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Sen. Biden's foot enters mouth...again.

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:21 AM

MAVOURNEEN


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Personal comments he made about another White House hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, recorded by a reporter for the New York Observer.

"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16911044/

Quote:

late Wednesday, Obama released a statement seizing on Biden's use of the word "articulate."

"I didn't take Sen. Biden's comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate," Obama said. "African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate."




I would taken Biden on his word, that he meant no direspect nor was it disparaging to Obama's ethnicity ..but his history shows this is not the first racially insensitive thing he's said.

Quote:

Biden, who admits he has a tendency to bloviate, has made indelicate remarks before. Last year, speaking about Indian-Americans, he said, "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. It's a point. I'm not joking!"


( I had to look up bloviate -
"blo·vi·ate
intr.v. blo·vi·at·ed, blo·vi·at·ing, blo·vi·ates Slang
To discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner:"

Yeah. That's pretty accurate.)



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Thursday, February 1, 2007 9:30 AM

SHINYED


This is the same Joe Biden that was forced to admit years ago when it came out that he plagorized term papers in college.

He's just another smarmy politician with an over-inflated ego and desires of power.

Sure Obama's well-spoken, and clean....but I hardly think he's the first African-American to fit that category...what about these political folks Joey??? :::

Colin Powell
Jessee Jackson
Condi Rice
Charlie Rangle
Shirley Chisolm
Edward Brook
and a ton of others.

I may not like many of the above, but I will recognize them for their personal cleanliness, articulate way of speaking, fresh breath, and manicured nose hairs.....although I can't personally vouch for clean underwear, I have faith.

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 9:36 AM

WRATCHIT


I hate Biden. HATE! I used to have to jump through hoops when he came to Dover AFB. Guy was always ordering us (the cops) around like he owned us and we owed him something......

this just in, 'Today Joe Biden was pompous and his aides were crazy.' I hope he gets kidnapped by hillfolk never to be heard from again.

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 11:43 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I would taken Biden on his word, that he meant no direspect nor was it disparaging to Obama's ethnicity ..but his history shows this is not the first racially insensitive thing he's said.


Please. He's a Democrat. That means he's not a racist no matter how many black folk he insults.

The headline should be, 'Biden Makes Racist Comment, Republican Senators Asked to Resign'.

Life is good on that side of the aisle. Say what you want, have sex with subordinates, obstruct justice, undermine the war, leak national security secrets, travel on military planes, always happy to give you the shirt off of someone else's back, be a racist, be a sexist, be a traitor...its all good with the big (D).

H

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Put the Kool-Aid down and step away slowly, freak.

Either you've a serious reading comprehension problem, or you live in a different reality, possibly chemically altered.

In case you haven't noticed in the past week or so we've been having at the Dimocrats with every bit of the fervor you try to say is reserved for the Rethuglicans.

Hell, even PN got into it, stompin all over "Billary" in usual gung-ho style.

It doesn't matter if they're (D), (R), (L), (G), (I) or what have you, if they do stupid things, us browncoats are gonna rag em for it, they're polticians for mercy's sake - they're like the antithesis of normal, decent human beings.

Party affiliation makes a moron no less a moron, look in the mirror for a classic example thereof.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:16 PM

FLETCH2


No matter how hard their handlers try they still manage to say the dumbest things. John Kerry managed to go from "potential canidate for President in '08" to zero in less than a dozen words.

Not to sidetrack the issue but we've all started into a sentence and then had that "oh s**t" moment when we realised what we were actually saying and try to salvage that. Must be fun to do that with a camera in your face.

As for Biden.... meesh, can't say I'm keen on Senators running of any political stripe, too much time in Washington seems to breed a sense of political entitlement. Maybe we need term limits....

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Friday, February 2, 2007 12:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Hell, Fletch...

Kerry shoulda known something was wrong when his poll numbers tanked every time he opened his mouth - I still think he took a dive for his fellow bonesman.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 2, 2007 12:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Mavourneen Said:

I would taken Biden on his word, that he meant no direspect nor was it disparaging to Obama's ethnicity ..but his history shows this is not the first racially insensitive thing he's said.

Quote:
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Biden, who admits he has a tendency to bloviate, has made indelicate remarks before. Last year, speaking about Indian-Americans, he said, "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. It's a point. I'm not joking!"



Grow up.... you're just part of the negative campaign machine spreading this trivial bullshit.

How many times have you laughed at Apu on the Simpsons when he said "Come Again!"?

I'll bet he probably made that remark during the peak of Simpson's popularity.

And BTW... Jessee Jackson is a douchebag and even his own race can't stand him for the most part. Obama was just showing how much class he has all around and couldn't leave out Jessee when he made that remark.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, February 2, 2007 2:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The previous message is in no way an endorsement for Senator Biden. If you hate the man, more power to you. He's a politician.... I'm sure there is a million and one reasons in the world to think he is an asshole.

Please, let's leave race out of this. Everone of every nationality says what they want to say about other races behind their backs. Some of them will even do it while you're standing there if they're sure you don't understand the language their speaking.

I think that Rosie O'Donnel is a loud mouthed globalist bitch that doesn't know what she's talking about most of the time, yet I come to her defense about the Chinese remark. If you people can't laugh then go away and let the people with sense of humors laugh. I don't want the world run by the PC police who think anything that anybody says is a racist remark.

Race and supposed racism has become such a powerful and an equally disgusting tool for ousting people from office or ruining their chances for election or re-election, and I'm willing to bet that almost 100% of the time it was whiney shit like this, and not true racism that got that job done. Neither of these statements came off to me as being hurtful or racist.

What? We finally have an African American candidate that enough white people might vote for to get into office? I don't see what's so bad about that. Indians own 7 11's? Good for them... seeing as how I'm never going to be president and I most likely won't ever own a store in my life, I'd say that both of them are doing a hell of a lot better than I am.

I don't know how many times I turn on the TV and hear from people like Martin Lawrence (who I love) and Chris Rock (who I tolerate) that I can't dance because I'm white or I have a small penis because I'm white. Hey.... I'm fine with that because I can and I don't and, more importantly, I know how to laugh.

All of this shit the PC police put out is really getting tired. You all sound like a bunch of little spoiled brats. (And by you all, I don't mean Firefly fans or even a majority of the posters on this thread, but anyone who eats this crap up and regurgitates it for other idiots to swallow)

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, February 2, 2007 4:09 AM

MAVOURNEEN





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Friday, February 2, 2007 4:27 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Believe me, if you ever wanted to recieve and dish out seriously multicultural insults...

Drive a cab here for a while.

I got cussed out in KLINGON once, in Ann Arbor, wouldja believe it ?

Yanno, I always found the movie Demolition Man to be eerily prophetic - Gods Bless Dennis Leary.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 2, 2007 4:48 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I got cussed out in KLINGON once, in Ann Arbor, wouldja believe it ?



Please tell me you laughed at the sad Trekkie. Please?


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Friday, February 2, 2007 5:20 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Please tell me you laughed at the sad Trekkie. Please?

Erm, imma cabbie, we don't laugh, we return fire.
Consider the implications that I understood what he was saying.

I responded with something on the nature of...
(Translated)
"Put a bag on your head, ugly thing you are going to make my eyes explode, gives me a headache to look at that pasty face!"

And while his jaw scraped pavement in shock, I cut him off and stole his right of way, slipping neatly into the gap in traffic myself.

THEN I laughed at him, and mine is an evil laugh, bwahahaha!

Arabic is a fun sounding language too, even if you shout "Could you PLEASE let me by ?!" it sounds pretty horrific, especially to someone who doesn't speak it.... we've got a few guys who do speak it but I haven't convinced em to share with me any of the more... erm, "useful" phrases for the occasion.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 2, 2007 5:45 AM

MAVOURNEEN


The only word I know in Arabic is "Sharmuta" which is what my dear friend from Palestine call each other upon greeting.

It's important in today's global society to be up on a variety of greetings and salutations. It's the only polite thing to do!


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Friday, February 2, 2007 5:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well... I see very little intelligent discussion in here since I left.... Oh wait, that started and ended with my posts.


Heya Frem!

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, February 2, 2007 6:46 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
No matter how hard their handlers try they still manage to say the dumbest things. John Kerry managed to go from "potential canidate for President in '08" to zero in less than a dozen words.

Dean managed to do it with just an unintelligible yelp.

Whether or not a dumb comment by a politician carries any weight with the electorate depends on whether people think the comment was really just an “oh-shit” comment or a Freudian slip. People will forgive a dumb comment, but a Freudian slip is a window into the soul. A brief look at the Klingon ship before cloaking device goes back on. And that won’t be forgotten soon.

That’s Biden’s problem. He’s now confirmed in the minds of many Americans that he’s a racist. I don’t know if he actually is a racist or not. I think he was trying to suck up to Obama, not criticism him, and it went horribly wrong. I think he thought that if he could come up with some flattering language about Obama in the direction of the media’s current fascination he could absorb some of the Obama’s popularity. Part of the reason why Obama is as popular as he is, is because he is an African-American. The media is just mesmerized by the idea of an African-American candidate for the presidency, and if what Biden said was racist or elitist, then surely the media is just as, I would think.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, February 2, 2007 8:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The media is just mesmerized by the idea of an African-American candidate for the presidency, and if what Biden said was racist or elitist, then surely the media is just as, I would think.



True, True....

I love how nobody hardly ever mentions the fact that the man is half white or that his father is a Muslim.

Though I'm sure as the election time mud-slinging begins, the rest of the country that doesn't know about is father's religion surely will.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 12:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Please. He's a Democrat. That means he's not a racist no matter how many black folk he insults.

The headline should be, 'Biden Makes Racist Comment, Republican Senators Asked to Resign'.

Life is good on that side of the aisle. Say what you want, have sex with subordinates, obstruct justice, undermine the war, leak national security secrets, travel on military planes, always happy to give you the shirt off of someone else's back, be a racist, be a sexist, be a traitor...its all good with the big (D).



Are you actually Dennis Miller? Every single word of your post is preciously correct and true and is stated so perfectly....I haven't heard all the absurd Dem. hypocricies & horseshit summed up so wonderfully in a long time...thanks! I too fall victim as of late the endless media dem/lib lovefest of utter chaos and insanity, and it's a real pleasure to read your words and know there's at least one other person who frikkin' gets it.

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 5:19 AM

KANEMAN


I think senator Biden should be hung upside down, his pants taken off, and his old wrinkly balls should be continuously slapped for a minimum of 26 minutes and 34 seconds.


*edit*
If that doesn't shut the man up maybe some brave soul could throw a handful of monkey shit into his mouth....

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA


So Cheney, Foley, Ney, and Abramhoff are Dimocrats ?

News to me.

-F

(Disclaimer: If yer too stupid to need that one explained in detail - not my problem)

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 9:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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travel on military planes

Yet another fairy tale brought to you by the rightwingnuts.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/05/pelosi-military-aircraft

-F

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 9:33 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Biden shooting himself in foot? Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. There's a reason he gets tagged with the label (D-MBNA). And it's even sadder when you put that together with his childhood memories* of answering the door for bill collectors who were coming to shut off his family's services. How fucked up is it to be bought and paid for by the same folks who were kicking you around your whole life? It's like seeing a dog who has been kicked repeatedly still slinking up to lick his master's hand.

I honestly wonder where he thought the votes would come from? Sure he would've had no problem raising money. All those DLC types just want to pony up to the new-and-improved-not-just-for-Republicans-anymore-K-street moneybags with promises of business as usual and they should have no problem raking in the big bucks. But I didn't see any mass of support from the more progressive elements of the Democratic Party. Edwards and Obama are the front-runners for that crowd.

* courtesy of a clip on tonight's Daily Show


On a semi-related note, I think you have to take into account the idea of a dominant culture whenever the topic of racism comes up. Privelege, and all that. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you're probably benefitting from it. This idea that, "Damnit, I want to tell my jokes and not be called a racist" rather than, "I should have the balls to acknowledge that I imbibed cultural biases with my mother's milk." just seems like a weeny way out.

* edited to add: (The last part wasn't directed at your post, Frem. I'm just too lazy to do two posts)

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA


No offense taken, Soup.

I grew up in a somewhat racist family, mind you, and for whatever reason it didn't take with me, I thought it idiotic then, and even more so now, especially with the advent of the internet, and yet...

Jack did make an excellent point on it that I can absolutely confirm, having been dirt starving poor in some of Baltimores nastiest ghettos.

The closer to to poverty you live, the less this kinda thing matters, that's absolutely a fact, and racial mockery is no more an offense down there than mocking someones big ears or bad hairstyle.

What they DO take offense at is being mocked in that fashion by someone higher in the social scale, they're not "part of the club", you might say.

So when I hear some moron here in suburbia comment that "They call each other ****** and that's ok but they get pissed if you call em that ?" it evidences a complete lack of that particular understanding, prolly cause they've never been poor and desperate.

If you've never done the Ramen Noodle Shuffle*, never had to fight a bum over his park bench to avoid sleeping on the ground, or fend off a crack-pack for what little you have - you just ain't capable of understanding.


-Frem

*The RMS is this little shuffle you do to avoid tripping over stuff while humping six cases of Ramen to the counter cause that's all you can afford to eat, if you've never done it, you won't get the joke.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 4:10 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


And yet I've been told there's less of a difference between the RNS folk and those of whitey-tighty land than between either one and those born with a silver coke spoon up their nose.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 5:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Also true, Rue - nowhere is this more apparent than "Billytown" aka "Barrytown", the neighborhood officially known as Curtis Bay.

It happens to be just about side by side with "Crooklyn", the neighborhood known as Brooklyn, home to the intersection known as "Ground Zero", 10th and Stohl.

The only damned difference between em is a coupla blocks, and that's IT.

If you ever wanted to see that world up close without actually going there, read this book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide:_A_Year_on_the_Killing_Streets

They originally wanted to film the series in Baltimore, but it was too damned dangerous to even try.

Also noteable is the attitude of the BCPD, one of the reasons for my intense dislike of police in general.
"We don't care if we got the RIGHT guy, long as we got SOME guy, to take the fall and close the case.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, February 12, 2007 12:33 AM

SOUPCATCHER


I've been meaning to get back to this thread for a while now...

* This post sponsered by Two-Buck-Chuck Shiraz, Budweiser and Nicotine Polacrilex Gum (I'm down to the 2mg version, WOO HOO!). Not quite the cigarette and malt liquor sponsors from my undergrad days, but close . *
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I grew up in a somewhat racist family, mind you, and for whatever reason it didn't take with me, I thought it idiotic then, and even more so now, especially with the advent of the internet, and yet...


I'd argue that it's well nigh impossible to grow up in an American family that didn't pass along some bigotry. Sure it's not as overt as it used to be. One thing that most Americans have learned is that some basic prejudices are best left unstated until you get to know people better. It's not like my grandfather's generation - he only had two words for blacks and "boys" was the polite one - but that doesn't mean the underlying sentiment went away. It kind of comes down to how you define racism. To me, racism is any decision influenced by a stereotype. To the media and a lot of Americans - many, but not all, of them being members of the dominant culture - racism is only the extreme actions (hate speech, vandalism or cross burning, lynchings etc.)
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The closer to to poverty you live, the less this kinda thing matters, that's absolutely a fact, and racial mockery is no more an offense down there than mocking someones big ears or bad hairstyle.

What they DO take offense at is being mocked in that fashion by someone higher in the social scale, they're not "part of the club", you might say.


Privilege comes in at least four flavors: class, race, gender and sexuality. Depending on the situation, one is more prominent than another. As a hetero male, I usually don't pay too much attention to gender or sexuality privilege (seeing as how I'm a beneficiary). For me personally class trumps race most of the time. I'm much more pissed off by upper middle class people who pander to those who were born into less fortunate families than I am with those who are ignants.

The dominant culture in this country is rich, white, male and hetero. Everyone else (which is the vast majority of us) has added stress from not being members of that dominant culture. I tend to think of it in terms of background programs running on your computer. To give an example, I've never really worried about being raped. As a man, unless I go to prison, that's just not part of my threat horizon. I've never worried that I might get the shit kicked out of me simply for the gender of the person I'm attracted to. These are stresses that women and homosexuals, respectively, deal with on a daily basis. And the list goes on and on. For those who are not a member of the dominant culture there are all these added concerns, kind of like spyware, bogging down the system and using up resources. Privilege, for those who are members of the dominant culture, is invisible. They don't even know that they are benefitting. And any attempt to lessen that privilege is viewed as discrimination against them.

That's kind of what happened to the idea of political correctness. Today, political correctness is viewed as a joke. Matter of fact the way the phrase gets used now is as cover for people who want to not be considered offensive while saying things they are worried might be offensive. How many times have you heard someone say, "Well, this probably isn't politically correct, BUT..." Translation: "I think someone might be offended by this but I still want to say it but I don't want to be thought of as offensive so this is my get out of jail free card." In other words, they're pussying out.*

Which is too bad because there is a germ of a good idea at the heart of the concept of political correctness. The idea is that the dominant cultural group does not get to decide what offends those in the minority. That only a person who is living in the trenches can tell you what pisses them off. It's the exact opposite of the, "boy, you better know your place," school of thought. It's also an acknolwedgement of the effective use of humor in enforcing stereotypes and continuiung the primacy of the dominant culture. It's no surprise that there was widespread aversion.


* This raises a question: how should you handle situations where you want to use a stereotype for humerous purposes but are worried that people might find it offensive? The short answer, as always, is to be confident. Tell your joke (whether it be based around the Jews being penny pinchers, "Because they're cheap, GET IT?" or about how all Chicanos are really Mexicans, "All brown people are here illegally, GET IT?" or about how a lot of accidents are caused by Asian-Americans, "Because they can't drive, GET IT?" etc.). If someone complains, just look them in the face and say, "I'm an asshole. And?" It's the Andrew Dice Clay approach to life.

There's actually a little ditty I sing whenever I do something that I'm not too proud of. The lyrics are simple, "I'm an asshole" sung over and over again with head bobbing and shoulder weaving. In other words, rather than shying away from the moments in my life where I'm obnoxious, I celebrate my assholery and move on.

And, on that vino fueled veritas, I end this post

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I still think he took a dive for his fellow bonesman.





At one time this guy didn't sound like such a fascist commie totalitarian idiot

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Thursday, October 7, 2021 11:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I would taken Biden on his word, that he meant no direspect nor was it disparaging to Obama's ethnicity ..but his history shows this is not the first racially insensitive thing he's said.


Please. He's a Democrat. That means he's not a racist no matter how many black folk he insults.

The headline should be, 'Biden Makes Racist Comment, Republican Senators Asked to Resign'.

Life is good on that side of the aisle. Say what you want, have sex with subordinates, obstruct justice, undermine the war, leak national security secrets, travel on military planes, always happy to give you the shirt off of someone else's back, be a racist, be a sexist, be a traitor...its all good with the big (D).

H




If you don't vote for me, than you ain't black.



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Saturday, February 19, 2022 7:27 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Biden's First Year As President by Babylon Bee

https://www.bitchute.com/video/35CemfNNeCT6/

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