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Monday, March 12, 2007 12:22 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


It is completely propagandic and based on lies. TV does not make you obese nor dumb nor unactive. two words Discovery,Channel. Read why everything bad is good for you

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Last year my class went on a field trip to learn about radiation. the day before i watched mythbusters. when the person held up a device that i had seen on mythbusters i immediatly raised my hand and said what it was. he was astounded. The whole thing happened during tv turnoff week

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:18 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


I haven't a clue what you are talking about. But FMF reporting for respondage duty!





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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:19 PM

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What are you talking about?

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:22 PM

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There are some people who are trying to get rid of television and aren't looking at the facts

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:26 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
There are some people who are trying to get rid of television and aren't looking at the facts



OK, there is no way in hell that they will ever do away with television. Seriously, 120 million couch potatoes rising up in a panic is not a pretty sight.







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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:30 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


They think that television is lowering childerens grades

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
They think that television is lowering childerens grades



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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:51 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
They think that television is lowering childerens grades



Well I think that teaching to tests and trying to teach a years worth of a subject in 1 semester is lowering grades. That and the fact that one does not have to have a license to breed in this country.


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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:55 PM

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Research published earlier this week, suggests that children who watch a lot of television and have a set in their bedroom, do significantly worse at school and are less likely to reach university.


Dr Thomas Robinson, who led research at Stanford University said that by putting a television set in a child’s room ‘parents are giving up any control over how much and what their children are watching. They have no idea if they are watching all night, or if they are watching violent or sexually explicit content, or content or advertising that promotes alcohol or drug use.’


http://www.raisingkids.co.uk/todaysnews/news_070705_01.asp


Quote:

For Imperial Valley residents interested in the education of youngsters, recent research has found too much television and video games have a negative effect on children’s school work.

Dr. Iman Sharif of the Children’s Hospital at Montefiore in the Bronx, N.Y., has completed a study seeing the effect extensive use of both TV and video games has had on middle school students in Vermont and New Hampshire.


http://www.icoe.org/ICOE/About/Stories/too+much+tv.htm

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Relationship of Physical Activity and Television Watching with Body Weight and Level of Fatness Among Children

Ross E. Andersen, PhD; Carlos J. Crespo, DrPH, MS; Susan J. Bartlett, PhD; Lawrence J. Cheskin, MD; Michael Pratt, MD, MPH

From the Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 279, No. 12, March 1998.

Direct Quotes

"Increasingly, leisure time activities are more sedentary, with television watching, video games, and personal computing among the most popular pastimes."

"Because a sedentary lifestyle is considered a risk factor for coronary artery disease. Parents and health care professionals need to encourage adolescent females in particular to maintain active lifestyles throughout adolescence."

"Children who watched more television and were less likely to participate in vigorous activity tended to have higher BMIs [body mass index]."

"Moreover, repeated exposure to television commercials for food may prompt children to increase food consumption, which ultimately leads to weight gain."


http://www.tvturnoff.org/rpage2.htm

Quote:

Larry A. Tucker, PhD; Glenn M. Friedman, MD

American Journal of Public Health, Volume 79, No. 4, 1989.

DIRECT QUOTES

"The present findings indicate that duration of daily television viewing is strongly associated with obesity and super-obesity in adult males, as in children."

"...Non-obese men... prefer other pastimes, since most leisure activities require more physical exertion than television watching."

"The findings of this study and other recent research show that the impact of television on the lifestyles and health of Americans cannot be ignored."


http://www.tvturnoff.org/obesity1.htm

I think I'm going to have to go with the experts on this one, over the pat denial of our resident television apologist.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 3:35 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION



Yeah ok then. My straight A student will never watch tv again. I guess I will have to remove it from his room. And then my other straight A student will have to forgo a tv in his college dorm. And I am not sure what I will tell people at college when they ask about how #1 managed to get 3 A's and 2 B's on his A levels, then come over here to the US and get a 29 on his ACT - all while growing up with a tv and a playstation his room.

#2 has not taken his ACT yet, but he is straight A honors and always has been.

TV is not the problem - and BTW - most of what you sited spoke of too much tv causing obesity.

The problem with American schools is the curriculum or lack there of it. Children are taught only the information on tests. Teachers are not encouraged to stray from the curriculum. The arts and music are either non-existent or extremely cut back. The only motivation there seems to be is for sports. We should adopt the British School systems curriculum, the children have a much wider vocabulary and are taught maths more in depth.

I remember when we got back to this county I got a call from #2's maths teacher telling me that #2 was failing that part of the course. I asked what they were learning and she said long division - well the problem was that in England he was taught to do it in his head and here they wanted him to do it on paper. He was being penalized for being about to do it all in his head - how stupid is that?


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Monday, March 12, 2007 4:05 PM

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FMF, I don't totally disagree with you on the curriculum thing; but I can't say I agree with your reasoning.

I post research--not opinion, mind you--that links television and video game consumption with falling grades and obesity. You say, yeah right, then why'd my kids do so good? You say, it's the curriculum to blame. But on that kind of reasoning, I can just as easily come right back and say, Oh yeah, then how did my siblings and I get straight A's?

So let's all just take a breath a moment. ILOVEFIREFLY has a valid point to be made, and I think it's this: the TV Turnoff folks are a little alarmist. But I think that the experts have a valid point, too: excessive television contributes to poor scholarship and obesity (and by the by, both the obesity issue and the scholarship issue were addressed in my citations).

Basically, I think the problem of argumentation in this thread is this: there is no one problem. There are multiple ones. Take my sister: she was a middle school math teacher. She had a student failing her course. Student's mother calls up and reams my sister for failing her kid (in such an ugly way that she makes my sister cry). Then the student's mother starts circulating a story about how my sister is involved in inappropriate sexual relationships with the students (complete lies). The principle (thank God) stands behind his teacher, but it took the better part of a year to get the thing figured out (and the poor thing just quit after that--too traumatic). So maybe instead of curriculum or TV the real problem is that parents take their kids' word over the teacher's and don't push them or supervise their schooling. Or maybe it's money--the teachers don't make enough money so that has to be why the kids are doing so poor--teaching doesn't attract enough people because the money's so bad. Or maybe it's federal funding to the schools--you get my point. It's not a simple-solution issue, and I think we'll all be better served to address the issue with some clarity. Contra to ILFF, there are scientific studies linking TV to poor grades. So he's not totally right in saying that TV has no impact. In addition, you've got a good point in critiquing the curriculum. But jeez-mony-christmas. What's with all the snark and meanness?

*whew*

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Monday, March 12, 2007 4:06 PM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
There are some people who are trying to get rid of television and aren't looking at the facts



Which facts?

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:01 PM

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ahh, television - we love it - hate it - can't stand to watch and can't turn it off...

one of my favorite tv moments was watching the old Second City late night laugh fest from our neighbors to the north - the great white that is... each week the program started with tv sets being thrown from the windows of a tall building - it was the glorious - the smashing crt's the cracking plastic - i was young, but i knew that one day i too, would fling my tv from the top of an apartment.. and yes, i did, at long last, manage to smash an old b&w zenith (course it didn't work too well anyway, and i had a backup - what? miss my shows...?? no way...)

but tv turn off week - sure, i'm for it - let's make a month..two.... can anyone last a year...?

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
FMF, I don't totally disagree with you on the curriculum thing; but I can't say I agree with your reasoning.

I post research--not opinion, mind you--that links television and video game consumption with falling grades and obesity. You say, yeah right, then why'd my kids do so good? You say, it's the curriculum to blame. But on that kind of reasoning, I can just as easily come right back and say, Oh yeah, then how did my siblings and I get straight A's?

So let's all just take a breath a moment. ILOVEFIREFLY has a valid point to be made, and I think it's this: the TV Turnoff folks are a little alarmist. But I think that the experts have a valid point, too: excessive television contributes to poor scholarship and obesity (and by the by, both the obesity issue and the scholarship issue were addressed in my citations).

Basically, I think the problem of argumentation in this thread is this: there is no one problem. There are multiple ones. Take my sister: she was a middle school math teacher. She had a student failing her course. Student's mother calls up and reams my sister for failing her kid (in such an ugly way that she makes my sister cry). Then the student's mother starts circulating a story about how my sister is involved in inappropriate sexual relationships with the students (complete lies). The principle (thank God) stands behind his teacher, but it took the better part of a year to get the thing figured out (and the poor thing just quit after that--too traumatic). So maybe instead of curriculum or TV the real problem is that parents take their kids' word over the teacher's and don't push them or supervise their schooling. Or maybe it's money--the teachers don't make enough money so that has to be why the kids are doing so poor--teaching doesn't attract enough people because the money's so bad. Or maybe it's federal funding to the schools--you get my point. It's not a simple-solution issue, and I think we'll all be better served to address the issue with some clarity. Contra to ILFF, there are scientific studies linking TV to poor grades. So he's not totally right in saying that TV has no impact. In addition, you've got a good point in critiquing the curriculum. But jeez-mony-christmas. What's with all the snark and meanness?

*whew*

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Snarky snark snark - cause it urks the hell out of me when people blame things on everything except where it belongs - on themselves. Biggest problem in this country? No Personal Responsibility. "The buck stops everywhere else but here" should be the USA motto.




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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:20 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


The experts can't always get things right. i believe Knowledge over health. listen to me having an IQ of 200 off of the discovery channel is a lot better than having your neck snapped in our so called past-time american football

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:22 PM

CAUSAL


Just stating a proposition doesn't make that proposition true. I've got some research. What've you got? Other than atrocious grammar, that is?

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
...it urks the hell out of me when people blame things on everything except where it belongs - on themselves. Biggest problem in this country? No Personal Responsibility. "The buck stops everywhere else but here" should be the USA motto.



No disagreements here. But how well equipped are kids to make sensible decisions? Isn't part of responsible parenting overseeing how much of what kind of media one's children consume? Is not part of it also to oversee their school work? You blame curriculum, and that's legitimate, to an extent. But if we're going to trumpet the doctrine of personal responsibility oughtn't we be taking parents to task for not insuring that their school-aged children are doing their homework instead of watching Bratz?

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:32 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


my atrocious grammar is due to me used to chat rooms on this site oh and by the way im young. I know whether it increases or lowers my grades. And im in the middle of conducting reasarch and according to my grades im probably headed torwards MIT

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:52 PM

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Well, no offense ILFF, but your being young doesn't mean that I'm going to take your word over the research of a Stanford professor. Your media consumption habits probably don't affect your grades because you're a responsible student, and a hard worker. Can you say that about all your classmates? You're assuming that because something is true about you, it must be true about everyone. Obviously, that's not the case. In philosophy, we call that the fallacy of hasty generalization. It's a fallacy because although it seems reasonable, it's really not. I'm sorry if you think that TV affects no one--but that's the opinion of one young person. I'm not sure that really stacks up favorably against the opinions against medical professionals.

On the other hand, good for you for keeping your grades up!

Just one more thing: if you honestly think that you can attain a high level of intellectual acheivement from watching the Discovery channel, you've got another think coming. Discovery, like all other television, is in the business of entertainment. They amuse you so you'll watch consistently enough to see the commercials, whence their income derives. If you really want to have a 200 IQ, read books. The first one I'd recommend is Amusing Ourselves To Death by Neal Postman. He takes a critical look at the thinking habits that television promotes as against print media. I think you'll find it very enlightening.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 6:01 PM

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Different medical reports contradict each other i once read something that said that video games lowered your heart rate but due to my science experiment work ive found that the person actually has a heavy increase on the really violent games and action-based ones

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Monday, March 12, 2007 7:01 PM

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"TV makes you lose IQ points the longer you watch. There have been actual studies." as Stephanie says, pretty near, in Short Circuit.

That said, I watched plenty in high school and college, and graduated from both with good, but not excellent, grades.

I learned how to turn the TV off, and sit under the bright light at the dining room table all by myself, just me and my school books and my homework papers.

I also learned how to ignore the idiot box, even when it was playing loud in the next room.

But probably the most important thing I learned, was to read; and to enjoy reading; to revere books; and, to learn from them and be entertained by them.

I also ate the crappy, unhealthy food my parents served, and prefer it still , when I can get it, and was tall and skinny into my late 30's. Now, mid-50's , I am getting fat, but still don't have serious heart or blood pressure problems.

Now-a-days, I don't watch much TV, but I do choose to watch shows or movies on DVD. *I* *C*H*O*O*S*E*.

I watch things that I want to, not just what's on, and I watch it with full concentration, not just as background noise to dinner or life or work.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 7:09 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


My estimated IQ is in the mensa range and ive been watching television since i was young

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
Different medical reports contradict each other i once read something that said that video games lowered your heart rate but due to my science experiment work ive found that the person actually has a heavy increase on the really violent games and action-based ones



I don't doubt that there's some disagreement, but which studies are they? When/where were they published? Are they available online? Again, I understand that you disagree, but mere disagreement doesn't entail truth.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
There are some people who are trying to get rid of television and aren't looking at the facts


Those people produce reality TV or are Fox TV executives.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:16 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by ilovefirefly:
My estimated IQ is in the mensa range and ive been watching television since i was young

Did you estimate it yourself?

I think your overstating the issue. There is no real concerted effort to get rid of television in this country, but television does pose a problem for education, particularly in children. Children who spend a lot of time watching television do poorly, on average, in school, and it’s really not hard to see why. It’s not that there isn’t educational programs on TV or that TV can’t be educational, but generally speaking, most shows on TV are not educational.

Most successful people do not spend hours everyday watching TV. I, for one, carefully control the TV time in my house. I curtail my television time to only a few shows. On top of that, I’ll watch the news regularly and occasional shows on the Discovery Channel or the History Channel when they strike me. I think that’s a responsible use of television, but that’s not typically the way children obsessed with television watch.

I know kids who would sit in front on the television from the time they got home from school to the time they were forced into bed by their parents. One kid’s explanation for watching TV like that was that he didn’t want to miss his favorite TV show (singular). Meaning that there was only one show on that he was actually interested in, but would sit entranced in front of the television for hours watching shows he couldn’t have cared less about until that one show came on. Afterwards he would continue watching for lack of anything else to do. That is not healthy, but that’s the way a lot of children watch TV in the US.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:00 AM

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Snarky snark snark - cause it urks the hell out of me when people blame things on everything except where it belongs - on themselves. Biggest problem in this country? No Personal Responsibility. "The buck stops everywhere else but here" should be the USA motto.



Sooooooooooooo True! Americans are so spoiled. We are all so good at finding someone to demonize, then blame them for eveything till they're no longer demons. Like communists in the 50's-80's, now we have Islam. Anyway, I couldn't agree more

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
Sooooooooooooo True! Americans are so spoiled. We are all so good at finding someone to demonize, then blame them for eveything till they're no longer demons. Like communists in the 50's-80's, now we have Islam. Anyway, I couldn't agree more

Yeah, I’m not sure either communism or Islam are good examples of that, since both (in one form or another) were and are very blame worthy for an awful lot of horrible things. But clearly there is some intent in certain areas of social attitude to seek blame that doesn’t require a personal admission. However, even that can become a form of deception to avoid blame. I’m a strong advocate of personal responsibility, but I’ve seen people desperate to push all the blame onto person responsibility, when in almost all cases, there is a degree of blame to be shared. Television is one of those things. Take graphic violence in the media for example: some people insist that we should uncritically accept such graphic violence on television because it is our responsibility not to watch it, but that is as much bullshit as saying that we have no responsibility in the matter. As always a degree of reason is important.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 7:13 AM

ILOVEFIREFLY


-snip-

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 7:23 AM

CONSTANCE


Turn off tv for a week?? If you need to do that to get meaning back into your life, youre either haveing deeper rooted problems, or youre just watching the wrong shows...

turn off tv..hah...



Constance

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 12:13 PM

ILOVEFIREFLY


I am very sorry if I offended anyone with some of my posts. I really didn't mean to diss anyone. I am very sorry. Really really I will be a try not to rush and to keep my spelling grammatically correct in my posts from now on. I like to see other evidence and other people's views on this, and will try to not get defensive

I do understand in certain cases that TV can cause obesity because it can keep children inside instead of going out to exercise, and I understand that maybe these people are trying to improve that, maybe make some family togetherness time even, but I do believe that things can be learned on TV. There are things like cartoons and other shows that might not allow people to learn from them, but there are also shows that, although are in it for the entertainment, can give people knowledge and can be good family shows.

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