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Shake 'n bake

POSTED BY: RUE
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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:40 AM

RUE

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Here in So Cal ...

YEEE HAAAA !!!!!!

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:42 AM

SIGNYM

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Ah, we posted almost at the same time. www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=30383


Be still, my beating heart... But not TOO still!

4.7 near El Cerrito.

Event 10275733: ZIP Map
http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/ca/STORE/X10275733/ciim_display.html



Hey- BTW what YOU doin' at work? It's a SUNDAY, man! Are you being a dedicated government employee?

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:46 AM

RUE

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I must be one of the few people who generally likes these things ... even the fairly rough ones. But this was just a little rocking here.

Pretty dedicated.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:52 AM

SIGNYM

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You're crazy!
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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:55 AM

RUE

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Is it about the earthquake ? Or being at work on a holiday weekend ? Or both ?

BTW I just read A Bomb Built In Hell so I'm a bit rough.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:56 AM

SIGNYM

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Both ways. (1) For liking earthquakes and (2) for being at work. But then... I am too. Putting in some freebie time. So I'm only crazy one way. Nyah nyah.
Anyway, 'nuff chitchat. Gotta clean up the mess on this report so I can go home.

Have a good one!
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Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:02 AM

RUE

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Well, that's why when it comes to work I use the word dedicated instead of committed !

When it comes to earthquakes - I feel the same way about them as I do tornadoes, bad storms, and such. If had I known back then there was such a thing as storm chasers .... my dream job.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:05 AM

SIGNYM

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The difference between storms and earthquakes? You have to chase the storms. The earthquakes'll come and get you!

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:11 AM

RUE

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What can I say ... I have family I love with all my heart and I would never want them hurt or in danger ... or anyone hurt or in danger ... yet I do like those earthquakes. :Gaellic shrugs shoulders: Who can explain ?

And yes - back to the desk for me as well !!

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:52 AM

PLATONIST


Whew! That was a close one guys, 20 miles from the epi, at a 4.7 ... we were standing in the door frames and the animals were dead in their tracks.

Not so much fun today, though... but living on the big crack here in SoCal, leaves us no choice but to have us a good old fashion Labor Day weekend "bake 'n shake bar-be-que."

Honey pick up some ice, we got company!

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:12 AM

SIGNYM

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I had just enuf time to look for cover and then it was over. 'Cept for something that kept swinging and creaking. Must have been pretty intense for you guys.
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Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:18 AM

RUE

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How many people do you think know about stocking up on ice ? I haven't heard many mention it, but maybe it's just one of those things everyone knows.

I've figured out the perfect place for a subset of earthquake supplies - my car. B/c generally, where I am, so is my car. Where do you keep yours ?


Oh - and have a good bbq ! I hope the earth doesn't do too much jittering and twitching. That can be distracting from a fun time.

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For me it was a slight sideways jolt, a couple of small rocks and ... nothing.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 11:12 AM

SIGNYM

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Hey Rue- You get your evil perversions satisfied! Check out the thunderheads over the San Gabriels. They're a little blown out now, but still look to top 20,000 ft.
Quote:

FLASH FLOOD WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OXNARD CA 130 PM PDT SUN SEP 2 2007 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN OXNARD HAS ISSUED A FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR... EAST CENTRAL LOS ANGELES COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA...THIS INCLUDES MOUNT BALDY...SAN ANTONIO MOUNTAIN... AND BIG PINES AREA UNTIL 315 PM PDT. AT 120 PM PDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED AN AREA OF DEVELOPING THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE EASTERN SAN GABRIEL RANGE....* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO MOUNT BALDY... MOUNT SAN ANTONIO...AND THE BIG PINES AREA.
No shit, Sherlock. Didn't need a Doppler to tell me that!

BTW I'm home now. Watering my crispy yard and listening to SCE turn my AC on and off. (Got one of those remote-control units. How's THAT for bending over for "the man"?!)

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 11:21 AM

RUE

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Looks wistfully at clouds - where's the storm ??? And the attendent cool-down would be really nice too.

One day - I'm gonna have a full roof thin film PV system, live in a refrigerated house and laugh at the man !



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Sunday, September 2, 2007 1:23 PM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The difference between storms and earthquakes? You have to chase the storms. The earthquakes'll come and get you.

Awww man! You guys have all the fun, up here in Sacramento we don't have any active faultlines at all....it sucks. But I did get to experience Loma Prieta in san jose, 6.9! And the 7.0 in Seattle in 2001, that was a hoot. And you're right about those storms compared to quakes, but if there is a tornado attached to the storm?......I mean.....at least a quake doesn't hurl mobile homes into the next county.

Have fun!, hope you have some pleasant aftershocks

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Monday, September 3, 2007 5:32 AM

SIGNYM

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Meh. AFTERSHOCK! 0832.

Earthquakes??? You can have my share!

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Monday, September 3, 2007 5:41 AM

SIGNYM

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Umm... no, not aftershock. New event, further north along the fault line and closer to where I am right now. 3.2 Yorba Linda.

http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/ca/STORE/X10275993/ciim_display.html

Last time noticeable earthquakes crept along a fault line like this, there was a doozy at the end of the sequence. I'm going to make a wild prediction: another quake within two weeks, but along the Newport- Long Beach -Inglewood fault.


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Monday, September 3, 2007 7:48 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Eartquakes are fun when they're small....but like any inclement phenomenon, it stops being fun when it tries to kill you. Like Tornados Hurricanes etc...

In the Loma Prieta quake, the first thing I did was run outside, I saw all the cars on the street jiggling on thier tires like jello. Then water started pouring over my feet like a little river. The damn quake had shaken 3 feet of water out of my neighbor's pool. That was a not fun quake

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Monday, September 3, 2007 7:58 AM

SIGNYM

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When I first moved here I thought they were fun. The fun kinda went out with the Northridge quake... I have never felt so many different kinds of motion from a quake before! Side to side... up and down... bucking and hopping and vibrating and circling and rolling ... and it went on and on and on until I thought our place as going to come down around our ears. By contrast, the Landers quake... which was much bigger but farther away... rocked us back and forth rhythmically.

Things have been quiet for a REAL LONG time. Too long.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 11:19 AM

RUE

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My first BIG quake was at work a mile off the epicenter of the Whittier Narrows quake (5.9 - 6.1). And being somewhat naive I was just looking around at everyone else wondering - do I panic now or do you just go through this every few years ?

My next big one was the Hector Mine one (7.1 - people used to call it the Landers/ BigBear quake) which had the floor bucking, skittering, swinging, shivering, and I was worried about the windows shattering under force and the house coming off the foundations.

But I think what scares people the most isn't that the quake itself is so bad (unless of course it is really bad and structures are coming down around you) but the idea that it could be a foreshock and there's worse to come.

One of the good things about earthquakes is that unless you're really unlucky and you're close to the epicenter, if you're any distance away it may be damaging but will probably not be any more dangerous than a wild ride. And since the So Cal area is so large, your particular chances of being in a danger zone are fairly small.


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Monday, September 3, 2007 11:53 AM

RUE

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"Last time noticeable earthquakes crept along a fault line like this, there was a doozy at the end of the sequence. I'm going to make a wild prediction: another quake within two weeks, but along the Long Beach -Inglewood fault."

Yeah, that happened with a series of quakes along the San Gabriels some years ago. It was like slow march of transferring pressure - one point would give and the pressure would be transferred to the next point which would give ...

... but then, there's this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070819085711.htm

San Andreas Fault Likely Much More Destructive Than Current Models Predict

High-speed ruptures traveling along straight fault lines could explain why some earthquakes are more destructive than others, according to an Oxford University scientist. In this week’s Science, Professor Shamita Das suggests that ruptures in the Earth’s surface moving at 6km per second could make future earthquakes along California’s San Andreas fault much more destructive than current models predict.

... the long straight portions of the fault enabled ruptures to travel twice as fast as the original ‘shear’ wave traveling through the rock. Such ‘super-shear’ waves were once thought to be impossible but could now explain why similar magnitudes of earthquake can cause much greater devastation in some areas than others.

... in which case, the epicenter is miles long.



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Monday, September 3, 2007 12:26 PM

PLATONIST


You remember Whittier? And I thought I was old.

I was student teaching at Whittier Elementary when that morning quake hit. The whole side wall of that brick building came down. Luckily the kids had a late start, and there were just a few earlier arrivals. So they were spared.

But the staff will never forget.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 12:32 PM

WYTCHCROFT


weird this thread popped up just as i was watching an old 'planet of the apes' show - about an EARTHQUAKE!

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Monday, September 3, 2007 12:41 PM

PLATONIST


and I was thinking about you too, wytchcroft.

Plant of the Apes? a show?

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Monday, September 3, 2007 12:45 PM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by Platonist:

Plant of the Apes? a show?



you better believe it - pre-galactica cheese fest with oddly atmospheric interludes and strong moralising.
well, except for when the dialog goes
-thud!-
"oof! well that's one gorilla that won't be signalling for a while!"
"Yeah!"

exits thread before OT backlash.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 12:57 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Gee, the things I miss in Michigan. All we get around here are the occasional tornado and snow drifts up to our ears. Course, in my area, we haven't had winters like that in a good long while. Go up north though, and you have to start digging tunnels to get out of your house.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 2:23 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, when "the big one" hits LA I'll no longer be able to point and laugh at the folks who chose to live in New Orleans.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 5:43 AM

RUE

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With any luck it'll take down my house (which the city considers a 'historic landmark' - I call it a remnant) so I can put up a universal access/ lead free/ zero energy home.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:03 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


We had an earthquake in Memphis a few years back – the only earthquake I’ve ever been in. It was barely perceptible and lasted only a few seconds, but I felt it. We all laughed about it at the time. But Memphis isn't known for its earthquakes, which likely will make it the next New Orleans – or worse because even New Orleans knew. If it is anything like the 1812 New Madrid earthquake, the ground will turn to liquid and whole buildings will be swallowed, the course of the Mississippi will change, whole lakes will form where dry land once was – basically the worst parts of Bible.

And it will be felt as far north as Boston and Michigan. Fun days!!



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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:22 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Yep, the New Madrid fault....prime example of what happens when you don't let off steam as often as you should, if you were a fault of course.

It's the Alaskan faults that make the big quakes, Anchorage 1960something 9.0! Thats what you New Madriders have to look forward to. Those kind of quakes really do swallow houses and change the altitude of where your town is. Thankfully New Madrid is very infrequent compared to Pacific Rim quakes, hope it doesn't happen in your lifetime Finn. Do they have earthquake insurance out there?

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:45 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Yep, the New Madrid fault....prime example of what happens when you don't let off steam as often as you should, if you were a fault of course.

It's the Alaskan faults that make the big quakes, Anchorage 1960something 9.0! Thats what you New Madriders have to look forward to. Those kind of quakes really do swallow houses and change the altitude of where your town is. Thankfully New Madrid is very infrequent compared to Pacific Rim quakes, hope it doesn't happen in your lifetime Finn. Do they have earthquake insurance out there?

No, of course not. I’m just going to hope it kills me, so I don’t have to worry about it.

Some experts think that there is a 90% chance that it will happen before 2040.



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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:02 AM

RUE

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Seattle on north is a subduction zone which causes infrequent catastrophic earthquakes.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And it will be felt as far north as Boston and Michigan. Fun days!!



Michigan? Well, phooey.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 10:15 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And it will be felt as far north as Boston and Michigan. Fun days!!



Michigan? Well, phooey.

Don't worry. Michigan is pretty far from the epicenter. You guys probably won't lose any cities. Whole one's anyway.

Michigan's pretty isolated from the New Madrid fault and the San Andreas Fault. Yellowstone however, that's a whole other story.



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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 12:21 PM

SICKDUDE


Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
And you're right about those storms compared to quakes, but if there is a tornado attached to the storm?......I mean.....at least a quake doesn't hurl mobile homes into the next county.


I always get a kick out of this. It's been my experience that folks generally are okay with their own local disaster, but are not-so-fine with the disaster they don't go through much.

Here in the midwest, I don't mind tornadoes. They level a house, but only one in a million. They're kind of a "lottery of destruction". Earthquakes scare the bejeebers out of me, though. Everyone shares in the pain. A lot of people I know out here are like that, too. But it seems a lot of West Coasters are okay with earthquakes, but scared of tornadoes....

"Your gratuitous jello awaits." - Dr. Helen Magnus, Sanctuary

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 2:52 PM

RUE

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I just thought I'd post this about the New Madrid seismic zone -

http://www.hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/

Judging from their effects, they were of a magnitude of 8.0 or higher on the Richter Scale.


http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/SEISMICITY/NewMadridGeneral.h
tml


The New Madrid Seismic zone lies within the central Mississippi Valley, extending from northeast Arkansas, through southeast Missouri, western Tennessee, western Kentucky to southern Illinois. (120 miles long)


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070322105814.htm

Deep-diving West Coast Plate May Have Triggered Massive Central U.S. Quake

They find that remnants of the ancient Farallon plate, a slab of crust swallowed beneath the western North American continental margin nearly 70 million years ago, continue to descend into the deep mantle under central North America.

The descent induces mantle flow towards the Earth’s deep interior directly below the New Madrid seismic zone. That flow, in turn, may strain the overlying crust, causing seismic ruptures, the authors hypothesize. Their results may shed light on present-day seismic hazards in the central Mississippi River Valley.


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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:20 AM

RUE

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THAT was the shaking.

And now for the baking.



And as far as I'm concerned, people should be able to get 1 (count 'em) ! federal disaster relief bailout in their lifetime. Whether for floods, earthquakes, fires, hill-side collapses, tornadoes, hurricanes - whatever nature can do. You get one.

If you don't want to lose that nice multi-million dollar home, maybe you won't be so eager to rebuild in the same place.


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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:41 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



a few years ago, i considered moving out to SoCal - Ramona, in fact - just wondering... is it still there?

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:49 AM

RUE

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Two searchable quotes:

RAMONA, California (CNN) -- Residents of about 10000 homes northeast of San Diego were ordered Monday to flee an out-of-control wildfire, one of several ...

The Witch Fire, which started outside of Ramona, California, has forced over 300,00 to evacuate in what is being called San Diego's worst fire ever. ...


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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:53 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



maybe i'll just stay here on the third coast -

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

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Well, I see my prediction of an Newport-Inglewood fault earthquake thankfully didn't come true. (I'd forgotten about that one!)

Yesterday the smoke was so pervasive that the whole sky was covered, and I got ashfall at work and at home (about 25 miles apart). Today looks quite a bit better. Hopefully the wind will do a 180 today and drive the flames back over burned ground.

Hey Rue, remember the Curve and Williams fires? How we could see the fireline advancing, the smoke/ steam cloud topping 25,000 feet into a giant thunderhead? The fire flaring each time it ate a tree? And then, the wind reversed and suddenly the fire was ... gone.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:31 PM

RUE

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Yeah, I do. I (ahem) went to be a lookiloo. (Considering the fires were as close as a mile away I didn't have to go too far.)

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