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Resolution For Impeachment

POSTED BY: OUT2THEBLACK
UPDATED: Thursday, June 12, 2008 18:38
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:24 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


PDF File of House Record :


http://www.c-span.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf

Begins near bottom of page one.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:19 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
PDF File of House Record :


http://www.c-span.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf

Begins near bottom of page one.


He does one of these every year.

Helps remind us all that he is a silly little man.

H

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:51 AM

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:25 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
PDF File of House Record :


http://www.c-span.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf

Begins near bottom of page one.


He does one of these every year.

H



He may get some traction this year...In view of everything else that is going on.

Per your point , it should also be noted that Mr. Bush issues 'Executive Orders' every year...

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:50 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
PDF File of House Record :


http://www.c-span.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf

Begins near bottom of page one.


He does one of these every year.

Helps remind us all that he is a silly little man.

H



Interesting take...I spot-read the portion in question and the interpretation that came unbidden to me was more along the lines of "lone voice of something approaching truth and justice crying out futilely in the Capital Hill wilderness"...and an accompanying visual of that poster with the rodent presenting The Finger to the bird of prey that's about to swoop down on him and, if not utterly devour him, then at least ignore and marginalize the living shit out of him.


It was all tiny men with big ears and hot wives tryin' to clear a path for Jeezus when we got here!...or not.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW


This was to be expected, so no big surprise here.
Approval ratings for the Pelosi/Reid Congress are lower than Bush's. They have not been able to get anything significant done in two years, so an impeachment proceeding is just the ticket....plus the Election is looming. It's a smart move by the Dems.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:54 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Per your point , it should also be noted that Mr. Bush issues 'Executive Orders' every year...


I think that there is a big difference between an Executive Order and Little Dennis's yearly tantrums.

For one thing...even the most insignifigant Executive Order has some measurable effect. All Kucinich ever does is kill trees.

H

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:01 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's a smart move by the Dems.


Its meaningless and only a handful of Dems would support a full hearing on the matter.

It would be great for the election season. Imagine all those commercials playing Pelosi's promise not to impeach the President. Questions of 'why now'. Barrack forced to support it (meaning he is part an parcel to a huge election year stunt with no real chance of success and which his party vowed not to partake and which they are pursuing instead of meaningful legislation). Meanwhile John McCain out there talking about how we are winning in Iraq and how we should put the past behind us and focus on getting things done from where we stand today.

If Barrack does not support it he loses the left wing of his party. If he does support it he loses the moderates and sees an otherwise lackluster Republican base suddenly get VERY interested in defeating anyone with a big (D).

So go for it. My prediction...this will be ignored, again.

H

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:35 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's a smart move by the Dems.


Its meaningless and only a handful of Dems would support a full hearing on the matter.

It would be great for the election season. Imagine all those commercials playing Pelosi's promise not to impeach the President. Questions of 'why now'. Barrack forced to support it (meaning he is part an parcel to a huge election year stunt with no real chance of success and which his party vowed not to partake and which they are pursuing instead of meaningful legislation). Meanwhile John McCain out there talking about how we are winning in Iraq and how we should put the past behind us and focus on getting things done from where we stand today.

If Barrack does not support it he loses the left wing of his party. If he does support it he loses the moderates and sees an otherwise lackluster Republican base suddenly get VERY interested in defeating anyone with a big (D).

So go for it. My prediction...this will be ignored, again.

H


Well, you're probably right.....but even as a publicity stunt by a few of them it will ultimately hurt McCain. They don't ever actually have to go through the formal process of impeachment, they can just continue on a daily basis to assertively convict Bush & Cheney of whatever transgressions they can think of; and their media allies will just spew it out as gospel. McCain needs to get ahead of this curve now, otherwise the badly damaged Repub brand will be too far gone.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
PDF File of House Record :


http://www.c-span.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf

Begins near bottom of page one.


He does one of these every year.

H



He may get some traction this year...In view of everything else that is going on.

Per your point , it should also be noted that Mr. Bush issues 'Executive Orders' every year...



What is going on this year that would warrant Moonbeam Kucinich's idiotic impeachment effort getting more traction ??

Please, do tell.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:01 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
What is going on this year that would warrant Moonbeam Kucinich's idiotic impeachment effort getting more traction ??


If you look cheap political stunt up on Wikipedia you'll see a picture of the Democratic National Committee.

I say we turn it around and impeach Kucinich.

I wonder which resolution will get more support?

H

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I dunno HERO, w/ friends like Grandfather Twilight, are you sure you want to even mess w/ Dennis ?




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 AM

RIGHTEOUS9


Jongstraw, your take is incorrect


Pelosi, along with most house members attempted to table the resolution that Kucinich brought forth impeaching Cheney...they don't like the idea, because they are only looking to the upcoming elections..

they don't want it to look politically motivated, so they'd prefer to let bygones be bygones, at least until after the election, at which point they really will stop looking back.

Approval rating for congress is bad,but dems are still poised to pick up more seats. All signs point to that...dems are banking that while approval ratings are low, most people accept taht it is because the democratic majority has still been stifled by the even split in the Senate, and that this only means they need more seats to be effective.

Their approval ratings are low in my circles precisely because they have not efforted to clean up washington in favor of political expedience. Add that to the economy they did inherit, and that explains why the whole branch is sucking with independants and middle of the roaders, and come on...repubs aren't in the majority so they aren't going to approve. That doesn't leave much. It was to be expected.

Dems are still approved of more than republicans at the moment, so the line of reasoning that this is staged is flawed.

Just to note, it wasn't voted on, it was sent away to the judiciary commitee again, just like the last one was after the repubs decided that they thought it would be embarassing for the dems if they voted against the tabling of the bill.

My take on why the Dems know this is dangerous territory, whether the man deserves to be impeached or not, (and incase you're wondering where I stand, he does), is because the Republicans have already succesfully turned the tool of impeachment into a device of partisanship. That means that regardless of the real reasons for impeachment, so long as nobody crosses party lines, it can be sold to the american people as a political stunt.

The Clinton impeachment succesfully innoculated Bush from such proceedings.

............

y the way, you seem a little less lock-step so I'm surprised you don't see any merit by now in impeachment proceedings against that man.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
If you look cheap political stunt up on Wikipedia you'll see a picture of the Democratic National Committee.

I say we turn it around and impeach Kucinich.

I wonder which resolution will get more support?

H



Weird... I looked it up, and it showed Bush standing on the deck of an aircraft carrier, in front of a big banner that said something or other was accomplished...


Are you REALLY sure you want to throw around smack about cheap political stunts? Your hero's last one has cost us more than 4100 American soldiers killed so far. I guess we shouldn't really call it "cheap" at three trillion dollars plus.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by deadlockvictim:





I love that he's playing Russian Roulette with an automatic... :)


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Approval ratings for the Pelosi/Reid Congress are lower than Bush's.


According to Hero, that just proves that they're doing something right!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Barrack forced to support it...




Probably not. Bush has no relevance any more; he's the lamest of ducks, and supporting this would only help him gain some semblance of relevance again.

Quote:

Meanwhile John McCain out there talking about how we are winning in Iraq and how we should put the past behind us...


I'm ready to put the past behind us. Let's start with McCain.

Quote:

If Barrack does not support it he loses the left wing of his party.

So go for it. My prediction...this will be ignored, again.



Obama's probably not going to lose the left wing of the party regardless of where he comes down on this one, but he could piss off a lot of people if he supports it. My prediction is the same as yours - it will be ignored, and in time, Bush will be one of those forgotten Presidents like Millard Fillmore or Rutherford B. Hayes, a mere footnote in history. Impeaching him would only help secure his place in history. He's done, he's gone, and we're all better off for it - the sooner, the better.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:44 PM

HKCAVALIER


Is no one, I mean, NO ONE concerned about letting these guys get away with it?

It took the criminals quite a while to recover from Watergate. If we don't put these away, that's just telling the next lot to push the envelope that much farther.

What is the point of having a rule of law, if we don't care about it?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


HK: Don't mistake my not wanting it to become an election-year stunt (for it surely would be seen as such) for not caring. I'm saying don't worry about IMPEACHING the guy. That's not the same as saying don't worry about prosecuting him and his cohorts after they're out of office and out of the limelight. Just do it more quietly, more persistently, and at such a time that it would be hard to make the case that it was all about "politics".




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:
Jongstraw, your take is incorrect


Pelosi, along with most house members attempted to table the resolution that Kucinich brought forth impeaching Cheney...they don't like the idea, because they are only looking to the upcoming elections..

they don't want it to look politically motivated, so they'd prefer to let bygones be bygones, at least until after the election, at which point they really will stop looking back.

Approval rating for congress is bad,but dems are still poised to pick up more seats. All signs point to that...dems are banking that while approval ratings are low, most people accept taht it is because the democratic majority has still been stifled by the even split in the Senate, and that this only means they need more seats to be effective.

Their approval ratings are low in my circles precisely because they have not efforted to clean up washington in favor of political expedience. Add that to the economy they did inherit, and that explains why the whole branch is sucking with independants and middle of the roaders, and come on...repubs aren't in the majority so they aren't going to approve. That doesn't leave much. It was to be expected.

Dems are still approved of more than republicans at the moment, so the line of reasoning that this is staged is flawed.

Just to note, it wasn't voted on, it was sent away to the judiciary commitee again, just like the last one was after the repubs decided that they thought it would be embarassing for the dems if they voted against the tabling of the bill.

My take on why the Dems know this is dangerous territory, whether the man deserves to be impeached or not, (and incase you're wondering where I stand, he does), is because the Republicans have already succesfully turned the tool of impeachment into a device of partisanship. That means that regardless of the real reasons for impeachment, so long as nobody crosses party lines, it can be sold to the american people as a political stunt.

The Clinton impeachment succesfully innoculated Bush from such proceedings.

............

y the way, you seem a little less lock-step so I'm surprised you don't see any merit by now in impeachment proceedings against that man.


Well Rightous, thank you for your civil and respectful disagreement with my post. The actual events that unfolded yesterday validate your points.

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:00 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird... I looked it up, and it showed Bush standing on the deck of an aircraft carrier, in front of a big banner that said something or other was accomplished...


Are you REALLY sure you want to throw around smack about cheap political stunts?


I note for the record that Bush did not make his historic landing on the carrier during an election year. I also note for the record that the carrier in question completed a successful deployment and accomplished its mission of supporting the successful invasion of Iraq.

While some people complain about the war's conduct it really has three phases (so far). Invasion...highly successful. Post invasion...not quite successful. Surge...highly successful. So from a military-historical perspective...the Iraq war is going quite well (in other words, you can't judge a war by the outcome of a single battle or campaign, imagine if we had simply given up and gone home after the disasterous Civil War campaigns in 1861, 1862, and 1863 or even following the horrific casaulty rates of 1864...or just called it off in Africa after getting our).

The next phase will be post-surge and the success of that will depend greatly on the next election since strategy options for the post-surge phase are so different between candidates (one wants to surrender, the other wants to win).

H

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:03 AM

ERIC


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:

It took the criminals quite a while to recover from Watergate. If we don't put these away, that's just telling the next lot to push the envelope that much farther.



Unfortunately that boat already sailed with Iran-Contra. This is the next lot.

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I note for the record that Bush did not make his historic landing on the carrier during an election year. I also note for the record that the carrier in question completed a successful deployment and accomplished its mission of supporting the successful invasion of Iraq.

While some people complain about the war's conduct it really has three phases (so far). Invasion...highly successful. Post invasion...not quite successful. Surge...highly successful. So from a military-historical perspective...the Iraq war is going quite well (in other words, you can't judge a war by the outcome of a single battle or campaign, imagine if we had simply given up and gone home after the disasterous Civil War campaigns in 1861, 1862, and 1863 or even following the horrific casaulty rates of 1864...or just called it off in Africa after getting our).

The next phase will be post-surge and the success of that will depend greatly on the next election since strategy options for the post-surge phase are so different between candidates (one wants to surrender, the other wants to win).




Two words: Bull and Shit.

So now it's your position that a cheap political stunt is ONLY such if it happpens during an election year?

I note for the record that Bush did not make "his historic landing on the carrier". He was chauffered. He wasn't the pilot, or anything like it. He was simply a passenger. He wanted it to LOOK like he was the "flyer in chief" but he wasn't. Also, I note for the record that it was purely a cheap political stunt. That ship, and those men and women aboard who had served so admirably, were kept less than 20 miles offshore and delayed there so that li'l Bush could make his "historic" landing. It was an utter waste, and nothing but a cheesy photo op.

Your assertion that he never meant that anything was accomplished but that single mission by those sailors and airmen is horseshit, too. His words: "Major combat operations in Iraq are over; in the battle of Iraq, the US has prevailed." He didn't say THIS mission by THIS ship and THESE servicemen and servicewomen is over - he said MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS ARE OVER, AND THE U.S. HAS PREVAILED. Ya know... just so's you can note it for the record.

Your assumption about "phases" in a never-ending war is... well, the word "quaint" comes to mind. You don't have any idea what's coming, what's happened so far, or where it might take us. Your "highly successful" surge? Even General Petraeus says it's too soon to know if the surge has worked at all. He keeps saying he needs six more months to have any idea if it's working at all.

As for the cheap shot you try to level at one of the candidates, I'd note for the record that one of them actually HAS a record of surrender, having done so and been taken prisoner in a previous war in which his country and its Republican leadership also surrendered.

For the record, though, what EXACTLY constitutes a "win" in Iraq in your book? Lay it out. What metrics do we need to meet to claim victory? Less casualties? Fewer attacks? Every single person in the country dead? What is it that makes a "win"? Tell me, so I'll know when we've won.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:45 AM

ELVISCHRIST


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Invasion...highly successful. Post invasion...not quite successful. Surge...highly successful.


Post invasion "not quite successful"? So how was the Challenger launch, Mister NASA Guy? "Not quite successful."

Other than that, how was the show, Mrs. Lincoln?

Other than that, how was Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?

EC/TCB

"I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat-" - King Crimson, Indiscipline

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:16 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Invasion...highly successful. Post invasion...not quite successful. Surge...highly successful.


Post invasion "not quite successful"? So how was the Challenger launch, Mister NASA Guy? "Not quite successful."

Other than that, how was the show, Mrs. Lincoln?

Other than that, how was Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?

EC/TCB

"I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat-" - King Crimson, Indiscipline


That's quite a riot! "Not quite successful" Har har hardee har har! You left out comparisons of scale to :
Hitler's invasion of Russia
Colts results in Super Bowl 3
People who bought Betamax
Honeymooners in Hawaii on 12/7/41
etc.
Actually it was immensely successful from a looter's or roadside bomb placer's or a head cutter-offer's perspective.




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Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:36 PM

PIRATENEWS

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35 Articles of Impeachment filed in Congress against George W Bush this week. It took Rep Dennis Kucinich 5 hours to read the entire indictment:


http://cspanjunkie.org/?p=158
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=93581
www.infowars.com/?p=2654

Quote:



"Your enemy is not surrounding your country – your enemy is ruling your country. This dictator, who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons, has already used them on whole villages – leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained – by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning."
—George Bush Jr, State of the Union Address 2003
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/stateoftheunion2003.html

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
-George W Bush



"If Bush, in fact, intentionally misled this nation into war, what is the proper punishment for him? Since many Americans routinely want criminal defendants to be executed for murdering only one person, if we weren't speaking of the president of the United States as the defendant here, to discuss anything less than the death penalty for someone responsible for over 100,000 deaths would on its face seem ludicrous.** But we are dealing with the president of the United States here. On the other hand, the intensity of rage against Bush in America has been such (it never came remotely this close with Clinton because, at bottom, there was nothing of any real substance to have any serious rage against him for) that if I heard it once I heard it ten times that "someone should put a bullet in his head." In any event, if an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, one of their options being the imposition of the death penalty. Even assuming, at this point, that Bush is criminally responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people [sic - 2.5-million by Bush Sr and Clinton] in the Iraq war, under federal law he could only be prosecuted for the deaths of the 4,000 American soldiers [sic - over 80,000] killed in the [18-year] war. No American court would have jurisdiction to prosecute him for the one hundred and some thousand Iraqi deaths since these victims not only were not Americans, but they were killed in a foreign nation, Iraq. Despite their nationality, if they had been killed here in the States, there would of course be jurisdiction. As governor of Texas, Bush had the highest execution rate of any governor in American history: He was a very strong proponent of the death penalty who even laughingly mocked a condemned young woman who begged him to spare her life ("Please don't kill me," Bush mimicked her in a magazine interview with journalist Tucker Carlson). In Bush's two terms as Texas governor, he signed death warrants for an incredible 152 out of 153 executions against convicted murderers, the majority of whom only killed one single person. The only death sentence Bush commuted was for one of the many murders that mass murderer Henry Lucas had been convicted of."
-Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder, May 2008
www.ProsecutionOfBush.com
www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/09/8834/


Dick "Tater" Cheney is next




Bush ancestor Thomas Percy's head is still on a stick in British Parliament in 2006

V FOR VENDETTA FOR REAL: Bush family's terrorism in Gunpowder Plot to bomb British Parliament


www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/parliamentar
y_archives/gunpowder_plot_400_pow.cfm




"There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater... the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public. You can't stop the signal."
-Mr Universe, Serenity

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:02 PM

KWICKO

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PN: While we may have our differences, thanks for the quote from Bugliosi's book. It looks like it might be quite a read.

Mike

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:14 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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Actually it was immensely successful from a looter's or roadside bomb placer's or a head cutter-offer's perspective.



Or from a defense contractor's or paramilitary organization's perspective...

EC/TCB

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Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:33 PM

ERIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
PN: While we may have our differences, thanks for the quote from Bugliosi's book. It looks like it might be quite a read.



He was just on Mike Malloy's show tonight. Turns out he's the guy who prosecuted Charles Manson. Figures.


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Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:38 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Eric:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
PN: While we may have our differences, thanks for the quote from Bugliosi's book. It looks like it might be quite a read.



He was just on Mike Malloy's show tonight. Turns out he's the guy who prosecuted Charles Manson. Figures.




Yeah, that's what I most remember him for.

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