance.



But isn't the Occupy group " going on about the govt " too ? Aren't they doing little more than an extended obscenity-laced 'rant' ?

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:45 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Obama's a douche, ya that's the ticket!



And THAT's no lie!



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:35 AM

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Higher taxes for Obama voters........poor baby!

Or zero income tax for Ron Paul voters.....with free hookers!



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Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:02 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Lovitz is a Democrat, so what? Republicans are critical of other Republicans all the time and get ignored when their criticism is wrong, for the GOP even when it is right.

Oh, and if Lovitz is paying 50% of his income in federal taxes he is doing something wrong.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:18 AM

AURAPTOR

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So what?

Lol. That's funny. Lovitz isn't merely yapping about some minor policy or comment by Obama . He's taking on a basic, driving component of this administration's platform.

If Obama can't sell it to a loyal Dem, and one who voted for him, good luck in winning over more independents .

Continue to whistle past the graveyard.





" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:25 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Here is the thing, Lovitz does not represent most Dems, nor most independent voters.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Here is the thing, Lovitz does not represent most Dems, nor most independent voters.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Again, misses the point.

He's a Democrat. He voted for Obama. He's sick and tired of what Obama is trying to do. He ain't the only one, either.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent... John Lovitz ?"


The next wave of washed-up has-beens who'll be competing on "Dancing With the Stars" or "Celebrity Apprentice"?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:31 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent... John Lovitz ?"



Which one of this is not like the other...which one of these doesn't belong...



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:34 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Here is the thing, Lovitz does not represent most Dems, nor most independent voters.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Again, misses the point.

He's a Democrat. He voted for Obama. He's sick and tired of what Obama is trying to do. He ain't the only one, either.






So, he is. Who gives a shit. Not evryone is.

Plenty of Republicans were fed up with Dubya - moreso than Dems have bailed on Obama, judging by well, any poll. Yet you still stand by everything he did.

So, really - who fucking cares what you or Lovitz have to say?

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
So, really - who fucking cares what you or Lovitz have to say?



You're off my Christmas card list.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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