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Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:46 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Criminal aliens can't get traffic tickets, since courts lack subject matter jurisdiction without a voluntary driver license contract. That's why traffic citations include a section for the driver license number, which is an "essential element" of the victimless non-crime.


I don't know about Tennessee which you cited extensively, but it aint so in Ohio, where I practice.

For one thing, if an illegal alien is arrested for any offense, they are sent to Immigration for deportation. If a legal alien is convicted of a serious crime, they are sent to Immigration for deportation.

As for the driver's license. ORC 4507.02, Operating a Motor Vehicle w/o a valid license. The penalties are harsher for those who never had a license vs. those whose licenses are simply expired.

I just convicted a nice fellow of that, even though he claimed residency in another country and had an International Driving Permit. Despite sounding all impressive, an International Driving Permit is not a driver's license...US law requires that a person have a valid license from their country of origin in addition to the IDP. Ohio law requires all residents to obtain an Ohio Driver's license and all non-residents to have a valid license in the place they are from. This case even went to the Appeals Court, but the fellow was pro-se (actually I suspect his Freeman father was behind the whole episode) and they didn't obey the court's rules of procedure and the appeal was summarily denied. I ought to give them you e-mail address. You guys would get along great, crazytalk don't sound so crazy when there are two of you.

There are 12 million illegal aliens in this country. How the hell am I, a lone prosecutor in Ohio, going to satisfy PN? I guess I could buy a big net. I think PN just wants to have a free pass for his drinking and driving (from a prior argument) by advocating we ignore local traffic and safety laws and only enforce only the rules he wants against the people he wants.

H

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:


It's hard to be totally apart from the machine...



We don't free the mind, once it reaches a certain age...

Blue pill Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Fair enough. It's a blanket statement to say the mexican's coming here are starving. But they are impoverished...the infrastructure in Mexico isn't very good, opportunities to work after reaching a fairly young advanced age, dissapear (I've heard). So what about the future they have once they can no longer find the work they are finding today?



yes they are impoverished, but why don't they stand up and fight for their country to make things better. Sometimes I think immigrants thinks every right we have here was somehow magically given to us by the government, it wasn't.

People in this country have had to fight and die for every privilage that we have, the reason why we have a 40 hour work week and child labor laws is because people fought and died for it, the reason why we have Unions and workers rights is because Americans fought stood up and were willing to fight and die for it and they did. The reason why we have civil rights laws is because People stood up fought and were willing to die and they did, the reason why we have women's rights in this country is because people stood up and fought and were in prisoned for it, every privilage that we have in this country has is stained in someones blood, in someones courage to to take a stand and die if necessary to get better conditions, America is no diffrent from other countries, its only that people were willing to fight for what they believed in and needed.

and you know what we still have to fight to hang on and keep these privliages, its still a struggle.

illegals come here, and they get a free ride off of our stuggles,and they haven't paid any dues, add insult to injury they don't even want to really be Americans or learn the language.

Like I said espeically Mexico and many other south American countries are rich in natural resources just as rich as the U.S if they want decent jobs that pay if they want a better system they should be willing to fight for it, but why would they do that when its easier to cross the border and work over here.

through NAFTA the U.S is in real jeopardy of becoming a third world nation, with third world standards of living for the poor, its already pretty bad, alot of Republicans would have you think that everything is dandy here but thats not the reality of the situation, thats why you have many people like Bush himself perpertrating the myth that Americans aren't willing to work the jobs that illegals do. like I say pay us a fair wage and have decent working conditions and there isn't a job any U.S citizen won't do.

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:56 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Wow. You keep with this sensible talk and you'll have to change your name...'HeroJenny'.




ewwwwwwww it disturbs me that you actually liked what I had to say

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:59 PM

RIGHTEOUS9


Not exactly sure why crossing the border is easy in your estimation.

And how do they get a free ride off of our struggles? they don't have the rights we earned for ourselves. They don't have the same liberties, or protections we do.

I agree with some of what you said in your post. You're totally right about there not being such a thing as a job Americans just don't want to do, but there is such a thing as them doig jobs that we don't get paid enough to do. Immigrants are hardly getting a free ride. They are getting exploited.

I also think armchair quarterbacking when it comes to rising up is a little unfair, and you hardly take into account all of the serendipidous reasons our country became a democracy.

In large part, it took educated people with money and a voice, who were willing to stand up to the British Empire, which quite frankly, took them being somewhat insulated from swift british reprisal, while they generated their rebellion.

I have to speculate here, because I'm not an expert on Mexico, but it seems like generating political discord would be a hard thing to do in a country with such a corrupt government, that could dissapear you before you even generated enough of a squeak to get noticed.

And I disagree...America is a vastly different situation than other countries. While we had some great thinkers who efforted to found our nation, we also had a situation with many hands on the same pie...that is, so many different variations of christianity, so many different philosophies on what government should be, so many different ethnicities, and in the end, in order to survive as a democracy and not just some other plutocracy that used religion or nationalism to quell the masses, 13 different colonies HAD TO come to a compromise, some of them begrudgingly, for the sake of the nation's survival. That compromise, I believe, is a very important variable that made our democracy happen.

If you keep people undereducated and either hungry or overworked, you keep high minded ideas like revolution out of their heads. People need a leader who has that education(worldly or scholarly)and has both the bravery and the wisdom to energize them.

And you're right, we need to protect our democracy and our standard of living here. That's why I think energy spent attacking the symptom of the problem(the immigrants) and not the problem(corporate pocket-stuffing) is only playing into this perpetuating system. Let's fling some mud at the people who deserve having it flung at them, and lets finally apply our wrath in a direction that can actually solve the problem.

Illegal immigration needs to stop, for their sake as well as ours. They are the victims along with us...but we have an actual voice in our politics. We can actually do something for them and us if we don't confuse the real issue.

That's my hope anyway.

Disclaimer...the post you just read was written by a Waiter with some college background at a Cal State.

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Friday, March 31, 2006 4:00 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratejenny:
ewwwwwwww it disturbs me that you actually liked what I had to say



Why is it all about you? Imagine how I felt. Imagine how everyone else felt. They look foreward to PJ posts so they can all laugh at the crazy leftist rantings of a poorly edju-makated fringe lunatic...and then you start talking all sensified. Scares them. Makes them wonder if God really was devouring the moon the other day.

Now me, I understand your problem. You come here and get challenged and are forced to read the good common sense truth-telling by myself and a couple others...you are forced to critically debate the issues which until now you had never really been challanged to consider. Somewhere...deep down in places you don't acknowledge in polite company, you realize I'm right. Sure you intellectually cling to your irrational beliefs...but in your heart...YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT.

I just want you to know it's ok. You can admit your wrong and move on. We don't judge here...and unlike liberals, we conservatives welcome new ideas and broader perspectives that a former liberal can bring...after all even the Gipper started as a Democrat.

So I urge you to embrace the changes of your heart and slip the surly bonds of liberalism to "touch the face of God."


H

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Friday, March 31, 2006 4:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:

Illegal immigration needs to stop, for their sake as well as ours. They are the victims along with us...but we have an actual voice in our politics. We can actually do something for them and us if we don't confuse the real issue.


Again, excellent. Thanks.

Chrisisall

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Friday, March 31, 2006 8:06 AM

RIGHTEOUS9


As a case in point,

There was a Mexican revolution.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch03mex.htm

Lo and behold, our inlfuence helped to crush a true populist democracy, taking sides against the revolutionary idealist Maderno, and helping to install his replacement.

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Friday, March 31, 2006 12:48 PM

CITIZEN


The Immigration is really screwed up over here.

There was a story of this guy who came over here, refused handouts and got a job. Genuinely trying to start a new life.

The Government tried to deport him and his family. It was only the friends he had in the local community that started a petition that kept him in.

You want to drive illegal cars, never get a job and live on handouts though and you’re a shoe in: "Here's a council house, was going to a local family but they don't really deserve it, paying taxes and the like, good on ya."

Or you could sleep with someone at the home office that works to.



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Friday, March 31, 2006 1:57 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Give the illegal aliens the jobs US citizens don't want, like building the Great Wall of USA on the Mexican and Canadian borders. Built to the same specs as the Great Wall INSIDE Israel, to keep Israel's Arab citizens enslaved to apartheid, funded entirely by US taxpayers.


Great Wall of Israel
www.counterpunch.org

Draft all the Mexican illegals into the US military and invade Mexico, overthrow and slaughter its Gangsta Govt like we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, and export our democracy like we love to do. Make English the official language of Mexico, so the Mexicans will want to stay in their own fucking country. So what if millions of Mexicans are genocided? USA genocided 2-million Vietnamese, 2-million Iraqis, 10-million Germans, and 100-million Americans in USA. USA nuked Iraq with 400,000 Hiroshima bombs, and even nuked USA with 1,050 nuke bombs. NUKE MEXICO CITY, BEFORE THEY DO IT TO US VIA THE COMMIE CHINESE MILITARY AND ARABS RUNNING US PORTS VIA THE BRITISH EMPIRE. What's the big deal?

Entire towns in Texas are now flying Mexican flags, with only Spanish allowed to be spoken in US courts.

Race Riots Could Lead to Camps For Americans and Illegals - Mexican extremists led like lambs to the slaughter will be the first victims
www.infowars.com/articles/ps/camps_race_riots_could_lead_to_camps_citi
zens_illegals.htm



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Friday, March 31, 2006 2:55 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Piratenews,

You know, I've never taken your posts seriously, and I'm almost convinced that you don't mean the things you post seriously. However, it occurred to me that I never asked...

Are you serious, or having a good laugh?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, March 31, 2006 3:12 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Piratenews,

You know, I've never taken your posts seriously, and I'm almost convinced that you don't mean the things you post seriously. However, it occurred to me that I never asked...

Are you serious, or having a good laugh?



Both.


Slaves in their own fucking country - US taxdollars at work
www.palestinercs.org/separation_wall.htm


The wall (black line) does not separate Israel from Palestine—it divides Palestine from itself. In the current plan, the wall will imprison more than 95,000 Palestinians.

Dividing the Conquered - Israel's wall of separation
www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0311&article=0
31122



A Palestinian boy runs near the wall separating West Bank village of Abu Dis from east Jerusalem during a protest against the Israeli "security fence"

Ain't it funny how the Jewish-owned Media Mafia censors the Israeli Wall from US TV "news", while attacking all Americans who demand a wall on the Mexican border, to keep 100-million criminals from terrorizing, robbing, raping and murdering US citizens...

Israel's 'Wall' and Why It's Not a 'Fence'
www.ccmep.org/2004_articles/palestine/012304_israels_wall_and_why_its_
not_a.htm


Quote:

U.S. To Test 700-Ton Explosive

March 29, 2006

The U.S. military plans to detonate a 700 ton explosive charge in a test called “Divine Strake” that will send a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas, a senior defense official said March 30.

”I don’t want to sound glib here but it is the first time in Nevada that you’ll see a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas since we stopped testing nuclear weapons,” said James Tegnelia, head of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

Tegnelia said the test was part of a U.S. effort to develop weapons capable of destroying deeply-buried bunkers housing nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. ”We have several very large penetrators we’re developing,” he told defense reporters.

”We also have — are you ready for this — a 700-ton explosively formed charge that we’re going to be putting in a tunnel in Nevada,” he said.

”And that represents to U.S. the largest single explosive that we could imagine doing conventionally to solve that problem,” he said.

The aim is to measure the effect of the blast on hard granite structures, he said.

He said the Russians have been notified of the test, which is scheduled for the first week of June 2006 at the Nevada test range.

www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1654792&C=america



That's the same size as a tactical nuclear weapon... Granite is radioactive... So the dust fallout over Vegas and USA will be radioactive, just like the "Depleted" Unranium fallout from Iraq is irradiating Europe for the next 45-billion years...

Why don't you care about the overthrow of your nation? Bush Sr told Saddam it was okay to invade Kuwait, just like Bush Jr is telling Mexico it's okay to invade USA... Do the math.

"Every day's a negotiation and sometimes it's done with guns."
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Friday, March 31, 2006 4:20 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


First of all... A 700 Ton explosive. Cool. Nice alternative to nukes, and glad we have it. I wish we had them in the kiloton range.

Second of all, Granite isn't particularly radioactive. The potassium isotope in granite has a half life of 1.28 billion years, if what the science books tell us is true. A granite dust cloud is no more dangerous than a non-granite dust cloud. This isn't to say that I like dust clouds, but the desert has plenty of them already.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, March 31, 2006 6:48 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Second of all, Granite isn't particularly radioactive. The potassium isotope in granite has a half life of 1.28 billion years, if what the science books tell us is true. A granite dust cloud is no more dangerous than a non-granite dust cloud. This isn't to say that I like dust clouds, but the desert has plenty of them already.



But silicosis IS deadly. Black Lung. And Alpha particles in the lungs is like getting a medical X-ray every minute.

700 tons... No way is that practical on a battlefield. The only way to move that into position is by train. What a great way for the Bush Gang to "nuke" a US city via the subways... Then blame the Spics - with Martial Law for EVERYONE. Dictator for life...

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 3:47 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Like I said, I don't like dust clouds, but the desert is full of them. I know. I live in the desert.

When people stop using granite as a common household building material, I'll yell at the government.

Also... 700 tons is probably the yield of the explosive, and not its weight. A 5,000 pound penetrator uses explosive that only weighs 647 pounds. Larger bombs are delivered by cargo plane.

Finally, if the US wanted to blow up the subway, they've got plenty of small tac nukes that could be stolen by terrorists to get the job done, and with more fear for all.

You may have valid concerns, my PirateNews, but this isn't one of them. I think I will play devil's advocate to you in the future, to see how many of your claims stand up to scrutiny.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 3:49 AM

CITIZEN


I guess someone didn't learn anything from the Berlin Wall.



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 3:51 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I think I will play devil's advocate to you in the future, to see how many of your claims stand up to scrutiny.


Good, I won't be the only one.



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 10:23 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Maybe its a good thing to have given all Texas streets and highways to the King of Spain for GPS taxation by the mile? Maybe that will keep out the illegal aliens? $5,000 to $20,000 every year per vehicle for wheel tax, by turning every car into a govt TAXicab. Make it such a hell hole that no one will ever want to live there...
www.texastollparty.com
www.corridorwatch.org

The Berlin Wall was to keep prisoners in, not invaders out. Built by the Commies, under orders from their British masters who invented and founded Communism as a global Jewish slave planation - of which Mexico and Commie China are just minions of the German "British" Empire. Why do ya think Prince Harry Sax CoBurg Gotha wears a Nazi swastika? As an emploee of MOD. NAZIonal SOCIALIST Workers Party = Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics = British Fabian SOCIALISM. Doh!


http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,grossbild-425565-
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Prince Harry's Nazi outfit: Your views

The party theme was "colonial and native" and the prince is also seen holding a drink and cigarette. The Board of Deputies of British Jews has described the costume as being in bad taste but accepted the Royal apology. The Duchess of York has said Prince Harry "is a fine young man" and does not need to apologise again for the incident.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4170635.stm



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 10:29 AM

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 10:47 AM

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"My German Grand Mum's the richest woman in the world. My uncle lived in Nazi Germany during the war, to give us a place to live in case they won. I can wear whatever the fuk-all I want! Ta de da de da! And if I don't suck up to the Nazis my Granpa will kill me just like mommy..."
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DIANA LETTER SENSATION: 'THEY WILL TRY TO KILL ME'

By Jane Kerr, Royal reporter
London Mirror
20 October 2003

PRINCESS DIANA claimed there was a plot to kill her in a car crash in a handwritten letter only 10 months before she died. She gave it to her butler Paul Burrell with orders that he should keep it as "insurance" for the future.


PLOT: Diana's handwritten letter to Paul Burrell in which she revealed her fears of being badly hurt in "an accident"

The princess predicted: “This particular phase in my life is the most dangerous.” She said "XXXXXXXXXXX is planning ‘an accident’ in my car, brake failure and serious head injury in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry”.

In the letter, revealed by the Daily Mirror today, Diana named who she believed was plotting to kill her. But the Mirror is not able to repeat the allegation for legal reasons so we have blanked that part of the letter out.

The document will fuel the conspiracy theories which have raged in the six years since she was killed in a Paris car crash.

But it also appears to bring fresh importance to a warning by the Queen that there were “powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge”.

The Queen was speaking to Burrell at Buckingham Palace in a meeting that would prove crucial in the collapse of his trial for theft.

Now, plagued by that meeting and deeply troubled that there has still been no inquest in Britain into the death of Diana and her boyfriend Dodi Fayed, Burrell has come forward with the stunning new evidence.

In his new book A Royal Duty the former servant – cleared last year of stealing Diana’s possessions – claims she began to worry about her security TWO YEARS before her death and that this led her to record her fears in the document.

Before sealing the letter in an envelope marked “Paul”, the princess told him: “I’m going to date this and I want you to keep it ... just in case.”

In the second paragraph of the document, written in October 1996, Diana explained in the plainest possible language that she was convinced of the plot to mastermind an accident.

Burrell describes in his book the events that led the princess to write the document at her desk in Kensington Palace.

Diana’s divorce from Prince Charles had been finalised less than two months earlier.

The princess, who had cut down on her charities to focus on Aids, leprosy and victims of homelessness, was enjoying huge public support.

But according to Burrell, by the autumn of 1996 she had “an overpowering feeling that she was ‘in the way’.”

He adds: “Rightly or wrongly she felt the stronger she became, the more she was regarded as a modernising nuisance.

“She certainly felt that ‘the system’ didn’t appreciate her work and that for as long as she was on the scene Prince Charles could never properly move on.”

Burrell says the princess told him: “I have become strong and they don’t like it when I am able to do good and stand on my own two feet without them.”

THE princess’s anxiety deepened to such an extent that she ordered a sweep of her apartments at Kensington Palace for listening devices.

By October 1996 she once again confided in Burrell that she believed there was a concerted attempt to undermine her in the public’s eyes.


SMASH: Twisted wreckage of the Mercedes Diana was travelling in

She recalled that she had been brooding about Charles’s relationship with Camilla Parker Bowles and the continuing role of Tiggy Legge Bourke, nanny to Princes William and Harry, in the Royal Household.

Burrell says the princess was feeling “undervalued and unappreciated”. But at the root of her fears she said she was constantly puzzled” by attempts by Prince Charles’s supporters to “destroy her”.

With these thoughts and fears in her head, Diana decided to put her fears to paper, says Burrell.

The letter betrays the loneliness Diana was feeling: “I am sitting here at my desk today in October, longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high.” According to Burrell it was not the first time Diana had felt it neccessary to record what was happening to her. He said: I became the repository for royal truths.

“These notes are her legacy and are crucial to the truths that enshrine her memory and debunk the damaging myths that seem to have been peddled since the day she died.”

Diana and Dodi Fayed were killed in the early hours of August 31 1997 when a Mercedes S280 driven by drunken chauffeur Henri Paul careered into the Pont d’Alma tunnel in the French capital.

An inquiry in 1999 by the French authorities blamed Paul, concluding that he had taken a cocktail of drink and drugs before losing control of the car because he was speeding.

However, there has been a growing unwillingness by the public to accept the official version of her death.

BURRELL admitted he shares the doubts. He said: “With the benefit of hindsight, the content of that letter has bothered me since her death.”

It will strike a chord among people who remain puzzled by inconsistences in her death, including questions over a mysterious white Fiat Uno which grazed the Mercedes in the tunnel and over blood samples taken from Henri Paul.

Harrods owner Mohamed Al Fayed, Dodi’s father, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on a private investigation, convinced that Diana and Dodi were murdered by British security services at the behest of Establishment forces.

But Diana’s family refuse to believe the theories. Her mother Frances Shand Kydd accepted the findings of the French inquiry “without reservation”.

Diana’s brother Earl Spencer also said he was satisfied that the authorities had “reached the right conclusion”.

Hopes that some of the mysteries would be unravelled were dashed last month.

A spokesman for the royal coroner Michael Burgess said the date for an inquest on Diana would be announced within days.

But hours later Mr Burgess ordered the statement to be withdrawn, saying it was premature” to suggest a date and refusing to give a timescale.

The lack of an inquest and his prosecution for theft in 2002 steeled Burrell’s determination to make public the princess’s concerns for her security.

“That letter has been part of the burden I have carried since the princess’s death. Knowing what to do with it has been a source of much soul-searching.”

He insists that whether it is a wild coincidence” or an explanation for the tragedy is a matter for a coroner’s court.

He adds: “It may be futile in what it achieves because it can do no more than provide yet another question mark.

“But if that question mark leads to an inquest and a thorough investigation of the facts by the British authorities it will have achieved something.”

www.mirror.co.uk



"HA HA HA!!! That'll teach the stupid bitch. And remind the slaves who's boss. Open the Chunnel to millions of illegal aliens. The British sheeple will never oppose us now! Just in case, go ahead and flouridate the water supply..."
-Prince Phillip, Trojan Horse of Windsor

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 11:10 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


PirateNews,

You post so much material so quickly that it is hard to keep up. I still find it hard to believe that you're serious about most of it.

Now that the Granite threat is debunked, which of your claims shall we research next?

Did I read you wrong, or did you write that Winston Churchill traded soldiers for scientists during Project Paperclip?

Shall I start researching that?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 11:24 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

PirateNews,

Did I read you wrong, or did you write that Winston Churchill traded soldiers for scientists during Project Paperclip?

Shall I start researching that?



Don't reasearch anything. Reading's for geeks. Trust your Gangsta Govt. Go ahead and join the military, after your Vegas vacation sans gas mask.

But if you must:

www.google.com
www.amazon.com

keywords:

"Project Paperclip" and "Nazi" and "POW" and "MIA"

Quote:

SOLDIERS OF MISFORTUNE

by James D. Sanders, Mark A. Sauter, and R. Cort Kirkwood

A secret covenant of the 1945 Yalta agreement provided that the U.S. and Britain would return Soviet citizens residing in the West. In exchange, Stalin promised to return Western soldiers who had been liberated by the Red Army. After the war, American and British authorities breached that agreement by secretly permitting Nazis to remain in the West. Stalin learned about the deception and retaliated by holding 23,500 American and 30,000 British and Commonwealth soldiers captive in the vast Soviet gulag system.

The authors trace the fate of American POWs from the Korean, Vietnam and Cold wars. In the early years of the Cold War, American soldiers and civilians were kidnapped off the streets of Europe and taken to the Soviet Union where they were interrogated and brainwashed, later disappearing into the gulag. Hundreds of Korean War POWs were transferred to China and the Soviet Union during that war. Despite countless denials by American officials, the authors provide new evidence that Vietnam War MIAs were smuggled out of the Asian jungles and taken to live out their lives in Siberian exile.

Soldiers of Misfortune turns history upside down--it documents that every president since World War I1 has lied to the American people about the fate of its fighting men. This book leaves only one unanswered question: How many Americans are still alive in Russia, China and North Korea?

http://geocities.com/snetterton2/Soldiers.html

See also:

"Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW'S in Vietnam"
by Monika Jensen-Stevenson



Why are such facts hard to believe? 45-million Americans have been murdered since 1973, when US Supreme Court legalized genocide. Don't you recognize a Civil War when you see one?


www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/evils_in_government.ht
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Now I've got to go to UT Law Library to do research by reading books, in order to survive Gangsta Govt. I apologize to Citizen and Hero for being such a bad slave.

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 11:41 AM

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 12:34 PM

ANTHONYT

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From the quote PirateNews Posted:

"SOLDIERS OF MISFORTUNE

by James D. Sanders, Mark A. Sauter, and R. Cort Kirkwood

A secret covenant of the 1945 Yalta agreement provided that the U.S. and Britain would return Soviet citizens residing in the West. In exchange, Stalin promised to return Western soldiers who had been liberated by the Red Army. After the war, American and British authorities breached that agreement by secretly permitting Nazis to remain in the West. Stalin learned about the deception and retaliated by holding 23,500 American and 30,000 British and Commonwealth soldiers captive in the vast Soviet gulag system."

I find this quote disturbing, and I assume it is fair game because it was posted as evidence.

1) A secret covenant of the 1945 Yalta agreement provided that the U.S. and Britain would return Soviet citizens residing in the West.

Okay. If we accept that a secret covenant existed (why not?) then we must accept that the US and British governments would return Soviet citizens residing in the West. Sounds straightforward.

2) In exchange, Stalin promised to return Western soldiers who had been liberated by the Red Army.

Tit for tat. Sounds good so far. In fact, I'm confused as to why this is a secret covenant. It sounds logical and right. "You give us back our citizens, we give you back your citizens."

3) After the war, American and British authorities breached that agreement by secretly permitting Nazis to remain in the West.

Wha? Nazis aren't Soviet citizens, are they? I mean, they're German, right? So how is this a violation of the 'secret covenant?'

4) Stalin learned about the deception and retaliated by holding 23,500 American and 30,000 British and Commonwealth soldiers captive in the vast Soviet gulag system."

Wow. That's a lot of people. Plus the covenant doesn't even appear to have been breached.


If I take the quoted snippet at face value, it seems to contradict itself. I would assume that either the snippet was poorly or erroneously written and that the full story explains things better... Or that the snippet represents a flawed premise.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 12:40 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



I'd like to add...


When did the US Supreme Court legalize Genocide? I missed it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 12:46 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

ANTHONYT wrote:

700 tons is probably the yield of the explosive, and not its weight. A 5,000 pound penetrator uses explosive that only weighs 647 pounds. Larger bombs are delivered by cargo plane.



Yes, that's the yield of a NUKE. A conventional bomb is mainly metal - "depleted" uranium that's radioactive for 45-billion years, with gamma, x-ray, beta and deadly alpha particles - since it has to penetrate and fragment. The exploding metal acts as bullets which does most of the killing.

This 700-ton bomb in Vegas is 100% explosive (since a static test of a metal penetrator underground doesn't simulate kinetic energy from 50,000 feet altitude). Either it's 700-tons of TNT (1-million 400-thousand pounds, not very likely), or 700-tons yield for a 750-pound nuke (which is mainly electronics and conventional explosives, and only a few pounds of plutonium).

Since Pentagon admits it will make a "mushroom cloud", even tho its buried underground, it's probably a nuke. If it is testing "penetrator" metals, then those are composed of radiactive DU, which makes the mushroom cloud EXTREMELY deadly - but only for the next 45-billion years.

There's no aircraft strong enough to actually lift a 700-ton bomb. B-52s don't carry 2,800 500-pound bombs (700-tons). Max takeoff weight of a B-52 is is only 244-tons (488,000-lb), including fuel and weight of the empty aircraft. Max loadout for a B-52 is 51 500-pound bombs (25,500-pounds), or 51 750-pound bombs (38,250-pounds).

Why don't you take a trip to Vegas with your radiation detector, and give us your report? Or do your trust the snews media to do that, when their weathermen don't even own radiation detectors? I wonder how many citizens of Vegas will die from the resultant nuke poisoning? If the sheriff had half a brain, he'd send a posse to arrest the base commanders for attempted murder. Vegas is probably just a big lab experiment for Paperclip Nazis.

And look what Bush did to NYC and Orleans...

As for the illegal alien invasion, do a google search for "Operation Garden Plot" (United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2), with military use of deadly force against US citizens, with military concentration camps... And you think they'll ignore 50-million illegal alien slaves bitching about high taxes, low wages and no legal rights?
www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm

Shit, Uncle Scam NUKES its own citizens! You think it gives a damn about criminal invaders?

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 12:58 PM

CITIZEN


Out of curiosity weren't we allied with Russia?

What was Russia doing with Allied POWs? Unless they were from the German occupied territories.



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:00 PM

FLETCH2


TNT is not a great explosive by modern standards. To produce an explosion equivalent to 700 tons of TNT does not require 700 tons or a powerful modern binary explosive.

Nothing "nuclear" about a mushroom cloud, any explosion that sucks up enough dust or smoke will make one.

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:03 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Out of curiosity weren't we allied with Russia?

What was Russia doing with Allied POWs? Unless they were from the German occupied territories.



The bogus Cold War started the day WW2 ended. If not before. Commie Russia "liberated" Poland, then made every liberated person a prisoner/slave, including Allied POWs. Except for the POWs smart enough to escape the camps when the Nazis fled, instead of waiting for a free ride from Uncle Scam.

My uncle was in a Nazi POW camp in Poland when the war ended, and only escaped the Commies because his camp was near a Nazi airbase, and an Allied airlift rescued 10,000 POWs from that camp in only 3 days, before the Russian "liberators" arrived. He was based at RAF Snetterton Heath, in East Angliashire, UK, where I drove my first motor race at Snetterton Circuit. It has a cool museum at Eccles Hall School. The 1,000-year-old church nearby has a stained glass window funded by the Americans based there in WW2. You can probably still see the painting I commissioned of his last flight, on the wall at the Little Chef restaurant, north of Attleborough, beside snetterton:
www.geocities.com/snetterton_b17_pow_mia

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:08 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by PirateNews:
The bogus Cold War started the day WW2 ended. If not before.


No shit. Why do you think America dropped the bombs on Japan? Partly as a big show of force to keep the Russians in line.

Worked real well.



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:15 PM

ANTHONYT

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"TNT is not a great explosive by modern standards. To produce an explosion equivalent to 700 tons of TNT does not require 700 tons or a powerful modern binary explosive.

Nothing "nuclear" about a mushroom cloud, any explosion that sucks up enough dust or smoke will make one."


I agree here. Sorry, PirateNews. Plus you weren't paying attention. The military is doing above-ground and below ground tests. The one that will provide our mushroom cloud is an above ground test.

And it should be possible to provide a 700 Ton (TNT equiv) explosion with a 100-120 Ton bomb. Said bomb could be dropped from a cargo plane, like the famed 'daisy cutters.'

Finally, PirateNews, since you seem to think radioactive granite is so bad for us... I was wondering where you get the potassium from in your diet. Lots of people eat bannannas, the radioactive fruit.

Radiation doesn't equal radiation sickness. We're surrounded by it every day.

--Anthony

P.S. If you want to write a convincing 'conspiracy theory' regarding the Nevada test, try this. The government wants to know how effective a tactical nuke would be in XYZ scenario, but testing of nuclear weapons is banned. So they have created a tac-nuke sized conventional explosive so that they can conduct equivelancy tests on various materials. Now THAT argument makes a lot more sense... But of course it's not so insidious.

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:27 PM

FLETCH2


Like a lot of things Piratenews publishes there is a grain of truth in the center of a pearl of self deception.

During the War the German SS recruited soldiers from German occupied territory. When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union they found plenty of minority groups who viewed this as a liberation, most notably Russian Cosacks many of whom joined the SS and fought for the Germans. At the end of the war any of these men caught by the Western Allies would have been considered prisoners of war by the Geneva conventions. As such the western allies were responsable for their welfare. Theoretically at the end of the war they should have been released in Germany where many were interned and then offered repatriation. In fact the Allies had done a deal that said that soldiers from Allied nations found serving in German units would be forcably repatriated to their home countries. The captured Cossacks were shipped back to Stalin who killed them as traitors to the Soviet Union and shipped their families to Siberia.

I have no idea what the rest of it was about.

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:41 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Why do you think America dropped the bombs on Japan? Partly as a big show of force to keep the Russians in line.

Worked real well.



To keep the Russian slaves in line, to keep the British slaves in line, and keep the US slaves in line, and all the other slaves in line on the global plantation. Yes it worked very well for the New WORLD Order shadow govt dictatorship.

Quote:


"SEIG HEIL MEIN FUHRER MR PRESIDENT!"
"Henry" Kissenger as Dr Strangelove
(Jews built the nuke bombs)
www.whyfiles.org/186ed_teller/2.html

"America's global strategy benefits from the Indian participation in building a New World Order. "
-Zee News, "Kissinger: ''America's global strategy benefits from the Indian (nuclear bomb) participation in building a New World Order," March 21, 2006

"NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order."
-Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissenger Jewish Knight of the BRITISH Empire, promoting "Free Trade" with Mexico in narcotics and slaves

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or 'promulgated,' that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this 'scenario', individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
-Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissenger Jewish Knight of the BRITISH Empire, during riots in Los Angeles that killed 60 people and $1-billion damages, after copsters were found "not guilty" by a brainwashed jury of sheeple, for beating motorist Rodney King nearly to death, for civil breach of driver license contract for alleged "speeding" down an offramp behind a husband/wife CHips team without RADAR, while driving the World's Slowest Car (Korean Hyndai Excell)

"Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."
-Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissenger Jewish Knight of the BRITISH Empire, (Bush Jr's 9/11 Commission head, former US Secretary of State in Vietnam Wars, Communist KGP agent, OSS/CIA recruiter of Nazis for Project Paperclip, homosexual rapist of US soldiers) World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel, April 19, 1994

"American soldiers are dumb animals to be used in the furtherance of 'our' foreign policy.
-Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissenger Jewish Knight of the BRITISH Empire (quoted in the book "Kiss the Boys Goodbye")

"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. (US Secretary of State) James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction."
-April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq, videotaped meeting with Saddam Hussein on 7/25/90, New York Times, 9/23/90 (Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990)

"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a New World Order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. We will succeed in the Gulf. And when we do, the world community will have sent an enduring warning to any dictator or despot, present or future, who contemplates outlaw aggression. The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fufill the long-held promise of a New World Order - where brutality will go unrewarded, and aggression will meet collective resistance."
-Sir President George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire, State of the Union Address 1991, Gulf War #1



Hiding Our War Dead. Italy Publicly Honors Its War Dead, America Hides Its Dead
www.bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5577



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:54 PM

CITIZEN


Ahh, he's talking about the Hiwis!



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Saturday, April 1, 2006 2:19 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Vegas Vacation - USA nuked 1,050 times by the NWO

Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

P.S. If you want to write a convincing 'conspiracy theory' regarding the Nevada test, try this. The government wants to know how effective a tactical nuke would be in XYZ scenario, but testing of nuclear weapons is banned. So they have created a tac-nuke sized conventional explosive so that they can conduct equivelancy tests on various materials. Now THAT argument makes a lot more sense... But of course it's not so insidious.



That's what I said. Sort of. Except for the part about switching TNT for nukes. USA can't even afford to manufacture bullets for Iraq War (we buy them from Israel - 250,000 bullets to kill each Iraqi!). So how can we afford 700-ton conventional bombs? Of yeah, we borrow the counterfeit money from Sir Allan Greenspan Jewish Knight of the British Empire in England, and the private Federal Reserve Bank of Jewish Lord Rothschild in England.

How do you drop a bomb from an aircraft and make it land softly in a tunnel?

Quote:

”We also have — are you ready for this — a 700-ton explosively formed charge that we’re going to be putting in a tunnel in Nevada,” he said.
www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1654792&C=america



They're apparently talking about ONE of many nuke blasts, er, "tests". With a "formed charge" - that's a "shape charge" for penetrating hardened objects. So it's a "nuclear shaped charge", like a monster RPG. And why would you "notify the Russians" if it's NOT a nuke (or multiple nukes)? For an underground bomb to send a mushroom cloud over USA, it HAS to be a nuke.

Crap, most of the radiation will probably settle over my town of Knoxville Tennessee, since we're trapped between 2 mountain ranges, the better to contain nuke blasts from our nuke bomb factries (that rountinely make INTENTIONAL releases of 1,000s of tons of uranium to track it 100 miles downwind in the radioactive food supply).

Guess it's time to use my radiation BS detector. Too bad I didn't have one when I worked in nukes in USAF in UK, where we had ZERO radiation testing. I wish I could afford a greenhouse for my garden this year, to keep the poisonous fallout out of my organic food.


www.socialnerve.org/art/latuff/main.htm

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 3:01 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Quote:

.Not exactly sure why crossing the border is easy in your estimation.


I didn't say it was easy, I said it was easier then taking a stand and fighting for your rights and needs in your own country

Quote:

.And how do they get a free ride off of our struggles? they don't have the rights we earned for ourselves. They don't have the same liberties, or protections we do..


what does that have to do with it, people in many countries don't have the rights we do, and they still stand up and fight, people in this country haven't had rights and still have stood up and fought, take Martin Luther King jr, and the civil rights movement, or Ghandi in India, I don't know what your trying to say, America isn't a perfect country it never has been. That was my whole point= being people have had to stand up and fight for the privilages we have, the government didn't just give it to us, so yes illegal immigrants come here and enjoy the priviliges we have to fight for, without being willing to stand up and fight for their rights in their own country.

Quote:

.I agree with some of what you said in your post. You're totally right about there not being such a thing as a job Americans just don't want to do, but there is such a thing as them doig jobs that we don't get paid enough to do. Immigrants are hardly getting a free ride. They are getting exploited. .


Yes they are being exploited, and as an American you ought to not only be concerned about them being exploited,but also recognize that by their very exploitation its allowing us to be exploited for our labor, its great to be compassionate, but like I said Compassion also has to start at home, there is a bigger picture here. It makes me wonder about you, what your education is and what your job or profession is. I notice that its alot easier for people who are already in an established profession to ignore the bigger picture at the detriment to themselves, but what about the many poor Americans who are trying to make ends meet.

Illegal immigrants are driving wages down lack of jobs and fierce compettion for jobs only plays into the hands of business and industry it allows for people to continue to be exploited for their labor, its not just an illegal immigrant issue its an American issue, and our economy is getting worse by the day, our dollar has the potiental to be practically worthless. America is a country that doesn't really make anything anymore, we import just about everything we virtually have no industry here, jobs are being outsourced, we could very well hit a depression as bad as the one in the 1930's ,what if you can no longer aford to be in business? because no one can buy your goods or services, or what if you your company downsizes? or moves overseas or goes belly up, and you can't find a job, what if you find yourself standing in line after your unemployment and savings has ran out? and your willing to take any job at any price to feed your family and keep a roof over their heads. Are you telling me that you can't be exploited. The illegal immigration issue is a chain with many links.. links that directly affect you.

Quote:

.I also think armchair quarterbacking when it comes to rising up is a little unfair, and you hardly take into account all of the serendipidous reasons our country became a democracy

In large part, it took educated people with money and a voice, who were willing to stand up to the British Empire, which quite frankly, took them being somewhat insulated from swift british reprisal, while they generated their rebellion. ..



Your view is rather narrow , America isn't the only country that every rose up and took a stand, and you don't have to go that far back for an example, I'm talking about the act of standing up, those were diffrent times, diffrent issues, diffrent conditions and circumstances, are you trying to tell me that there are no educated people in Mexico or anyother south American countries?

Quote:

.I have to speculate here, because I'm not an expert on Mexico, but it seems like generating political discord would be a hard thing to do in a country with such a corrupt government, that could dissapear you before you even generated enough of a squeak to get noticed. ..


Who said it would be easy?

But I've always liked that saying anything worth having is worth fighting for, It being hard didn't stop people from taking a stand.

Quote:

.And I disagree...America is a vastly different situation than other countries. While we had some great thinkers who efforted to found our nation, we also had a situation with many hands on the same pie...that is, so many different variations of christianity, so many different philosophies on what government should be, so many different ethnicities, and in the end, in order to survive as a democracy and not just some other plutocracy that used religion or nationalism to quell the masses, 13 different colonies HAD TO come to a compromise, some of them begrudgingly, for the sake of the nation's survival. That compromise, I believe, is a very important variable that made our democracy happen. ..


Again you act as if the U.S is the only country that ever stood up and fought, or had a revolution, you can disagree all you want, but this statment is irrelvant!

Quote:

.If you keep people under educated and either hungry or overworked, you keep high minded ideas like revolution out of their heads. People need a leader who has that education(worldly or scholarly)and has both the bravery and the wisdom to energize them.


Now I couldn't disagree with this more, what about the poor starving peasants in Russia, or the starving French, you don't have to be educated , Actually its just the opposite, the more over worked, starving, and uneducated seem to be the ones that have less to loose and are more disgruntled and are willing to stand up an fight!

Quote:

.And you're right, we need to protect our democracy and our standard of living here. That's why I think energy spent attacking the symptom of the problem(the immigrants) and not the problem(corporate pocket-stuffing) is only playing into this perpetuating system. Let's fling some mud at the people who deserve having it flung at them, and lets finally apply our wrath in a direction that can actually solve the problem. ..


For the record, I can't speak for anyone but myself, I'm not attacking illegal immigrants, I know who and what the problem is, but I'm not going to make excuses either, which is all I see you doing, I don't see you talking about the real problme. SO 1rst and foremost I'm going to stand up for U.S citizens and Americans, I don't care if your Mexican , Black, White, Asian or whatever.We've got problems here,we have a corrupt government here now!! that we need to take care of, we have poorly educated here, we have third world living conditions here, we have plenty of disadvantaged people here in our own country, and I'm going to save my compassion for them and whats left over I'll give to where I can, but I'm not going to support something that is going to make more disadvantaged Americans.

Quote:

.Illegal immigration needs to stop, for their sake as well as ours. They are the victims along with us...but we have an actual voice in our politics. We can actually do something for them and us if we don't confuse the real issue. ..


Like I said we need to tend to our own back yard 1rst, because we have problems, for example Black box voting and the debolt voting machines can very easily take our voice out of the politcal system.

Quote:

.That's my hope anyway.

Disclaimer...the post you just read was written by a Waiter with some college background at a Cal State...


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Saturday, April 1, 2006 3:19 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
PN's opinion doesn't count because ...




I think you guys are trying to easily to dismiss PN with that philosphy, While I don't agree with everything PN says or necessarily likes some of his adjectives.

I realize and understand whats a guy to do when he's being bombarded with so much information

if you must dimiss, the messenger but you shouldn't dismiss the the message out of hand!!

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:21 PM

CITIZEN


Erm, PN's message is that the omnipotent British Queen, head of the British-Commie-Nazi-Jews, who are responcible for everything that has ever happened in the world, ever, are enslaving the people with the power of British-Commie-Nazi-Jew Flouride Telepathy.

Ignoring for a moment that most of his facts are misconceptions and misunderstandings firmly grounded in a complete lack of understanding of Physics, socio-polotics, History and a myriad of other things the fact that he thinks British-Commie-Nazi-Jews did it (not to mention the fact that he spews rhetoric straight out of the 'Big Book of Nazi Propeganda') is enough for me to dismiss his message.

I've ripped his posts and his facts apart before now, his reply is "You would say that! You're one of them, bah hiss!". I'm not one of them, they don't exist.

The level of delusion that sees a man who can barely tie his own shoe laces as the head of a global conspiracy so intricate, complex and well hidden from the popular view such as the BCNJ is staggering.

I don't care who runs that global over arching conspiracy which you (I use the term generally) are the only one capable of uncovering, whether it's Aliens, British-Commie-Nazi-Jews, School children or the Underpants nomes, you're still a nut. Lets be honest here, if there was any truth in what he says the BCNJ would of off'ed him sometime ago, a couple of dogs, a Shotgun and a security light are hardly going to stop a group that's manipulated the entire Human race since the beginning of time.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:48 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

When did the US Supreme Court legalize Genocide? I missed it.



Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=410&invo
l=113


Quote:

Moloch.
an ancient Phoenician and Ammonite god, to whom children were sacrificed by burning.
-Webster's New World Dictionary




Cannibal Reaver child sacrifice to Molech
Vaccines are made with cancerous fetal tissue
This is a figment of Citizen's imagination
www.antiabortionsigns.com/catalog.html

Quote:

"It is so hard to find a good abortionist these days. On June 11, it was career end No. 2 for abortionist Krishna Rajanna, proprietor of the now defunct Affordable Medical and Surgical Services in Kansas City, Kan. Rajanna first got noticed publicly in September 2003 when he called police to investigate alleged employee theft. Detective William Howard of the Kansas City Police Department responded, and was so appalled by what he and his partner found ('I thought I had heard and seen every vile, disgusting crime scene, but was in for a new shock when I started this investigation.') that he contacted the local district attorney plus three state agencies. Topping the list of horrors was an employee's account that she and others witnessed Rajanna 'microwave one of the aborted fetuses and stir it into his lunch,' as Howard recalled earlier this year when testifying before a Kansas House committee. Photos taken of his office and inside his refrigerator show that he kept fetuses in styrofoam cups in that frig along with food and drink. An employee later testified Rajanna took home all contaminated, medical and biohazard waste for residential trash pick-up. Photographs show the toilet was bloody and functioned as a human waste disposal in the literal sense. See for yourself."
-World Net Daily, "Fetus eater loses medical license," June 14, 2005
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44777
www.kfl.org/PDFS/Rajanna_Biohazard_Area.pdf



45-million aborted Americans since 1973, 300-million murders to go...
For every abortion, an adult must be murdered to balance the pension Ponzi schemes...

Quote:

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
-Leviticus 20:1-5, Christian Bible KJV




200,000 dead US troops in Gulf Wars sacrificed for Molech
This is a figment of Citizen's imagination
www.david-sadler.org -- www.gulfwarvets.com
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/200

1.2-million dead Iraqis, 18.8-million to go...

Quote:

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
-Leviticus 18:21-22, Christian Bible KJV




Baby Iraqi Freedom Fighters
This is a figment of Citizen's imagination
www.bradblog.com/archives/00000418.htm

All this genocide is declared legal by the US Supreme Court, Congress and the White House.

Quote:

And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
-1 Kings 11:6-7, Christian Bible KJV




US Supreme Court chief justice Earl Warren at human sacrifice altar to Molech at Jewish Bohemian Grove - Warren has the flame of the lamp behind his left ear (what's up with his necktie, er, Masonic cabletow?) - Warren presided over the Warren "Magic Bullet" Commission to self-investigate LBJ and Gangsta Govt re the assassination coup d'etat of President JFK Sr in front of the Dallas Police Dept HQ and FBI HQ and CIA HQ - This is a figment of Citizen's imagination - photo copyright Bohemian Club of San Francisco
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/portrait/figure
s
/

Quote:

Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 33And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
-Jeremiah 32:32-35, Christian Bible KJV




Georges Bush and world dictators performing annual "mock" human sacrifice to a 50-foot-tall idol of Molech at Jewish Bohemian Grove homosexual nudist colony for snuff kiddie porn in Monte Rio California, birthplace of the nuclear bomb - This is a figment of Citizen's imagination - photo copyright Bohemian Club of San Francisco
www.sonomacountyfreepress.com
www.piratenews.org/video-archive.html

Quote:

And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel. And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove. And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech. And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem. Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign; and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. And Jehoiakim gave the silver and the gold to Pharaoh; but he taxed the land to give the money according to the commandment of Pharaoh: he exacted the silver and the gold of the people of the land, of every one according to his taxation, to give it unto Pharaohnechoh. Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign; And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his fathers had done.
-2 Kings 23:1-37, Christian Bible KJV

"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. It's terrible! I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco. It's a different set of values, that has been induced into that."
-Dick Nixon, felonious Bohemian Club member who worshiped Molech at Bohemian Grove, president during Roe v Wade, White House audiotape, May 13, 1971 (click link to play audio file)
www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html



Psycho Big Brother loves you... Go back to sleeeeeeeeep...


Where's a damn cop when you need one?
Where did $5-trillion missing taxdollars go at the Pentagon since 9/11/2001?
7,000 criminals cross the wide-open US border every day
to replace the 7,000 US citizens genocided in Death Camps every day
www.political-news.org/photos/20142/us-house-votes-to-wall-up-mexico-b
order.html

www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_01.htm

Quote:

"We have an aging white America. They are dying. We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
-Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas, Arlington, founder of La Raza Unida (The Race United)
www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd180.htm



"He killed me with a sword! How weird is that?! You can't stop the signal. You can never stop the signal..."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO (VERSION 2)
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php

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Sunday, April 2, 2006 12:55 AM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

And why would you "notify the Russians" if it's NOT a nuke (or multiple nukes)? For an underground bomb to send a mushroom cloud over USA, it HAS to be a nuke.


You would probably notify the russians because of a) seismic shock could be detectable in Russia(who knows? Its possible), or b) a show of force, or c) dont want the russians to think its a real nuke, or maybe even d) they were really high and did it on an impulse ("Dude! Check it out, we got a really, really big bomb! Lets see what happens when I touch this button!")

And as for the mushroom cloud, no, that doesn't mean it's a nuke. The cloud happens when an explosion eats up the air and creates a vacuum. All the debris created by the explosion gets sucked up by the vacuum, and distributed in the shape of a mushroom. Just about any decent explosion will do that under the right conditions. Its simple phisics. Maybe you should look it up sometime.



You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Sunday, April 2, 2006 10:12 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverman:

Quote:

And why would you "notify the Russians" if it's NOT a nuke (or multiple nukes)? For an underground bomb to send a mushroom cloud over USA, it HAS to be a nuke.


You would probably notify the russians because of a) seismic shock could be detectable in Russia(who knows? Its possible), or b) a show of force, or c) dont want the russians to think its a real nuke, or maybe even d) they were really high and did it on an impulse ("Dude! Check it out, we got a really, really big bomb! Lets see what happens when I touch this button!").



I hope you're right, but I ain't taking no Vegas Vacation. And I'll have my radiation BS detector turned on (actually, it always runs 24/7 and can't be turned off for 10 years).
www.gammascout.com


Potassium Iodide Tablets
www.approvedgasmasks.com/potassium-iodide.htm
www.ki4u.com

Quote:

ANTHONYT wrote:

I was wondering where you get the potassium from in your diet. Lots of people eat bannannas, the radioactive fruit.



Radiation is good - when it stays in the Earth's core to power the Earth's force field to keep deadly gamma-rays, x-rays and 6-million-mph nuke particles from killing us.

Quote:

The Earth would have cooled off and become a dead rocky globe with a cold iron ball at the core if not for the continued release of heat by the decay of radioactive elements like potassium-40, uranium-238 and thorium-232, which have half-lives of 1.25 billion, 4 billion and 14 billion years, respectively. About one in every thousand potassium atoms is radioactive. The heat generated in the core turns the iron into a convecting dynamo that maintains a magnetic field strong enough to shield the planet from the solar wind.
www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/12/10_heat.shtml



Either Ecuador is depleted in Potassium, or radioactive bananas are a myth (to con the sheeple into loving radiation poisoning from man-made disasters), according to my Gamma Scout, which measures alpha, beta and gamma.

Hell, the Russians already run US Dept of Homeland Security with KGB director General Primakov (paid 10 times more salary than the president of USA), and Russians already have taken over entire US military bases in USA, so they already know all about it. Commie China already own and operate most US ports for the ChiCom Peoples Liberation Army. 1,000s of Communist Chinese and Russian employees are working inside nuke bomb factories in USA. They're probably gonna be roasting marshmallows at the bomb site.

Quote:

"Oak Ridge National Laboratory (nuke bomb factory) is a world campus, and the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and security-related fallout from those tragedies will not change that. ORNL confirmed that about 1,500 foreign nationals from 69 countries - Argentina to Zaire - currently are visiting the Oak Ridge lab. Thom Mason, the director of the Spallation Neutron Source, the biggest U.S. science project under construction, is not an American citizen. "I only got my green card in July,'' Mason said. More than 100 foreign nationals are full-time members of the scientific staff, and those numbers, of course, do not reflect the number of foreign-born scientists and engineers who have become naturalized U.S. citizens over the years. Recent statistics compiled by the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education show that 40 percent of the graduate degrees in nuclear engineering at U.S. institutions were awarded to foreign nationals. Similar stats are found across the sciences and math and computing."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "Oak Ridge lab is truly a global community", October 10, 2001

Quote:

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE EAST TENNESSEE TECHNOLOGY PARK (NUKE BOMB FACTORIES)

Office of Environment, Safety and Health, U.S. Department of Energy (2000)

Pollution above toxic levels surrounding Oak Ridge Nuclear Laboratory (ETTP)

HTML Report (200 pages - Censored by US Dept of Homeland Security)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/index.html

PDF Report (200 pages - Censored by US Dept of Homeland Security)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/0010ettp.html

Verbatum from the declassified portion of the Report:

"Conservative estimates indicated that 35,000 pounds of uranium were released into the air from all sources. 4,300 pounds of uranium a month was unaccounted for or released to the environment. ETTP operates an incinerator which handles radioactive, hazardous and uranium-contaminated PCB wastes. ETTP generated transuranic elements (isotopes with atomic numbers greater than uranium) such as neptunium-237 and plutonium-239; fission products such as techneitum-99; PCBs; toxic metals; and volatile organic compunds such as trichloroethene (TCE) and present risk to the public. Some contaminants migrated outside the Plant boundary. Waste disposal practices included direct discharge of radioactive materials, toxics and caustics to holding ponds and storm drains, and incineration and burial. Reports reflected a number of spills of nitric and hydrochloric acids, in one case 200 gallons. Numerous large fires and explosions were reported. It is impossible to characterize exposure because of inadequate surveys and incomplete records. Records indicate that as contamination levels increased, exposure controls were reduced. Contamination above limits was commonly detected. Operations have released a variety of contaminants into the environment, such as burial of low-level and hazardous waste in landfills and dumping directly into the Clinch River. Large amounts of contaminated equipment and scrap material were sold at public auction. Tens of thousands of pounds of flourine and hydrogen flouride were emitted annually. The investigation team identified over 600 releases of uranium hexaflouride, and a large, visible cloud was released outside a building. Exposure to 'intense clouds' of uranium powder dusts was prevalent and resulted in intense beta radiation fields. Each month dozens or workers were identified as having exposures exceeding plant control guides. Extensive contamination was prevalent. Recordsindicate many air samples in excess of Plant Allowable Limits. Both chemical and radiological materials have routinely been discharged from the Plant, from both sanitary sewage and storm water systems and materials were directly discharged in Mitchell Branch and Poplar Creek. One million pounds of blowdown water was discharged a day. The hexavalent chromium concentration in Poplar Creek is equal to the level regulated by the site's permit. Contents of 500 uranium hexafloride and other gas cylinders were emptied into the unlined holding pond by shooting the cylinders with high-powered rifles, and this pond discharged into Poplar Creek. Records confirm that radiation exceeded drinking water standards. Over 80,000 drums of pond sludge with low concentrations of uranium were generated in 1988. Ventilation was modified to discharge mercury fumes above the roof. Elevated levels of mercury were found in urinalyses. Records refer to the recovery of tons of mercury. Traps would blow out spilling mercury on the floor. Air sampling in the 1990s identified mercury levels several times the Threshold Limit Value. Continual and volumnous process leaks (blowoffs) were vented to the atmosphere. 4,300 pounds of uranium hexaflouride were released per month. Losses were excessive. 10,000 union grievances were filed and management disputed grievances concerning safety in favor of economic considerations. Many storm drains were not moitored before 1992, and routine and accidental wastes have adversely impacted the environment and the aquatic habitat. Weaknesses in the sampling and monitoring of air pollutant emissions raise concerns regarding the accuracy of public dose and exposure calculations. Environmental radiological protection and surveillance are not compliant with DOE Order. Few records reflect involvement by the Atomic Energy Commission in investigations of serious events. Levels of airborne radioactivity were as high as 35,800 dpm/ft3, and far exceeded the PAL of 2 dpm/ft3. [That's radiation levels over 17,000 times the maximum limit.] Airborne radioactivity far in excess of normal background levels was measured off-site as far as five miles away. A number of criticality and sub-criticality accident experiments were performed and posed a severe radiation hazard. Bladder cancer rates were seven times higher than for the general population, and stomach ulcers were 6.5 times greater. Inhalation of airborn radiation can increase the risk of future cancer." [verbatum from the Report]

NOTE: This report only covered the K-25 plant, not the DOE National Nuclear Security Administration's Y-12 nuclear bombs factory, not the thousands of contaminated lab rats from ORNL's Y-12 nuclear bombs factory Mouse House that are incinerated at the University of Tennessee Medical Center in downtown Knoxville, and did not cover Top Secret "criticality" pollution, "referred to as 'special hazards'" (ie, "small" explosions due to accidental nuclear reactions), and "are discussed in a separate classifed document." The GOPS government of Tennessee previously gave ETTP/ORNL a clean bill of health in 1999.

www.geocities.com/knoxville_tn_epa


Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments (ACHRE)
http://gwis.circ.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation

ACHRE was created by President Clinton on January 15, 1994 to investigate and report on the use of human beings as subjects of federally funded research using ionizing radiation.

11. Intentional Releases: Lifting the Veil of Secrecy
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap11.html





Never mind those funny clouds, Norm, it's only a test
www.terranova.net

Book: Lord I'm walking your way,
Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes Lord,
And my sins will play out on them as on a screen.
Read them all. Forgive what you can and send me on my path.
I will walk on until you bid me rest.

Mal: I hope that ain't for me, Shepherd.

Book: That's a prayer for the Dead.

Mal: Then I really hope it ain't for me!
-Serenity The Big Damn DVD

Quote:

Ron Glass is one of the famous alumni of Saint Francis Seminary. A man with as many talents as friends is Big "G" from Evansville, Indiana. Ron says his most memorable experience at the seminary is the time he had to sing his solo for the clerics at St. Leonard College.
www.franciscan-alumni.org/stories/glass.html


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Sunday, April 2, 2006 6:24 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


PirateNews,

The shotgunning of information you present makes it difficult to argue a single point. If we focus on one or two of your theories, it would be easier to stay on topic.

Your counter-argument... why notify the Russians if it's not nuclear?

Simple enough. We have an agreement with them that we won't set off nukes anymore. The explosion is large enough to be mistaken for a nuke, and will be visible from space by monitoring satellites.

To prevent any misunderstandings, you want to tell them what it is.

Now, did you want to shift the topic to abortion, the definition of genocide, or the definition of judaism?

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, April 2, 2006 10:59 PM

RIGHTEOUS9


Hey Piratejenny,

Yeah, diebold and the like are a big issue.

I basically agree with you. A revolution is what they need. I'm not sure I put the blame on the people at this point, for not rising up. I take the basic premise that people are people, meaning that, if these people have reacted differently in this situation than others have in a different situation, the overall circumstances must be different, even if that circumstance is mindset alone.

And I can't really see it being too heartening, to actually have a revolution(they did revolt against their oppressive government) only to have their chosen leader undermined not only by the people's enemies, but by the United States(if I were to distinguish the two). That's the sort of result that feeds apathy, and teaches helplessness, and quite frankly its the far more common result of a revolution...replace one bad regime with another. I wasn't saying the U.S. was unique for revolting...I was saying it was rare for succeeding in making something better.

The only other thing is I really don't remember a day of our revolution. I can't really claim that "WE" overthrew the British and "WE" earned our freedoms. I didn't earn them any more than the bussers at the restaurant I work at did. Would I fight for such a thing if I were put in the situation? I'd like to think I would, but I don't know.

Aside of those quibbles, I agree with you. In fact, after reading a post of yours before the one you posted to me, I was wondering why I was engaging in this long debate, because in the context of that post, my post didn't seem as well founded. But I never read that one, and just saw a post that, while not wrong in any way, seemed to frame this particular issue by chastising the people who don't have the power(or at least haven't realized the power), rather than the ones who have it and are abusing it. My appologies, if I misinterpreted.


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Monday, April 3, 2006 3:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I know that it's irritating for people to wander away from a thread and then try to revive dead parts of the discussion. All I can say is that real life intervened. I've said more than once that I'm of two minds (maybe three or four) about illegal immigration. So perhaps you can help me out.

Should we even consider paperless immigration a crime? Someone early in the dicussion said people should be able to go wherever they want to go. Forgetting "Mexicans" (and other Hispanics) for a moment, let's take the position that anybody- Asian, African, European, whatever- who can fly, walk, or boat to the United States should be able to work and live here. What would result?

Well, likely we would have a mass influx from societies that are poorer than ours. Doubtful we would get many Danes, Swedes, or Germans. In all likelihood we would see the poorest from the closest nations (Mexicans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, etc.) and the poor to middle class (what little there is of it) from farther nations (Sudanese, Rwandans, Indonesians, Russians etc.) Very few poor speak English (going by current situation) and many do not read or write in any language.

Where would that leave us? Well, first of all these people would be able to legally look for work. But most would be at a language and education disadvantage, and not knowing their rights and the US political system (being accustomed to meager eomployment and abusive, authoritarian societies) it's likely that many would be willingly exploited at work and isolated into ghettos at home, no matter what the law says. We could raise the minimum wage so as not to be exploitative and enforce work rules (set a few corporate heads on pikes at the city gates as examples) but that would prolly create unemployment and drive the marginal economy underground and back into illegal territory.

And then what do we do for the un- and under-employed? Welfare? State health insurance (like Medical)? Housing vouchers? The more I go down this thought experiment, the more it seems to me that even with the best of intentions unregulated immigration would be a national disaster. Does anyone see a different outcome?




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Free as in freedom, not beer.

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Monday, April 3, 2006 8:20 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

PirateNews,

The shotgunning of information you present makes it difficult to argue a single point. If we focus on one or two of your theories, it would be easier to stay on topic.

Now, did you want to shift the topic to abortion, the definition of genocide, or the definition of judaism?



The point is that USA is currently under attack by Civil War, fomented from within and by foreign powers, both govt and corporate. Criminal immigration (invasion) is merely a single front in this war, like the Western Front in Europe was just one front in World War 2. The best way to lose a war is to focus on only one front, while leaving your flank undefended.

In the case of criminal invasion, the best way to lose a war is to provide zero defense of your border, as in the Mexican border without any guards, fences or walls, with 7,000 criminal terrorists invading USA daily, 365 days every year - then they have 10 anchor babies that allegedly have US citizenship (so deport the parents and put them in orphanages - or better yet, sell them at a profit overseas, perhaps to European, Israeli, Arab, Asian, Mexican and South American slave brothels, to save them from US slave brothels).

Genocide of stupid US citizens is proceeding nicely, with 200-million US citizens genocided in Death Camps in the past century - abortions, children and adults.
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_01.htm

The published official goal of US Govt and the 50 state govts is to genocide 90% of US citizens and the world, via bioweaponized viruses, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Bioweaponized HIV/AIDS is not fast enough - they publicly bragged last week that they need a man-made virus that kills within 48 hours, sprayed from aircraft (named "chemtrails" by US Congress), before the antidote can be destributed.

For those of you who laff at Jewish/Luciferian/Molech death cult at Bohemian Grove presidential compound, the lowly scientists and professors have their own death cult. These are the psychopaths who actually create the bioweapons in govt university laboratories:

Quote:

Meeting Doctor Doom

by Dr. Forrest M. Mims III
www.forrestmims.org


Dr. Eric Pianka - his students literally call him "GOD"

There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year.

But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.

This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us. Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka's strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind. Suddenly I forgot that I was a member of the Texas Academy of Science and chairman of its Environmental Science Section. Instead, I grabbed a notepad so I could take on the role of science reporter.

www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p
www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/editorial-p



Disection of the history of this genocide program:

Quote:

US professor wants genocide of 5.5-billion humans by bioterrorism

Fellow professors and scientists applause and roar approval at elite's twisted and genocidal population control agenda.

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones,
PrisonPlanet.com,
April 3 2006.

A top scientist gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Science last month in which he advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the population through the airborne ebola virus. Dr. Eric R. Pianka's chilling comments, and their enthusiastic reception again underscore the elite's agenda to enact horrifying measures of population control.


Ebola victims bleed to death

Dr Pianka names all his pets "Lucifer", before he slaughters and cannibalizes them:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Evaranus/obit.html

Pianka's speech was ordered to be kept off the record before it began as cameras were turned away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in attendance. (HOWEVER AN AUDIOTAPE WAS MADE COVERTLY AND IS NOW BEING TRANSCRIPTED AND PREPPED FOR INTERNET POSTING)

Saying the public was not ready to hear the information presented, Pianka began by exclaiming, "We're no better than bacteria!", as he jumped into a doomsday malthusian rant about overpopulation destroying the earth.

Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every orifice.

Pianka then cited the Peak Oil fraud as another reason to initiate global genocide. "And the fossil fuels are running out," he said, "so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people."
www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm

Later, the scientist welcomed the potential devastation of bird flu and spoke glowingly of China's enforced one child policy, before zestfully commenting, "We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth."

At the end of Pianka's speech the audience erupted not to a chorus of boos and hisses but to a raucous reception of applause and cheers as audience members clammered to get close to the scientist to ask him follow up questions. Pianka was later presented with a distinguished scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.

One horrified observer was able to make notes on the speech and our gratitude goes to Forrest M. Mims for bringing this sickening display to the attention of the world. (interviewed on www.infowars.com radio today)
www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p

Throughout history elites have invented justification for barbaric practices as a cover for their true agenda of absolute power and control over populations. Up until the 19th century, the transatlantic slave trade was justified by saying that the practice was biblical and therefore morally redeemable in nature, despite the fact that no such bible passage exists.

From 1932 until 1972, the Tuskegee Study Group (pictured below) deliberately infected poor black communities in Alabama with syphilis without their consent and withheld treatment as the diseased rampaged through the town killing families.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_study

Pianka's doomsday warning of the population bomb, for which Mims claims he presented no evidence whatsoever, is complete pseudo-science. Populations in developed countries are declining and only in third world countries is it expanding dramatically. Industrialization itself levels out population trends and even despite this world population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that. "The population of the most developed countries will remain virtually unchanged at 1.2 billion until 2050," states a nited Nations report. Conservation International's own study revealed that 46% of the earth's surface was an untouched wilderness, that is land areas not including sea. It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land.
www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/un.population/
www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200212%5CC
UL20021206b.html


Think about the magnitude of Pianka's statements. He wants to kill nine out of every ten members of your family and he wants to kill them in one of the most painful and agonizing ways imaginable.

If Pianka, or 'The Lizard Man' as he likes to be called, is so vehement in the necessity of culling the human population will he step forward to be the first one in line? Will he sacrifice his children for the so-called greater good of the planet? We somehow doubt it.

Will the students who so enthusiastically greeted his ideas go home and kill themselves for the cause if it is so righteous?

It was noted how Pianka presented his argument with the kind of glee that you would see in a demented serial killer before dispatching his victim. This is an attitude we have encountered again and again. To discuss killing 90% of the world's population via a horrific plague is sick enough within itself but you would at least expect its advocates to be serious and sober in their approach to the subject. The opposite seems to be the case, where the subject is aired in a context of lighthearted lip- smacking and hand-rubbing as if the individual was about to sink his teeth into a T-bone steak.

This window gives us a clear view of exactly why these deranged bastards encompass this ideology. They love death and their lives are motivated by dark influences very different to you or I.

In the 21st century the elite are concerned that from over 6 billion people might spring a new elite to challenge their stranglehold on the reigns of power. This is one reason for desire to cull the population down to a manageable level. Another is control over the behavior of the existing serfs and herding them like cattle into the slaughter house.

As we have documented, members of the elite are quite open in their feverish lust to commit mass murder and ethnic cleansing. In the foreword to his biography If I Were An Animal, Prince Philip wrote, "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says:

"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national
security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S."

Kissinger prepared a depopulation manifesto for President Jimmy Carter called 'Global 2000' which detailed using food as a weapon to depopulate the third world.
www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

One of the most chilling admissions of deadly intent came from the lips of the late Jacques Cousteau, the sainted environmental icon. In an interview with the UNESCO Courier for November 1991 the famed oceanographer said:

"The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics — it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangaladeshes. The damage is directly linked to consumption. Our society is turning toward more and needless consumption. It is a vicious circle that I compare to cancer. This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."

The Melbourne Age reported on recently uncovered documents detailing Nobel Peace Prize winning microbiologist Sir Macfarlane Burnet's plan to help the Australian government develop biological weapons for use against Indonesia and other "overpopulated" countries of South-East Asia.
www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/100604_burnets_solution.html

Pianka's ideology is in the same league as Hitler, Pol Pot, and the rest of history's despots who advocated mass extermination and had the temerity to dress it up in a 'noble' Straussian facade. We demand that he be investigated for openly calling for mass murder and in the meantime we encourage everyone to click here and e mail Pianka, enabling him to receive your feedback about his wish to kill your children.
pianka@mail.utexas.edu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infowarsnews/message/828

MORE DETAILS OF IATROGENOCIDE IN USA TODAY:
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/202

See also:

US patents on HIV/AIDS mycoplasma and Congressional Report ordering
invention of HIV/AIDS:
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.boydgraves.com
www.gulfwarvets.com
www.geocities.com/gulwarnationalguard


Queen Elizabeth aka Queen of Babylon at Bohemian Grove and King/Prince Philip of 55-nation British Commonwealth Empire that's merging with USA via NAFTA/SHAFTA

"In the event that I am reincarnated I would like to return as a deadly virus in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
—His Royal Highness Prince Philip, husband of German Queen Elizabeth Sax CoBurg Gotha of England, father-in-law who murdered Princess Diana, from autobiography, head of Porton Down bioweapons lab that rountinely genocides British citizens and livestock, "Down to Earth: Speeches and Writings of His Royal Highness Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, on the Relationship of Man With His Environment", in chapter titled, "His Royal Virus"
www.amazon.com




Georgia Guidestones are taller than Stonehenge and 125 tons, beside Hwy 77
www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Quote:

THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

On one of the highest hilltops in Elbert County, Georgia stands a huge granite monument. Engraved in eight different languages on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. That monument is alternately referred to as The Georgia Guidestones, or the American Stonehenge. Though relatively unknown to most people, it is an important link to the Occult Hierarchy that dominates the world in which we live.


Genocide program written in Hebrew

The origin of that strange monument is shrouded in mystery because no one knows the true identity of the man, or men, who commissioned its construction. All that is known for certain is that in June 1979, a well-dressed, articulate stranger visited the office of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company and announced that he wanted to build an edifice to transmit a message to mankind. He identified himself as R. C. Christian, but it soon became apparent that was not his real name.

The messages engraved on the Georgia Guidestones deal with four major fields:

(1) Governance and the establishment of a world government (overthrow of USA)
(2) Population and reproduction control (genocide of USA)
(3) The environment and man's relationship to nature, and (declaring US land off-limits to humans)
(4) Spirituality (occult world religion).

1. "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."

Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people.

"Since the site was unveiled to the public in a ceremony attended by more than 400 people in 1980, it has been the object of both wonder and controversy. Local ministers denounced it as satanic. Wiccans have traveled from near and far to hold pagan ceremonies."
http://www.southwrite.com/articles/stones.htm

Georgia Rosicrucian Guidestones
(Luciferian Jewish Masonic Mafia)
www.rrcg.org

Modern Stonehenges all over USA for Satanic rituals today:
http://web.umr.edu/~stonehen/answers/text2.html



Criminal invasion by 40-million to 100-million diseased terrorist slaves via undefended borders, 9/11, Battle of New Orleans, Afghan/Iraq/Iran Wars, NAFTA/SHAFTA, exporting factories to Commie China, giving US ports and Homeland Security contracts to Commie China and Arabs (British Empire), counterfeiting all US "dollars" by foreign (Jewish) private Fed Reserve Bank, voluntary unratified income tax, turning every road into a toll road and every car into a govt TAXicab via GPS taxation by the mile and GPS traffic tickets by mail to replace police, prosecutors and courts with foreign corporations, looting of $70-trillion/year of CAFR govt pension funds... All these crimes are perped by the same criminal gang of traitors and foreign powers, that brags openly and calls itself the "New World Order".

USA is under attack in a WAR, and most US citizens are so brain dead they don't even recognize a war in their own neighborhood.

The Gulf War alone has murdered 200,000 US soldiers, according to US Govt's Veterans Admistration in 2005:
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/200

Are YOU braindead? Will YOU survive? Will YOU do ANYTHING at all to save your nation and your family? Just don't wait for a Hero to arrest and prosecute Dr Pianka for premeditated bioterrorism, since they're too busy arresting 100-million US citizens every year for traffic tickets for the non-crime of safe driving without causing a crash, or, for parking safely which now a terrorist act (the car might explode!).


Wash: Dammit! I don't need a Back Spaceship Pilot! That's it! Fine! You wanna fly? Fuckin fly! I'll be in my bunk.
-Serenity The Big Damn DVD

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO (VERSION 2)
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php

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Monday, April 3, 2006 9:27 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
And then what do we do for the un- and under-employed? Welfare? State health insurance (like Medical)? Housing vouchers? The more I go down this thought experiment, the more it seems to me that even with the best of intentions unregulated immigration would be a national disaster. Does anyone see a different outcome?


---------------------------------
Free as in freedom, not beer.



I think it also needs to be pointed out that these people need things to do. I live in Texas, which means that any nasty job you can think of, especially ones outside like construction or landscaping are done by Mexicans. I have no doubt that illegals work their asses off for pennies on the legal dollar. However, even so there is not a limitless supply of labour especially in agricultural areas which means a good worker isn't at absolute bargain basement levels of pay right now. An open border would not make more jobs, just increase the people chasing after them ironically it would be bad news even for current illegals.


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Monday, April 3, 2006 11:58 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Terrorist traitors hoist Mexican flag at a California school
www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_3657604

Quote:

"We have an aging white America. They are dying. We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
-Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas, Arlington, founder of La Raza Unida (The Race United)



We need to get Prof Pianka and Prof Gutierrez, lock em in a room, and videotape their Celebrity Death Match.

But this looks like fun - burning Mexican flags flying over US govt facilities:

Quote:

Immigration tensions spark flag-burning in A.J.

By Blake Herzog, Tribune
March 31, 2006

This week’s tensions over immigration reform literally caught fire in the East Valley on Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

“I know (they) shouldn’t have burned the Mexican flag,” said Jacob Stewart, a 16-year-old sophomore. “I heard it was raised above the American flag and that just irked me.”

Six students — three Hispanic and three white — will be disciplined, principal Chad Wilson said.

Wilson said in a letter sent home to parents that there would be “increased supervision, including additional police officers, on the campus over the next couple of days.”

Wilson said the increased security would include four off-duty police officers the district hired as security guards, along with its regular school resource officer.

School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this week, including an incident in which a Houston high school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus’ U.S. and state flags.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/62231.html



What's the big deal? Give the flag-burners an award ceremony, and send the Mexicans back to Mexico that they love so much.

Quote:


Halliburton builds concentration camps for illegal aliens needing geography lessons

Flash Video: "Fuck the Gringos"

Why WeHateGringos.com?

The League of United Latin America Citizens (LULAC) set up the website called www.WeAreRacist.com and www.WeAreRacists.com. It had photos of our friends, portrayed as racists. We were infuriated and decided to build a website.
www.lulac.org

The Flash Intro below exposes some of the hatred they hold toward Americans.

Music video We Are The Race, Mexican terrorists in USA, burning US flags in USA, Spics wearing Communist uniforms in USA, and Spic Gangs running amok perping violent crimes as usual.

VIEW FLASH VIDEO:
www.WeHateGringos.com


Millions of illegal aliens are in Mexican gangs

WeHateGringos.com is a project of www.ForTheCause.us



Quote:

"We have an aging white America. They are dying. We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
-Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas, Arlington, founder of La Raza Unida (The Race United)
www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd180.htm



US Code, Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.



Why is an "illegal alien" not prosecuted with a CRIME, but anyone not wearing a seatbelt in Tennessee is JAILED for 30 days (and for all other victimless traffic violations), but govt school busses are NOT allowed to install seat belts in Tennessee? Tennessee govt conspired to sell driver license contracts to 250,000 illegal aliens, and gave the test in SPANISH language.

Isn't our Gangsta Govt INSANE?

"He killed me with a sword! How weird is that?! You can't stop the signal. You can never stop the signal..."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

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Monday, April 3, 2006 12:43 PM

FLETCH2


But John that can never happen because the British-Commie_Nazi_Jews that run the world wouldn't let it.

Be consistant man. How can we poke fun at you if you cant even keep your delusions straight?

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Monday, April 3, 2006 1:03 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Fletch2 (Jew Chevy Chase's name in the movie Fletch), your IQ is [* MOD ACTION: personal attacks and flaming are not accepted on these forums -- if this continues, threads will be moved wholesale to troll country and accounts may be suspended *]

Quote:

"Help U.S. Border Patrol Agents Fight Amnesty. While President Bush and many of our politicians are selling us out we need millions of "good hearted" Americans who actually care about what we do to back us up. The country continues to be overrun with thousands more illegal aliens every single day folks. We're losing this battle - big time. This isn't some concocted story, it's a fact from the front lines. If you want to live in a dream world ask the people in Washington D.C. what's going on. They'll confuse you with the pretty talk they learn in politicians' school (classes currently being administered by Vicente Fox in Cancun, Mexico). If you want to know the real story ask us. Amnesty DOES NOT WORK. They tried it in 1986. It was an absolute disaster. George Bush steadfastly refuses to listen to the people who put him in office."
-U.S. BORDER PATROL, LOCAL 2544, TUCSON, ARIZONA
www.local2544.org

"There are some Mexican citizens and some Mexican- Americans who want to see California, New Mexico and other parts of the Southwestern United States given over to Mexico. These groups call it the reconquista, Spanish for reconquest. And they view the millions of Mexican illegal aliens in particular entering the United States as potentially an army of invaders to achieve that takeover."
-Lou Dobbs, CNN News
www.rense.com/general70/raci.htm

"In his speech to the throngs of students, Thomas Kean (the business partner of Bin Laden's family who Bush Jr put in charge of his 9/11 Commission) kept stressing his biggest fear... that the terrorists would smuggle a nuke into this country and set it off. He recommended biometric ID cards for everyone! I thought about the Bush Administration pushing to let the Communist Chinese screen cargo coming through Panama ports, to make sure no nukes get in. The hypocrisy was almost unbearable. It is the same tired old mantra... "give up your freedom or the boogey man will get you". Mr. Kean's admissions that he is not interested in following the money trail, and that the controlled demolition of building 7 is unimportant are ample proof that 9/11 was an inside job, Kean was hired to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheep, and if we give up our liberty to these people, we will never get it back. He did make a few very telling remarks, repeating over and over again that the biggest threat right now is small nuclear devices being smuggled in across our completely unsecured borders and setting off the next escalation of the so-called war on terror."
www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/keane_lecture_southwestern_university
.htm


"The U.S. Senate voted on Wednesday to make President Bush get congressional approval before developing new classes of smaller nuclear weapons, but backed the repeal of a decade-long ban on their study and development. The low-yield weapons would have one-third or less of the force of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in World War II, which killed more than 100,000 people."
www.antiwar.com/ewens/?articleid=610

"Over the city of Hiroshima, the Enola Gay dropped an 8,900-pound atomic weapon from its specially modified bomb bay. Two thousand feet above the ground, the bomb, dubbed "Little Boy" by its makers, detonated, leveling almost 90% of the city. Local geography spared Nagasaki from the near total devastation suffered by Hiroshima; only one third of the city was destroyed. Fat Man and Little Boy, both weapons of unparalleled destructive power, were actually quite different. Little Boy, fueled by highly enriched uranium-235, was triggered by a simple "gun" mechanism; a small, slug-shaped piece of uranium was fired down a barrel into a larger, cup-shaped piece. This elementary design generated a destructive force of about 15 kilotons—the equivalent of 15,000 tons of TNT. A much more complex implosion-type device triggered Fat Man. It consisted of a plutonium core surrounded by high explosives wired to explode simultaneously. The shock waves from these conventional explosions triggered the fission of the plutonium, which yielded a 22 kiloton explosion. Altogether, the two bombings killed an estimated 110,000 Japanese (Catholic) citizens and injured another 130,000. By 1950, another 230,000 Japanese had died from injuries or radiation."
www.factmonster.com/spot/hiroshima1.html


Vegas Vacation - USA nuked 1,050 times by the NWO



Let's do the math:

Hiroshima nuke = 15,000 tons TNT killed 250,00
Nagasaki nuke = 22,000 tons TNT killed 90,000
Las Vegas mininuke 2006 = 700 tons TNT will kill 500,000 in the right city...

So... Bush Gang will claim the Iranians walked mininukes into USA thru the open Mexican border, "justifying" invasion of Iran (but NOT invasion of Mexico) and martial law in USA... Is that the real reason for NAFTA, with the borders unguarded?

Have YOU read Operation NORTHWOODS? Are YOU ready?
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

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Monday, April 3, 2006 2:10 PM

FLETCH2


John, you [* MOD ACTION: personal attacks and flaming are not accepted on these forums -- if this continues, threads will be moved wholesale to troll country and accounts may be suspended *]

I've seen Serenity 8 times in the theatre (hint: you need to use your special hand to count that high) and probably a good dozen times on DVD.

I don't work for the government, in fact nobody that does work for the government cares what you think, if you think at all that is.

Fletch is for Fletcher a really good old fashioned Norman "Craft" name like Cooper and Smith. It means maker of arrows. It's less Jewish than yours is in fact. Lee is from middle English, and means a sheltered place like a clearing in a wood that is not used for farming. Useless and sheltered is actually a good description of you... who knew names could be so informative?

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