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I HATE AMERICA!

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Friday, January 26, 2007 8:54 AM

Yeah, that's right, I said it.

I hate the America that the Bush Administration envisions.
An America that has no problem torturing whom it pleases.
An America that fights wars for economic control and world domination in the guise of national defense.
An America that brands disent as un-patriotic.
An America that allows the President to piss on that "Goddamn piece of paper"- our Constitution.

Luckily, we're not all the way there yet, and by the grace of the more moderate-minded in our government, we never will be.

I love my country and my planet. And America will be all the greater for it's momentary dabbling in the Dark Side that these perverted NeoCons hope to dominate our destiny with.

You've failed, your Highness.

So there, fascists Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:04 AM

TERRORIST!!!!!!!

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:08 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
TERRORIST!!!!!!!

Where??
I'll waste him!

Don't hold with those folk Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:19 AM

I love America.
I hate the Bush Administration.

Ok, so its not July. A redhead in the snow can dream, can't she?

chrisisall!

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:34 AM

That's a nice...um...flag.

Patriotic Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:42 AM

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's a nice...um...flag.

I see the mountains' majesty, but they aren't purple.

I'm with ya Chris. I'm old enough to have had to put up with the rightwinger's slogan of "America Love It Or Leave It" back in the 60s. Well it's my country too, gorramit, and I love her, but I'll be damned if I'll let the fascists bring us down.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:44 AM

Thanks Chris for saying what I’ve felt for a while now.
The course of our nation under this neo-con administration is one that stands to have negative consequences for generations to come. We need to stop bombing nations into submission just because we don’t agree with their policies or religion, and learn to co-exist with all people. Some folks laugh when I say that this is a fragile planet that we live on. They will just go polluting and wasting valuable resources like there is no tomorrow. Hopefully, we have time to change directions. New leadership with a positive understanding of what must be done to preserve this country can’t come too soon IMHO.

America is a great and terrifying place. We have the potential to do good works but also the capability to destroy the planet.

I hope we all live to see the end of this current nightmare.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:31 AM

So Chrisisall hates America.

Funny because America hates Chrisisall.

http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/news/unique/am_text.html

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:36 AM

Somehow I'm not surprised that you feel that way considering the anti-American, vile bias that is thrust down your throats every day by your BBC & tabloid rags.

I happen to totally dis-agree with you and the others here who feel as you do....it's really quite a shame too.

Still....10's of thousands of people from all over the world risk everything, sometimes give up everything to come to live in America...why do ya think that is?

And...by the way...the next time some new Hitler-wannabee rises up and threatens to destroy Europe...like Iran's Assholijhad, or some other muslim maniac...don't YOU dare expect any American to give a fuck.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Somehow I'm not surprised that you feel that way considering the anti-American, vile bias that is thrust down your throats every day by your BBC & tabloid rags.

Two things:
First of all, I'm a citizen of the good old USA, and second, (and pardon my bluntness) either you didn't actually READ my whole first post and you're just going by the thread title, or you're simply a d***head.

Which is it Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Skywalken:
So Chrisisall hates America.

You too, huh? Reading IS a chore for some folk. No, I don't hate America...but I got something recently, and want to spread the sunshine.
Here:

Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:46 AM

Well, see.. I love America - I just don't think the country we live in qualifies as "America" anymore.

North America, maybe, but the "America" of visionary dreams, innovation and freedoms ?

Not hardly.

Not sure which I hate more, what we have become, or the notion of what we COULD be, and aren't.

-Frem

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Not sure which I hate more, what we have become, or the notion of what we COULD be, and aren't.

Frem, I don't think America was EVER the faultless vision we all put up on that pedestal when we were younger. Just think how our politicians ignored stories of atrcities at the beginning of WWII...shouldn't we have jumped in sooner?

It's like in Buffy, Angel and Firefly; the threats from without AND within will always be there, ready to win if we let them. And being imperfect ourselves, we sometimes get led down the wrong path.
But we gotta keep fighting the good fight when we can.

I wanna slay the dragon Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:02 AM

Bush caused this double post!

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:06 AM

Chris........I apologize for assuming you were a Brit ( some words spelled as they do such as defence, etc )...OK so just substitute Major Network News for the BBC, and NY & LA Times for tabloid rags.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:

I hope we all live to see the end of this current nightmare.

Have faith, my friend. The good peeps in this world have always outnumbered those choosing the ways that harm others...it's just that THEY have a bigger stick.

We must be the termites Chrisisall
(That sounded off even to me, the King of Strange Analogies

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Not sure which I hate more, what we have become, or the notion of what we COULD be, and aren't.

That was nicely said.

In a similar vein, as a non-American I'd say the biggest reason for people outside of America to hate it is because of what America claims to be, but isn't. And this perceived hypocrisy and arrogance is something that goes beyond any administration (although it's influenced by it, strongly so in the case of Bush), it's the absolute belief by many Americans that these claims are true even if refuted by reality, and this is the attitude that the media broadcasts to the outside world.

Even when there is a discussion of all the things that are wrong, there's still this attitude of "As crap as we may be, we're still better than any other country by default. God loves America." that isn't very appealling to non-Americans.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Chris........I apologize for assuming you were a Brit

Hey, no biggie there (I do a mean UK accent, though), just that I don't actually hate America is the point. We're always gonna be on the brink of some madness or other, but being aware of what's happening is key. To deny an infection is to get sicker in many cases.

Again with the analogy Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:

Even when there is a discussion of all the things that are wrong, there's still this attitude of "As crap as we may be, we're still better than any other country by default. God loves America." that isn't very appealling to the outside world.

Well, we are not better than Holland or England or Australia or Canada or New Zealand or Ireland or Spain or Italy or France....wait...maybe better than France...

Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
....wait...maybe better than France...

That's something that Americans and most of the rest of the world can agree on.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Skywalken:
So Chrisisall hates America.

Funny because America hates Chrisisall.

http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/news/unique/am_text.html

Hi, I'm Kaneman and I approve this message....What a tool Chrisisall is. And that does not depend on what the definition of is..is

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:47 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Friday, January 26, 2007 08:54
Yeah, that's right, I said it.

I hate the America that the Bush Administration envisions.

I have no idea what that's suppose to mean. I don't think Bush HAS a vision for America, other than to allow many illegals into the country and go half hearted with the war.

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An America that has no problem torturing whom it pleases.

I have no problem with that, what so ever. But since there's no evidence that's taken place, I can't get upset over it.

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An America that fights wars for economic control and world domination in the guise of national defense.

Right, because no other country has ever done that, huh? Oh, btw....we're not just fighting for OUR economy, but for pretty much the economies for all other nations.

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An America that brands disent as un-patriotic.

Hey, if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, swims like a duck......DUCK!

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An America that allows the President to piss on that "Goddamn piece of paper"- our Constitution.

Can't address that, as it's another straw man, but better a commander in chief do what's right to defend his country than to give rights to terrorist. Where are those concentration camps again? Oh, that's right...it was a DEMOCRAT who rounded up AMERICANS and put them in camps. Back in WW2. Don't think W's done anything near that. Not by a long shot.

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Luckily, we're not all the way there yet, and by the grace of the more moderate-minded in our government, we never will be.

How does one say 'Allah Akbar' with a southern drawl ? Hmmm...

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I love my country and my planet. And America will be all the greater for it's momentary dabbling in the Dark Side that these perverted NeoCons hope to dominate our destiny with.

We only failed in that we didn't do ENOUGH.

Want TRUE fascism? Just wait until the Dems try to re-inact the 'un'Fairness Doctrine. Kiss your free speech goodbye, if that happens.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

What a tool Chrisisall is.

At least I'm an American tool, you commie.
Here, have an Armstrong wrench up your a*s why dontcha?

Made in America Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh, btw....we're not just fighting for OUR economy, but for pretty much the economies for all other nations.

*eyes bulge*
WTF?
You are just full of fear, boy. 911 has worked it's mojo on you severe. Chalk up another scared American for the Terrorists.

They ain't gonna win like that with Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
either you didn't actually READ my whole first post and you're just going by the thread title, or you're simply a d***head.

A little from column A, a lot from column B...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:31 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh, btw....we're not just fighting for OUR economy, but for pretty much the economies for all other nations.
*eyes bulge*
WTF?
You are just full of fear, boy. 911 has worked it's mojo on you severe. Chalk up another scared American for the Terrorists.

They ain't gonna win like that with Chrisisall

Not fear, son. Just clear, cold fact. Look at what Europe pays for a gallon ( 4 litres ) of gas. Think of how much they'd pay if a single Islamic power had control of the oil fields of Iran, Iraq and Kuwait, just to name a few. What of Japan, another nation heavily dependent on outside oil sources. Oil doesn't just go into wealthy American's SUVs , but is used in all types of manufacturing , all over the world. Incase you missed it, al Qaeda declared war on the USA.....back in 1997. It's time to wake up, ' mei mei'.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
A little from column A, a lot from column B...

Yer killin' me C

BWAHAHAHAChrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:34 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I love America.
I hate the Bush Administration.

Ok, so its not July. A redhead in the snow can dream, can't she?

A redhead who looks like that can do about what ever the heck she wants.

What was the question ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
And...by the way...the next time some new Hitler-wannabee rises up and threatens to destroy Europe...like Iran's Assholijhad, or some other muslim maniac...don't YOU dare expect any American to give a fuck.

Few Americans outside of Franklin Delano Roosevelt gave a fuck last time round, so whats changed exactly?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not fear, son. Just clear, cold fact.

What about the clear cold fact that the oil is dwindling as we type? Who gives a good gorram who controls those fields in ten to fifteen years? Conservative estimates have them dry in fourty. You're stuck in the past, little one. The future is less crude.

Energy, made in the USA Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:51 PM

Tee hee hee

Then allow me to throw this bone in for contention.

If/When the crude dries up, regardless of other alternative energy schemes abounding, most cars are STILL likely to built muchlike they are today, which means Ethanol and/or BioDiesel conversion will be an absolute necessity in order to keep them running long enough to develop true alternatives cause history shows that solutions only occur when a problem is wholly unignorable by the masses.

Which, in turn means securing a supply of fuel.

Tell me folks, WHICH country is the breadbasket of the world, with maximum growing capacity and significant surpluses ?
Hmmm ?

Oh my how the tables will turn, won't they ?

Bear in mind I live just north of an agricultural district who's members already run most of their tractors on homegrown Bio-D, and they're rubbing their hands and chuckling over eventual subsidies.

MineIsAnEvilLaugh Frem.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh my how the tables will turn, won't they ?

The Military Industrial Complex won't be pleased; I'll tell them that for nothing.

*snap* Maybe the bread basket can part ways with the rest of the country, and we can go to war with them, then Halliburton will stay on top!

Lame idea man Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 1:04 PM

Mr Troll, the builders just called. Your bridge is ready for you.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by jorune:
Mr Troll, the builders just called. Your bridge is ready for you.

I don't know you son (sister), but I'm sure you're very nice. And I'm sure you didn't have time to read all of this, so I'll give you the skinny: I don't hate America, and The Brooklyn Bridge is the only one I would consider living under.

Gotta problem wit dat Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 1:11 PM

Chrisisall, you're killin' me here.

Though I have to agree with some of your original statements. I love my country but I'm not exactly proud of it right now.

You can't take my toes from me. -- Joss Whedon

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Friday, January 26, 2007 1:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jorune:
Mr Troll, the builders just called. Your bridge is ready for you.

Heh heh, Chris a troll. What will these newbies think of next?

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 2:12 PM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not fear, son. Just clear, cold fact. Look at what Europe pays for a gallon ( 4 litres ) of gas. Think of how much they'd pay if a single Islamic power had control of the oil fields of Iran, Iraq and Kuwait, just to name a few. What of Japan, another nation heavily dependent on outside oil sources.

you do know europe has it's own oil sources? not all the oil in the world is in the middle east and america

so please don't bother fighting on our account, it's nice that you care but it's really not necessary

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Friday, January 26, 2007 2:39 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
you do know europe has it's own oil sources? not all the oil in the world is in the middle east and america

Yeah, but sometimes I wonder if dependence on Russia is such a great alternative, especially after the stunt they pulled a couple of weeks ago.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 2:44 PM

You're thinking about the central Europeans, they're screwed. It's the Brits and the Norwegians that have the oil and natural gas. It's declining rapidly though so the UK is using the oil know how to make off shore wind farms

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Friday, January 26, 2007 2:56 PM

Yeah, but the UK and Norway don't produce nearly enough for the entire continent. As far as I know, most countries in Europe are more dependent on Russia than on Britain or Norway.

Busy looking for charts, but somehow, for a change, Google isn't giving me what I'm looking for.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:

so please don't bother fighting on our account, it's nice that you care but it's really not necessary

Call it the Felix Lighter Syndrome.

Alimentary Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:13 PM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

yeah, I couldn't find charts, but I know we have some, not a huge amount but the point stands that our petrol prices aren't high because we're dependant on "outside sources" and there's no reason to think they'd go up if we had to start trading more with the middle east. so I'd still rather auraptor wasn't fighting for our 'right' to take it off them...

anyway, don't want to hijack the thread I have to go and get brainwashed by the bbc, toodle-pip

(ooh, hello chris, they thought you were one of us, it must be the incredibly cool spike accent you've been practicing)

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:20 PM

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

<.< >.>

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to put this, but I don't want to start a whole 'nother thread. Anybody hear about Operation Imposing Law? You know... O-I-L?

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:

(ooh, hello chris, they thought you were one of us, it must be the incredibly cool spike accent you've been practicing)

When they gang up on you it is a bit like Village of the Damned here, all with the Nancy-boy zombie eyes chanting "Bush is on course; You hate your country, blagh blagh..."
A right bunch of wankers lurking about these parts.

Mind yourself, luv.

Chrisissouled

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:32 PM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

thats why I never come here

but I'm jonesing for the other RW...

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by yinyang:

Anybody hear about Operation Imposing Law? You know... O-I-L?

That's so absurd it HAS to be named that just to make jokes concerning it seem lame. It's surreal time, ladies and germs.

OOps, I'm in the Twilight Zone now....

Saw the signpost up ahead Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:37 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
anyway, don't want to hijack the thread I have to go and get brainwashed by the bbc, toodle-pip

Oh I so wish they were more like FOX news, now when they've got a bias against a country they really don't fuck about. I wonder if any who thinks the BBC has this terrible anti-American bias have ever actually seen any of their news reporting.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:38 PM

I think your general premise is correct. Europe has a long way to go to become energy independent and that would not be a carbon future. I'm guessing that Nuclear will be back on teh agenda soon enough. Tony's been murmuring about it and even the Germans are thinking about NOT closing their nuclear plants (could be tough though because the Greens have a lot of clout.)

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I'm jonesing for the other RW...

Yeah, this is the boxing ring, SB is the debate team (with occasional moody outbreaks).

Chrisisall

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:45 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I wonder if any who thinks the BBC has this terrible anti-American bias have ever actually seen any of their news reporting.

I see bits of BBC World News and except for the occasional too-pretty reporter, they come off as very factual and even non-judgemental, sort of *gasp* professional...

Imagine that Chrisisall

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