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Separated at Birth?

POSTED BY: DAYVE
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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:33 PM

DAYVE



Aw, Zipster – say it ain’t so….! For so many years now, I have admired your dry, sardonic wit, your existentialist angst, and your calm demeanor in the face of overwhelming corporate evil. Now I find that your twin brother is GW Bushy…. My world has crumbled and I am left in deep despair.

But wait… could it be that Bushy is your evil twin..? The sinister Mr. Hyde to your Doctor Jekyll. That must be the answer. For how is it possible for someone such as you, with all your light and charm, to be related to my arch nemesis, the master of doom. Give me a sign Zippy – let me know that you are still the same all-knowing, benevolent persona of good will that I have grown to know and love.



ok, so maybe not so Real World to you – but you have to admit that GW in a silk dress is pretty funny…..

HAPPY THANKSGIVING


edit: i mean, come to think of it, Laura doesn't even dress this well....



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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:30 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


OMG, Dayve! You nailed that one spot on! Good show! Well done! Oh and Happy Belated Birthday! Coulda done in the birthday thread but you're more apt to notice it here.


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Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


To say that's a bit of a stretch is an understatement.

But one could ask, are you being biggoted toward the Far East, making fun of their formal wear ? Regardless of who is wearing it, calling it a 'silk dress' is pretty demeaning of another culture.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:20 AM

DAYVE


"But one could ask, are you being biggoted toward the Far East, making fun of their formal wear ? Regardless of who is wearing it, calling it a 'silk dress' is pretty demeaning of another culture."


Auraptor... i thought about that and the last thing i would want to do is demean anothers culture, but in my view Mr. Bush has done enough to demean the culture of people that he has very little real knowledge of already. I apoligize for any hard feelings - but as i see it you can dress em up or dress em down.. and you still can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear....

but i stand on my Laura statement....!

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Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:30 AM

DAYVE



Thanks Jon...
And thanks for having a sense of humor... i did not mean to offend... but my first thought after seeing GW in the traditional attire was, man, i wonder what the gang down in the west Texas oil patch would have to say about ole 'Shrub' now.... i'm sure they got a laugh out of it...

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Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Dayve:
"But one could ask, are you being biggoted toward the Far East, making fun of their formal wear ? Regardless of who is wearing it, calling it a 'silk dress' is pretty demeaning of another culture."


Auraptor... i thought about that and the last thing i would want to do is demean anothers culture, but in my view Mr. Bush has done enough to demean the culture of people that he has very little real knowledge of already. I apoligize for any hard feelings - but as i see it you can dress em up or dress em down.. and you still can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear....

but i stand on my Laura statement....!



No hard feelings. But exactly how has Bush demeaned any one's culture?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Grow a sense of humor, Twerp.

Of anyone, you need it most, especially what with your demigod being a moron.

-Frem

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Friday, November 24, 2006 11:37 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by Dayve:

Thanks Jon...
And thanks for having a sense of humor... i did not mean to offend... but my first thought after seeing GW in the traditional attire was, man, i wonder what the gang down in the west Texas oil patch would have to say about ole 'Shrub' now.... i'm sure they got a laugh out of it...


NP, Dayve. I used the AP photo fer a laugh here at work myself. And the funny part was aimed at Bush (and Putin)'s expression at having to wear a silk "dress", not at the Vietnamese. And something to keep in mind about this particular discussion, being compared to Zippy in not a bad thing...


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Friday, November 24, 2006 11:50 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Grow a sense of humor, Twerp.

Of anyone, you need it most, especially what with your demigod being a moron.

-Frem

Although you may not often phrase it politely you do have away at getting to the truth of the issue on occasion.



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Friday, November 24, 2006 1:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Grow a sense of humor, Twerp.

Of anyone, you need it most, especially what with your demigod being a moron.

-Frem



Dunno if that was directed toward me or not. But if it was, I have to respond as Angel did, in S-3 of Buffy

" I'm a funny guy "



People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:13 PM

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:36 PM

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What is he, Zombie Lenin?



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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:17 AM

DAYVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
.....exactly how has Bush demeaned any one's culture?



I think bombing a city of innocent men, women and children for no good reason would be considered demeaning to one’s culture… but that’s just me…. I may just be too sensitive to the whole human rights thing…

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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:38 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Dayve:
I think bombing a city of innocent men, women and children for no good reason would be considered demeaning to one’s culture… but that’s just me…. I may just be too sensitive to the whole human rights thing…

Or, more likely, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

However, the picture of the world leaders all dressed in flashy ao dai was a bit amusing. Putin, the former KGB agent, much more then anyone.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:28 AM

DAYVE


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Or, more likely, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.



I don’t know Finn, I think I have a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about. Perhaps what I say doesn’t translate very well to people who still believe that a pre-emptive war on a sovereign nation was a good idea…. I would suggest picking up a copy of the latest issue of The New Republic for some interesting reading on the subject of what to do about the war in Iraq. There are several differing opinions of the options available to us, but the overall conclusion is pretty much the same. The neo-con war in the Middle East was ill conceived, poorly planned and nothing short of a total fiasco.

Mr. Bush can dress in the traditional attire of whatever country he wants, but it still can’t hide the fact that the emperor has no clothes.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:07 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Dayve:
I would suggest picking up a copy of the latest issue of The New Republic for some interesting reading on the subject of what to do about the war in Iraq.

Really, the New Republic, huh? A Liberal Advocacy Journal has it all figured out. Although that same Liberal journal was all gung-ho about the war a few years ago, so why should I assume that they’ve got it figured out now?



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:45 AM

DAYVE


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
A Liberal Advocacy Journal has it all figured out.



That's not what I wrote. I said there were differing opinions presented. And, yes the editors of the magazine did support the war. Their view is clearly stated. I at least try to get different perspectives on an issue and TNR tends to be more balanced than some.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Dayve:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
.....exactly how has Bush demeaned any one's culture?



I think bombing a city of innocent men, women and children for no good reason would be considered demeaning to one’s culture… but that’s just me…. I may just be too sensitive to the whole human rights thing…



That has nothing to do w/ demeaning any culture, unless you count throat cutting terrorist as a 'culture'. And you're falsly assuming civilian casualties were the intended targets, when they absolutely were not. Unlike when the German buzz bombed the London, or when al Qaeda attacked the entire West on 9/11. THOSE were attacks meant to demean a culture, not what is happening in Iraq. Not by a long shot.

You're not too senstive to the whole human rights thing, you're just too one sided on the issue.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:01 AM

RUE

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Dayve,

I feel for you. Just to let you know, by my experience you're banging your head on a brick wall. Some people are impervious to reason and fact.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by rue:
Dayve,

I feel for you. Just to let you know, by my experience you're banging your head on a brick wall. Some people are impervious to reason and fact.



Nice try. But my views are based in reason and fact. Unlike other's who post here.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:21 AM

DAYVE


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
......you're just too one sided on the issue.



I don’t think you can say that civilians were not targeted… that seemed to be the whole “shock and awe” strategy. Bomb a country into submission by inflecting the maximum amount of damage knowing full well that civilians would suffer the most - (if that’s not culture shock, than I don’t know what is). And if I’m not mistaken, the beheadings and level of terrorism has done nothing but increase as a result of Bush’s war.

But yes sir, you are absolutely correct about my one sided view on the issue. I am firmly on the side that favors NOT killing people. Sorry we disagree, but that’s one decision on which I will remain unmoved.

And thanks, Rue… I should know better by now -


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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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I don’t think you can say that civilians were not targeted… that seemed to be the whole “shock and awe” strategy


I can and do say that civilians weren't targeted, because that's not shock and awe strategy at all. ( Add to the fact that 'shock & awe' wasn't fully emplemented ) All S&A means is that force would be so quickly and widely used that the enemy military could not respond to any ONE thing. We didn't by ANY stretch of the imagination carpet bomb Bagdhad, as we would have done in WW2. That's the point, that we used our smart bombs to specifically target military targets as to limit collateral damage. No such care to spare innocent life has ever been attempted and achieved by ANY military in all of human history.

I happen to favor doing something, even if it means collateral damage, in order to remove a threat like Saddam. Civilian deaths are a unavoidable and necessary evil during war. That's what was needed to defeat Hitler. You seem perfectly fine to allow such tyrants to carry on with their actual torture, rape rooms, mass graves, gassing of entire villages, ignoring UN resolutions, and what ever the hell he deems necessary to survive.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:41 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Add to the fact that 'shock & awe' wasn't fully emplemented


Shock and Awe was abandoned because it failed to "awe".
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You seem perfectly fine to allow such tyrants to carry on with their actual torture, rape rooms, mass graves, gassing of entire villages, ignoring UN resolutions, and what ever the hell he deems necessary to survive.

Um, with the (possible?) exception of the gassing of entire villages, haven't we seen the rest of these take place by our own?

Here was my entry into the Bush and Putin Beauty Contest:
Based on Bush and Putin’s expressions, do you think they like their new choir robes?



"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:29 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Shock and Awe was abandoned because it failed to "awe".
Cute, but no. It was abandoned because Turkey didn't allow for US forces to use their bases. The plan was to have forces coming from the North and the South, at the same time.

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Um, with the (possible?) exception of the gassing of entire villages, haven't we seen the rest of these take place by our own?


Umm...no. Not even remotely.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:12 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Shock and Awe was abandoned because it failed to "awe".

Cute, but no. It was abandoned because Turkey didn't allow for US forces to use their bases. The plan was to have forces coming from the North and the South, at the same time.


It might not do any good but:
http://zfacts.com/p/340.html
specifically the Did Shock and Awe Work? section.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You seem perfectly fine to allow such tyrants to carry on with their actual torture, rape rooms, mass graves, gassing of entire villages, ignoring UN resolutions, and what ever the hell he deems necessary to survive.
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Um, with the (possible?) exception of the gassing of entire villages, haven't we seen the rest of these take place by our own?

Umm...no. Not even remotely.


Really? We didn't just toss Geneva to the winds? There was no Abu Grabe? No Gitmo? We've heard no stories of rape by our troops? We didn't ignore the UN's pleadings to wait? We didn't proceed without the UN's blessing? And where do you suppose all those bodies go when they die? We seem intent on arguing about where their souls end up, but how are so many casualties handled? You need to pull your head out of the desert sand.

P.S. I really not a snarky person at all but RWED just brings out the worst in all of us. I actually think you are a bright and thoughful being. If that helps any...


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:58 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Really? We didn't just toss Geneva to the winds? There was no Abu Grabe? No Gitmo? We've heard no stories of rape by our troops?

When comparing the US to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, I’d say that’s a pretty good approximation. My guess is that you don’t really know the history of Abu Ghraib under the Ba’ath regime, do you?

As far as proceeding without the UN’s blessing, it seems to me that 17 chapter seven resolutions against Iraq that were blatantly ignored by Hussein should count for something, especially considering that the UNSC had been bought off with Hussein’s money.

I can respect reasonable criticism of the US and this war, but trying to make the US out like the Iraqi regime, that’s something else, entirely.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:42 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You seem perfectly fine to allow such tyrants to carry on with their actual torture, rape rooms, mass graves, gassing of entire villages, ignoring UN resolutions, and what ever the hell he deems necessary to survive.


Um, with the (possible?) exception of the gassing of entire villages, haven't we seen the rest of these take place by our own?
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Umm...no. Not even remotely.

Really? We didn't just toss Geneva to the winds? There was no Abu Grabe? No Gitmo? We've heard no stories of rape by our troops?


When comparing the US to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, I’d say that’s a pretty good approximation. My guess is that you don’t really know the history of Abu Ghraib under the Ba’ath regime, do you?


I am not comparing the US and Iraq in a tit for tat fashion. I was merely pointing out that nearly every offense listed could be listed as US offenses. As I was met with a less than enthusiastic "Huzzah!", I proceeded to give some specific examples that happen to be timely and relevant. What occured at Abu Grabe before we arrived and liberated it was inexcusable, but irrelevant to my argument. That fact is that whatever happened before we got there, the things we did are unacceptable to us, forget what the rest of the world thinks.
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As far as proceeding without the UN’s blessing, it seems to me that 17 chapter seven resolutions against Iraq that were blatantly ignored by Hussein should count for something, especially considering that the UNSC had been bought off with Hussein’s money.

Again whatever Saddam and Company did is irrelevant in the face of our own offense here. We are (or at least, were) on the moral high ground, as we should always be, but we chose to ignore the UN and charge up the hill anyway. By the way, where is Saddam's wealth now?
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I can respect reasonable criticism of the US and this war, but trying to make the US out like the Iraqi regime, that’s something else, entirely.

I am not at all sure I had a reasonable criticism here, but please know this, whatever else you may think of me, trying to make the US out like the Iraqi regime was the furthest thing from my mind.


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Really? We didn't just toss Geneva to the winds? There was no Abu Grabe? No Gitmo? We've heard no stories of rape by our troops? We didn't ignore the UN's pleadings to wait? We didn't proceed without the UN's blessing? And where do you suppose all those bodies go when they die? We seem intent on arguing about where their souls end up, but how are so many casualties handled? You need to pull your head out of the desert sand.

P.S. I really not a snarky person at all but RWED just brings out the worst in all of us. I actually think you are a bright and thoughful being. If that helps any...



No, we didn't, as practice, toss Geneva to the winds. There's no denying that abuses did occur at Abu Grahib(sp). And those who did the abusing were tried , charged and sentenced. As for Gitmo, which holds mostly terrorists from Afghanistan, no Geneva convention rules have been violated. Non uniformed combatents, which these terrorists are, are elegible for execution on the spot. To date, I'm only aware of 3 deaths in Gitmo, all suicides.

As for the UN, there was already ample permission, based on the various resolutions past , to use military force. We didn't NEED to wait,but the U.S. tried again anyway to get Iraq to comply, 1 last time, to no avail. I know there are folks who don't agree w/ the decission,and I understand that, but that doesn't change the facts.

There was a war, no question. And lots of bodies had to be buried. But that hardly compares to what went on before, where folks were dragged out of their homes by Saddam's goon squad, fed to dogs, shot, or run through industrial sized wood chippers, feet first, while still alive. Folks didn't just dissapear off the street, never to be heard from again by their families, until the remains were found in some mass grave. I think there is a gross under reporting of what was going on in Iraq before the war as well.

It's clear we see things from different view points. Even if we could agree on the specifics, the facts of all that's involved, I doubt very much that we'd find common ground, other than we wish it would all get resolved and everyone could come home and we'd all live in peace. On that we'd probably agree. How we get to that point, though, is another matter.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:03 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nice try. But my views are based in reason and fact. Unlike other's who post here.

Yes, the reason is you have no facts, and people are bored of dealing with you.



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Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, we didn't, as practice, toss Geneva to the winds.


Actually on this point I was referring to the Military Commissions Act. The President decides what torture is and isn't. Kind of undermines the intent of Geneva doesn't it? I mean, couldn't Saddam have said the same thing? Actually, I think he probably did...

I did NOT mean to imply we are just war criming our way through the war over there. I fully realize the abuses I cited are exceptions. That still doesn't excuse the guilty ones, however.
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There's no denying that abuses did occur at Abu Grahib(sp). And those who did the abusing were tried , charged and sentenced.

(See last sentence of above response.)
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As for Gitmo, which holds mostly terrorists from Afghanistan, no Geneva convention rules have been violated. Non uniformed combatents, which these terrorists are, are elegible for execution on the spot. To date, I'm only aware of 3 deaths in Gitmo, all suicides.

Without due process, can we really be sure who we have there? And if haven't deemed them worthy of the execution you mention (in other words why weren't they executed?), aren't we on some level saying they are yet worthy of life, if only because we aren't sure of their role in Afganistan? And if that is the case, shouldn't we as the self-promoted benefactor to the world treat them with a modicum of dignity?

In one article I read the writer was upset because in giving so much attention to the situation at Guantanamo Bay, we were ignoring the even worse condition of Castro's prisons. Again, just because someone else has done a greater evil, it does not expurgate the offenses of which we are, or may be, guilty.
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As for the UN, there was already ample permission, based on the various resolutions past , to use military force. We didn't NEED to wait,but the U.S. tried again anyway to get Iraq to comply, 1 last time, to no avail. I know there are folks who don't agree w/ the decission,and I understand that, but that doesn't change the facts.

The Ghosts of Resolutions Past do not always reflect the mood or intent of Potential Resolutions of Things to Come. So the question remains why Iraq and not some other country in clear violation? The perceived threat. A subject which no doubt has been beaten deeper into the ground than Saddam's spider-hole, here and elsewhere, and which I am not prepared to debate beyond the mention I just gave it.
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There was a war, no question. And lots of bodies had to be buried. But that hardly compares to what went on before, where folks were dragged out of their homes by Saddam's goon squad, fed to dogs, shot, or run through industrial sized wood chippers, feet first, while still alive. Folks didn't just dissapear off the street, never to be heard from again by their families, until the remains were found in some mass grave. I think there is a gross under reporting of what was going on in Iraq before the war as well.

I acquiesce. I never claimed to be in the league of the likes of you, Finn mac Cumhal, Citizen or even Kaneman when it comes to the current state of global affairs. My general nature is to be a Gadfly, a Devil's Advocate and an attempted Wit. I opposed the idea of America commencing a first-strke campaign, but once in, we needed to finish. That now seems impossible, too, and I am feeling a weariness I believe many share. I was brought up in the generation that got to see the Vietnam War on TV every night as if it were another series. Counting body bags seemed to lose its meaning the higher the number got. We now near the 3,000 mark in US losses and sometimes I think at least some people here aren't even aware we are at war. Just don't want a repeat of the sixties.
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It's clear we see things from different view points. Even if we could agree on the specifics, the facts of all that's involved, I doubt very much that we'd find common ground, other than we wish it would all get resolved and everyone could come home and we'd all live in peace. On that we'd probably agree. How we get to that point, though, is another matter.

I do want to thank you for being incredibly civil in all your responses. And I'm not sure our ground is too different. But either way, it has been thought provoking and a pleasure, in a perverse kind of way, to engage in this discourse with you.

All I really wanted to do was share in the poking fun at the Prez.


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:45 AM

DAYVE


wow, this thing is still bouncing around...?

My attempt at satire seems to bring out too much negativity on this board. I will try to refrain from raising hackles in the future. You can put me in pretty much the same boat as JonQ in as much as my purpose with the cartoon was meant to be humorous and not to be taken too seriously – after all it was Zippy the Pinhead who came out the loser in this one…

But, you all made fairly good arguments representative of each one’s political ideology, so maybe this little waste of time was worth the effort after all.

Sometimes humor and satire doesn’t translate too well here on the internets… I haven’t found my core audience it seems. And as far as poking fun at Bush – just let me say that we aren’t laughing at him so much as we are laughing with (the people who are laughing at) him…..

Besides, I see nothing wrong with the citizenry of a nation being critical of elected officials if those officials deserve to be criticized.

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:52 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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wow, this thing is still bouncing around...?

My attempt at satire seems to bring out too much negativity on this board. I will try to refrain from raising hackles in the future. You can put me in pretty much the same boat as JonQ in as much as my purpose with the cartoon was meant to be humorous and not to be taken too seriously – after all it was Zippy the Pinhead who came out the loser in this one…

But, you all made fairly good arguments representative of each one’s political ideology, so maybe this little waste of time was worth the effort after all.

Sometimes humor and satire doesn’t translate too well here on the internets… I haven’t found my core audience it seems. And as far as poking fun at Bush – just let me say that we aren’t laughing at him so much as we are laughing with (the people who are laughing at) him…..

Besides, I see nothing wrong with the citizenry of a nation being critical of elected officials if those officials deserve to be criticized.


Fkin' traitor...


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:26 AM

DAYVE


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Fkin' traitor...


???? not the response i expected... but if that's the way you see it...
I thought we were on the same page here... but if you are mad because i didn't engage in a prolonged arguement with AU or Finn... sorry - i don't really like doing that - it's just going back and forth and no one ever really changes their mind about the sujbect -

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:17 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by Dayve:
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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

Fkin' traitor...



???? not the response i expected... but if that's the way you see it...
I thought we were on the same page here... but if you are mad because i didn't engage in a prolonged arguement with AU or Finn... sorry - i don't really like doing that - it's just going back and forth and no one ever really changes their mind about the sujbect -



Jeez, now who's lost their sense of humor? C'mon Dayve, we ARE on the same page.


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:47 AM

DAYVE


whew... you had me going there

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:50 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Dayve, Dayve, Dayve, Dayve, Dayve...


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Nice try. But my views are based in reason and fact. Unlike other's who post here.

Yes, the reason is you have no facts, and people are bored of dealing with you.




I know I bore folks like you w/ the facts, but you simply can't dismiss 17 UN Resolutions because you don't agree. You can choose your own opinions, but not your own facts.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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And if that is the case, shouldn't we as the self-promoted benefactor to the world treat them with a modicum of dignity?



Modicum of dignity? What are you talking about ? They are being treated far better than they deserve. They've been given all the dignity and respect in regards to their religious needs, in food, korans, prayer rugs, silence during prayer time, medical needs, .... it's a gorram beach party for those guys. ( Ok, a tad exaggerated, but the claims of mistreatment of those in Gitmo have been grossly overstated.

We don't control Castro's prisons. That's Cuba's deal, not ours.

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So the question remains why Iraq and not some other country in clear violation?
It's in the resolutions. If that's not good enough for you, then nothing will be. What more can I say?

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I do want to thank you for being incredibly civil in all your responses. And I'm not sure our ground is too different. But either way, it has been thought provoking and a pleasure, in a perverse kind of way, to engage in this discourse with you.

All I really wanted to do was share in the poking fun at the Prez.



Civility and thanks are met and returned. It's refreshing to have a honest, sincere discourse on here, once in a while. There isn't a President or public figure who isn't beyond reproach, make no mistake. I think it's our nature to poke fun at those in the public eye. I admit I am a tad defensive on the issue, since that's all we ever get out of the current President's detractors. Which is kinda sad, since sometimes the gags really are damn funny.


People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, December 1, 2006 12:03 AM

CITIZEN


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You can choose your own opinions, but not your own facts.

You're right, so why do you?

And facts? You rarely if ever bring facts. You for some reason confuse saying "You're a brainless idiot and I love Bush" with facts. Problem is not everyone is a retard.
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Civility and thanks are met and returned. It's refreshing to have a honest, sincere discourse on here, once in a while.
First one you've been involved in in your life, well done, though I suspect it has more to do with JQ taking your shit with good humour than anything else. Well done JQ, you must have the patience of a saint.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, December 1, 2006 2:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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First one you've been involved in in your life, well done, though I suspect it has more to do with JQ taking your shit with good humour than anything else. Well done JQ, you must have the patience of a saint.


No, citizen. It's called CIVILITY. Try it sometime, you'll be surprised with the results.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, December 1, 2006 2:48 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by citizen:
Problem is not everyone is a retard.


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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
I do want to thank you for being incredibly civil in all your responses. And I'm not sure our ground is too different. But either way, it has been thought provoking and a pleasure, in a perverse kind of way, to engage in this discourse with you.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Civility and thanks are met and returned. It's refreshing to have a honest, sincere discourse on here, once in a while.


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Originally posted by citizen:
First one you've been involved in in your life, well done, though I suspect it has more to do with JQ taking your shit with good humour than anything else. Well done JQ, you must have the patience of a saint.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, citizen. It's called CIVILITY. Try it sometime, you'll be surprised with the results.


Snipe, snipe, snipe. You can't even talk civilly about civility. This is why so many of us don't like coming here. And I can't believe I keep coming back! What's wrong with me...?
Oh, thanks for the compliments by the way. I think.



"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, December 1, 2006 3:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Oh, thanks for the compliments by the way. I think.



Compliments were sincere, fyi. And you're welcome.



People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, December 1, 2006 4:35 AM

CITIZEN


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No, citizen. It's called CIVILITY. Try it sometime, you'll be surprised with the results.

I have on many occasions, you have no right to lecture anyone on civility. Theres dictators more civil than you.

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Friday, December 1, 2006 4:37 AM

CITIZEN


JQ, a life time of crap is not removed in one day.

AU spends one discussion where the first words out of it's mouth aren't "You're a stupid idiot with your assumptions" and generally no fact based discourse whatsoever doesn't change what he has done everytime before and will do everytime in future.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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