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Finally: Getting Iraq's Oil

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Thursday, April 19, 2007 15:13
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Cheney finally gets to check off one of the items on his Energy Task Force To-Do List: “open up areas of their {Middle East} energy sectors to foreign investment.” Iraq's oil resources have been under negotiation since we invaded. It was easy to see which way the "negotiations" would trend by looking at Paul Bremmer's CPA orders, which included:

Privatization of Iraqs 200 state-owned enterprises ,100% foreign ownership of Iraqi businesses, national treatment of foreign firms,
unrestricted, tax-free remittance of all profits and other funds, 40-year ownership licenses.
Suspension of all tariffs, customs duties, import taxes, licensing fees and similar surcharges for goods entering or leaving Iraq, and all other trade restrictions that may apply to such goods.
Full immunity from Iraq's laws for foreign contractors, including security contractors.
Prohibition of Iraqi farmers from saving heirloom seeds.

But the third rail that nobody would touch until now has been the Iraq's oil fields. Various privatization proposals including Production Sharing Agreements (PSAs) were floated and rejected because of the furor they set off in Iraq. But the Bush administration has been pushing hard for a favorable oil law to be passed- one of the "benchmarks" that he set for current Iraq government- and the Iraq Parliament recently passed the Hydrocarbon Law... something that the USA press has been very quiet about.

Here is a detailed discussion of why we invaded Iraq:


http://deepblade.net/journal/2007/03/is-the-oil-law-an-iraq-success.ht
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:58 PM

RUE

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"Always look upstream." Or in this case, up the pipeline.

DAMN ! It WAS about the oil.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:19 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Okay. No outside investment in Iraqi oil infrastructure. Then who pays for it? The stuff they got now is old, inefficient, prone to breakdown, and mostly so obsolete no one makes parts for it any more. Straight loans would be a massive burden on the Iraqi government to repay, and still leave them beholden to the lender. They also need expertise in newer methods and equipment that they don't have. But I guess if the evil oil companies don't make any money off it the fact that Iraq doesn't either is a small price to pay.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:36 PM

RUE

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My take: it's interesting to see who got what of all they went for. It's really about salvaging parts. For Cheney it was about the oil - check. For Bush it was personal - check. For the neocons it was about a NWO - not so much victory on that.

Iraq under Hussein was about to ink contracts with either the French or Russians - I forget which - to develop their oil fields. They didn't have to give up ownership to do it. There seems to have been enough $$ potential to tempt international business. The 'deal' the US ultimately pressured Iraq into wasn't financially necessary.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Geezer, most of the Mideast oil fields are already nationalized, like the Saudis. And they do very well without giving up ownership.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:17 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Because Iraq tried to steal Kuwait's oil, US Gov massmurdered 2.5-million Iraqis, and serialkilled 100,000 US Gulf War troops.

Now gas is 300% higher, with Sir Heinz Kissinger Knight of the British Empire bragging at Bilderburg that gas will soon be 600% higher, at least. Israel gets the free pipeline.

Three years ago, Iraqis paid 20-cents/gallon for gas, full srvice. Now it's 500% higher and climbing, for oil imported to Iraq by Haliburton.

All Iraq wanted to do was sell cheap oil to USA. New World Odor (a/k/a British Empire) can't let that happen. The Queen's British Petroleum owns all oil in Alaska, and exports it to Japan, Mexico and Communist China, or pumps it back into the ground.



And Bush perped 9/11. Death to NWO and all those who suck its dick.


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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Wait.... I'm confused.....

Shouldn't gas prices be going down then?

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, most of the Mideast oil fields are already nationalized, like the Saudis. And they do very well without giving up ownership.



The Saudis didn't start out owning their oil business. Standard Oil of California, joined by Texaco, Exxon and Mobil, did the development and construction. Saudi Arabia threatened nationalization to claim a 50% share of profits and usd this money to eventually buy out the company, almost 50 years after it started business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:43 AM

SHINYED


I see the Tokyo Rosie O Brigade is out in full force again today slinging their usual vile bullshit.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:10 AM

SHINYED


I love the smell of uncontrollable Bush-hatred in the morning.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Geezer- Development can be contracted without giving up ownership. One of the problems with Iraq is that the CPA effectively took the oil revenues from Iraq. That money could have been used to contract for development. FYI the pattern of ationalization is like this:

1971
Algeria
Venezuela (planned)
Libya (BP concession)

1972
OPEC (25 percent government ownership of all Western oil interests operating within Kuwait, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia)
Iraq (BP, Royal Dutch-Shell, Compagnie Francaise des Petroles, Mobil/SONJ)

1973
Iran and Consortium
Libya (Bunker Hunt)
Venezuela (completed)

1976
Kuwait

What surprized me is that Venezuela's oil was nationalized so many years ago. How did it get un-nationalized?



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:30 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Now that enough info has floated around RWED for the relationship to be effectively explained..

Try reading up on Operation Ajax, and the resultant fallout.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

This is a BIG piece of why...
A - Iraqis trust Muslim fanatics.
B - Why those fanatics despise us.

The long and short of it is, hate them as you wish, hell hate them for what they DO, sure, but understand that most middle easterners remember them as being the only thing that stopped foreign oil companies from sucking their entire countries dry while sticking them with a tyrant (The Shah) that made Saddam look like a damn choir boy.

You think they've forgotten it ?
Like hell.

Of *course* they're going to place their bet, and their faith, in the only folks that ever managed to beat down and ran off the rapacious corporations.

Not sayin I like em, not sayin their decent folk, but pointing a damned obvious point of history most americans have long forgotten, because at this point of things, it's extremely relevant.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:34 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer- Development can be contracted without giving up ownership.



Looking at the agreement it seems more like contracting someone to extract the oil, rather than giving up ownership.

http://www.box.net/public/ehdzt13d71

The Deepblade blog does go through a torturous line of what-ifs to make it seem so, but you have to assume that the Iraqi government is massively naive.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I see the Tokyo Rosie O Brigade is out in full force again today slinging their usual vile bullshit.

SE, if all you can do is sling the crap, and not discuss exactly WHY you despise truthful discussions concerning conspiracies staring us right in the face, then why even frequent the RWED? Just stay on the entertainment side where you're much more pleasant.
Would you have been a good Nazi? A righteous slave-owner? An Operative with the Alliance? What makes you think those in power are EVER thinking about the good of the people? Bush is no devil- but he's far from a saint, as well.
He's in it for the power and glory, just like most before him. Some have tried to do the right thing- that got them killed or discredited. Power corrupts, and the sooner you come to terms with this reality, the better for your realistic interpretation of modern history.

Until then...

Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:57 AM

SHINYED


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Until then...


go fuck thyself

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:28 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Until then...


go fuck thyself




Nice to see your useing your particular brand of witty discourse in all of your conversations....

Or, should I say:

Holy crap! What a fuck-tard.

Yep, that second one seems to be more on your level.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Chris, Story- When someone resorts to impotent name-calling I look at it as a form of validation.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:58 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Nice to see your useing your particular brand of witty discourse in all of your conversations....
Or, should I say:
Holy crap! What a fuck-tard.
Yep, that second one seems to be more on your level.


Just curious Mark, do you personally have anything to add to any discussion in RWED besides Ad hominems?

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:05 AM

RUE

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It's weird - Kaneman's writings get compared to Cho's and Kaneman disappears - but then ShinyEd shows up with the same spew.

Cho was picked on in junior high and high school. I'm guessing the sock puppets had the same life history as Cho.

Isn't it about time to get a life? Or will you be trapped in junior high till you die?

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:06 AM

DAYVE




aw, shit---grow up people

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:08 AM

RUE

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One can only hope.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:10 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Just curious Mark, do you personally have anything to add to any discussion in RWED besides Ad hominems?

Do you?



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:16 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Just curious Mark, do you personally have anything to add to any discussion in RWED besides Ad hominems?

Do you?


I forgot, it's okay for StoryMark because his politics are more in line with yours, carry on than.

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:30 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I forgot, it's okay for StoryMark because his politics are more in line with yours, carry on than.

No, you got it all backward, it's okay for Shinyed because his are more inline with yours.

Oh and you because you consider yourself better than everyone else.



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyEd:

go f**k thyself



I put so much more into my post to you...

I actually kind of like ya, dude, you just need some perspective IMHO.

And laugh more, I put a there...Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:45 AM

SHINYED


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
if all you can do is sling the crap, and not discuss exactly WHY you despise truthful discussions..



"truthful discussions"...ala Rue et al ?...

"Cheney : for the oil "
"Bush : for personal reasons"

Oh I surely see the TRUTH in that...their demented, dishonest truth...

Saying fuck you is a lot faster, and you drew first "fuck you" blood here, not me.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:47 AM

WHODIED


Don't bite, Storymark.

ShinyEd, Kaneman, and Bigdamnnobody (to name a few) are all the same person. This person creates "NPC's" to generate the illusion of validation.

It's likely that a couple of our less vitrolic FFF posters are also masks for this person: a youngish, white male who lacks the will or capacity to seek human contact, perhaps due to extreme obesity or physical debilitation.

However, his anger, born of his condition, can never be controlled long enough to maintain the pretence of rationality, thus petulance and name-calling are the only recourse.

Once his cursory supply of copy/paste data is exausted, he reverts to his primary characteristic: impotent rage.

He is likely no more at fault than Old Yeller.



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:22 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by WhoDied:
Don't bite, Storymark.
ShinyEd, Kaneman, and Bigdamnnobody (to name a few) are all the same person. This person creates "NPC's" to generate the illusion of validation.


Well I can't speak for the other's you named but you a wrong about me.
Quote:


Originally posted by WhoDied:
It's likely that a couple of our less vitrolic FFF posters are also masks for this person: a youngish, white male who lacks the will or capacity to seek human contact, perhaps due to extreme obesity or physical debilitation.
However, his anger, born of his condition, can never be controlled long enough to maintain the pretence of rationality, thus petulance and name-calling are the only recourse.
Once his cursory supply of copy/paste data is exausted, he reverts to his primary characteristic: impotent rage.
He is likely no more at fault than Old Yeller.


Well you are certainley entitled to your opinion, wrong and disciminatory as it is IMHO.



Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The problem with you all is that you're so easily distracted. Ya gotta keep your eye on the money... or in this case, the oil. I'm sure you don't recall, but I've been tracking this since 2004 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=66094 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=6652 just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Hark! I just heard a "thunk"!

No wonder al Sadr's folks just left the Cabinet. Their lock on southern oil just went ppffffttt! Now, the civil war begins in earnest.




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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:26 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:


Originally posted by citizen:
No, you got it all backward, it's okay for Shinyed because his are more inline with yours.


You seem to be equating an anti-Citizen post as being a pro-ShinyEd post which clearly it is not.

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:34 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
You seem to be equating an anti-Citizen post as being a pro-ShinyEd post which clearly it is not.

Posting to stir stuff up.

Sure why not, you were equating an Anti-BDN post as a pro StoryMark when clearly it was not, but I guess it's okay todo stuff like that, but only if you are doing it right.



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I love the smell of uncontrollable Bush-hatred in the morning.

It was you who drew first blood (I love saying that), not me.
And when I said it, it was for the funny.
And if you can't or won't see the connection between big business, oil, and our government, then all I can say is - remember to vote for Unification.

I got words Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:42 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Interesting. I'm glad somebody smarter 'n me is looking at this.
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The problem with you all is that you're so easily distracted. Ya gotta keep your eye on the money... or in this case, the oil. I'm sure you don't recall, but I've been tracking this since 2004 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=66094 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=6652 just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Hark! I just heard a "thunk"!

No wonder al Sadr's folks just left the Cabinet. Their lock on southern oil just went ppffffttt! Now, the civil war begins in earnest.
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:43 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:


Originally posted by citizen:
Sure why not, you were equating an Anti-BDN post as a pro StoryMark when clearly it was not, but I guess it's okay todo stuff like that, but only if you are doing it right.


Rue called, she needs those rose colored lenses back.
As far as I can tell, StoryMark only ever posts to denigrate right leaning posters. When a right leaning poster denigrates someone more left leaning, you are quick to defend. Now do you see the hypocrisy?

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:48 AM

KANEMAN


Great maybe now the price of gas will go done...Is that a bad thing? Seems like it from your tone.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Ya gotta keep your eye on the money... or in this case, the oil. I'm sure you don't recall, but I've been tracking this since 2004 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=66094 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=6652 just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Hark! I just heard a "thunk"!


*in his best 'George McFly'*
Welll, you're right..you're riiiiight....

Chrisisall, back from the future

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:01 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:48 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
As far as I can tell, StoryMark only ever posts to denigrate right leaning posters.



Not to denigrate them - I just point it out when they set off my bullshit detector.

Okay... I'll admit, I have no problem denigrating Kaneman.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:00 AM

DAYVE



whoa, we're tagging people now?? i'd better get my license renewed..

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:04 AM

WHODIED


Signym, Do you think this is related to the troop deployment time limits being increased to 15 months?

ETA: refering to al sadr and civil war?

P.S. As per the offensive tags and their respective IP addresses, I retract my statement concerning the identities of Kaneman and ShinyEd, and appologize to BigDamnNobody.

Cheers to an on-subject thread!



--WhoDied


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Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:10 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Rue called, she needs those rose colored lenses back.

You're wearing them. You stole them and won't give them back remember?
Quote:

As far as I can tell, StoryMark only ever posts to denigrate right leaning posters.
He does it a hell of a lot less than you, and only to Kaneman and Shinyed, who are, as we can see, flagged offensive. People you defend. Why do you defened offensive posters and attack others BDN?
Quote:

When a right leaning poster denigrates someone more left leaning, you are quick to defend. Now do you see the hypocrisy?
It's right here when you're accusing me of something you openly do and reveal in yourself . I spend most of my posts not getting into fights, you spend most of your posts starting them. I'm sure that says something.



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:24 AM

DAYVE


Just saw this – it seems our fine politicians are now making up cute little songs before massacring indiscriminately

“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,”

McCain visits Murrells Inlet
By Scott Harper

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18230309&BRD=2081&PAG=461&de
pt_id=385210&rfi=6


Quote:

….Another man — wondering if an attack on Iran is in the works — wanted to know when America is going to “send an air mail message to Tehran.”
McCain began his answer by changing the words to a popular Beach Boys song.
“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,” he sang to the tune of Barbara Ann. “Iran is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. That alone should concern us but now they are trying for nuclear capabilities. I totally support the President when he says we will not allow Iran to destroy Israel.”
He stopped short of answering the actual question and did not say if he supports an invasion of Iran.



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Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:59 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quote:

Gates Says There Are Limits to U.S. Patience in Iraq
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 4:51 PM ET
Robert Gates carried an unmistakable message intended to stir the Iraqi government to act against sectarian strife.

And if Iraq doesn't 'freely' comply with US wishes what will the US do then?

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:27 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The problem with you all is that you're so easily distracted. Ya gotta keep your eye on the money... or in this case, the oil. I'm sure you don't recall, but I've been tracking this since 2004 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=66094 www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=6652 just waiting for the other shoe to drop.



And this has what to do with the current Iraqi Oil Law? The CPA has been gone since June 28, 2004, and the current Iraqi Constitution, replacing the interum one structured by a CPA-named body, was approved in October 2005.

Still can't find anything in the Iraqi Oil Law which gives up any control of Iraq's oil to anybody but Iraq. They still need investment to get the oil out of the ground and to market, and that's what the Oil Law is about.

Maybe you should try reading it instead of repeating bloggers and two-year-old threads. If you can find something to discuss then, please do so.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:32 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by rue:
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Gates Says There Are Limits to U.S. Patience in Iraq
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 4:51 PM ET
Robert Gates carried an unmistakable message intended to stir the Iraqi government to act against sectarian strife.

And if Iraq doesn't 'freely' comply with US wishes what will the US do then?



We leave. Won't that make you happy?

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:15 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


I was just thinking the fact that Gates said, at length, how 'frustrated' the US was with Iraq was rather pointless. The US could leave - but with most Iraqis that would be a promise rather than a threat. Or the US could do - what? Send more troops? Not likely. I just wonder why Gates even bothered.

"You just wait. Some day you'll be sorry. But then it'll be too late. Don't come crying to me then. I'll just say 'I told you so.' ..." blah blah BLAH blah blah blah

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:50 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Dayve:
Just saw this – it seems our fine politicians are now making up cute little songs before massacring indiscriminately

“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,”

McCain visits Murrells Inlet
By Scott Harper

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18230309&BRD=2081&PAG=461&de
pt_id=385210&rfi=6


Quote:

….Another man — wondering if an attack on Iran is in the works — wanted to know when America is going to “send an air mail message to Tehran.”
McCain began his answer by changing the words to a popular Beach Boys song.
“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,” he sang to the tune of Barbara Ann. “Iran is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. That alone should concern us but now they are trying for nuclear capabilities. I totally support the President when he says we will not allow Iran to destroy Israel.”
He stopped short of answering the actual question and did not say if he supports an invasion of Iran.






I can believe I used to like that guy. Back in 2000, I probably would have voted for him, if he'd won the GOP nomination.

But now? No way. No way in hell.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Whodied- I'm sure there's a LOT going on behind the scenes and it has nothing to do with what we're being told.

Cheney prolly wants to deal with a centralized government, because it's far easier to negotiate with a puppet than with two independent provinces who have China, Europe, and even Russia as potential customers. Once a deal is inked it has to be honored - even if the government is a dicatatorship, and even if it's overthrown immediately after signing. (That's one of the many ways that governments are disadvantaged with respect to multinationals and banks.)

I just can't imagine how the oil is going to be extracted and shipped even if a contract is signed. The probable signatory (the central government) can't guarantee security of the oil fields or pipelines, both of which are very vulnerable to sabotage. Perhaps Cheney envisions using oil revenues to bring in a massive contingent of private security forces (Blackwater, etc.) Anoterh option is to make sure that the right (militia) people get a piece of the pie.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:02 PM

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The non-stop 16-year-so-far Iraq Wars, which genocided 2.5-million Iraqis and killed over 100,000 US troops, so far. The war is scheduled to last 100 years, according to a draft-dodging drunk dick named Dick. Murtha and others in Congress, from both parties, say the only way to give the Bush Gang their "surge" is to draft everybody. Active duty, reserves, "national" state guard, and 75-year-old retired soldiers with terminal cancer are already drafted into the Iraq Wars, through "stop loss" slave contracts. So you sodomite Bush lovers will get to do the dufflebag drag. Hoo ra!

Kuwait is a kingdom, not a democratic republic. Kuwait also has legalized slavery, including African slaves. So black-skinned US soldiers were killing and dying so that Arab kings could own black slaves.

The purpose of this illegal war is to keep oil profits high, which means keeping gas prices high, by cutting off the oil supply. Economics 101: supply and demand. All Iraq wanted to do was sell USA cheap oil. But the Bush Gang spent trillions of taxdollars (ie private Federal Reserve Debt loans from Communist China) to raise the price of oil. Communist china even gets to drill for oil of the coast of USA, but US oil companies are banned.

If US soldiers wanted to defend USA, they would leave Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran, and sit on the US border, shooting every wetback in the head, and raiding every house in USA with illegal aliens, and enforcing martial law to arrest every mayor and city councillor in Sancutary Cities, and arrest every governor and state legislator and state cop who sells driver licenses to illegal aliens. One major purose of the British Empire's Gulf Wars is to get US combat soldiers out of USA, in order to overthrow USA.

So USA needs to nuke London NOW, nuke Canada NOW, nuke Mexico City NOW, kick Communist China (British Hong Kong) out of USA NOW. And cut the head off the German queen of England (Bush Jr's 19th cousin, 3rd removed).

Gotta go. Red Dawn is on TeeVee right now.


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Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:13 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hey, SignyM

Afghanistan's pipeline, stalled out b/c of Taliban in S Afghanistan.

From WIKI, which is confirmed by everything else I've read:
"The new deal on the pipeline was signed on 27 December 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan and in 2005 Asian Development Bank submitted the final version of feasibility study designed by British company Penspen. Signing the agreement was made possible by the invasion of Afghanistan by United States military forces a year prior, which overthrew the Taliban government controlling most of Afghanistan. Building the pipeline was cited by some critics of the Bush administration as a motivation for the invasion. Some people have even said that if you take a map of U.S. military bases in Afghanistan and a map of the proposed pipeline they are very close together, suggesting that bases are positioned to protect natural gas interests. However, since then the project has essentially stalled; construction of the Turkmen part was supposed to start in 2006, but the overall feasibility is questionable since the southern part of the Afghan section runs through territory which continues to be under de facto Taliban control."

Maybe US permanent bases in Iraq ??

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