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UF student tased at John Kerry speech

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:19 AM

AURAPTOR

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Kerry watches on as innocent man is TORTURED! Well, that's the sort of headline we'd expect, if it was Bush or some other GOP/Conservative giving the speech and a student was treated that way.


I think the kid had it comin' to him, personally. Y'all watch and decide for yourself.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:11 AM

RIGHTEOUS9


yeah, very grey area.

Haven't made up my mind. where I get my news somebody had been there and made his own video. He said the kid had already been chased by the cops trying to get in to ask a question, so I guess he wasn't supposed to be there, whatever the hell that means.

Kerry was hands off. He made a weak gesture to tell them to let him ask the question, but then deferred. Part of me screams, what the fuck is wrong with you Kerry! But part of me wonders if he deferred because he thought weighing in when he didn't neccesarily have all the facts was a bad call.

Still, nothing I like about the whole thing. And at the point of questioning the kid was agressive, but seemed to be no threat to anybody, and had not pushed to the point of disruptiveness to the q&a yet, as far as I can tell.

the cops intervened early, it would seem, to a fault.

Kerry went on to answer the quetion, which is a kind of bizarro split the baby way to handle it. Not taht I know what he should have done. I think I would have asked over the mic for somebody to come over when they get a chance and explain to me what just happened and why...heh, and then proceeded to answer the question.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:45 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think the kid had it comin' to him, personally. Y'all watch and decide for yourself.


I found the whole incident shocking. (Somebody had to say it.)

I note for the record that as a Prosecutor I appreciate the taser for what it is. Having an officer in the back of the room with his taser has often been very useful as a deterrent to keep unruly defendants in line.

And getting tased is no laughing matter. However, watching someone get tased is HI-larious.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I cannot imagine why anybody would ever appear to be a threat to Kerry. Since the guy has never really taken any firm positions on anything, why would anybody have a problem with him? What was his speech about.....voting against military spending perhaps? He doesn't ever vote to spend a dime for our military, so no surprise there...he'd rather vote to spend taxpayer money on whatever his big union donors tell him to...not that there's anything wrong with that, but Kerry is such a Senate blob, a transluscent piece of protoplasmic flotsom, it's really hard to grasp what the kid was tasered for.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:53 PM

AURAPTOR

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Did ya catch the kid's question about Kerry being part of a " secret society " ? Too gorram funny. He was a nutter, through and through, and was TRYING to be disagreeable, in hopes he'd make the news. It was an obvious stunt, " don't throw me in the briar patch! " routine.


Friggin whack job.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:03 PM

JRC


What a wuss!!! He's trying to *ask a question* (yea right. more like forcing his conspiracy ideas on everybody else in a public forum), then commences to get belligerent, then starts fighting with the cops, then starts yelping "HELP HELP", then starts crying like a little girl!! After being warned repeatedly by the woman officer too. The cops probably moved in on orders from a Kerry minion. Also, did you hear some other female nutjob in the background yelling, "police brutality!!" Puh-lease

Another conspiracy nut, this time trying to grill a Democrat, then HE gets "grilled"!!

Rule #1: Don't fight with the cops, ESPECIALLY when one of them is about 6'5'' and looks like he weighs around 250!!! He had it coming, IMNSHO.



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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:15 PM

TVCHICK


Yeah, I mean, I don't really understand why they tazed him because it seems like they had him on the ground. He may have been trying to fight them off, but there were enough officers that he wouldn't have been able to & would have exhausted himself trying. Then the handcuffing would be easy.

Then again, I've never been a security person in any way...

But yeah, it was a "Q&A," not a "Diatribe time." To quote the brilliant Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!"

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:30 PM

KANEMAN


I think anyone that goes to a Kerry rally should be tased....regardless if they are pro or con Kerry...fucking think about it......

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:19 PM

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1) Under the circumstances, a tazer was not warranted. Am I to believe that all of those officers couldn't find a better way to restrain one scrawney little college kid who probably spends all day playing WOW and trying to get his "secret society" blog posts on digg.com?

The tazer was meant to shut him up abruptly, and was not used because he posed any physical threat to himself, the audience or the police. (Which supposedly, is the only circumstance in which an officer is authorized to use one)

2) Tazers should be outlawed period. Law abiding citizens are not afraid of police because they can be reasonably sure that they will not be shot by police with a gun unless they are committing a SERIOUS crime, however, any cop can just shoot any civilian with a tazer on a whim.

The tazer is no more than a tool of fear.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:53 PM

JRC


I'm not sure how a taser works, but from the demonstrations I've seen, any person hit with a taser will immediately hit the ground, totally incapacitated. This guy gets zapped, and he lets out a few girly-yells. Maybe the cops can adjust the voltage on their tasers, and in this case, gave him just enough to "persuade" him to shut the hell up. Bottom line tho, the cops were called in by either Kerry's people or whoever was in charge of the festivities to get him away from the mic, he's still fighting the cops while he's on the ground, still resisting. Which means zap!!


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Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:08 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by TVChick:
Yeah, I mean, I don't really understand why they tazed him because it seems like they had him on the ground. He may have been trying to fight them off, but there were enough officers that he wouldn't have been able to & would have exhausted himself trying. Then the handcuffing would be easy.

My guess is that he wasn’t submitting, and officers don’t want to sit there on the floor holding some loon down all day until he finally passes out from sheer stupidity. And after that 50,000 volts passed through his butt, he realized the hard way that in the real world no one cares about his tantrums. It could have been worse. He could have been born 50 years earlier and pulled this stunt – then he would have gotten the snot beat out of him with batons.



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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:50 AM

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The censored questions:

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1. Why did you take a dive in the 2004 election, that you won, according to BBC's Greg Palast? (Kerry said he read Palast's book)

2. Why are you a member of Skull & Bones secret society with Bush Jr? (The Brotherhood of Death)

3. Why don't you Democrats impeach Jr Bush? (Doh!)



3 very simple questions that Kerry can NEVER answer. Hence his support for torture, waterboarding, rape, murder, summary execution and genocide, without trial, without counsel, without appeal, including for US citizens.

On CNN, a female student who was there pointed out that he could not ask his questions calmly, because assholes were assaulting him during his questions. She added that he was leaving the room when he was assaulted again, and he was Tasered after he was on the ground surrounded by 7 cops.

Smart tough kid, but lucky he didn't die by heart attack.

He will go down in history for the new catchphrase: "Don't Taze me bro!"

PS: Kid will win at least $50,000 in damages for his 5-minutes of democracy.

In 2000, I "confronted" loony drug-addicted law professor RFK Jr, at University of Tennessee in Knoxville. It was an unannounced lecture, so I didn't have much time to prepare my questions in my rush to the meeting. So he tried to rip my head off in the lecture hall while I prefaced my question, which is what he's trained to do. But I hung in there and asked my question. Afterwards, I handed him a large 3-ring folder with evidence of govt corruption in the garbage, scrap metal, car-theft and nuke-waste cartel HQed in Knoxville, that I had 2 class actions against. When I handed him videotapes of Bohemian Grove and 9/11, he looked crestfallen, and he knew exactly what it was...

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:03 AM

SIGNYM

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Good questions.

BTW Kerry and Bush both belonged to the Skull & Bones Society at . I'm not sure that counts as a "secret society" or that it has any bearing in their behavior today. Bush started out being a rich boy, Kerry became less anti-establishment as the drip drip drip of privilege and money wore away his principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:07 AM

PIRATENEWS

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White House has now released its handbook for its covert operatives, on how to attack any citizens who get uppity and want to ask real questions at public meetings. That strategy sounded exactly like what happened here.

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The "Presidential Advance Manual," dated October 2002 with the stamp "Sensitive -- Do Not Copy," was released under subpoena to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of two people arrested for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech at the West Virginia State Capitol in 2004. The techniques described have become familiar over the 6 1/2 years of Bush's presidency, but the manual makes it clear how organized the anti-protest policy really is.

www.startribune.com/587/story/1395726.html

DOWNLOAD MANUAL -- HEAVILY REDACTED:
www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/30265res20070628.html


The question that triggered the final attack on the Florida student was his question about IMPEACHING BUSH.

You can bet the Florida student council running this meeting for Kerry, are run by secret societies, and they take death oaths to keep those societies secret, especially when they're official franchises of Skull & Bones.

The added Taser treatment is just 24 Hours of Gitmo come home to roost.

Note that by "demonstrators", the Bush White House includes ARREST of all presidential candidates and nominees, such as ordering the arrest of Green Party nominee Ralph Nader in 2000 (Nader sued the off-duty state trooper and university), and arrest of the Libertarian and Green Party nominees, and arrest of Republican presidential candidate John "Prescott Bush Is A Nazi" Buchanan in 2004.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BTW- It just seems to me that tasering someone while being a "sergeant at arms" is unnecessary and excessive. It's like using a taser when little Johnny won't shut up in class. Much as the teacher might LIKE to taser a few students it is excessive to the situation. The guy was guilty of nothing more than mouthing off. He wasn't a criminal suspect, he wasn't "resisting arrest", and he posed no threat to anyone. It was just the cops grabbing the most convenient tool to save themselves from getting their uniforms sweaty.

Back in the other thread someone asked about feeling threatened when exercising freedom of speech? Here's an example of why people might not speak out: excessive force applied by authoritarian response

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:39 AM

SIGNYM

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Note that by "demonstrators", the Bush White House includes ARREST of all presidential candidates and nominees, such as ordering the arrest of Green Party nominee Ralph Nader in 2000 (Nader sued the off-duty state trooper and university), and arrest of the Libertarian and Green Party nominees, and arrest of Republican presidential candidate John "Prescott Bush Is A Nazi" Buchanan in 2004
Links please?

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I've seen the video several times...the kid was being a disruptive jerk. He most definitely resisted arrest, or resisted being escorted out of the venue. Screaming that you've done nothing wrong while continuing to fight to escape the grasp of the police is clearly resisting arrest. Now...why they tasered him when they had him on the ground is a whole different subject...seems to me they could have been able to cuff him & remove him, but they went for the taser...a move which will likely cost them their jobs, and the taxpayers of Florida millions in 'damages'.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:54 AM

SIGNYM

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Okay, he was a "disruptive jerk". Does that warrant being tasered? What about the kid who's screaming bloody murder on a plane? The great-grandma who fails to water her lawn? www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/lawn.dispute.ap/index.html You should match the force to the situation.
Just because you have a taser hanging on your belt and you're pissed off at someone doesn't mean you should use it.

So- Were they trying to arrest him or escort him out of the building? And if they were trying to arrest him, what was the charge? Using more than his allotted time to speak?


This is the kind of thinking that creates "freedom of speech" zones: chain-linked "approved demonstration" areas a half-mile away from the media where you can say anything you want because nobody will hear you.
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When Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up “free speech zones” or “protest zones” where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”


www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:17 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The charges could have been :
disorderly conduct
failure to obey the police
resisting arrest
Now...it's all negotiable with this kid...who apparently has a history of this sort of behavior....just another loony-left freak who STILL hasn;t gotton past the election loss to Bush. Big picture here...this incident will pass in time, maybe he'll get money and/or fame, maybe not...but he will always be an immature fucking idiot in perpetual denial of reality, and one who has shown the whole world (again!) how violently dangerous the demented left is in America.

And....about the tasering ...Kerry is a national figure, a Senator, and an ex-Presidential candidate..ie a heavyweight in the political arena. The police and authorities cannot allow a clearly unstable hooligan to run roughshot and make demands of Kerry to answer his stupid questions...the police MUST assume him to be a real threat to Senator Kerry & they acted appropriately. If it had been President Kerry speaking, this kid would never have even been allowed on the campus that day.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:27 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by JRC:
I'm not sure how a taser works, but from the demonstrations I've seen, any person hit with a taser will immediately hit the ground, totally incapacitated.


Generally thats true. I just had a Preliminary Hearing with a fella that took five taser shots and kept coming. Eventually took five cops to get him down one of whom was badly injured. But he was on something.

H

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:29 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
3 very simple questions that Kerry can NEVER answer.


I note for the record that Kerry did answer the questions after the fella was dragged away.

It may not have been a good answer, or a complete answer, or the answer your looking for, but it was an answer.

H

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:48 AM

EVILDINOSAUR


wow, that was pretty scary. Right there is why this country is the shit hole that it is, because anyone that asks a question outside of the "talking points" gets tased

I understand that he was resisting arrest a little at first, tho why he was being arrested in the first place I still don't understand, but then when they threatened to tase him, he said he would leave peacefully, they didn't have to go through with it, the threat was enough, and yet they did it anyway, those cops all need to be fired, if not arrested themselves.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:13 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
wow, that was pretty scary. Right there is why this country is the shit hole that it is, because anyone that asks a question outside of the "talking points" gets tased

I understand that he was resisting arrest a little at first, tho why he was being arrested in the first place I still don't understand, but then when they threatened to tase him, he said he would leave peacefully, they didn't have to go through with it, the threat was enough, and yet they did it anyway, those cops all need to be fired, if not arrested themselves.





Watch the first part of the video again. This guy was filibustering w/ his " questions " , and had gone well over the alotted time. When asked to leave, he wouldn't. When the cops came to simply escort him out, he got even more animated. He wasn't being arrested, ( at that point ) but simply shown the door. The student refused every attempt to yield the mic, to step down and to basically calm the hell down. It's clear to me that he WANTED to force some sort of issue here, and make a scene. Either way, when he was surrounded by cops, he wasn't listening to what they were saying. He wouldn't calm down, he'd ask if he was being arrested, and then would go off on his ' help! help!' routine and not even bother to listen to the cops. When he was down on the ground, he continued to struggle. While saying he'd cooperate, he'd start right up and resist the cops AGAIN! All they wanted to do was restrain him ( cuff him ) enough to get him out of the hall. He simply wasn't having any of it.

It 'may' be note worthy that several of the cops were female officers. This 'kid' wasn't some scrawny geek, but was much taller and heavier than many of the female cops, which may have hindered their abilty to handle him while he was on the ground. Regardless, he was shown the taser, and briefly said he'd comply. That lasted for all of 1-2 seconds, and he started struggling AGAIN! At that point, it's fair to say the cops had had enough of his antics and zapped him. I suppose they did that instead of used pepper spray because it was an enclosed area, and were dealing with just one person. They could have broken out their batons, but that might have made matters worse.

The cops did the right thing, imo, though the may need further training in subduing a hostile individual.

Quite frankly, the whole affair reminds me of scene 3 from MP&The Holy Grail, between King Arthur and Dennis.


Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!





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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The charges could have been :
disorderly conduct
failure to obey the police
resisting arrest

Of course the charges 'could have" been a lot of things, but what were they? Any?
Quote:

how violently dangerous the demented left is in America.
Violent? Dangerous? PUHLEEZ! Apparently you've never confronted real violence or danger or you would have never said that.

HE was yelling. The cops were tasing. Who was more dangerous?

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the police MUST assume him to be a real threat to Senator Kerry
I saw the video. It was clear from the beginning the only "weapon" this guy had was a microphone. Annoying? You bet! Rude? Hectoring? Absolutely. Having a hissy fit? YEP. Dangerous? Not at all.


BY the way: This kid COULD be Mal in an Alliance bar. So, how many of you like Firefly?


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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:07 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


As far as freedom of speech is concerned this jackass’s principle motive was to eliminate everyone else’s freedom of speech. He was hogging the forum by repeatedly asking questions that he believed Kerry couldn’t answer – thereby making sure that no one could exercise their freedom of speech, which was the purpose of this function. And he could accomplish this in at least two ways. He could hog the mic with stupid questions or he could throw a huge fit in the back and derail the whole event for the duration of its time. Either way, what gives him the right to prevent everyone else from speaking? Should someone do this at every political speech where a speaker they don’t agree with is speaking? Is this the kind of gestopo debating tactic that should become common place in our political forums?

The police were there to protect freedom of speech – and from what I saw they did everything right. They tried to peacefully remove him. When that didn’t work they tried to forcibly remove him. When that didn’t work, they called his bluff, and tazed him.



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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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As far as freedom of speech is concerned this jackass’s principle motive was to eliminate everyone else’s freedom of speech. He was hogging the forum by repeatedly asking questions that he believed Kerry couldn’t answer – thereby making sure that no one could exercise their freedom of speech, which was the purpose of this function. And he could accomplish this in at least two ways. He could hog the mic with stupid questions or he could throw a huge fit in the back and derail the whole event for the duration of its time. Either way, what gives him the right to prevent everyone else from speaking? Should someone do this at every political speech where a speaker they don’t agree with is speaking? Is this the kind of gestopo speaking tactic that should become common place in our political forums?
I agree on everything except the tasing part. So speaking of gestapo...

And please don't say my comparison is overblown because YOU brought it up.
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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:11 AM

SIGNYM

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huh

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:32 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
And please don't say my comparison is overblown because YOU brought it up.

What?

I don’t know what some people think the police are here for, but it’s not to be nurturing parental figures to disruptive jackasses. It’s extremely difficult to arrest someone who is perpetually resisting arrest. In the past, this kid would probably have gotten beat with fists or batons, or possibly even shot, since without non-lethal means of control, police would more often draw their firearms. Today he gets an essentially harmless electric shock.

I suppose we could go to the Gestapo police tactics and beat him silly with batons then take him out back and shoot him, but that seems excessive.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:52 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Here's some updated information:

The two campus police were put on leave after the incident and the University has called for an investigation into campus police tactics. Sounds damning, but when you realize that this guy is sounding more and more like a sensationalist hack, they may be just protecting themselves from further jackassry.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297287,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:06 AM

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Campus 'Security' tasering students with little or no excuse is already an acknowledged problem.

http://www.ala.org/ala/alonline/currentnews/newsarchive/2006abc/novemb
er2006a/uclataser.cfm


Yeah, the guy was being a jackass, no he didn't deserve tasering.

I have the feeling that b/c it's supposed to be non-lethal it gets used where it's not appropriate. One of my coworkers was tasered after police busted his door down in the middle of the night and woke him up. In his half-asleep state he didn't comply quickly enough with the police and got three tasers to the chest. It turned out to be a mistaken tip.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:30 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I understand that he was resisting arrest a little at first, tho why he was being arrested in the first place I still don't understand, but then when they threatened to tase him, he said he would leave peacefully, they didn't have to go through with it, the threat was enough, and yet they did it anyway, those cops all need to be fired, if not arrested themselves.


I disagree. The student had an obligation to obey lawful instructions to cease he disturbance (he refused), to calm down (he kept shouting), to hold still (he was struggling), to relax his arms so he could be safely cuffed (he was pulling away), to comply with officers orders or he would be tased (he was still struggling, pushing, pulling, fighting, resisting, and shouting).

I've seen it happen in a number of circumstances. I've seen guys fighting for their life stop dead and go meek as a mouse once the taser comes out. I've seen them fight just as hard right up till they get hit. We even have a video of a guy who got tased that was pleading not to be tased while refusing to relinquish his knife or stop fighting. Happens. Taser is non-lethal and leaves no serious injury, thats a heck of a lot better then an officer using a baton.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think the kid had it comin' to him, personally. Y'all watch and decide for yourself.
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Absolutely, God knows that every instance of FREE SPEECH is punishable by being arrested and tasering.

This is frustrating beyond measure. Because he was asking Kerry irritating questions he was arrested. What is especially disgusting is when he offered to leave the meeting, the "cops" (I use that word in quotations to separate these 6 or 7 morons who can't seem to handle a situation in which there an angry college student yelling at someone from the hundreds of public servants who risk their lives everyday) decided to taser him instead. They should be fired immediately if they know no other way to diffuse the situation. God forbid someone else would have stepped in to help, that person would probably have been shot on the spot.

I've never said this in my life, but I sincerely hope the ACLU is all over this.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:45 AM

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I think the real tragedy of this situation is that all the electrical current that was wasted on this kid could have been better used if it had directed at Kerry's re-charge bolts in his neck as was the original plan....that's the real reason the cops had tasers with them....to re-charge Kerry in case he ran out of juice during the event. I hope he made it home ok without a fresh-up zap, and I hope Theresa had enough reserve juice in her neck bolts to share some voltage with her loving husband.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:16 PM

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milford, get your facts straight before you post again. The student wasn't arrested for asking an annoying question. They were at a structured Q and A where this clown went WAY over the line in hogging the mic. Folks were APPLAUDING when he was asked to ceed the mic, and cops were there to escort him out of the event. He refused. Instead, he acted more of an ass, and only flamed the situation further. If you watch the video, he was shown the taser to let him know the cops weren't kidding. The female officer tells him to clam down and he'll be escorted out.She says he won't be tasered if he cooperates. He does,for like no time at all. He keeps on resisting, shouting and, as they promised, they tased his whiny ass. Good for them.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:52 PM

SUCCATASH


This was all about the personal pride of the cops.

People who are way out of line with a mic are not a danger and should not be tasered.

They tasered him for shouting and whining. He was already in their control and no threat to anyone. It's an annoyance issue, not a safety issue.

People aren't televisions, and tasers are not mute buttons.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:57 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
This was all about the personal pride of the cops.

People who are way out of line with a mic are not a danger and should not be tasered.

They tasered him for shouting and whining. He was already in their control and no threat to anyone. It's an annoyance issue, not a safety issue.

People aren't televisions, and tasers are not mute buttons.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."




You're right. A couple of quick knocks to the noggin w/ a night stick and the fellah would be out like a light.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:23 PM

SIGNYM

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A University of California at Los Angeles student was repeatedly stunned with an electronic Taser by campus police officers November 14 at the UCLA Powell Library....But witnesses told the November 16 Los Angeles Times that Tabatabainejad was on his way out of the library when police forcibly stopped him. In the roughly six-minute video, Tabatabainejad’s screams of pain are clearly audible, as is his shout, “Here’s your Patriot Act, here’s your fucking abuse of power.” The video also captures patrons asking for the officers’ badge numbers, as well as a patron being told to move away from an officer “or you’re going to get Tasered, too.”

'Cause we're the POlice. And we got the tasers.



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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
A University of California at Los Angeles student was repeatedly stunned with an electronic Taser by campus police officers November 14 at the UCLA Powell Library....But witnesses told the November 16 Los Angeles Times that Tabatabainejad was on his way out of the library when police forcibly stopped him. In the roughly six-minute video, Tabatabainejad’s screams of pain are clearly audible, as is his shout, “Here’s your Patriot Act, here’s your fucking abuse of power.” The video also captures patrons asking for the officers’ badge numbers, as well as a patron being told to move away from an officer “or you’re going to get Tasered, too.”

'Cause we're the POlice. And we got the tasers.




Old news, and not a full account of how it happened. I fear there's an attempt out there to censor the REAL story here by edit make ENTIRE event and make it look quite differently from what is being shown on the news and even in this YouTube clip.

The FULL video shows the student giving a nice long preamble of how much he appreciated Kerry being there. The, the student goes on about whether Kerry has read this book ( he holds up the book ), to which Kerry says he's already read it. THEN the student asks, in a rambling, long winded fashion, why did Kerry ceed the 2004 election, in light of so much alleged cases of voter fraud. ( That's 2 questions ) THEN the student makes some comment about Kerry and Bush both being members of the secret Skull and Bones society. At that point, he's been up there for almost 2 minutes, and everyone else is getting restless. He's hogging the mic. As folks are voicing their wishes that this guy move along, he responds that Kerry's had the mic for 2 hrs, can't he have some time too ? THEN the cops start to move in, as this guy is shouting that he's still got 2 MORE questions!

This was a stunt. This kid wanted to grand stand and make a name for himself.



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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:34 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Sounds like Tabatabainajad probably had a self-fulfilling prophecy. Much like Mr. don't-taze-me-bro.



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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:36 PM

SUCCATASH


Spock had the Vulcan neck pinch, but he never abused it, did he?

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:49 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
"At that point, he's been up there for almost 2 minutes, and everyone else is getting restless. He's hogging the mic. As folks are voicing their wishes that this guy move along, he responds that Kerry's had the mic for 2 hrs, can't he have some time too?"



Why did you leave out the part about John Kerry repeatedly saying he would answer his question? He gave him the floor.

But it doesn't matter what the crowd wanted or what John Kerry wanted. It was a forum where civil discourse was encouraged, and he was tasered for not lying still and being quiet.

I'm sure the school's policy on tasers is that they may be used to preserve safety.

There was no safety issue.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:52 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


What the hell are you talking about? Spock was always Vulcan nerve pinching crazy types. And god only knows how many disruptive types were phasered on stun. And Kirk was knocking the hell out of people all over the damn place.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:08 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What the hell are you talking about? Spock was always Vulcan nerve pinching crazy types. And god only knows how many disruptive types were phasered on stun. And Kirk was knocking the hell out of people all over the damn place.



Ok, yeah I laughed during that scene on the bus in Star Trek 4 when Spock pinched out the annoying punk rocker.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:10 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
Ok, yeah I laughed during that scene on the bus in Star Trek 4 when Spock pinched out the annoying punk rocker.

That was pretty cool.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Little trivia on that bus scene....the punk kid's name is Kirk Thatcher, and he wrote that ridiculous song that annoyed Capt. Kirk...."We're all bloody worthless.......how many megatons?"

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Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:06 AM

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Quote:

"Succatash wrote:
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 17:36
Spock had the Vulcan neck pinch, but he never abused it, did he?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



Actually, Spock abused his Vulcan neck pinch in Star Trek IV.

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EDIT: Someone beat me to it. Heh.

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Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, do cops have the right to taser someone who's peacefully resisting by going limp? Offering no threat at all, merely being a sack of potatoes? Do the police have the right to taser bystanders who are asking for their badge numbers? Do the police have the right to taser someone who simply resisting being moved? (ie. not punching, kicking or bitingt, just not being "cooperative)? Do they have the right to taser someone who refuses to show their ID? Or someone who refuses to answer questions? Or take a breathalyzer?

Once you make "TASER" the anser for EVERY act of non-compliance, whether it's dangerous or not, you've opened the door for all kinds of abuses.

Yes, the kid was there to make a point. And the cops helped him make it.


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Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:39 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Who was tazed for asking for badge numbers? Or refusing to show their ID? Or refusing to answer questions? Or take a breathalyzer? These particular points seem to be complete nonsense.

As for resisting arrest by going limp, that’s not what I saw on the video. The video that I saw didn’t show anyone getting tazed, and in fact, didn’t show hardly any of the event at all. What it did show of it was the perpetrator standing and directly addressing the police, until he was finally cuffed and dragged out. There were long periods of audio where you heard the guy screaming hateful remarks at the top of lungs BEFORE the tazing event occurred. A reasonable conclusion of the events, unseen in the video, would be that this guy was violently or at least aggressively resisting arrest not peacefully going limp.

After watching the video again, there were long periods of time, following the arrest, in which the officers demanded at least two dozen times to “stand up” in a door way. There was a counter in the way, so it was impossible to see the perpetrator who, given his demeanor so far, I would likely conclude was likely bracing himself on the floor in the door frame.

In no way can I honestly claim from this video that this guy was peacefully going limp.




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Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Who was tazed for asking for badge numbers? Or refusing to show their ID? Or refusing to answer questions? Or take a breathalyzer? These particular points seem to be complete nonsense.
It was in the UCLA incident (previously linked and partially quoted.) Unfortuantely the YouTube won't play on my PC so I have to go with witness and police reports:
Quote:

Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was in a library computer lab around 11:30 p.m. when a community service officer asked for his campus ID as part of the library’s policy of requesting identification from patrons after 11:00 p.m. Tabatabainejad refused, and the officer soon returned with members of the University of California Police Department. “He continued to refuse,” read a November 15 UCPD memo. “As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.” The statement claims that “Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance” and confirms that he was stunned with a Taser and arrested for resisting a police officer.

But witnesses told the November 16 Los Angeles Times that Tabatabainejad was on his way out of the library when police forcibly stopped him. In the roughly six-minute video, Tabatabainejad’s screams of pain are clearly audible, as is his shout, “Here’s your Patriot Act, here’s your fucking abuse of power.” The video also captures patrons asking for the officers’ badge numbers, as well as a patron being told to move away from an officer “or you’re going to get Tasered, too.”



www.ala.org/ala/alonline/currentnews/newsarchive/2006abc/november2006a
/uclataser.cfm


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Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:51 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


If you're talking about the 14 NOV UCLA incident, I have no reason to believe that at any time was anyone tazed for refusing to show ID, asking for badge numbers or taking a breathalyzer. (The police threatening a thing doesn't mean it happened - in fact there seems to be no reason to believe that anyone was tazed for asking for badge numbers or that anyone claimed to have witnessed anyone being tazed for asking for badge numbers.)

If you would like to show me some evidence, I'll consider it, but I haven't seen any so far.



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