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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:06 AM

SERGEANTX


So, should I feel guilty that my girlfriend is a VP at Morgan-Chase?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Nope. Don’t blame your pathetic hang-ups on your girlfriend.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:58 AM

SERGEANTX


Finn, you're a real gem.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, it's definately a new spin on "stickin it to The Man" innit ?

No more than I feel guilty gettin it with a direct descendant of Charlemange, whos more recent ancestors no doubt owned slaves and massacred native americans.

Morgan is long dead, so are Chase, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Hughes, Flagler, Dupont, Durant - the folks who's socio-economic tinkering set these events in motion are long gone, right along with all those who owned slaves or participated in wanton slaughter on the natives.

I don't believe in blaming the sons and daughters for the sins of their ancestors, and certainly don't believe in laying blame to folks trying to make a living without evidence or admission that they're actively participating in deeds they know to be abusive/exploitive.

And those kind of policies are set by folks in back rooms in quiet little deals, then spread across all the white collar peons so they not only are incapable of putting the pieces together, but that the blame can be thrust upon them and shared out to anyone and everyone but the real decisionmakers - believe me, I know how it works.

So no, you shouldn't.

The only one of that crowd, that TYPE of crowd, still kickin is Kissinger... the devils very own imp, and probably only still alive cause hell won't take him for fear of a coup.


And the only newbie with anything like that kind of influence today is Gates, and he's a twerp, not a monster.

To feel guilt for your girlfriends employment is as silly as feeling guilt for filling your fuel tank - we didn't make this society, didn't ask to be born into it, and sure as hell ain't responsible for anything but our own lives and deeds.

The only person you have to answer to in the end, is the bleary-eyed freak staring back from the mirror every morning, and if you can do that without flinching, you're one up on me.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:20 AM

SERGEANTX


I suppose I just feel like I should be doing more to lure her to the dark side.

She's a techie and claims she doesn't have access to anything crucial. But frankly, I don't think she's trying.

Edit to add: Ironically, her uncle was Walter Reuther of UAW fame.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:13 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Finn, you're a real gem.

Yes, I am. And typically when someone is complaining because their wife or girlfriend is successful it is usually some pathetic hangup or another.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:18 PM

SERGEANTX


Actually VP's are dime a dozen at Morgan Chase, so it's hardly bragging. But she is a strong, intelligent woman and I'm pleased to say so. I was mostly riffing on the irony that she is in the middle of what I consider some of the most corrupt activity of our society. But if this threatens you or makes you jealous or whatever, well, I guess that's fun too.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:28 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Actually VP's are dime a dozen at Morgan Chase, so it's hardly bragging. But she is a strong, intelligent woman and I'm pleased to say so. I was mostly riffing on the irony that she is in the middle of what I consider some of the most corrupt activity of our society. But if this threatens you or makes you jealous or whatever, well, I guess that's fun too.

Why would it threaten me or make me jealous? I think it’s impressive. I would say that being a VP of a major financial firm is, in fact, a big bragging right. Perhaps you don’t give her enough credit or you allow your view of the financial situation to taint your view of your girlfriend's success, either way I think there are some pathetic hang-ups that you’re just not seeing or wanting to see.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:29 PM

SERGEANTX


Yup, a real gem.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:30 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Yup, a real gem.

Yeah, we've already concluded that.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:46 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
So, should I feel guilty that my girlfriend is a VP at Morgan-Chase?

SergeantX



Dunno. Is she paying you for sex and structuring bank transations to cover it up?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:57 PM

SERGEANTX


No comment.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:03 PM

FLETCH2


Sorry to say this but even if it isn't your intention it comes across like you have a problem with her success. For one thing how is she "the enemy?" I thought Anarchists where people people? When did working for someone make you less of a person? Then there is the whole "VP's are ten a penny" argument, you either don't really believe that and it's diminutive bragging, or you do in which case you view the years of hard work she's had to put in as worthless.

If you REALLY, have no problem with her success... you need to work on presentation.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Bah, mere curiosity and subtle humor mixed with covert braggin rights, all it is, learn to take a joke, folks.

Btw, Sarge is a Libertarian, not an Anarchist.

But yanno, imma workin on that.

-F

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:54 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
If you REALLY, have no problem with her success... you need to work on presentation.



I'll get to work on that right away. Can you recommend a good therapist?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:42 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Why would it threaten me or make me jealous? I think it’s impressive. I would say that being a VP of a major financial firm is, in fact, a big bragging right.

Ummm, uh, no.
Being a VP of a major financial firm, and still being able to be a functioning human being, so much so that she could snag the Sarge...well, yeah, that's a big bragging right.

Our company just lost a major player, he resigned. Know why? He was tired of being a professional prick. He was high paid, and good at it. He also was no genius.
Being in a well-paying position of some authority ain't no trick- just that most of us wanna keep our souls.
I could go on, but I feel like this point will be lost in the "So you're saying all well paid folk have no souls"-type response.
All I'm sayin' is that you choose where to focus your attention, and the Sarge's girl sounds like she found positive & atypical balance. THAT'S worth bragging about, not the dollars or the authority.

I'l brag about my son, though Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:54 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Why would it threaten me or make me jealous? I think it’s impressive. I would say that being a VP of a major financial firm is, in fact, a big bragging right.

Ummm, uh, no.
Being a VP of a major financial firm, and still being able to be a functioning human being, so much so that she could snag the Sarge...well, yeah, that's a big bragging right.

Our company just lost a major player, he resigned. Know why? He was tired of being a professional prick. He was high paid, and good at it. He also was no genius.
Being in a well-paying position of some authority ain't no trick- just that most of us wanna keep our souls.
I could go on, but I feel like this point will be lost in the "So you're saying all well paid folk have no souls"-type response.
All I'm sayin' is that you choose where to focus your attention, and the Sarge's girl sounds like she found positive & atypical balance. THAT'S worth bragging about, not the dollars or the authority.

I'l brag about my son, though Chrisisall

I disagree. Snagging Sarge, as it were, sounds like the least of her qualities. I’m pretty sure it didn’t take a lot of work on her part to do that. I think there is something to be said for any person who works hard to become successful in their career and I find it rather disappointing that some of you have such a poor view of success. Some people work hard and become successful; others sit around and complain about the success of other people because they’re too lazy to do anything about their own position in life.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I disagree. Snagging Sarge, as it were, sounds like the least of her qualities. I’m pretty sure it didn’t take a lot of work on her part to do that.

That dis seems beneath you, Finn
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I think there is something to be said for any person who works hard to become successful in their career and I find it rather disappointing that some of you have such a poor view of success.
Determination is the key, but some are determined to enjoy life, instead of working toward a point where they will have enough money to do so.
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Some people work hard and become successful; others sit around and complain about the success of other people because they’re too lazy to do anything about their own position in life.


I see hundreds of up-close examples of peeps that work hard, make an excellent living, and are unhappy as Hell. Their jobs own them.
Success comes in many forms, not just financial, and I feel badly for those whose measure of a good life is in dollars that they have no time to spend.

The Buddha in Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:09 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
If you REALLY, have no problem with her success... you need to work on presentation.



I'll get to work on that right away. Can you recommend a good therapist?

SergeantX



I'm afraid not, I don't have mental health issues. I'm British, where I come from being different is celebrated not medicated.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:16 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I disagree. Snagging Sarge, as it were, sounds like the least of her qualities. I’m pretty sure it didn’t take a lot of work on her part to do that.

That dis seems beneath you, Finn

Oh give me a break. It’s a fact and you know it.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Determination is the key, but some are determined to enjoy life, instead of working toward a point where they will have enough money to do so. … I see hundreds of up-close examples of peeps that work hard, make an excellent living, and are unhappy as Hell. Their jobs own them.
Success comes in many forms, not just financial, and I feel badly for those whose measure of a good life is in dollars that they have no time to spend.

That’s a hippy bullshit cop-out. Just because someone is successful doesn’t mean they are unhappy. In fact, success more often then not comes with happiness. But regardless of your assessment of someone happiness, the fact is that success is usually achieved only through hard work and dedication, which I would argue are admirable qualities.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:30 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
That dis seems beneath you, Finn



I don't think there's much beneath him at this point.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s a hippy bullshit cop-out.

No...that's observation of real-world peeps.
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Just because someone is successful doesn’t mean they are unhappy.
The key to understanding what I said is that successful does not mean financially well-off. That can be part of it, but cannot be defined by it, in my hippy bullshit cop-out mind.
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In fact, success more often then not comes with happiness.
There ya go- agreement- happy peeps are more often 'successful', it's just that 'successful' peeps are not always happy.
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But regardless of your assessment of someone happiness, the fact is that success is usually achieved only through hard work and dedication, which I would argue are admirable qualities.


I would argue that Saddam worked hard and with some dedication to be a successful evil dictator.
But was he admirable for it?
& wuz he happy...?

isall

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:33 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Storymark:
I don't think there's much beneath him at this point.

Hahaha. I gotta go with that. The last time I saw Finn with a sense of humor was Homemade Australian. He's in a snide and bitter mood these days.

I agree with Frem that people can't help the way the world is set up. Hell, I'm libertarian, but my husband used to work as a govt scientist. I agree with Chris about success and happiness; sometimes success just costs too damn much.

Now Sarge, even if she the VP at Monsanto, you'd still have nothing to feel guilty about. Cause in the end, YOU'RE not the one doing anything wrong. Even if she weren't the best person in the world (not saying that--just even if), I don't think it is ever wrong to love. And she is a lot more than just a VP of some company. You know?

Just my two cents.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:41 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
No more than I feel guilty gettin it with a direct descendant of Charlemange, whos more recent ancestors no doubt owned slaves and massacred native americans.

I'm gettin it with a descendant of the Adams family (of the Alien and Sedition Acts fame). But on the bright side, I suppose one can say he comes by his revolutionary tendencies honestly.



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If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have paradise in a few years.
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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:52 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The last time I saw Finn with a sense of humor was Homemade Australian. He's in a snide and bitter mood these days.


I think we can all agree that I've had my dark & angry moments on here too...maybe Finn's under too much stress bein' successful & all...

Not throwing a stone Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:54 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I would argue that Saddam worked hard and with some dedication to be a successful evil dictator.
But was he admirable for it?

Why not? As far as I’m concerned Saddam Hussein get’s a A+ for effort. It wasn’t his dedication I had a problem with - it was the evil dictator part.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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the fact is that success is usually achieved only through hard work and dedication, which I would argue are admirable qualities.

Hard work and dedication might get food on your table, and your bills paid, sometimes not even that (See Also: Browncoat Truckers) but in our current society real success means being born to the right set of parents.

The rest is prettymuch a stupid myth to encourage folk to work-work-work-die while producing another generation to do the same so the entrenched "successful" don't have to do the dirty work of enriching themselves.

It's the "You too can be rich!" of an infomercial combined with a social system setup to prevent it by keeping that carrot on a stick always just a little out of reach.

Merry little hamsters spinning the wheels for their masters, and never looking outside cause if they do they might see the cage walls.

Just remember, Morlocks consider Eloi a potential food product.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
I'm afraid not, I don't have mental health issues. I'm British, where I come from being different is celebrated not medicated.



You for real or you just sayin' that Fletch?

A land where nobody is taking pills to ease the pain of living is enough to make me consider moving to the UK, that is.... if it weren't Big Brother's birthplace.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:14 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Yup, a real gem.

Yeah, we've already concluded that.



Nice that SergeantX agrees with us.

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:40 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It's the "You too can be rich!" of an infomercial combined with a social system setup to prevent it by keeping that carrot on a stick always just a little out of reach.

It took me a long time to see this. Then one day it suddenly dawned on me that being successful in our society means living comfortably as a slave, as opposed to living uncomfortably. They've got us so focused on earning creature comforts that we have forgotten main problem--we're all slaves.

Remember that movie, Running Man, with Arnie? Everyone wanted that lottery ticket of "winning" the competition. They even have fabricated pictures of "winners" so competitors would have hope. Meanwhile, not a one of them could step back enough to see the whole thing is rigged so that nobody could ever win.

We're all Running Man fodder, and most of us don't know it.

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A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation.
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Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I would argue that Saddam worked hard and with some dedication to be a successful evil dictator.
But was he admirable for it?

Why not? As far as I’m concerned Saddam Hussein get’s a A+ for effort. It wasn’t his dedication I had a problem with - it was the evil dictator part.


MY POINT FINN (you love to take the wind out of my sails, don't you)is that if a misguided piece of go-se like Saddam can have those qualities, anyone can, pretty much.
Here's three stories from close personal friends:

One wanted to be in movies, so he focused on it and never gave up- he's currently a successful stuntman/coordinator in Hollywood (Happy albeit not financially well-off).

One wanted to be in the money, so she made her way to the executive level in Tinsel Town (She became extremely financially successful but was miserable; she gave up that life to become a nurse (HUGE pay-cut)& do something that matters- now she's happy).

One wanted to be an eternal student, he stayed in school, got mad degrees, fell into a job making great money in a field most would envy (not happy).

These are examples of successes, and as you see, the financial is a small part of happy, so it is not a valid yardstick of success, except in the very narrowest view.
Like in the way that a great sidekick does not make a great martial artist.






Well, that dead horse is beat Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
It took me a long time to see this. --we're all slaves.


It is the nature of Human society that the masses serve the few.
However, slavery in this day & age is arguably the most comfortable in history...

Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:11 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I would argue that Saddam worked hard and with some dedication to be a successful evil dictator.
But was he admirable for it?

Why not? As far as I’m concerned Saddam Hussein get’s a A+ for effort. It wasn’t his dedication I had a problem with - it was the evil dictator part.


MY POINT FINN (you love to take the wind out of my sails, don't you)is that if a misguided piece of go-se like Saddam can have those qualities, anyone can, pretty much.

So because Saddam Hussein was a hardworker that means that hardworking is evil? Condemning all hardworkers as evil dictators is pretty harsh. Basically you’re comparing serg’s girlfirend or anyone who has enjoyed financial success from their career, to Saddam Hussein. And that’s a pathetic hang-up, if I hever heard one.

Secondly, this stuff about financial success is something you pull out of your ass. No one, but you, has limited success in this discussion to only financial.

Thirdly, there is nothing wrong with being financially successful. And this stuff about people who are financially successful are miserable is more hippy crap. Most people who are financially successful are probably quite happy with that success.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Until the real bill comes due, sure they are.

"Eat the rich, yeah eat the rich
Don't you know that life is a bitch
Eat the rich, yeah eat the rich
Out of the palace and into the ditch!"

-Krokus

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:12 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So because Saddam Hussein was a hardworker that means that hardworking is evil? Condemning all hardworkers as evil dictators is pretty harsh.

Yes, that's exactly what I said *Coughstrawman*
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Basically you’re comparing serg’s girlfirend or anyone who has enjoyed financial success from their career, to Saddam Hussein.
Again, precisely what I meant *Coughstrawmanstrawman*
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Secondly, this stuff about financial success is something you pull out of your ass. No one, but you, has limited success in this discussion to only financial.

Sorry, I forgot the prestige & authority...that is a worthy ambition, to have other's envy, and be able to tell folks what to do.
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Thirdly, there is nothing wrong with being financially successful.

In and of itself , no.
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And this stuff about people who are financially successful are miserable is more hippy crap. Most people who are financially successful are probably quite happy with that success.


Happy with that success, but that success shouldn't be what makes you happy, or you'd be in sad shape.
But whatever, some people juggle geese.

Obviously a retro-hippy Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:15 AM

CHRISISALL


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Until the real bill comes due, sure they are.


Like Jack Burton says, the check's in the mail.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:18 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So because Saddam Hussein was a hardworker that means that hardworking is evil? Condemning all hardworkers as evil dictators is pretty harsh.

Yes, that's exactly what I said *Coughstrawman*
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Basically you’re comparing serg’s girlfirend or anyone who has enjoyed financial success from their career, to Saddam Hussein.
Again, precisely what I meant *Coughstrawmanstrawman*

I’m not arguing a strawman, at all. And it is what you said. Whether it is what you meant, I don’t know, but it is what you said. Now I think it is what you meant. I think deep down, you really think that people who are financially successful are no better, in your mind, then Saddam Hussein. I think that is really shitty point of view, and I hope you’ll have the courage to change that point of view instead of blaming me for it, because it is in fact a form of prejudice. Now it may be prejudice towards people who’s financial well-being means they can afford not to give a damn what you think, but it doesn’t make the argument any less prejudice. And it is insulting when you start throwing around Saddam Hussein as a comparison to those of us whose hard-work and dedication has paid off financially.

My family is mostly blue-collar. Many of them are very successful and very happy with their lives, but they are not financially well off - they work paycheck to paycheck. They struggle to pay bills, and they often don’t have a lot of resources left over at the end of the month, but they still find reason to enjoy themselves. And they always make ends meet and do so because they work hard to make it happen - and they should be proud of that.

Some however are not happy with their lives. They haven’t been successful - in most cases, because they are lazy or dependent. Take my dad for instance. He is not happy with his life - he’s an alcoholic. He’s never tried to be successful in his life - he could have been, but the alcohol was more important to him and now he’s too old to do anything about it. My cousin is a 40 year old unemployed drug addict. He’s never been successful with his life either and he‘s not happy unless he‘s doped up. My sister got knocked up and dropped out of the Navy. She’s now trying to raise a child on her own with very little income and no ambition for anything in her life. She’s not happy. However, she’s not addicted to anything. She’s just lazy. So I have high hopes that she will sooner-or-later develop some kind of ambition for a better life.

A few of us, those that went to college (for the most part), make enough to money to be considered financially successful - none of us are unhappy. We all enjoy our lives to a large degree because our lives are easier since we have money. Financial success is not the only way to be happy, but it sure as hell makes it easier. At the end of the month, we have money to take the kids to Florida and enjoy the beach or to Italy and enjoy the culture or take dance lessons - which can be upwards of $400-$500 a month. We live more enjoyable lives because our success paid off financially. None of us are evil dictators - surprisingly - and none of us had anything handed to us and none of us have any reason to apologize for our success. But there is no doubt that it is much easier to be happy if you have money - that’s pretty much a fact.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:40 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’m not arguing a strawman, at all. And it is what you said. Whether it is what you meant, I don’t know, but it is what you said. Now I think it is what you meant. I think deep down, you really think that people who are financially successful are no better, in your mind, then Saddam Hussein.

Silly silly British man.
My son goes to a private school for the gifted (no X-Men jokes please), so I know the value of an extra buck or two at the end of the month- I just have issues with peeps putting a $ amount on their 'happiness'. My Saturn works, do I need an Acura? No. Do I need a Delorean?....well...a Delorean......
I could have a better (read: higher paying) job, a nicer ride, and a bigger house, and practically never see my family....sorry, not my thing. Folks that can balance getting a large income with the rest of their lives get my kudos, it's just I see way too many in this neck of the woods killin' themselves to earn big bucks & be borderline miserable.
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And it is insulting when you start throwing around Saddam Hussein as a comparison to those of us whose hard-work and dedication has paid off financially.
Just sayin' that workin' hard & dedication ain't no big thang- everybody does it on some level- hell, my Dad was a pretty hard working & dedicated alcoholic at one point in his life- it's where you decide to focus you energies that count IMO.
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there is no doubt that it is much easier to be happy if you have money - that’s pretty much a fact.


I'd agree, but I'd change it slightly: It's much easier to be happy if you have enough money.

No work-y or over-work-y ain't good for children & other living things.

All's I'm sayin' Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:14 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Sarge,

It's okay that she works for the enemy. I have a feeling any woman moved to hang on to you would be a woman that wasn't inherently bad. She's probably a veep in some area where they aren't screwing people. It's better to keep a happy person in an evil org than not have her there. She can lend balance to her coworkers and the decisions made by the evil org. She's essential, you might say.


...I also have a feeling that her great success and intelligence was one of the things that attracted you. The legs were just a bonus.




---
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:37 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Just sayin' that workin' hard & dedication ain't no big thang- everybody does it on some level- .

Spoken like someone who has obviously never met my sister or my brother. I know a good number of people for whom hard work and dedication are at the bottom of their To-Do list.

Anyway I doesn't seem like we’re talking about the same thing.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:04 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:


Anyway I doesn't seem like we’re talking about the same thing.


Possibly. Cool.

'Way' better'n a plan (tm) Chrisisall

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