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American will need passports for Federal Parks

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, August 20, 2007 20:08
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Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When the concept of RealID was floated, people were certain that their states would protect them from some sort of national ID system. Not anymore. Big Brother is HERE and he's dancin' with Kafka.

(CNN) -- Americans may need passports to board domestic flights or to picnic in a national park next year
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if they live in one of the states defying the federal Real ID Act. The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill, aims to weave driver's licenses and state ID cards into a sort of national identification system by May 2008. The law sets baseline criteria for how driver's licenses will be issued and what information they must contain. ... More than half the nation's state legislatures have passed or proposed legislation denouncing the plan and some have penned bills expressly forbidding compliance.

Several states have begun making arrangements for the new requirements -- four have passed legislation applauding the measure -- but even they may have trouble meeting the act's deadline. The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don't comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.


www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/index.html

At the time, National ID seemed farfetched. There's another ID system in the works: the microchip. It seems farfetched NOW to think that this chip will become a required feature, but how many people would refuse it if it was required for hospital ER visits?

Pentagon to Implant Chips in Soldiers' Bodies
Posted Jul 31st 2007
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We knew it was only a matter of time before the government started trying to track us by implanting computer chips in our bodies. And where do you start highly suspicious, Big Brother-esque projects like this? The Pentagon and our Armed forces, of course. Scarily enough, we're not talking about some conspiracy theory, or some black ops experiment -- this is for real, and the Pentagon has already awarded the first contract. It's a $1.6 million contract, to be exact, and it's with Clemson University's Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B). The mandate? To develop the chip that the armed forces hope will save lives by giving them instant access to, and constant tracking of, soldiers' vital medical signs and data on the battlefield.
www.switched.com/2007/07/31/pentagon-to-implant-chips-in-soldiers-bodi
es
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And it's not in the future, it's happening NOW

Chips with Medical Records to be Implanted in 280 Patients July 2006
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NEW YORK (AP)-In a new test program, Horizon Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Jersey plans to implant patients suffering from chronic diseases with a microchip that will give emergency room staff access to their medical information and help avoid costly or serious medical errors, the insurer said on Friday. Horizon plans to announce on Monday that it is teaming up with Hackensack University Medical Center in a pilot program where 280 patients regularly treated at the hospital will be implanted with a chip containing a code.
www.livescience.com/health/060715_ap_chip_implants.html

leave it to the governmetn and corporations to "protect" us in cheapest, most intrusive way possible.


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Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:54 AM

LEADB


So... am I the only one this 'Real ID' act was a 'surprise' to?

A couple years ago, I went into the Rocky Mountain national part while on a business trip. Didn't think anything about them asking to see my driver's license on the way in. Never considered the question... should a pedestrian wish to enter the national park, could they be denied entrance simply because they didn't have a drivers' license? This is getting creepy.

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:33 PM

ANTIMASON


yeah, they need to get us chipped for the N. American Union implementation. that way, when a middle eastern terrorist makes it across the NAFTA highway, by process of elimination, we'll know who he isnt! oorrr... we can just broaden the definition of terrorist(which we have), and voila! we can begin tracking and prosecuting '"domestic" enemy combatants'!

its genius.. i mean purely 'coincidental' and not at all deliberate, but genius

you republicans out there(and democrats alike) need to wake up! this is global government we're headed towards

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA


"Your papers, please, citizen!"

Welcome to Checkpoint Charlie.

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Monday, August 20, 2007 4:17 AM

KANEMAN


This real ID is a joke. Already many states have passed, or are in the process of passing, resolutions of non- compliance. They say so many people will not get one. What will the government do when the airlines start complaining about losses due to people not being allowed to get on their flights? Who wants to go into a federal building any way....I can hear it already...."Well your honor I was going to pay my taxes, but I couldn't get any paperwork to do so"

decent site on the issue.

http://www.realnightmare.org/

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Monday, August 20, 2007 4:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by leadb:
So... am I the only one this 'Real ID' act was a 'surprise' to?

A couple years ago, I went into the Rocky Mountain national part while on a business trip. Didn't think anything about them asking to see my driver's license on the way in. Never considered the question... should a pedestrian wish to enter the national park, could they be denied entrance simply because they didn't have a drivers' license? This is getting creepy.



Apparently, the ID check at national parks started after tourists, many foreign, began buying an annual permit, using it for their two week vacation, and then passing it on to someone else, who'd pass it on again, etc. The park service was losing a bunch of revenue, so they started checking the signature on the back of the permit against some sort of official ID.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, August 20, 2007 11:07 AM

LEADB


... so I sent a question basically asking what identification I would need to enter a park; I specifically addressed it to the Abraham Lincoln Birthplace park (dumb luck, that's where I happened to land when I was looking for a place to send an inquiry. Here's the question...

Greetings, A group of folks are planning on biking to various sites on our
vacation. In general, does one need identification to enter a national park
area, and if so, what identification should we be sure to have with us?
What about minors? Thanks,
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Thank you for your inquiry.

The only time we ask for identification at Abraham Lincoln Birthplace
National Historic Site is when you write a check for purchases made in the
bookstore or if you purchase an America the Beautiful Pass. If you plan to
camp at parks with campgrounds, you will need identification but not to
just to merely enter the park. Law enforcement personnel may also ask for
identification while you are in the park. The type of identification
would be what you normally use in other situations (driver's license or
passport/picture identification). If you know specifically which parks you
plan to visit, please check with each one individually. Minors must be
accompanied by an adult at all times.


It sounds like if I plan to pay cash, and not get an America the Beautiful pass, I would not need ID. And yes, when I was asked (previous post) for an ID it was when I was using an America the Beautiful pass.

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Monday, August 20, 2007 11:55 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Capt. Vasili Borodin: I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
Captain Ramius: I suppose.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: No papers?
Captain Ramius: No papers, state to state.
From: Hunt for Red October

I guess maybe people won't want to defect to this country so much any more if things keep going this way. There's one way to discourage immigration: make our country as crappy as theirs.


On a completely tangential note, I just gave birth to our third child, whose middle name is Nathan. Can you say fanboy? Of course, no one else will be any wiser, except for folks on this board.


Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Aude sapere (Dare to know). -- Samuel Hahnemann, M.D.

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Monday, August 20, 2007 3:03 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
On a completely tangential note, I just gave birth to our third child, whose middle name is Nathan. Can you say fanboy? Of course, no one else will be any wiser, except for folks on this board.


Congratulations!!

And excellent choice on the middle name.

Our beautiful baby girl was born on the 3rd (first child for both of us).

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Monday, August 20, 2007 3:12 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Our beautiful baby girl was born on the 3rd (first child for both of us).

Congratulations!!! Hug your new boss for me.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Aude sapere (Dare to know). -- Samuel Hahnemann, M.D.

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Monday, August 20, 2007 4:23 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Our beautiful baby girl was born on the 3rd (first child for both of us).



Lucky man. I envy you your next 21 years of pain. Wish I had one, for my sins.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, August 20, 2007 8:08 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Thanks, Geezer.

And, CTS, done!

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