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Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:30 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Okay, it might have been chicken.

What am I talking about? I was incensed today when I read a story about a girl arrested for eating her lunch. Apparently, she committed the cardinal sin of bringing a knife from home to help her cut her food. No, this isn't a psycho kid using her lunch as an excuse to bring a lethal weapon to school. She was quietly eating her meal, and other kids testified that she never threatened anyone. She used a knife to cut her meal, which used to be legal.

Of course, once upon a time, High School kids drove pickup trucks to school with shotgun racks in them. Good thing we have all these rules now, so that school shootings never happen and no one gets stabbed in the playground.

In a better world, the girl's knife would have been confiscated and she would have been gently chastised. In a great world, she'd have been allowed to cut her food. In our world, she was arrested.

Thanks, Government, for making our schools safe again, and hauling this delinquent away. Here's a link to the article:

http://www.local6.com/news/14857286/detail.html

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:13 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


Talk about over reacting. What an outrage.

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Zero Tolerance means Zero Respect, which is, essentially, how our culture and society treats children both socially, and legally.

They're not considered *people*, but more on the level of parental property.. like a pet, beloved property, but property all the same.

But as beings with thoughts, desires and intentions of their own beyond what we adults force on them or demand of them ?

Nope.

And that's the thing, you see, respect is a two way street, even.. no.. ESPECIALLY... with a child - you gotta give some to get some, cause if you come outright demanding it under threat of force, sure, you'll get obediance... for a while, while you're there, while you're looking... and all the while a child who despises you and all you stand for.

What you won't get, what you'll NEVER get, that way, is Respect.

That's where all those "break them to your will" morons get it all wrong - if you EARN a childs respect and keep it, then the idea of discipline is academic, because barring the mild tribulations that are the learning experience of childhood, they will self-discipline by the example you set.

I mentioned this before, when speaking of the child of someone I know... her mother could practially club her to death with a 2x4 and it would have NO effect on her behavior because by never offering any, and setting an abysmal example, her mother lost any hope of ever having that childs respect - and yet one stern, disapproving look from me, who DID earn her respect, would stop her in her tracks.

What's forgotten in the whole parent-child or society-child dynamic is that children are PEOPLE, human beings, and develop their own personhood, desires, ambitions and feelings long before that magical line that suddenly causes society to regard them as a person at last.

How we treat em, is why they hate us, and make no mistake about it, many of them do, but they've learned to tell us what we wanna hear to avoid forceful and coercive measures to hammer them into the mold what WE wish them to be.

And the further we come from that, the more we deny our own humanity, and the humanity of our kids, the more warped the form in which it finally expresses itself.

That's one thing observation of a certain school has taught me... the more "control" and the more forceful it becomes, the more fear, the more crime, the more trouble comes of it - descending into the ever spinning cycle of madness of causing problems with such policies, and then using the problems caused by them to "justify" making them more extreme thus causing more problems.... and on and on it goes, amd it's kids, who generally have no say in anything at all, which pay the price for it.

By creating an environment for those not old enough to legally resist, that is abusive to every single aspect of their humanity, we cripple them, just as we in our turn we crippled by those before us.

We're HUMAN, we're PEOPLE, and so are they, and to deny that, is to forever deny any hope of bettering ourselves through future generations.

-Frem

PS. One might also check into the work of Sven Bonnichsen, who's done some pretty intensive philosophical research of this whole dynamic.

EDIT: Had to add this, fantasic, and concise bit on how we disrespect them.
http://www.youthrights.org/final.php

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:55 PM

JUSTSHINY


Dang Frem, you got it soo right.

That's exactly how my parents were and I'll be damned if I didn't turn out self sufficient and quote unquote "a good kid."

I wish all parents understood this.

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:17 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That's one thing observation of a certain school has taught me... the more "control" and the more forceful it becomes, the more fear, the more crime, the more trouble comes of it - descending into the ever spinning cycle of madness of causing problems with such policies, and then using the problems caused by them to "justify" making them more extreme thus causing more problems.... and on and on it goes, amd it's kids, who generally have no say in anything at all, which pay the price for it.




I can feel myself becoming more insane every time I read one of these stories. Are there any sane people left(school principle, police, teachers) to step in and tell the others that this is insanity. In my case I'm sure I will die of a brain hemorrhage reading one of these stories long before I am driven to violence.

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You ain't the only one about to pop a vessel over it Kirk - but what can you really expect when we have the "War on (some)Drugs" as such a fine example to work from, being that it employs exactly the same dynamic.

Our society is insane, kids see this, want no part of it, and WE call THEM crazy for it ?

And then call it a "distorted worldview" and try to medicate it away ?

It's a mad mad mad world, innit ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:04 PM

HERO


Who gets steak in their school lunch? I had peanut butter and jelly and was thankful for it. I only used my knife to daintily remove the crust from my bread the way God and Ron Paul intended.

H

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:14 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

If the girl is like I was, many of her school lunches are the uneaten portion of last night's dinner.

Not that it matters what she was eating or why.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:35 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Wow. Even I can't come up with an excuse for this one.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, December 17, 2007 2:20 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


Wait a minute! We're all in agreement?

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Monday, December 17, 2007 2:31 PM

REAVERMAN


Wow... Just wow. I start reading this board again after a couple months of paying no attention, and the first story I read makes me want to go back to ignoring it all again.

Will Society's stupidity never end? Or is it doomed to an eternity of freaking out over stupid shit?

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:20 AM

FLATTOP


I always wonder what the world will do when the kids stab each other with pens & pencils, or bash each other with books?
Ban them? After the first school does, I suspect there would be a rash of stabbings and bashings across the country until all pens, pencils and books were banned from all schools.


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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


After they handcuffed the diabolical 10 year old arch-criminal, the PC do-gooders made sure she had a good supply of condoms & birth control pills with her....just in case she was plannning on having sex in between watching Hannah Montana and Goofy cartoons.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:50 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Veteran:
Wait a minute! We're all in agreement?


The girl was arrested for bringing a knife to school. Intent is not relevant to the issue.

When I was in school I brought a broadsword to class for a presentation. I made prior arrangements and had permission beforehand and the weapon was properly secured before and after class in a locked closet in the school office and I was escorted to and from class by the Vice-Principal (and I got an A).

Are you saying that as long as her intent is non-violent, she can bring any sort of weapon she wants? Suppose she brought a handgun with nothing but the purest and honost intentions, should 10 year olds be trusted with this responsibility or isn't it safer just to have a blanket rule?

In my business intent is often not an issue. It does however go to punishment. This was an honost mistake with no ill intent. She is guilty, but should not be punished. Its school, there's a lesson here, so they should give this girl room to learn it.

H

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:08 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hero,

What was the content of your broadsword presentation?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:11 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Veteran:
Wait a minute! We're all in agreement?


The girl was arrested for bringing a knife to school. Intent is not relevant to the issue.

The competence of our education system is the issue, though. This school should have probably had the presents of mind and the responsibility to deal with this 10 year little girl without throwing her into the penal system.

I brought a broadsword to school too, to my 7th grade speech class. I was commended for my appropriate use of visual aides, not arrested. Look back on it, it wasn't a smart thing to do though. Any number of bad things could have happened. And the only way I got away with it was because I was extremely discreet and didn‘t let anyone know I had them until the presentation.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:14 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hero,

What was the content of your broadsword presentation?


It was during the public speaking section of 11th grade English. Did a speech on the evolution of the sword in Western culture. Had a Masonic cerimonial sword too (but it was hardly a weapon).

I bought the sword during a school trip the prior summer from the sword makers in Toledo (Spain, the ones in Ohio are hacks). Watched them make it and then bought it.

Its actually quite nice and fairly valuable. Its locked in my Gun Cabinet now (although I think that makes it a Sword Cabinet since I keep my guns somewhere else). If you load you salt shaker with pepper does that make it a pepper shaker?

H

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:30 AM

ARCLIGHT


The more government expands, Liberty diminishes.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Will Society's stupidity never end? Or is it doomed to an eternity of freaking out over stupid shit?


TOUCHE

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:38 PM

RALLEM


When I went ot High School in the early 1980s we were allowed to bring our hunting rifles to school as long as they weren't loaded while in school grounds. I honestly believe the reason Vermont has such a low violent crime rate is because any law abiding citizen is allowed to carry a conceiled handgun anywhere in state, (except in airports I think)so nobody would think of robbing a store or of mugging an elderly woman, because you never know who is carrying.


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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:05 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


From the age of 12 I've always carried a pocket knife. Even in school. Usually with a 3-inch main blade (always prided myself on its sharpness). Took it out a couple of times to sharpen a pencil or use the scissors. Never any intent to use it as a weapon; only as a tool. Some teachers knew I had it because they saw me use it but it. I think I even lent it to one or two. It was no big deal.

A steak knife is not a weapon. It might be used as a weapon but so could a chair or a calculus book.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:42 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hero,

What was the content of your broadsword presentation?


It was during the public speaking section of 11th grade English. Did a speech on the evolution of the sword in Western culture. Had a Masonic cerimonial sword too (but it was hardly a weapon).

I bought the sword during a school trip the prior summer from the sword makers in Toledo (Spain, the ones in Ohio are hacks). Watched them make it and then bought it.

Its actually quite nice and fairly valuable. Its locked in my Gun Cabinet now (although I think that makes it a Sword Cabinet since I keep my guns somewhere else). If you load you salt shaker with pepper does that make it a pepper shaker?

H



Hello,

It is a sad truth that 'Toledo Steel' means almost nothing nowdays. Most of the current makers in Spain are hacks, too, turning out wallhangers at an alarming rate.

There are too-few authentic smiths operating in the world. I know of perhaps a half-dozen places to get a quality blade.

One of the best in the U.S., Angus Trim, doesn't even use traditional means. However, at least he understands the principles of blade geometry and heat treatment. His swords are very, very effective.

One day I will get myself an Angus Trim blade. I'm not likely to be able to afford a quality forged piece.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:15 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


If memory serves when I was in High School there was a story just like this: the girl brought a knife in to cut her chicken, she was arrested. The moral of the story is to cut your food ahead of time and, should you feel the need, kill people with one of the many and varied potential weapons conveniently available in any given school.

Middle school was worse though, they classified book bags as weapons and outlawed them on school grounds during operating hours. You could take your bag from the entrance to your locker before school started, and from your locker to the exit after school ended but anything more than that and they were convinced you were going to kill someone. The result was that in the space between classes almost every student was sprinting to and from their locker while being simultaneously told not to run and not to be late for their next class. To my knowledge there was no reduction in fight related injuries.

-

The nitpicking as to whether dinnerware is a weapon when a student could just as easily do damage with school supplies reminds me of something I heard from Arlo Guthrie. Apparently before being allowed on a flight a member of his party was relieved of new ukulele strings (because they were deadly weapons) but allowed to keep the old strings that were on the ukulele. The moral of the story was that terrorists only kill people with new ukulele strings.

Apparently elementary students, violent as are, hurt people only with dinnerware and not, say, craft supplies.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I guess we oughta go ahead and ban the 1968 Silver Burdett Social Studies textbook too then.

Besides the fact that it's fulla crap, it was also nice and hefty, making a heck of a weapon if you got a full-body rotational swing into it...

Well, I guess that's two lessons I learned from it, not to trust what folk tell me, and practical physics, heh.

I've done more harm in my life with that monstrosity than any other single weapon I own, wouldja believe it ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:41 PM

ERIC


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:


One day I will get myself an Angus Trim blade. I'm not likely to be able to afford a quality forged piece.



YES! I have an AT1518. My fist real sword, it is a freakin lightsaber.

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Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:29 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Update

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=45F09D0
BF1CF6E4ED1EF3731E63827CA?contentId=5320255&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

“Assistant State Attorney Ric Ridgway told the Orlando Sentinel that nothing in the girl's school history suggested she was a troubled child.”

Until some idiot teacher had her arrested for eating steak with a steak-knife. If there is any justice in this world that teacher should be suspended without pay for 3 days and sent to state prison for a day while an attorney decides not to prosecute him or her for a felony.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:24 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The news today is that there won't be any charges against this girl. The school, a model of progressive secular liberal correctness, has instituted a 5-step program with the girl to make sure nothing like the knife-incident ever happens again :\
1) Mandatory sex-ed movies, with guest lecturers including the original cast from Swedish Erotica #1.
2) Her own supply of birth control pills, with her name embossed on a gold case.
3) A box of peppermint-flavored condoms
4) A parental-control cancellation devise that can be used to access Bill Mahr on HBO
5) A memebership application ($49.95 fee required) to the Hopelessly Fucked-Up In The Brain Delusionally Naive Liberal Future Protesters Of America, aka FDNLFPA.

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