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Global Warming proven a hoax!

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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:06 AM

CHRISISALL


This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."

http/www.notarealsite.com


Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall


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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."

http/www.notarealsite.com


Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall




STOP THE PRESSES!

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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM

SIGMANUNKI


LOL, that's great!

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Monday, January 15, 2007 9:40 AM

SHINYED


As Dennis Miller has said numerous times ....hey, I like it a little warmer anyhow.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 9:43 AM

ANTIMASON


if global warming were real, it would be better to ignore it.. since the western elite are chomping at the bit for the next great 'threat' that will provide the pretext for a UN global government. i do agree that something is occuring.. but what we know as 'global warming' is just a politicaly engineered fear tactic... deliberately concieved and designed to eventually tax your every move, condition you for economic instablility, limit your personal freedoms, and to implement a global government

of all the threats propogated by the media, bird flu, peak oil, terrorism... global warming gives the best 'excuse' to concentrate production, to selectively distribute and ration resources, and to regulate the world populace through draconian, authoritarian measures.. all which would be allegedly neccessary to 'save mankind' from ourselves

in the end, its better to ignore all the hype, since theres not a whole lot you can do personally to change the weather anyways; while giving an established body the responsibilty to legislate and affect planetary changes (suprise!) will only result in total abject tyranny and oppression








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Monday, January 15, 2007 10:08 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
giving an established body the responsibilty to legislate and affect planetary changes (suprise!) will only result in total abject tyranny and oppression

Abject tyranny and oppression isn't so bad as long as it doesn't affect me personally.

Me, myself and I Chrisisall

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Monday, January 15, 2007 10:38 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."

http/www.notarealsite.com


Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall


You're just a stupid Liberal with you're evidence, Bush told us what to think long ago, you don't need evidence to believe.



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Monday, January 15, 2007 10:45 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by citizen:


You're just a stupid Liberal with you're evidence, Bush told us what to think long ago, you don't need evidence to believe.


Spoken like a true follower of TheRightStuff.

Ponce. Chrisisall

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Monday, January 15, 2007 10:46 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Spoken like a true follower of TheRightStuff.

Ponce. Chrisisall

Terrorist!





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Monday, January 15, 2007 10:57 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by citizen:

Terrorist!


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Monday, January 15, 2007 11:03 AM

SIGMANUNKI


@antimason:

You're completely off your nut.

It is happening, and your delusion doesn't make that not a fact. One delusional "scientist" out of pretty much the whole community doesn't change that fact. Perhaps it's not as dangerous, perhaps it's more dangerous, but it IS happening.

Also, point of fact, it is only ridiculously politicized in the North America (mainly the US though). Go and look what's happening in Europe. They are taking this seriously, and have instituted laws to get the job done. Sure the companies complained, but they adjusted and all is well and good over there.

As for what one person can do, sure it's limited. BUT, if everyone did something, then the effect would be profound. Keeping this "but what can I do" BS keeps populations apathetic and unwilling to promote positive change. This is true with regards to the global warming issue and can be applied to most other areas as well e.g. voting.

Just imagine if the people made this an election topic. As in, not just asking the question and allow the side step from the politicians, but FORCE the issue. Just imagine if people made purchasing decisions based at least in part on if the products effect the environment negatively.

Companies make decisions based on the bottom line, in the short term. If they realized that continuing on there current path hurt there profits, they'll change there ways. Similarly, if the politicians realized that not taking a hard stance on global warming put there chances of winning elections in jeopardy, they'd change there minds pretty quick. What if politicians realized that not keeping these promises resulted in not getting re-elected?

Please note that this can mostly be achieved by democratic means.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 11:45 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Just imagine if people made purchasing decisions based at least in part on if the products effect the environment negatively.

Effecting the environment negatively isn't so bad as long as it doesn't affect me personally.

More on me later Chrisisall

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Monday, January 15, 2007 1:26 PM

AURAPTOR

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... but it IS happening.



Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.

I refuse to join the lemmings.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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Monday, January 15, 2007 1:43 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You're completely off your nut.


Speaking of which:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.

I refuse to join the lemmings.


Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"



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Monday, January 15, 2007 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

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Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"


Your petty insults, false pride and inferiority complex aside, I refuse to join the lemmings. Sorry, but your indignation of me not 'falling in line' isn't compelling enough evidence for me to buy into the hysteria.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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Monday, January 15, 2007 2:46 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your petty insults, false pride and inferiority complex aside, I refuse to join the lemmings.

My petty insults huh. The only person whose made any personal insults so far would be you, before trying to take the moral high ground it is customary to ensure you are not deeper in the shit than everyone else.
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Sorry, but your indignation of me not 'falling in line' isn't compelling enough evidence for me to buy into the hysteria.
Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any? Is this double standards or hypocrisy, I'm not sure?

I have no desire to change your mind, you'd have to have one first but joking aside there is only one person who could change 'your' opinion, and he lives in a house that is somewhat white.



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Monday, January 15, 2007 2:52 PM

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Nah, nah, you've got it all wrong!

It's those pesky aliens using a cosmic ray projector to fry us one degree at a time so they can have our planet !

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Monday, January 15, 2007 2:56 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nah, nah, you've got it all wrong!

It's those pesky aliens using a cosmic ray projector to fry us one degree at a time so they can have our planet !

Over to our on-site correspondent, Pirate News, for an update on the situation... PN ?

PN are you there ?

PN !!!

OH NO, THEY'VE EATEN THE CORRESPONDENT, THEY'RE GONNA KILL US ALL, RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIIVEEESS!

(Oh this is tooo much fun..)

Those aren't Aliens you CLOD.

It's pockets of swap gas reflecting the light of Venus through Uranus.

What's that eating my leg? Why it's a, ten foot gerbil.

Bush said so.



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Monday, January 15, 2007 4:22 PM

ANTIMASON


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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

You're completely off your nut.

It is happening, and your delusion doesn't make that not a fact. One delusional "scientist" out of pretty much the whole community doesn't change that fact.



what should we do about it though? im in favor of more environementally sound technologies.. but i will outright resist any attempts to restructure society, because the institutions that exist currently will only use this to establish more methods to restrict personal freedoms. if global warming is a legitimate phenomonan, its still a trade off.. but i would rather take my chances with the weather, then have some all powerful, central authority regulate my behavior, and try something tyrannous like taxing me by every mile i drive and what not


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Perhaps it's not as dangerous, perhaps it's more dangerous, but it IS happening.


its just like terrorism.. you can shit your pants over it and fight preemptive wars acrossed the globe, meanwhile robbing the rights of the populace to be infinately aware of all risks to the 'state'(and still be unable to stop it).. or you can accept the reality, that your more likely to get struck by lighting than die from a terrorist attack, and go on about your life; in the end, in this age, with our current mindset and political leadership.. the authoritarian body that would crop up to solve 'global warming' would only use it as capital to further the ADMITTED NWO agenda

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Also, point of fact, it is only ridiculously politicized in the North America (mainly the US though). Go and look what's happening in Europe. They are taking this seriously, and have instituted laws to get the job done. Sure the companies complained, but they adjusted and all is well and good over there.


thats fine, i am not by any means making an appeal to give corporations a free pass on emissions regulations or anything.. but i am not about to give trillions of dollars over to a government to legislate social changes, i think thats scary as hell

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As for what one person can do, sure it's limited. BUT, if everyone did something, then the effect would be profound. Keeping this "but what can I do" BS keeps populations apathetic and unwilling to promote positive change. This is true with regards to the global warming issue and can be applied to most other areas as well e.g. voting.


look i acknowledge your point, its certainly not alien to me, i want positive changes to be made also, and i do what i can personally.. which is why it needs to be genuine changes from within the individual, not politically motivated and harnessed for what is a secret alterior motive. if the governments wanted energy independance, or anything that would benefit the individual, they would do so; but they dont, government now exists for the sake of itself and its puppetmasters, and any effort to reverse an alleged planetary warming would only result in further tyranny and control over our lives

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Monday, January 15, 2007 5:06 PM

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"Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any?"

Well, as far as I know, you can't prove that something doesn't exist. You can only prove that something does exist. That puts "Global Warming Because of Us" advocates into the position of presenting evidence, while "Global Warming Not Because of Us" advocates analyze the data and find flaws or alternative conclusions.

But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion. Someone up there *points to top of thread* wanted to make Global Warming an election issue, and I have to strongly disagree.

GLOBAL WARMING IS UNIMPORTANT

I don't give one fig about Global Warming. The Earth gets hot sometimes and it gets cold sometimes, and whether we push it in one direction or the other, it's still going to get hot sometimes and cold sometimes. Weather Control is not something that I think humans are ready for.

But let me tell you what we ARE ready for.

We are ready for unlimited fuel. Like say Hydrogen.

We are ready for non-toxic fuel. Like say Hydrogen.

We are ready to use fewer toxic chemicals in everything we do. Not because of Global Warming, but rather because of things like bloody Cancer.

We are ready to manufacture bullets out of lead-alternatives so that recreational shooters don't poison themselves slowly.

We are ready to make a lot of changes to the way we live that has nothing to do with the spectre of Global Warming.

We need to change our tune, not because of the boogeyman of Global Warming, but rather because of the verified evils of poison, carcinogens, and expensive and limited fuel supplies.

*Points to his wallet, then to the calendar.*

Give me more money in my wallet, give me more time on this Earth. Those are real issues. Humans adapt easily to temperature. They don't adapt as well to being broke or dead.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 5:25 PM

CAUSAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all...



Actually, if I remember by Astronomy class, space is not "no-thing." If I remember our discussion of the expansion of the universe, the prof said that the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching, so it takes longer to get from point to point. This, of course, has nothing to do with global warming, but it bakes my noodle every time I think about it, so I thought I'd share the love.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 5:39 PM

BROWNCOATUNIVERSITY


University of Kingston Falls (well need I say more) When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement. You know how many professors are at universities from great to small it's not difficult to imagine a handful of them saying black is not white. As a biology major in college you talk to any individual who knows anything about science and it is a proven FACT without a shadow of a doubt that global warming is occuring. To say it is not shows how clearly people are not listening to the vast majority of scientists (greater then 98% last time I checked) and are listening to a few radicals from no name universities.

Sorry but as someone who has personally studied the effects and causes and signs of global warming it is very difficult for individuals to say such cognitive lacking statements.

Yes it is happening, yes it is a big deal, and yes we can do things to reduce the threat. As someone previously stated look at Europe they are treating it as a real threat and so should all of we.

Oh and one last thing yes it is caused by man and are ever increasing population producing more and more CO2. This is strongly proven by looking at ice cores from Antartaca and looking at CO2 levels for the last million years or so. Since the invention of cars and recent overuse of coal those levels have went up beyond any levels ever measured let alone imagined. It's time that all of us quit sticking our heads in the sand and saying nothing is wrong because scientists can't prove it because that is clearly not tru.e

Such statements as provided by the original writer of this post are never scientifically reviewed and posted in any scientific journals. Do your research and read and follow articles that are actually peer reviewed and scientifically proven. Statements are cheap but peer reviewed material is hard to have published if not accurate. The overall ignorance of a view is not representitve of the field of science. Study it you'll know what I mean I've studied it and nothing else for 4 1/2 years.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 5:59 PM

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Browncoatuniversity,

Saying, "I've studied this and lots of people have studied this and it's irrefutable (by any intelligent and/or reputable individual) that mankind is the primary causal factor in global warming..."

Is EXACTLY identical to saying:

"I think mankind is the primary causal factor of global warming, and a lot of other people think it, too. The people who don't think so are all uninformed shitheads."

Which really isn't going to sway anyone.

I stand by my position. Reduce toxins, increase unlimited and nontoxic fuels.

Not for the environment. For meeee!

--Anthony

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Edited for spelling

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Monday, January 15, 2007 7:50 PM

SIGMANUNKI


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

... but it IS happening.



Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.

I refuse to join the lemmings.




I find it interesting that you don't quote the first part of that sentence.

Don't buy into the alarmist mentality fine, neither do I. But, just because one doesn't buy into that, doesn't mean that this stuff isn't going on.

Why do you insist (implicitly) that only the extremes exist in this discussion? Or in other words, why is there no middle ground between "ack, the sky is falling" and "the ostridge syndrome"?

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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:05 PM

SIGMANUNKI


@antimason:

Personal freedoms?!?! Restructuring society?!?! Trillions of dollars for it?!?! Control over our lives?!?! It's nothing like terrorism. How do you even make that connection? What's wrong with you? What the hell are you talking about?

The gov (well the US gov) doesn't do anything about global warming b/c the oil industry "donates" so much money.

Look at California. They put forth a law that stated that the car industry had to R&D cars that used alternative fuel sources. One developed an electric car that was more than well received. But the companies fought it, won, took back the cars and demolished them. Why? Because the cars industry is quite intimate with the oil industry; they are the same.

In all seriousness, you really have to let go of this paranoia that the gov is out to get you. I mean, I'm a fairly paranoid person (I'm into secure programming), but seriously, you're scary to me. THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:18 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Saying, "I've studied this and lots of people have studied this and it's irrefutable (by any intelligent and/or reputable individual) that mankind is the primary causal factor in global warming..."

Is EXACTLY identical to saying:

"I think mankind is the primary causal factor of global warming, and a lot of other people think it, too. The people who don't think so are all uninformed shitheads."




No it isn't. What it IS saying is that uninformed people should listen to people that have a clue instead of forming opinions based on nothing. Intelligent/reputable people will do this, others... not so much.

It's not really a surprise though. People in the US are much more inclined to listen to Bill O'Reilly pounding his fist, cutting off his "guests" mics, etc than listening to a scientist explain why things are the way they are with stats, error bars, etc.

Winning the popular opinion today has everything to do with entertainment value and pretty much nothing to do with mountains of hard evidence that things are happening.

The problem with this is that while the oil companies are winning, the world's population (and more than just arguably the world itself) is losing. And people don't notice because they are basically told not to. Kinda a double-think of sorts.

Please also note that even in "An Inconvenient Truth" the phrase "as little as 10 years" appears.



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Monday, January 15, 2007 8:31 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

That puts "Global Warming Because of Us" advocates into the position of presenting evidence, while "Global Warming Not Because of Us" advocates analyze the data and find flaws or alternative conclusions.




There's a group in charge of compiling the current research/evidence/etc that show that global warming is real. They are call the International Panel on Climate Change:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Please refer to there documents and let us know exactly what the problems with there work is. After all you say:


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion.




So, let us know why it is idiotic. Sure it's been hyped up in North American (especially the US), but that doesn't mean it's bad science nor does it mean it isn't a serious issue nor does it mean that it shouldn't be considered.


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Give me more money in my wallet, give me more time on this Earth. Those are real issues. Humans adapt easily to temperature. They don't adapt as well to being broke or dead.




How self centered and short sighted of you.

Seems to me what the scientists are predicting IS death by more severe natural disasters. And since what they have predicted IS coming to pass...

Let us know how those life threatening hurricanes suit you then. Or perhaps you could ask someone in New Orleans. Or perhaps the people affected by droughts in Africa.

Because it seems to me that we aren't dealing too well with these changes in temperature. Mother natural isn't exactly letting us.

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Monday, January 15, 2007 9:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."

http/www.notarealsite.com


Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall




Ya ok where did u get this info from??

MGTS

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I still don't know if milk is good for me or bad for me. Scientists are nothing but a bunch of dumb humans that went to their elite schools. They make mistakes all day and go home at night and fist their trophy wives.

I don't buy any of this global warming bullshit, although that is not to say that I don't belive that it's possible.

The only certainty that I have is that what Antimason is saying is more or less true, and in a world where all this scary shit is going on, how can anybody even call someone paranoid? Just because somebody doesn't believe all the scary shit the media and scientists and government tell us to believe everyday like you chose to believe doesn't make them paranoid. They just choose to believe in a different, albeit argueably much scarier set of bullshit.

I'm all about finding solutions to problems, but if you have faith in any of our governments at this point, I believe that you are a very foolish person.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:04 AM

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My petty insults huh. The only person whose made any personal insults so far would be you, before trying to take the moral high ground it is customary to ensure ...blah, blah blah.


As is most often the case, you initiated the insults here. I was simply responding to someone else's post, and you felt the need to imply I was 'mad' to not buy into the global warming lie. Contrary to your 'you started it' rant, the facts say otherwise.

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Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any? Is this double standards or hypocrisy, I'm not sure?

You're not sure because it's above you to even contemplate. Other than you see it as just another reason to be a jack-ass and insert yourself by insulting someone in this thread who hadn't said 1 derogatory word toward you in the least.

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I have no desire to change your mind, you'd have to have one first but joking aside there is only one person who could change 'your' opinion, and he lives in a house that is somewhat white.

If you're trying to imply that my stance on global warming relies solely on what any elected official has to say, you'd be greatly mistaken. Or was that also a joke? It's so hard to figure out British humor.


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Why do you insist (implicitly) that only the extremes exist in this discussion? Or in other words, why is there no middle ground between "ack, the sky is falling" and "the ostridge syndrome"?


Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....

My position is simple. We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs. Sure, it makes sense for ALL of us to use fuel efficently , keep pollutants down, etc. Thats why I think such political measures as the Kyoto Treaty are unmitigated disasters. It turns a blind eye to 3rd world nations while pretending to for the good of all. It's utter nonsense.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:18 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by BrownCoatUniversity:
University of Kingston Falls (well need I say more) When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement.

Since Kingston Falls is a town in the movie Gremlins, and a quick google brings up no such university, I would surmise that the original poster of this thread is either full of s**t, or pulling our legs.
Plus that line about space and it's temperature being raised, I mean REALLY.....


Some posters ought to be banned Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching

What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.

Back off man; I'm a scientist Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MGTS:

Ya ok where did u get this info from??


Uranus.

Couldn't resist Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.



I have no idea--but was that right? Is space actually stretching?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:14 AM

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:38 AM

CHRISISALL


"Scientists have always been pawns of the military."

SonofKirkisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There's a group in charge of compiling the current research/evidence/etc that show that global warming is real. They are call the International Panel on Climate Change:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Please refer to there documents and let us know exactly what the problems with there work is. After all you say:

Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion.




So, let us know why it is idiotic. Sure it's been hyped up in North American (especially the US), but that doesn't mean it's bad science nor does it mean it isn't a serious issue nor does it mean that it shouldn't be considered.

How self centered and short sighted of you.

Seems to me what the scientists are predicting IS death by more severe natural disasters. And since what they have predicted IS coming to pass...

Let us know how those life threatening hurricanes suit you then. Or perhaps you could ask someone in New Orleans. Or perhaps the people affected by droughts in Africa.

Because it seems to me that we aren't dealing too well with these changes in temperature. Mother natural isn't exactly letting us.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"





Sig,

Snipped parts of the quote for brevity.

You're missing the point in favor of your political/moral position.

S1) Global Warming is happening, XYZ experts say it is happening.

A1) So what? It's happening. The sun is coming up tomorrow too. And it might rain on Thursday. Sounds like I'll be wearing sunglasses and carrying an umbrella. Hurricanes might threaten the coast? Sounds like I'll avoid flood zones and get good insurance. Can't afford to do that? Sounds like I've been selected to die.

S2) Why is the furvor over Global Warming idiotic? You're idiotic, you numbskull!

A2) Well, if it's happening... it'll happen. I've seen no firm evidence that it's happening because of humanity. Oh, and if it's happening in "As little as ten years" then you're buggered. So prepare for climate change!

S3) All you care about is saving money and eliminating toxins, you selvish bastard! What about the world? What about the future? You short-sighted asshole!

A3) You want to reduce C02 and greenhouse gas emissions because it'll save the environment from 'Global Warming.' That's a questionable position, but okay. I want to switch to an unlimited fuel supply whose major byproduct is water. My plan is in complete synch with your plan, but because you're stuck on doing things BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING you will fail. You must do things because it benefits individuals, not society. Having unlimited fuel means cheaper (and stably priced) gas. Having fewer toxins means less illness and cancer. Who the fcuck cares if it means global warming might get reduced? You don't sell people on saving the world. You sell them on saving themselves. And you global warming nuts are too shortsighted and selfish to accept a good thing done for the 'wrong reasons.' It must be done for YOUR reasons.

Idiots.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:51 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
As is most often the case, blah blah blah

actually I meant you position was mad, I didn't say AURaptor is mad, and even if I did it's hardly in the same league as what you said to me, and your continued personal insults in this post. Although since you think they are equivelent and indeed think you're never the one to start anything maybe you are indeed mad, dellusional in fact.
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You're not sure because it's above you to even contemplate.
No I've contemplated your extreme lack of evidence. I believe that the word is hypocrisy when someone demands something they are unable or unwilling to supply themselves.

I never said I wasn't sure about anything, I said I saw no reason, and I still don't see any reason to beat you round the head with your own ignorance by showing you data from accredited independent scientists so that you can just be a nasty insulting low brow vindictive little prig in a great big long post questioning my sexuality, character, how many friends I have and other inane childish insults in a purely trollish post whose only refutation of the actual argument will amount to "George Bush says".
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Other than you see it as just another reason to be a jack-ass and insert yourself by insulting someone in this thread who hadn't said 1 derogatory word toward you in the least.
Yet more personal insults. So I'm acting like a 'jack-ass' by making personal insults and nothing else, which would surely be a case of pots and black kettles, given your post. But then I realise you work on a basis of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else'.
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If you're trying to imply that my stance on global warming relies solely on what any elected official has to say, you'd be greatly mistaken.
Imply, I pretty much flat out stated it, was it too subtle for you? I find it funny and interesting that every position you hold mirrors Bush's words, after all it's wholly not based on scientific opinion because we know where the consensus among the majority and independent majority of science lies.

It is even more interesting to me that you attack creationists for ignoring the scientific consensus then do the same yourself, that is when the consensus says something that doesn't reflect the Bush administrations position and your own preconceived notions.
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Or was that also a joke? It's so hard to figure out British humor.
Anything beyond fart jokes and slapstick eh, no problem I'll see what I can do to drop to that level for you on occasion.
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Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....
No, to call that position middle ground is delusional or dishonest at best. All it is, is rehashing the same position of no Global Warming with out the untenable requirement of having to deny that 40 isn't higher than 30. It's not all that different too creationists rehashing their myth as intelligent design.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:15 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Actually, if I remember by Astronomy class, space is not "no-thing." If I remember our discussion of the expansion of the universe, the prof said that the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching, so it takes longer to get from point to point. This, of course, has nothing to do with global warming, but it bakes my noodle every time I think about it, so I thought I'd share the love.

Space is considered a vacuum, that is it is filled with little or no matter. In the case of interplanetary space around the Earth it is about 5 particles per cm/3, which is very dense compared to the interstellar void. Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur. This is the cosmic background temperature, although in one instance it has dropped to as low as 1K due to rapid expansion of matter after a supernova.

Space is not actually 'stretching' it is expanding, which isn't exactly the same thing, but essentially the distance between matter within the Universe is growing.



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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:01 AM

MGTS


uranus hahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahahahah
omg yuo are SOOOOOOOO funny holy lololol NOT
ok smart arse just answer my very simple question
like a civilized person.

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:54 AM

SIMONWHO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I refuse to join the lemmings.



Quote:


Claim: During the filming of the 1958 Disney nature documentary White Wilderness, the film crew induced lemmings into jumping off a cliff and into the sea in order to document their supposedly suicidal behavior.

Status: True.

Origins: Lemming
suicide is fiction. Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers. These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges. In fact, when the competition for food, space, or mates becomes too intense, lemmings are much more likely to kill each other than to kill themselves.

I'm not gonna jump off. YOU jump off! Disney's White Wilderness was filmed in Alberta, Canada, which is not a native habitat for lemmings and has no outlet to the sea. Lemmings were imported for use in the film, purchased from Inuit children by the filmmakers. The Arctic rodents were placed on a snow-covered turntable and filmed from various angles to produce a "migration" sequence; afterwards, the helpless creatures were transported to a cliff overlooking a river and herded into the water. White Wilderness does not depict an actual lemming migration — at no time are more than a few dozen lemmings ever shown on the screen at once. The entire sequence was faked using a handful of lemmings deceptively photographed to create the illusion of a large herd of migrating creatures.

Nine different photographers spent three years shooting and assembling footage for the various segments that comprise White Wilderness. It is not known whether Disney approved or knew about the activities of James R. Simon, the principal photographer for the lemmings sequence.

Nature documentaries are notoriously difficult to film, as wild animals are not terribly cooperative. Many nature shows and films of this era — including Disney's "True-Life Adventure" movies and TV's Wild Kingdom — staged events to capture exciting footage for their audiences. The sight of a few lemmings mistaking a lake or ocean for a stream and drowning after swimming out too far, or being pushed over a cliff during the frenzied rush of migration, has become the basis of a widespread belief that lemmings commit suicide en masse when their numbers grow too large.



Some of us prefer not to get our science from fabricated Disney documentaries.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:08 AM

KANEMAN


Browncoatuniv,
"When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement."



"So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science?"

"Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis." - Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.

Well, it's not Harvard......

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MGTS:

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

My God That's Stupid?

What do I win? Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur.

So how did space's temperature suddenly rise 6 1/2 degrees?

Don't understand Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:23 PM

MGTS


the MGTS thing at the end is my signature smart one
anyway will u answer my question or not??
space is not heating. i cant. this tidbit of yours, crisisall, is just a smokescreen to get us to stop thinking that humans are the problem. for the sake of every who has posted ont this thread plz watch An Incovenant Truth, a documentary but out by Al gore.


MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Imply, I pretty much flat out stated it, was it too subtle for you? I find it funny and interesting that every position you hold mirrors Bush's words, after all it's wholly not based on scientific opinion because we know where the consensus among the majority and independent majority of science lies.
As I stated, you are GREATLY mistaken. Science is not a solely poll driven field. When Robert Bakker went against the grain by concluding that dinosaurs were warm blooded, and not, as the MAJORITY of scientist were drilled into thinking, cold blooded. Bakker and John Ostrum were part of a VAST minority,but that didn't change the facts. And the fact is, dinosaur physiology shares far more in common with warm blooded birds and mammals more than they do lizards and amphibians.

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It is even more interesting to me that you attack creationists for ignoring the scientific consensus then do the same yourself, that is when the consensus says something that doesn't reflect the Bush administrations position and your own preconceived notions.
Once again, you're wrong. This has nothing ot do w/ Bush, but you do seem to have such a hard on for the Prez, it's no wonder. I vilify Creationist for ignoring the consensus, but more importantly, for ignoring the EVIDENCE! The Creationist and the Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence and arrange an arguement based on a PREVIOUSLY HELD TENNENT. Just as the Creationist say the Bible is literally accurate, the tree hugging Kyoto zealots are hell bent on proving mankind ( mainly Western, Industrialized mankind ) is responsible for destroying the Earth. So, each starts with a template to hold to, then formulates the evidence which best makes their case, as they see it.

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No, to call that position middle ground is delusional or dishonest at best. All it is, is rehashing the same position of no Global Warming with out the untenable requirement of having to deny that 40 isn't higher than 30. It's not all that different too creationists rehashing their myth as intelligent design.


It is the middle ground, but you're so small that you can't face up to that minor detail. I've never made the claim that 40 isn't higher than 30, that's your delusional position.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:47 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

my god they(this) suck(s) ?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:49 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MGTS:

anyway will u answer my question or not??



I thought the question was what does MGTS stand for?!?!?!

If you mean the original post....I got it from...
Somewhere in the back of my mind, actually. A little idea I've been toying with.

Sick, twisted Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

my god they(this) suck(s) ?



It's dyslexic for MST3K?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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