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Osama sends the president a message

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Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:24 PM

CITIZEN


After numerous rounds of:
"We don't even know if Osama is still alive,"
Osama himself decided to send George Bush a letter in his own handwriting to let him know he was still in the game.

Bush opened the letter and it appeared to contain a coded message:
370HSSV 0773H

Bush was baffled, so he e-mailed it to Condi Rice.
Condi and her aides had no clue either, so they sent it to the FBI.
No one could solve it so it went to the CIA, then to NASA.

With no clue as to its meaning, they eventually asked Britain's MI6 for help.
MI6 cabled the White House:

"Tell the President he's holding the message upside down."



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.


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Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:03 AM

CAPTBRYAN


LOL...LOL...Stop Stooop...oh my side is killin me...LOL...LOL


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Saying that God authored confusion by creating Lucifer is like saying my sniper rifle goes out all by itself and shoots people 2 miles away so I dont get into trouble.

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:05 PM

CHRISISALL


lolROTF!!
Wait 'till Hero and AURaptor get a hold of this!!!

Whew, that was funny.



this must get broadwaved....

Chrisisall, needing an 'on the floor' emoticon

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:20 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


I wonder if I sent GW the same message, if he'd get it the second time around ?

I'd have to add

p.s. your village called, they say their idiot is missing.....

Don't think they give a shit

I'm with Signy and Rue

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Monday, January 23, 2006 10:34 AM

CHRISISALL


Hey Gino, let's not kick the man when he's about to get impeached...
*crosses fingers*

Chrisisall

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:07 PM

DIETCOKE


He's not going to get impeached that was our last president! ;-)

NY/NJ/CT Browncoats: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firefly_nyc

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:17 PM

RIVER6213


Our last president? Clinton was more of a man then that Greedy idiot we currently have in office. So what if he couldnt keep his fly zipped? He was a decent president...better than Bush any day of the year.

Bush and his current adminstration are nothing more than stinking, evil, crooks. Prez Bush is a clear sign of what can happen to a nation if a Special Education student gets into the White House.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 12:49 PM

DIETCOKE


We're all just 'coats here, don't want to debate politics.

NY/NJ/CT Browncoats: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firefly_nyc

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Monday, January 23, 2006 2:56 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hey Gino, let's not kick the man when he's about to get impeached...
*crosses fingers*

Chrisisall




delete impeached... insert shot

I might even come down for the show





Don't think they give a shit

I'm with Signy and Rue

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Monday, January 23, 2006 8:18 PM

DREAMTROVE


Ah, to be in my position of hating them both equally. Clinton wasn't a man, he was a robot, a run down sexbot from "AI," and Bush is a trained monkey with a glamour spell on him that makes us think that he's a human.

But honestly, I don't think Bush will be impeached until after Cheney is indicted. If the dems had supported the move to impeach Clinton and the Gore would have had a better shot running for re-election in '00. The problem with Gore's candidacy was he never showed any leadership at all when he was VP. A number of VPs have had a strong and very visible influence in govt. such as Nixon, Johnson, and Bush Sr. Others such as Agnew, Quayle and Gore were more or less pieces of whitehouse furniture. Gore needed to demonstrate some sort of leadership in order to bring home a decisive victory. I say decisive to avoid the whole who won the election thing. Clearly, no one won, it close because there were two losers facing off. A victory is like Nixon over McGovern or Johnson over Goldwater (whether or not one agrees with those votes as right, they were definitely the way they went.)

I think the smart thing for the GOP to do is to impeach Bush themselves, show some backbone, leadership, and prove that we're not just an entire party of trained monkeys. Then someone could lead the party for two years, and then run with some background experience, and hopefully a record of putting htis mess back together. I'm not saying that person would have to be McCain, it could be Powell, or to be fair to (well, not people on the other side of the aisle, but ones in the other corner of this side) say, Condi Rice.

Instead what will most likely happen is that Bush will continue acting like a baboon until his time runs out, and then anyone he endorses will automatically lose. I actually think that is their plan.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
lolROTF!!
Wait 'till Hero and AURaptor get a hold of this!!!

Whew, that was funny.



this must get broadwaved....

Chrisisall, needing an 'on the floor' emoticon



Good to know you guys are pulling for Osama.



p.s. And keep holding your breath on that Impeachment nonsense. It'll never happen.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:08 PM

DREAMTROVE


Auraptor,

While I kind of agree on the Osama front, I totally disagree on impeachment. I think the GOP *has* to impeach Bush in order to save face. If they don't, whoever runs in '08 will be running on Bush's record, rather than their own, and that will guarantee a democratic victory in '08, since Bush's record on any scale is the most dismal for a republican president since Hoover.

Given that, any other republican could take over now and pull things together in 2 and a half years and make a decent re-election bid. Since I assume this republican will be McCain, why not give it to him now, give him two years to establish a record, which I think he's perfectly capable of, and run for re-election with a hell of a lot more chance than he will have running on Bush's record after zero executive experience.

I already posted that the dems should have done this with Clinton. But the dress thing was stupid. Clinton should have been impeached for one of the following:

1. Waco
2. Iraq (1/2 mil + dead)
3. Blatant extension of executive power
4. Whitewater
5. Assassinations and internal spying.

And the list goes on. I think the case against Bush on NSA is strong, but I would like to see things move towards WMDs and WTC, perhaps with a stop over at Buckets o' Corruption.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

I already posted that the dems should have done this with Clinton. But the dress thing was stupid. Clinton should have been impeached for one of the following:

1. Waco
2. Iraq (1/2 mil + dead)
3. Blatant extension of executive power
4. Whitewater
5. Assassinations and internal spying.



Assassinations? Who, Vince Foster ? Ron Brown? Man, that's too much Art Bell conspiracy stuff for me. Iraq? Those dead were on Saddam's hands, not Clinton. Waco ? At the very least, Janet Reno should have been sacked. But before I sound like I'm defending Clinton here, to the point of Bush. There is no case. He's well with in his rights as President to collect the dots on al Qaeda. It's a moot issue. I know the Dems will love to flail and scream about this, but there really is nothing they have here. Even John Schmidt, an associate attorney general under Clinton's Justice Dept., supports Bush's program.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Good to know you guys are pulling for Osama.




Chill, my Browncoat brother, just appreciate the jab at Bush, from whatever direction, is all.
Osama is just another terrorist bitch, trying to decide which hydrant to pee on next.

But I agree with DT about:
1. Waco
2. Iraq (1/2 mil + dead)
3. Blatant extension of executive power
4. Whitewater
5. Assassinations and internal spying.

But hey, they can't all be Nixons, now can they?

heh heh

Independent Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:28 PM

DREAMTROVE


I disagree. Those deaths are on Clinton's hands. The thing about a monster, is that it will be a monster no matter what you do. You can't lock someone up in the arena with the lions and then blame the lions for their deaths. You have to plot your course bearing in mind that the monster is a monster and will continue to be one. Clinton was in no way naive enough to think that Saddam Hussein would actually not let his people die. Of course he would let his people die. He's not their savior, he's they dictator, their slavemaster, he doesn't care. In fact if he can blame America it will make him look stronger. He'll encourage it. It was not just irresponsible of Clinton, it was a blatantly evil act, because the outcome was guaranteed. It was like not letting German jews cross the border. I have no use for Clinton. Except maybe a balanced budget, with an inordinate amount of nughing from Perot and Gingrich. My only maybe is there was a chance to just pass the balanced budget amendment, and then we wouldn't be in this economic mess.

To think that Bush is using the NSA to gather data on Al Qaeda is totally naive. If Bush wanted to wiretap AL Qaeda suspects and their US contacts, even unknowing, unwilling ones, the secret court would have said "Absolutely, without delay!" The only reason Bush avoided the law in doing it is he wanted to use the same tactics to tap someone else. Peace activists claim it's them, and there's something to that. Peace activism did possibly end the Vietnam war, or at least assist, and Bush doesn't want that happening now. But the more likely and more obvious target was the Kerry Campaign. I don't imagine this is anything new or outlandish, I think just about everyone sicne Nixon with the possible exceptions of Bush Sr. and Carter did this, and that may explain why they were both one term presidents. But still, Bush isn't going to want anyone to know that he's tapping the Kerry people. It would look bad.

Quote:

Even John Schmidt, an associate attorney general under Clinton's Justice Dept., supports Bush's program.


Did you miss the memo? Bush is Clinton. This isn't a the red bear is a lot like teh blue bear, it's the red bear *is* the blue bear, only wearing a red suit. Bush's ideologues were Clinton's ideologues, his advisors are mostly Clinton's advisors, and these people for the most part are both ideologically and historically democrats. I basically think the whole Bush camp, or most of it, is more or less a democrat mole, with the exceptions of karl and condi. Cheney and Rummy aren't dems, but they are ideologically in that camp.

I remember once recently Bush gave a speech in which he said something to the effect of 'i say this, clinton said this, and carter said this, so everyone agrees.' But the reality was, that Bush and Clinton were using one of Carter's speech writers, who put that statement in each president's speech, so the writer was really agreeing with himself.

True, I'm more conspiracy minded than you are, and yes, I think the Clintons probably had Vince Foster killed. But bear in mind, today's conspiracy theory may be tomorrows established fact. True, 90% of it is baloney, but it's the rest you have to watch out for. I try to distill mine down to weed out the looney stuff, which leaves me with probably about 50% baloney, but it's worth considering. Remember that before the holocaust, the final solution was a conspiracy theory that most of the mainstream thought was wacko. Until M. Atta flew into the world trade center, Bin Laden determined to attack within the united states may have been intelligence data, but it was still a conspiracy theory. So I'm not saying even everything I suspect is true, but if half of it is, and I think I have a pretty good record, than Clinton did some stuff that was fairly untoward, and if Bush isn't Clinton, he's far too close to Clinton for comfort for a traditional conservative.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Chill, my Browncoat brother, just appreciate the jab at Bush, from whatever direction, is all.


Oh sure, there are jabs, and then there are the tastless remarks .... " delete impeached... insert shot " made by GINOBIFFARONI. Ha ha! too funny! NOT

Interesting thing I saw on t.v., on the rebuilding of WTC # 7 tower. A mere 750 ft tall, complete w/ extra strong concrete, fire resistant beams, extra wide stair cases, reinforced power, communication, and water lines, even glow in the dark hand rails and paint on the stairs...should all back ups fail.

Sorry, but making cracks abbut killing the President for doing what's necessary is not in the least bit funny. Even for doing the intern, is over the line.


Dreamtrove - I have no idea what you're going on about. Blue bears and red bears wearing some sort of suits? Like I said..... Art Bell could use a laugh right about now.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:39 PM

DREAMTROVE


In the new gitmo execution order world, I would be wary of using the word shot and president together. After all, this is America, and the president deserves a fair trial.

I don't appreciate the 'doing what's necessary' comment. Bush has never done what's necessary. He's never done anything but what he set out to do before he came into office. He shooed away everyone who told him about Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and he has never once, and I mean never once, gone after them. Cheney's people planned out the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as Iran and Syria, back in '98. Cheney has been gunning for invading Iraq since the 70s. War on Terror, my ass. It's the big Bin Laden recruitment poster. Bush campaigns for Bin Laden daily. I'm sorry, the president is a traitor. I have no use for him either.

And don't be an asshole, just because it's in your genes. The bears were a reference to Bush and Clinton, obviously. No bears, UFOs, or any cockamamy hogwash. Your busy stumping for a guy who is not just a commie mole, but a traitor to the USA. There's not a god damned republican bone in Bush's body, nor a Christian one. I don't know what train you came in on, but were you there when we had a party? Do you remember it at all? Limited govt., fiscal discipline, pro-business, international diplomacy, indivdual rights, any of this ring any bells? It's the god damned party platform. How about the constitution? Ever even read it? I know Bush hasn't. He's functionally illiterate, that's why. That's what the buzz is from all the decent republicans who quit his administration is. He's just a trained chimp, working for Cheney, Mr. 'I love bill clinton' and, argh, it's not even worth the time to type. Wake up dude. Your fronting for the enemy.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


dreamtrove - I think it's past time your doc has upped your meds.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:11 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
He's just a trained chimp, working for Cheney, Mr. 'I love bill clinton' and, argh, it's not even worth the time to type.

DT, please excuse AURaptor, he's one of those lost souls who voted for Unification (Bush), and now is scrambling like heck to justify the Operative's actions (Iraq) so he doesn't feel like just a trained space chimp himself.
In AURaptos's world, he must be without sin.
The rest of us have the option of re-evaluating our beliefs when needed.

(Sorry AU, you asked for this, you always bein' SO serious and such, we're not solving global problems here, we're sharing ideas- you just get so MAD...I did that around the time of Katrina on a thread, and still feel like an ass about it. I make mistakes, and you do too.)

The all-to-human Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:55 AM

DREAMTROVE


Auraptor,

Don't pretend I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, because that would be a cheap argument that would allow you not to refute a single word I said, because you know it all to be true, and I won't pretend your a moron. I strongly suspect that you are very aware that Bush is more like Clinton than he is like any GOP president, but you don't care because you like them both. I don't, because I value freedom, America, and the value of a vibrant economy. I don't like Osama Bin Laden, and before we attacked, Bush could not be bothered with Osama, and he still can't, but back then, Osama was a fringe lunatic. Now he's more popular than Jesus was when he was alive, way way more. In fact, check that. Osama Bin Laden is probably more popular than Jesus, today. Or at any point in history. Or any religious leader ever. And we did that. Or we helped. Yay us. Go team.


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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:04 AM

DREAMTROVE


Chris,

I agree. I suspect Auraptor really does support unification, and does route for the alliance. Which is his right. If he doesn't, and I'm wrong, then he's dumber than I thought, because he's supporting it now.

I disagree, Bush isn't the alliance. I think that Joss gave us this alliance for a reason. If he wanted it to be Bush, he would have called it the Empire, or something denoting a dictatorial top down rule of a single figure and his yesmen (24 of them, according to the bible.) I think the alliance is Bush/Clinton. Not left or right, but 'Left-Right.' But Big-Govt Left-Right.

I think you put it well. I think that fletch has that same attitude 'the left can't be tainted.' There's plenty of taint, blame and fuck-up to go around, and I seem to be the cause of much of it. Very few seem to agree with me at all. I wonder if that means I'm off on the far right, or a little island in the middle, hated by both sides.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:31 AM

CHRISISALL


What? DT, don't fall apart on us now, yours could become an important voice in the New Order, second only to my own...(OOps! slipping into movie dialogue again)
Like Signy, I look foward to your posts, and they have given us a new and important point of view.

Many here agree with you, just maybe not on every particular little point is all.

Buck up!


Dr. Phil Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

because you know it all to be true...


Sorry Dreamy, but your transferance of your idiotic , conspiracy nut case claims aren't overly impressive. Unless you have some sort of Mel Gibson complex, and are hoping for a real life Julia Roberts to send you a life line..... Neither is your childish name calling seen by anyone w/ an above room temp IQ for what it really is, pathetic and lame.

Quote:

I strongly suspect that you are very aware that Bush is more like Clinton than he is like any GOP president, but you don't care because you like them both
Well, there you go again....with the projection of what's in your mind about what other's MUST be thinking. Message Board psychologist are sure to have a name for this, ya know. I use to know stuff like that, when I gave a damn about the likes of you. But, alas, I don't.

I know your tin foil hat is on too tighly for me to get through to you w/ reason and logic. So I won't even try.

Enjoy W's next 3 years of office.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
He's just a trained chimp, working for Cheney, Mr. 'I love bill clinton' and, argh, it's not even worth the time to type.

DT, please excuse AURaptor, he's one of those lost souls who voted for Unification (Bush), and now is scrambling like heck to justify the Operative's actions (Iraq) so he doesn't feel like just a trained space chimp himself.
In AURaptos's world, he must be without sin.
The rest of us have the option of re-evaluating our beliefs when needed.

(Sorry AU, you asked for this, you always bein' SO serious and such, we're not solving global problems here, we're sharing ideas- you just get so MAD...I did that around the time of Katrina on a thread, and still feel like an ass about it. I make mistakes, and you do too.)

The all-to-human Chrisisall



Actually, I didn't ask for anything. This post started with a joke which put OBL in a more favorable light than President Bush. Outside of a few communist around the world, a few Montana Militia Men types, and of course those sympathetic to Islamic Terrorist who might laught at it, I find that unconscionable and anything but 'funny '. If you call that 'sharing ideas', then I'll look elsewhere.

It's so childish to presume that I 'voted for Unification ' what not because I happen to take offense at such jokes, or don't appreciate commments preferring W being shot instead of impeached. I guess I make the mistake in thinking that most folks who post here are of at least a mature mind, even if not actualy mature in years.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's so childish to presume that I 'voted for Unification ' what not because I happen to take offense at such jokes, or don't appreciate commments preferring W being shot instead of impeached. I guess I make the mistake in thinking that most folks who post here are of at least a mature mind, even if not actualy mature in years.


I, for one, don't want anybody shot, but a joke at W's expense is always liable to tickle me a bit.

And mature? Don't make me laugh sonny (well, you already have on another thread, so I'll thank ya for that...), ain't NO mature people running this world, much less posting on this board!

You're postin' your messages all crabbed, is all.
But you're on our crew.

Olive branch-like Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

I, for one, don't want anybody shot, but a joke at W's expense is always liable to tickle me a bit.


Had the same note come from...AlGore, John Kerry, Michael Moore,...even Saddam, I'd prob even found it half way funny.( Ok, not really, but it's fun to say )

Did I mention having just seen a special on the rebuilding of WTC # 7, and all the work and pride that those on site felt as the opening date nears ( early 2006 ) Comments like that about OBL and that day in Sept aren't met w/ much comedy in mind.

Yeah, I had mentioned the rebuilding of WTC # 7. Thought I had.

As you were.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:26 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


But you see it HAD to come from ObL (or someone overseas), otherwise the entire admin couldn't fail leading to the Brits being contacted in order to supply the asnwer.

It's in the logic of the joke.


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:30 AM

DREAMTROVE


Auraptor,

No complex. I'm just absolutely sure I'm right. I also noticed you made no attempt to defend George W. Bush. You've never defended him as being a republican, and you're second favorite president seems to be Clinton, so I guess you're a democrat.

Quote:

This post started with a joke which put OBL in a more favorable light than President Bush.


And I didn't disagree with that. You gotta expect that here in New York, OBL is not the most popular individual around.

But you're being a dick to me is a problem. I wish I had the tact of Chrisisall, but that's not my role. I'm a Jayne Cobb on the ship, Chris is a Capt. Mal. It's my job to be an ass and try not to get shot.

I apologize for this ahead of time for all the disturbing imagery, but Pirate News is our River Tam.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

But you're being a dick to me is a problem.



I honestly thought that you'd have gotten use to folk doing that by now. I really did.


Quote:

I'm just absolutely sure I'm right....I guess you're a democrat


Ok, Sherlock! You just keep on thinking that.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:40 PM

DREAMTROVE



Quote:

I honestly thought that you'd have gotten use to folk doing that by now. I really did.


You're right. I should have. I think we have a problem, assholishness. It's why I made the post about some sort of code of conduct.

It's also occurred to me as a problem we have on the right. Being assholes. We maybe should see to that. We don't have a monopoly on it, clearly the socialist far-left can hold its own in that dept. But we really lost civility somewhere. I'm thinking maybe it should have been a platform point. I count me in, here. I have been easily enough of an ass to match the worst of 'em. But please do reserve the tinfoil hat label for those who do truly deserve it. All I'm suggesting is that one group of people, dick cheney et al, supported both clinton and bush, despite the lack of party affiliation. This is not tinfoil hat stuff. In fact, it's a proven reality that Cheney hade many very lucrative deals with Clinton, which drastically increased Halliburton's business. And 'yay him' for it, since he was operating as CEO, and a damn good one, discounting that mistake on the asbestos firm purchase. As I said in an earlier post, my sister actually knew the original tinfoil hat lady. She, my sister, was working at the AP in DC, and this old crazy woman, who camped homeless outside in lafayette park, used to come and harrass them. This woman believed that the govt. was controlled by aliens remotely via UFO, and CIA headquarters was an alien base that scanned people's minds with invisible laser beams. Just wanted to put things in perspective.


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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:43 PM

CITIZEN


Well, never thought a little joke could spark this off.

Auraptor:
Firstly I fail to see how this sets OBL as better than GWB. Really can't see where you're coming from there.

I know you like to think the Sun shines outta Bushy-boys arse an’ all, but seriously he aint the good Christian soldier you like to make out. His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's, and no I'm not saying his better than Saint Bush.

Frankly it seems like you wanted to have a reason to go off on a little indignant fit. You wanted to take the high moral ground where we're all evil terrorist supporters beneath your enlightened attempts to educate us. Whether it's subconscious or calculated I don't much care, doesn't make it any less BS.

You're rants, largely against Dreamtrove, are not gaining you the moral high ground, I'm afraid. I've had my disagreements with Dreamtrove myself, and I know how his words can rub you up the wrong way, whether he means that or not. But frankly the person doing the most and worst open insulting here is you.

Seriously chill out, your going to give yourself an ulcer.

Dreamtrove:
I’d say Chris was more of a Shepard Book than a captain Mal. All peaceful and Serene and then you push too far your unconscious and on your arse .

PirateNews as River, possibly.

You as Jayne Cobb, I’d go with that.

Hmm, couldn’t tell who I am, I’ve got Mal’s miraculous ability to get anyone angry, and I certainly like a friendly tear-up on occasion. I like using humour, but is it enough to make me Wash?

My driving is lousy as well.




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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:02 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Well, never thought a little joke could spark this off.



Dreamtrove:
I’d say Chris was more of a Shepard Book than a captain Mal.

I try to be like Book, but my temper can get me into Mal territory, and I have to look to that.
Citizen, you seem like Simon to me, all rational and with the answers, tending to wounds in common sense, then dishing out some closed fists of your own...which can, on occasion, be hi-larious.

Dreamtrove is Jayne with words.

SignyM is Mal.

Rue is Book.

I'm Wash.*



*Subject to change without notice Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:08 PM

DREAMTROVE


Hmm. Shepherd Book casts moral judgements. Chris seems more mellow, but, yeah I can see that. I agree with Citizen as Simon, not just because of the picture.

I think the girls need to be applied as well. I'm voting limi as kaylee, and rue, (rue is a girl right?,) as zoe? I know pn was a gender bender, but I had to go with the insane/knowledgeable angle.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:35 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


"
Oh sure, there are jabs, and then there are the tastless remarks .... " delete impeached... insert shot " made by GINOBIFFARONI. Ha ha! too funny! "


Am I joking ??

ole Saddam definately should be shot, Pinochet, Suharto, dozens of other thugs as well...

I happen to include every US president since Truman
on that list as well..... and some staffers

Clinton... Bush.... Albright.... Kissinger.....

A hell of a list...



Don't think they give a shit

I'm with Signy and Rue

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:55 PM

DREAMTROVE


What's so special about Truman? This is a man who *intentially* dropped two nuclear bombs on to civilian populations in order to claim what might just be our most pyrrhic victory ever, and then promptly went to war in Korea. Yeah, there's a guy you want around.

Here's my list for those presidents, from best to worst, just a gut response, not sticking by it.

1. Eisenhower
2. Nixon
3. Ford
4. Carter
5. Bush Sr.
6. Reagan
7. Kennedy
8. Clinton
9. Johnson
10. Truman

I haven't decided whever to put G.W. Bush on this list yet. He's made America unpopular, which is unforgiveable, but I'm not sure how low he goes. It depends on what his final death toll is, not the only factor, but an important one. Baby Bush is definitely landing post Kennedy, as in >7 with 10 people oh my god that was an awful president.

But I don't think they should be shot. Clinton, Bush should probably go on trial for possible crimes against the nation, but mostly to get them to reveal names of people they sold secrets to and folks who they let steal from the public till.

On the all time list, I would add Coolidge, Taft, and TR to the 20th C. best list, and JQ adams, adams sr. and jefferson on the ancients best list.

I'd also nominate wilson, hoover for the 20th C worst list. Jackson for the ancients worst. I have problems with washington also, mostly sullivan's raids here in NY and stuff like that. Oh, also Buchanan was awful, just in an extremely negligently lazy way.

I hear a lot of people say "Bush, worst ever." But historically the competition for that title is quite stiff. Andrew Jackson started a campaign of racial genocide against his own people.

Not to say Bush isn't mega richter scale measurable bad. Just, once again, putting things in perspective.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Firstly I fail to see how this sets OBL as better than GWB. Really can't see where you're coming from there.

Then quite frankly, you're either a liar or an idiot. The joke was clearly meant to belittle not only Bush, but his entire administration. That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being. How you DON'T see my point of view is a bit perplexing, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

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I know you like to think the Sun shines outta Bushy-boys arse an’ all, but seriously he aint the good Christian soldier you like to make out. His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's, and no I'm not saying his better than Saint Bush.
I don't need to be told what or how I think about Bush, or anyone else for that matter. If I'm asked, I might tell ya. Also, I personally don't care about his religion. He is who he is, and I for one agree with some, not nearly all , of his policies. His orders didn't start this mess, and I for one am proud for the effort which has been undertaken by US and coalition forces to SAVE lives. But that might be too far beyond your mind to grasp, so I'll just move along.

I needed no other reason to reply to your thread except in the way I did. I made my comments fairly clear, and if you need any extra incentive added, that's all on you. You assessment of who has the 'high moral ground ' here is irrelevent to me.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:35 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Auraptor:
Then quite frankly, you're either a liar or an idiot.


Of course, I don't agree with you, I must be either a liar or an idiot, maybe I'm a terrorist, yeah that's it, drop bombs on me, I disagree with you, oh Bush would be so proud of you.
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The joke was clearly meant to belittle not only Bush, but his entire administration.

No really? You worked that one out all on your very own, oh well done! You get a gold star for effort, your mother must be very proud of your amazing powers of deduction.
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That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being.

I see, you either support GWB or you support OBL. My, my we like our specious reasoning don't we.
So, you don't like Nazis right, so you obviously LOVE dropping nuclear weapons on civilians, which follows using your *AHEM* logic.
What's wrong with you? What sort of evil twisted individual likes nuking civilians?
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How you DON'T see my point of view is a bit perplexing, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Because I'm not you, and I like to follow a little thing called logic, not knee jerk reactions so I can stamp my feet, bawl my eyes out and tell everyone their stupid.
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I don't need to be told what or how I think about Bush, or anyone else for that matter. If I'm asked, I might tell ya.

I don't need you to; it's fairly obvious you think the guys the second coming or something, since if anyone dares question him in anyway you jump on it with the vehemence of a crusader.
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He is who he is

A jabbering low life corporate whore moron idiot.
Unfortunately we can tell he's not very level headed, if he was he'd dribble out of both sides of his mouth at once.
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His orders didn't start this mess, and I for one am proud for the effort which has been undertaken by US and coalition forces to SAVE lives.

I’m sorry, is this Auraptor's fantasy time? GWB didn't cause this mess, so who did order the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq which has caused both countries to destabilise further, the Middle Eastern region to grow increasingly to all out war, upwards of 100,000 civilians to be killed, and an increase in terrorist activity?
The toothfairy?
The legendary Black Beast of Bodmin Moor?
The British Queen?
Santa Clause perhaps?
Oh I know! Its little orphan Timmy, I’ve always suspected that bastard, acting all helpless and such.

The other major problem is what you think the coalition was sent in to save lives.
I have little doubts that that’s the motivations for the troops, but the people who sent them in saw this:
Oil, the US can use up the rest of the worlds, and then when its run dry the rich oil barons can start selling the stuff the entire USA is floating on at $18,000 a barrel.
Lucrative rebuilding contracts, that DON'T go to the lowest bidder, they go to the American corporation.
Saddam sitting there smiling, still in charge, while Bushy-Boy's dada is out on his ear (not to mention breakfast lunch and tea).
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But that might be too far beyond your mind to grasp, so I'll just move along.

Yes it's everyone else doing all the immature infantile name calling, not you at all .
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I needed no other reason to reply to your thread except in the way I did.

That sentence doesn't actually make any sense, but what I think you're trying to say is:
I can behave like a spoilt child if I want, I have that right.
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I made my comments fairly clear, and if you need any extra incentive added, that's all on you.

We know what your incentives are. It's to scream and shout and throw a childish tantrum if anyone dares to decry the man who's picture is plastered all over your bedroom wall.
It's really quite obvious.
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You assessment of who has the 'high moral ground ' here is irrelevent to me.

I'm sure it is, because you know you have the moral high ground because you can not be wrong. Just like all good Zealots.
Hey I'm sure if you call someone an idiot again, or question they're sexuality, maybe call them a paedophile, that will help your cause no end.
No, no really, that tactic is working so well for you in this thread, can't fail to bring you victory over us evil Terrorist-loving freedom-hating commi-nazis.



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Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:22 AM

CITIZEN


The main problem I have with PN being River is he's now my Sister.

I had a complicated childhood.

It's scary how close I am in Simon in a lot of ways now I think about it though. I mean, stupidly loyal to friends and family, top 3% at school, useless with women...

Seriously a girl approached me in a club not too long ago, asked if I wanted to buy her a drink and in my druken state I said "why?"
I mean for crying out loud.

Bloody moron.



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Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:01 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being.
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Now, I never thought you could get me to oppose any statement opposing OBL, who killed the relatives of people I actually know, but I think there's an implication in this statement I want to object to.

Osama Bin Laden is the enemy. 'Any American' would not have been a problem, but as the enemy, Bin Laden has the support of the enemy, which he has duly earned. He helps their people, and opposes their enemies. As such, he has and deserves their support, and they, the terrorists and their, well, constituents, as it were, are human beings. And that last was the implication which I resented.

I don't think this is what Auraptor meant. But I have begun to suspect that this administration's advisors in private, or at least subconsciously, think of the Iraqis and Iranians as less than human, at least as children who need our stern hand to guide them, and possibly as low as dogs, who need to be cared for, but whose masters deserve their alleigence. If it were not so, I have nothing to explain the events which have unfolded in the ME.

But just as I don't think this is what auraptor meant, I don't think this is what citizen meant. I think his joke could be correctly viewed as auraptor did, but I think that all that was intended was malice against Bush, not elevation of Bin Laden, which may have been an unintention consequence.

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His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's,


I don't think this is factually true. You have to include Bin Laden's asian african and european ops.

Citizen,

Chill. I think Auraptor has a point. Bush the political point of view is different from Bush as a man. As a man, Bush is a completely degenerate individual, who deserves no respect. But Bush, the political entity is totally different, because Bush is just the spokesman for the neocons, who have a political point of view that I disagree with.

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Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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’m sorry, is this Auraptor's fantasy time? GWB didn't cause this mess, so who did order the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq which has caused both countries to destabilise further, the Middle Eastern region to grow increasingly to all out war, upwards of 100,000 civilians to be killed, and an increase in terrorist activity?


I said W didn't START this mess, but he sure as hell is responding to those who did. Need a road map for this one ? I'll make it easy for you Osama and Saddam.

I know it's the in thing to ridicule Bush and call him all manner of things unflattering, but he's still smarter than Kerry. Not saying much, but it's a fact. Those 2 were our only real choices, and I'm glad we chose the better. Granted, neither will be confused w/ Stephen Hawking in regards to I.Q, but that's what we were stuck with.

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so you obviously LOVE dropping nuclear weapons on civilians..
There you go again, telling me what I supposidly think, and getting it wrong,..again. Trust me, I know sarcasm, and you do it very poorly. But to be honest, I prefer dropping Atomic bombs to end world wars that have killed millions, and would otherwise kill 100,000's of more civilians and soldiers.

Whether the lame ass joke was directed at Tony Blair, G.W. Bush or any leader of a country which had seen its citizens butchered by Islamic terrorism, I'd have responded in like manner. Your constant inability to comprehend that simple issue clarifies , to me, the idiot/liar question I asked earlier. Case in point.... ?

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Seriously a girl approached me in a club not too long ago, asked if I wanted to buy her a drink and in my druken state I said "why?"
I mean for crying out loud.



G'day.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:17 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quote:

The joke was clearly meant to belittle not only Bush, but his entire administration.
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No really? You worked that one out all on your very own, oh well done! You get a gold star for effort, your mother must be very proud of your amazing powers of deduction.
Hey I claim the prize for saying it first !!


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:15 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Auraptor:
I said W didn't START this mess, but he sure as hell is responding to those who did. Need a road map for this one ? I'll make it easy for you Osama and Saddam.


Stupid apologetics.
Using this kind of idiocy if one was so inclined they could blame every problem of the world on an American president.

So anyway, is it a simple registry office or a full church job for you two?
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I know it's the in thing to ridicule Bush and call him all manner of things unflattering, but he's still smarter than Kerry. Not saying much, but it's a fact.

Well that’s not proven is it; getting higher marks at school don’t mean a damn thing. But I’m not arguing whose better, Bush or Kerry, because I really couldn’t care less.
You play the ‘whose idiot is less stupid’ game if you like, but just so you know:
Bush is a dribbling idiot. Dragging up all the morons in the world isn’t going to change that.
And that’s something I’ve been saying since before he wasn’t elected, and not a damn thing has proven me wrong yet.
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There you go again, telling me what I supposidly think, and getting it wrong,..again. Trust me, I know sarcasm, and you do it very poorly. But to be honest, I prefer dropping Atomic bombs to end world wars that have killed millions, and would otherwise kill 100,000's of more civilians and soldiers.

*best country bumpkin accent* 'I know sarcasm I does'...
Not really you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have missed it and the point completely.
Let me spell it out for you, it's obviously quite complex, you turn up here and insinuate anyone on these boards who doesn't support Bush and sing his praises at all opportunities (i.e. anyone not you) loves OBL. I turned your flimsy non-existent logic around on you.

Rather than realising this you leap on it and start arguing the point, which actually made me laugh, this is like debating with a child.

But I see your point; you can throw unqualified accusations around and tell people what they think, as long as they don't do it back.
I mean, don't they know who you are?

Erm, do they even care?
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G'day.

The difference between an idiot and someone who does/say’s stupid things on occasion (i.e. a normal Human) is frequency and the ability to recognise and admit it.

You act like an idiot with a frequency deserving of the village idiot, like throughout this entire thread.

When you do you can't admit it, you blame it on everyone else, and act like you’re pure as the driven snow.

Least I've got the bottle to admit my mistakes to the world, which is more than you or Bush have ever done.
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They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself.

Or make jokes about them apparently…



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Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:50 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



you could at least spell his name right, the way the FBI does on it's most wanted posters... USAma Bin Goldstein....

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"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."
-USAma Bin Laden (CIA code name Jew Tim OSSman when in California buying SAMS from CIA), business partner with Bush family since 1947, brother Salem Bin Laden was George Bush Jr's first business partner in Arbusto Oil in Texas, his other brother Shafig Bin Laden was dining with Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire and Carlyle Group (owner of Serenity) on 9/11/2001 in Washinton DC, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people."
-Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001

"It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information. It's an unfortunate reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests."
—US Solicitor-General Theodore "Ted" Olson, in Jennifer K. Harbury vs. United States, at the US Supreme Court, on 17 March 2002 (his wife Barabara Olson, attoney at law and CNN talkinghead disappeared on September 11, 2001, allegedly on American Airlines Flight 77 that never hit the Pentagon)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
-William Colby, Director CIA, assassinated 60,000 people via CIA Death Squads in Vietnam Wars with Phoenix Project ("drowned" in a suspicious "canoe crash" while cooking dinner in Washington DC)

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http://BodyOfSecrets.com

"Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, and crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. In the Pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane's designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro's Communists - and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime. This Top Secret 'agent provocateur' plan - code named Operation Northwoods and revealed in official archives - dates from 1962 when the Cold War was at its height and was declassified in 2000."
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http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_mainstream_media.htm

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job. Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared. A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."
—Jewish Zionist General L.L. Lemnitzer, chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara - Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962 (declassifed 2000)
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:46 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


The revisionist history of the neo-cons is most impressive.....

Blaming Saddam for all the Iraqi's who died as a result of the sanctions that only the US and Britain
wanted to keep... because ole Saddam couldn't prove to their satisfaction that he didn't have a WMD program, of course it took a US invasion, to prove the US wrong on that fact... So what did those people die for, and who is to blame ?


And hey, as for Saddam... just how guilty is he anyway......

I mean sure, he used chemical weapons on a civilian population which was rising up against the " rulers " of Iraq.....

but hey, if you condemn him for that, you have to also condemn Winston Churchill... I mean really they did exactly the same things:

http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/041903_our_last_occupation_gas
.htm


Perhaps statues of him should be torn down as well...


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Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:11 PM

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Well, Saddam earned that blame, but it doesn't excuse those who already knew that Saddam was a monster and didn't care what he would do. It's like having a psycho in a shopping mall, and so locking everyone in until they starve if the psycho doesn't surrender, and then blaming the psycho for killing the people because he didn't give himself up. Which is exactly what it was. But the psycho is still a psycho, even if he's not to blame specifically for *those* deaths, he has over a million of his own in wars that he started.

You clearly haven't heard me on the subject of Churchill :)


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Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:15 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Well, Saddam earned that blame, but it doesn't excuse those who already knew that Saddam was a monster and didn't care what he would do. It's like having a psycho in a shopping mall, and so locking everyone in until they starve if the psycho doesn't surrender, and then blaming the psycho for killing the people because he didn't give himself up. Which is exactly what it was. But the psycho is still a psycho, even if he's not to blame specifically for *those* deaths, he has over a million of his own in wars that he started.

You clearly haven't heard me on the subject of Churchill :)




And what of those who merely pay for these actions, providing arms and support for those who do the deeds.......

until that issue is dealt with any " justice " is completely meaningless



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Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


People keep throwing this justice word around. Lao Tse says justice is evil. I think he's basically right. I don't blame the makers of guns unless the gun doesn't do what it is supposed to. Technically, an awful lot of normal things can be used in a genocide, fences, cars, etc.

Most responsible are the people who do the deed, and next are those who may have encouraged, or at least intentionally did nothing to stop it, which is where bad presidents are usually found. Terrible presidents are found in the first category. Jackson and Truman were terrible presidents. I've been thinking of Bush as a bad president, but he may be a terrible one.

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Friday, January 27, 2006 8:47 AM

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Saddam was CIA all the way, just like USAma Bin Goldstein. Bush Sr ordered Saddam to invade Kuwait, via his secretary of state James Baker. Baker is currently general counsel for Carlyle Group which owns Universal Studios and Serenity. Baker is currently DEFENDING the Saudis and the Bin Ladens (members of Carlyle Group) who are sued by victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Bush Sr set the oil wells on fire under United Nations Corporation command, to blame Saddam and jack up oil prices, as confessed by US troops.

Quote:

"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction."
-April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq, videotaped meeting with Saddam Hussein on 7/25/90 - Iraq invade Kuwait one week later (New York Times, 9/23/90)



The Iranians gassed the Kurds (Wahabi Jews), not Saddam, even tho Sir Rummy Knight of the British Empire (Jew) and Sir Heinz Kissinger Knight of the British Empire (Jew) sold/gave Saddam billions of dollars worth of free Made-In-USA nerve gas, which poisoned US troops when Stormin Norman ordered US infantry to bomb the nerve gas bunkers at Campucea (sp) to destroy the evidence, but refused to allow them to wear their chem gear (which was 100% defective anyway).

Saddam's wife said the individual on "trial" now is not her husband, but one of his decoys.

Quote:

dreamtrove wrote:
Technically, an awful lot of normal things can be used in a genocide, fences, cars, etc.



Yes, and vaccines are by far the most deadly method of genocide, which is one reason FF/S was financed and allowed to be shown to the sheeple, er, public. FF/S included immunization shots/stabs and immunizations added to the food supply, as Monsanto (Searl) is currently adding HIV/AIDS virus to its gene-spliced corn crops, that are cross-pollinating to all other corn types (which lets Monsanto seize all farms for patent infringement - Monsanto's lawyer Clarence Thomas is on US Supreme Court after appointment by George Bush Sr who is his cousin by marriage). Rummy was CEO of Searl when he sold WMDs to Iraq.

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"The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics - it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes ... This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."
-Commander Jacques Cousteau, United Nations Corporation UNESCO Courier, November 1991

"The FDA claims that the drugs it approves are 'safe.' This charade is rapidly collapsing. PBS television’s investigative series Frontline has aired a shocking exposé of dangerous prescription drugs and the FDA’s complicity in allowing this outrage to occur. As Frontline found out, the FDA does not conduct clinical trials, because the agency is not in the business of conducting medical research. The FDA instead reviews the results submitted by pharmaceutical companies. In a stunning admission, a senior executive with Britain’s largest pharmaceutical company has stated that most prescription medicines do not work on half the patients who take them. Dr. Allen Roses is worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline, admitted, 'The vast majority of drugs only work in 30 or 50% of the people.' Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard."
-Life Extension Magazine, "Dangerous Medicine", March 2004
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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million(14) multiplied by the 14% fatality rate he used in 1994(16) produces an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. Using this number instead of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine 's (IOM) estimated 98,000 annual medical errors would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually."
-Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD, Life Extension magazine, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (not counting 1.5-million annual aborticides in USA)
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FF is/was owned by Fox TV's Australian owner, Sir Rupert Murdock Knight of the British Empire (MI6). Serenity and Universal Studios are owned by Carlyle Group Pentagon weapons contractor, owned by Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire (CIA/MI6), the Bin Laden family (CIA/MI6), British Prime Minister John Major (MI6), and the German Queen of England Elizabeth Sax CoBerg Gotha and her husband Prince/King Philip (hereditary dictators of the evil "parliamentary" Anglo-Asian Alliance, who currently share bank accounts with Saddam).

I bet the real Saddam is living the lifestyles of the rich and infamous, perhaps with his ambassador Tariq Ariz, who is currently officially living with the British royal family at one of their many giant mansions in Scotland, with immunity from arrest.

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Friday, January 27, 2006 9:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
People keep throwing this justice word around. Lao Tse says justice is evil. I think he's basically right. I don't blame the makers of guns unless the gun doesn't do what it is supposed to. Technically, an awful lot of normal things can be used in a genocide, fences, cars, etc.

Most responsible are the people who do the deed, and next are those who may have encouraged, or at least intentionally did nothing to stop it, which is where bad presidents are usually found. Terrible presidents are found in the first category. Jackson and Truman were terrible presidents. I've been thinking of Bush as a bad president, but he may be a terrible one.



I think we are really close to agreeing.... except maybe on a level of ethics...

At Nuremberg, which is I think the legal precident which would most apply, many people who knowing provided support were convicted, some had really no choice but but help... and they were convicted without having done the deed.... some examples

Admiral Karl Dönitz: he was charged with "Conspiracy to wage aggressive war" (count one), "Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression" (count two), and "crimes against the laws of war" (count three). Specifically, he faced charges of waging unrestricted submarine warfare and of issuing an order after the Laconia incident not to rescue survivors from ships attacked by submarine.

As one of the witnesses in his own defence, Dönitz produced an affidavit from American Admiral Chester Nimitz who testified that the United States had used unrestricted warfare as a tactic in the Pacific and that American submarines did not rescue survivors in situations where their own safety was in question. Despite this, the tribunal found Dönitz guilty of charges two and three, for which he was sentenced to 11 and a half years. He served ten years in Spandau Prison, West Berlin.

In addition , the Laconia incident mentioned involved a US aircraft being ordered to attack a U-boat which was attempting to rescue more than a thousand men from a torpedoed ship by towing their lifeboats to a RV with neutral rescue ships they had called for by radio....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz

http://wernerhartenstein.tripod.com/U156Laconia.htm

Please check out the links and tell me what you think of that conviction ?

or further

Hans Fritzsche : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Fritzsche

propaganda guy

Walther Funk :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Funk

banker ( this one I agree with..... but didn't do the deed himself as you said earlier )

Erich Raeder

or Julius Streicher...... who ran a distastefull newspaper... but did no actual crimes... well other than being a mouthpiece

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher


perhaps if these are the standard which conduct is judged, those at Fox news better start running scared...






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Friday, January 27, 2006 2:59 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
perhaps if these are the standard which conduct is judged, those at Fox news better start running scared...


The most heinous crime is 'being on the other side'.

Now if the people at Fox worked for Al-Jazeera...



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