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US vet faces jail for removing Mexican flag in USA

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:05 PM

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VIDEO: Reno Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Arrested
http://infowars.net/articles/october2007/031007Flag.htm



Soldiers play a game called Capture the Flag. It's like tag, hide and seek, and touch football rolled into one. It's preparing them for combat.

In the Real World, the winner gets to slaughter the loser.

Flags have military meaning. It proves jurisdiction for ships, forts, courts and nations. Flags are deadly serious.





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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:16 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I had no idea there were laws regarding the display of flags on private property. I'd wager that the owner of the business was equally surprised to hear this.

If this ever came to the Supreme Court, I'd expect them to strike down the law. However distasteful the message, his flying of his flag above the US flag would seem to me to comprise political speech, protected under the Constitution.

Given your previous views on freedom of speech, PirateNews, and freedoms in general, I'm surprised to see you on the side of the flag-taker on this one.

For my own part, I boo the shop-owner for his message, I boo the flag-taker for stealing the flag, and I boo the lawmakers who made the laws regarding the flying of the flag.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Damn, Anthony, ya beat me to the punch.

I was about to say much the same thing, and prolly not in as polite a fashion.

-F

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:31 PM

LEADB


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
Quote:

The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is title 4 of the United States Code: 4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq. This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them and they are not widely enforced — indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past. (The Flag Desecration Amendment that has been proposed from time to time would override Supreme Court rulings on the matter, if it were passed though the amendment may still be in conflict with the 1st amendment)


So, it may be technically 'against the law', thus illegal; but it cannot be enforced. Sounds like a great way to get people hacked off.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:37 PM

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The law is one of jurisdiction. Which nation are your pledging allegiance to. Putting a Mexican flag under the US flag is "okay". But this shop renter/owner is a citzen of Mexico, and was pledging allegiance to illegal aliens during the recent arrests and deportations.

As for jurisdiction, it's probably not a smart move to put any govt flag on your own private property, presuming that such as thing as private property exists in a nation with property taxes, with informercials of govt tax forclosures, stealing real estate for a penny on the dollar.

But pledging allegiance to a foreign nation is treason, a crime punishable by death under US Code and common law. The Atzlan plan is an official plan of the Mexican govt to overthrow USA and conquer a dozen US states for Mexico. Mexican has invaded USA continually for 100 years, including World Wars 1 and 2, when they were a satellite of Nazi Germany and fascist Vatican Nation.

40-million Mexican citzens have invaded USA, so far, with 500,000,000 more illegal aliens on the way ASAP.

THIS IS WAR.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:37 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I had no idea there were laws regarding the display of flags on private property. I'd wager that the owner of the business was equally surprised to hear this.

If this ever came to the Supreme Court, I'd expect them to strike down the law. However distasteful the message, his flying of his flag above the US flag would seem to me to comprise political speech, protected under the Constitution.

Doubtful that they will be struck down. The Federal Flag Code provides uniform guidance for the display and respect for the flag, but the Federal Flag Code specifically states that they are not enforced and prescribes no penalties. That doesn’t mean that States are prevented from enforcing these laws or providing penalties. I’m not sure what penalties or enforcement Nevada Code provides for failure to adhere to the Federal Flag Code.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:43 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
For my own part, I boo the shop-owner for his message, I boo the flag-taker for stealing the flag, and I boo the lawmakers who made the laws regarding the flying of the flag.

For me I cheer the Veteran who stole the flag, boo the shop-owner who should have more respect for this nation, especially where the Latino community is concerned who are desperate to come to this country. And I cheer the Federal Flag Code, which provides Americans with a uniform guidance to voluntarily swear their allegiance to this great country.

Legally, I side with the shopowner, however, who because of this great country, should have the right to swear allegiance to any country he wants, despite the fact that it means he lied if he naturalized.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:51 PM

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Technically, feds have no jurisdiction in the states, except on tiny portions of fed property. Which, in the case of Nevada, is 90% of the state. All those nuke bomb ranges and Area 51s.

This is interesting. So US Code is advisory and not criminal, and feds have no jurisdiction to enforce law in the states. That's exactly what I argued in fed court for my fed traffic ticket. I was prosecuted under CFR because there was no US Code, CFR was not specific and thus void for vagueness, and the CFR did not list a punishment. Fed cop was not deputized by the sheriff. That case is now on appeal. But Tennessee police sold fake ID driver "certificates" to 250,000 illegal aliens since 9/11. No deportation allowed.

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Police share details on flag flying

The Reno Police Department has received numerous inquiries into a recent incident involving the U.S. flag, Reno police said.
Some details:

o The United States Code establishes a protocol for the display of the American flag in relation to other flags displayed in the same location. The protocol can be found at 4 U.S.C. §7. The protocol is advisory and is not a criminal statute.

o There is no sanction for violation of the protocol and is not enforceable by local law enforcement.

o Nevada Revised Statutes contain provisions relating to the display of the American flag and the Nevada State flag. However, none of those provisions make it unlawful to violate the protocol established in the U.S. Code.

o There are no provisions in the Nevada Revised Statutes regarding the display of flags of other countries.

If any individual reports a crime, the Reno Police Department would take the report and if the facts warranted would investigate and then submit to the prosecutor’s office for a review regarding the potential for prosecution of the crime, city spokesman Steve Frady said.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071003/NEWS18/7100303
4&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews


Nevada Revised Statutes

NRS 118A.325 Right of tenant to display flag of the United States in certain areas; conditions and limitations on exercise of right.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, a landlord or an agent or employee of a landlord shall not prohibit a tenant from engaging in the display of the flag of the United States within such physical portion of the premises as that tenant has a right to occupy and use exclusively.

2. The provisions of this section do not:

(a) Apply to the display of the flag of the United States for commercial advertising purposes.

(b) Preclude a landlord or an agent or employee of a landlord from adopting rules that reasonably restrict the placement and manner of the display of the flag of the United States by a tenant.

3. In any action commenced to enforce the provisions of this section, the prevailing party is entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees and costs.

4. As used in this section, “display of the flag of the United States” means a flag of the United States that is:

(a) Made of cloth, fabric or paper;

(b) Displayed from a pole or staff or in a window; and

(c) Displayed in a manner that is consistent with 4 U.S.C. Chapter 1.



Many govt buildings in Texas fly the Mexican flag and don't fly any US flag, and only allow Spanish language in court.

THIS IS WAR.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:55 PM

ANTHONYT

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Piratenews,

I've always pegged you as a kind of Libertarian Anarchist with a taste for conspiracy theories.

But your recent statements make me doubt my evaluation of your belief system.

You've alternately advocated overthrowing our oppressive government, and engaging in war against those who are trying to conquer it.

What sort of government or system do you propose as the ideal?

Thanks,

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:00 PM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
...
40-million Mexican citzens have invaded USA, so far, with 500,000,000 more illegal aliens on the way ASAP.

THIS IS WAR.


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/mx.h
tml

estimates the population of Mexico at 108 million. Or are the illegal aliens you talking about coming from somewhere else? Otherwise, we got about 80 years for them to produce about that that many folks.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:01 PM

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A govt run by criminal psychopaths hellbent on violent overthrow of our nation is not my idea of success. But this is the govt we now have, at fed, state and local levels.

This is a bad situation to be in.

Most folks are too selfish, greedy and stupid to care about their family, community, state or nation. But it only takes 5% to control everybody else. The balance of power rests in the hands of a relatively few people. Right now, the evil serial killers are in control, and the good people are on vacation.

This is BAD.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:13 PM

VETERAN

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Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
...this shop renter/owner is a citzen of Mexico, and was pledging allegiance to illegal aliens during the recent arrests and deportations.....



Your wrong he's an American citizen. Probably born here, a Naturalized citizen would have known.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 9:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Foolish, sure, bad taste, sure, but Treason ?

Nope.

Has to be an overt act, Treason is the only crime expressly defined in detail in the US Constitution, in order to prevent it from being thrown around in the arbitrary fashion that seems common in political debate.

I cite Article Three, Section Three.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

You can call it whatever else you like, but Treason it ain't.

-F

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 9:46 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:





VIDEO: Reno Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Arrested
http://infowars.net/articles/october2007/031007Flag.htm



Soldiers play a game called Capture the Flag. It's like tag, hide and seek, and touch football rolled into one. It's preparing them for combat.

In the Real World, the winner gets to slaughter the loser.

Flags have military meaning. It proves jurisdiction for ships, forts, courts and nations. Flags are deadly serious.





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Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:38 AM

ARCLIGHT


The whole thing appeared "staged" to me. Just another "don't taze me, bro" kinda thing.

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 3:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The whole place could'a been torched.....crack addicts will do anything for 5 bucks.

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 3:16 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Veteran:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
...this shop renter/owner is a citzen of Mexico, and was pledging allegiance to illegal aliens during the recent arrests and deportations.....



Your wrong he's an American citizen. Probably born here, a Naturalized citizen would have known.



That's what the news suspected, without proof. The guy appeared to be unable to speak English, so I'm sure he was born in Mexico. Dual citizenship is not real citizenship, because that person has loyalty to a foreign nation. In the case of Mexico, that nation been at war with USA nonstop for over 100 years.

Could that shop "owner" pass this citizenship test? Could he read this test? Can you pass this test?

Quote:


Quiz: How well do you know the United States?

Answer selected questions from the new naturalization test

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21019797/



Here's an example of the type of criminal traitors who run all state legislators. Congress is not much different.
Quote:


VIDEO: Texas legislators caught openly perping voter fraud CONTINUOUSLY as standard procedure.

Each politician votes FOUR TIMES for four other absentee politicians.




My County Commission is on trial this week for election fraud. TN Supreme Court already smacked them down for election fraud in January 2007, throwing out the sheriff and entire commission. So the fired commissioners held secret meetings to appoint their families as replacements. A jury this week fired those illegal replacement family members.

Our local Bohemian Grove-owned monopoly newspaper filed a civil lawsuit against the Knox County Commission for violing the Sunshine Law by holding secret elections.

Here's video and court docs from that trial and verdict this week:

Quote:


Knoxville News Sentinel vs Knox Counyt Commission

http://knoxnews.com/news/2007/oct/04/moore-sets-coursefor-allowing-inp
ut
/



One of those appointed family members on county commission is a convicted crack cocaine dealer involved in four murders.
Quote:


Josh Jordan was sworn in Wednesday to replace his mother, Diane Jordan, in her Knox County Commission District One seat.

10 News has learned that Josh Jordan testified in a drug trial against the so-called "Florida Boys" drug gang and, through his testimony, admitted his involvement in the illegal sale of drugs.

In October of 1993, then 17-year old Jordan said he sold cocaine for Thomas "Sonny" Elder.

Jordan says he sold cocaine for Elder a few times a week, from noon to 8 p.m. when he wasn't in school, and from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. when he had school.

On a "good" sales day, Jordan admitted selling 15 to 20 quarter-grams of cocaine for $20 each. On an average day, he'd sell 5 to 10 quarter-grams.

The defendant in the "Florida Boys" trial who Jordan testified against, Thomas Elder, was sentenced to 288 months in federal prison for his conviction for engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise in concert with at least 5 other people, one of whom was Jordan.

Elder also received shorter sentences on two counts of unlawful distribution of cocaine hydrochloride (crack cocaine), that he was to serve concurrently.

www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=41898


Our Knoxville City Council is no less corrupt. It just held secret ELECTIONS last week, in September 2007. Summertime in an ODD year is not "election season". So the billionaire mayor "won" a "landslide" with 5,000 votes, in a city of 160,000 residents. Local media mafia provided no news that there was an impending election, until the election "result" was a done deal. All our votes are counted by computers owned by a foreign private military contractor, Danaher Systems, which "loses" 25,000 registered votes in each presidential election, just in Knox County. The billionaire mayor uses Knoxville's billion-dollar Top Secret CAFR "govt pension funds" as his personal ATM to expand his Pilot Oil Corporation nationwide, while raising taxes massively on the voters, and replacing city police and city court with private robocops from Australia.

Convicted homosexual Senator Larry Craig is on the Board of Directors of the NRA, who is sponsoring a Congressional bill to ban ammunition this week.
Quote:


NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig's Ammunition Ban Amendment

www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3643



Here's the NY legislature and governor selling fake I.D. driver licenses to millions of illegal aliens, just like my state of Tennessee has been doing for many years.
Quote:


NY sells fake driver licenses to illegal aliens





It's all part of the New World Odor agenda to violently overthrow USA.
Quote:


New World Order music video

starring Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire as Max Headroom

http://nwo.sooutthere.com/



As for killing entire families of illegal aliens in summary executions, that is authorized under all state and federal laws. Such summary executions are carried out every day in USA and Iraq, without trial, without appeal. It's called "law enforcement" and/or WAR.

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 3:40 AM

VETERAN

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Quote:

piratenews wrote:
Thursday, October 04, 2007 03:16
Quote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Veteran:

Quote:

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Originally posted by piratenews:
...this shop renter/owner is a citzen of Mexico, and was pledging allegiance to illegal aliens during the recent arrests and deportations.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Your wrong he's an American citizen. Probably born here, a Naturalized citizen would have known.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



That's what the news suspected, without proof. The guy appeared to be unable to speak English, so I'm sure he was born in Mexico. Dual citizenship is not real citizenship, because that person has loyalty to a foreign nation. In the case of Mexico, that nation been at war with USA nonstop for over 100 years.

Could that shop "owner" pass this citizenship test? Could he read this test? Can you pass this test?


Quote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quiz: How well do you know the United States?

Answer selected questions from the new naturalization test

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21019797/




That was my point. A lot of folks who were born here do not know the rules regarding handling the flag because aside from some organizations like the Boy Scouts it's information that is never taught. BTW, I took a crack at the test questions in the link you posted above. I got a 96 (but wait I was born here... damn defeated my own theory).

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 3:54 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Veteran:

That was my point. A lot of folks who were born here do not know the rules regarding handling the flag because aside from some organizations like the Boy Scouts it's information that is never taught. BTW, I took a crack at the test questions in the link you posted above. I got a 96 (but wait I was born here... damn defeated my own theory).



The flag laws are hilarious for proving the media mafia and politicians are either incompetent or pathological liars. The only lawful way to destroy a flag is by burning, but that is never reported when "Anti Flag Burning Laws" are debated for jailing protestors. VFW burns 100s of flags every day.

BTW, I scored 100%, thanks to lucky guestimates. The real test is fill in the blank, not multi choice, so I'd not have scored as well, without studying the 140 question study guide.

I'd bet the average US citzen would fail that test. 40-million illegal aliens are not required to take this test, of course. Immigration invasion groups disapprove of the test, because its not in Spanish or other foerign languages (or is it?). Tennessee sells fake ID driver "certificates" in Spanish...

Quote:


Are you smarter than a 5th Grader or Naturalized Citizen?





WE ARE DOOMED.

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 4:21 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
The Atzlan plan is an official plan of the Mexican govt to overthrow USA and conquer a dozen US states for Mexico.


The Taco Bell plan is an official plan of the Mexican govt. to conquer all fifty states with tasty low-priced Chalupas.

H

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 5:43 AM

ANTHONYT

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Piratenews,

What sort of government or system do you propose as the ideal?

Thanks,

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 11:00 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
The Atzlan plan is an official plan of the Mexican govt to overthrow USA and conquer a dozen US states for Mexico.


The Taco Bell plan is an official plan of the Mexican govt. to conquer all fifty states with tasty low-priced Chalupas.

H



Here's what the Aztlan Nation has to say about themselves:

Quote:




Professor Predicts 'Hispanic Homeland'

http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm


Mexican insurgent terrorist bombers raise oil price to $80 a barrel -- George Bush awards them a pardon

http://www.aztlan.net/mexican_insurgents_strike_again.htm

VIDEO: Aztlan Nation takeover of USA







Tennessee considers secceeding from Dis Union, as only way to enforce immigration laws. Woo Hoo!

www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071003/NEWS03/71003010

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 11:00 AM

LEADB


Missed two on the test 92% right; however, IMHO
5. What is the economic system in the United States?
Socialist economy
Centrally managed economy
Capitalist or market economy
isn't a fair question; we have a Capitalist or market with socialistic 'modifications' economy. Of course, I 'guessed' the correct answer.

Flip side, my guess is that the folks who follow RWED here are probably several notches above the 'average joe' in knowing this material.

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Thursday, October 4, 2007 11:09 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Yes, many of the questions have incorrect "answers". There are many more questions that are more important to know.

As for which govt I prefer, We The People ARE the Govt, the Fourth Branch of govt. Fed govt is only required to protect the borders, which it refuses to do. Taxes must be kept to a minimum, not a maximum. Ron Paul is The Future, and we need an army of new candidates to adopt his marketing plan, then stick to their guns when elected.

Govt has been infiltrated in a hostile takeover by slave owner/catcher class of hereditary career criminals, who established a slave plantation sytem of defrauding massive taxes from the sheeple, who are scientifically brainwashed, drugged, brain-damaged, extorted or genocided to tolerate any amount of tyranny. The US govt no longer exists, having been overthrown systematically for nearly 100 years since the Fed Reserve Act and Income Tax Amendment, if not the Civil War when the fed govt burned and bombed entire cities in USA.

This is bad.

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Friday, October 5, 2007 8:42 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:


This is bad.






In what way?
I'm enjoying it tremendously.

BTW, I scored 100% and I'm not American (thank Christ).

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