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Ronald Reagan, inexperienced celebrity

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Monday, August 4, 2008 9:42 AM

KHYRON





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Monday, August 4, 2008 11:13 AM

RIVERLOVE


Reagan was a 2-term Governor of the 2nd most populous state at the time. He had 8 years of "executive" experience. He was quite "seasoned" as a conservative politician and an effective communicator when he became President. Reagan was President when he went to Berlin and made speeches, not like the over-confident and arrogant Obama.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 11:32 AM

KHYRON


So how much experience in foreign policy did he have?

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Monday, August 4, 2008 11:38 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Whoops.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:26 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
So how much experience in foreign policy did he have?


He had political positions consistent with the Party on Int'l. issues. Even as Governor, he often orated on foreign policy situations. He came to the White House with the same actual experience that most Presidents have had, as a Governor, like Carter, Clinton, Roosevelt etc.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 2:41 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
So how much experience in foreign policy did he have?

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Seems like the memo has gone out from the Obama HQ, as I saw this exact subject posted on another message board.

As 2 term Governor of a giant state which shares a border with Mexico, Reagan had a hell of a lot more experience than Obama. For those who don't know, California has major international shipping ports, air ports and an economy which ranks among the top economies in the WORLD. And don't forget that Reagan also served, twice ,as President of the Screen Actors Guild, a large labor union . Say what you want, but it's not mere figurehead position,and far more of a leadership role than that of 'community activist' .



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Monday, August 4, 2008 7:29 PM

KHYRON


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seems like the memo has gone out from the Obama HQ, as I saw this exact subject posted on another message board.

Wouldn't know anything about that, but it was on Kos, which is where I saw it.

Anyway, thanks for agreeing with me that Reagan didn't have experience in foreign policy. It's weird that it's a mandatory requirement in this election.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:35 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seems like the memo has gone out from the Obama HQ, as I saw this exact subject posted on another message board.

Wouldn't know anything about that, but it was on Kos, which is where I saw it.

Anyway, thanks for agreeing with me that Reagan didn't have experience in foreign policy. It's weird that it's a mandatory requirement in this election.




" ...but it was on Kos" .

Yeah, Obama HQ, same thing.

Your reading skills clearly need some work. First, I never agreed w/ you that Reagan didn't have ANY experience in Foreign policy. What's that even mean, anyways? In fact, I stated much of the opposite. And what ever Reagan had, as Governor of California, he's got far more than Obama has now.

Second, where's it writ that it's mandatory to have more of this 'experience' in this election?



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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... Obama is no Reagan....

Maybe closer to Bonzo....

Uh Oh... Somebody arrest me. I just committed a verbal hate crime

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:43 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, Obama HQ, same thing.

Definitely not. You should've seen how they reacted when Obama didn't oppose FISA. It wasn't pretty.
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Your reading skills clearly need some work. First, I never agreed w/ you that Reagan didn't have ANY experience in Foreign policy. What's that even mean, anyways? In fact, I stated much of the opposite. And what ever Reagan had, as Governor of California, he's got far more than Obama has now.
You agreed with me by not disagreeing with me. When you don't disagree with somebody not on the right, it's the closest that person can get to an agreement with you, so I took it in that vein. And you didn't disagree with me because you argued that Reagan had (executive) experience, but you didn't argue that he had foreign policy experience. Unless you were arguing that a governor of a border state automatically has enough foreign policy experience to be president and take on the USSR, which would be an absolutely laughable argument on your part, that's why I'm sure you didn't make it.
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Second, where's it writ that it's mandatory to have more of this 'experience' in this election?
I was hoping that you could tell me why having foreign policy experience is so mandatory all of a sudden. One of the main bitching points of the right is that Obama doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to be president (which is one of the reasons why he felt compelled to go on a foreign tour). So I'm a little unclear how Obama's lack of foreign policy experience is totally unacceptable whereas Reagan's lack of foreign policy experience was apparently just fine with the right.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:56 AM

CHRISISALL


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First, I never agreed w/ you that Reagan didn't have ANY experience in Foreign policy. What's that even mean, anyways?

Nothing AU, nothing at all.
Dems & Libs are communist robots anyway- why argue with them? They all want the same thing- the Earth to be as it was at the end of Beneath The Planet Of The Apes, errrr, even if it WAS a conservative that pushed the crystal down in the flick...

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:04 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Dems & Libs are communist robots anyway- why argue with them? They all want the same thing- the Earth to be as it was at the end of Beneath The Planet Of The Apes

Well, you didn't need to tell him about our master plan! Great, so now he knows. Guess we need to come up with something new now ...

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:34 AM

RIGHTEOUS9


what was good about Reagan again?

as in,

God I hope Obama is no Reagan

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:14 AM

ELVISCHRIST


It should be noted that it was pointed out by the right - EXTENSIVELY - when W was running for office, that the President or a candidate didn't need to have experience in foreign relations, because he'd be so smart he'd hire the right people for those positions.

It would seem that if your candidate DOESN'T have experience, then experience isn't important. If he DOES have experience (and exactly how many treaties has McCane negotiated, anyhow?), then it's the ONLY thing that's imnportant.

Ironic, innit?

E (TCB)



If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:43 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Hey, McCain has lots of foreign policy know-how; that's why he's so worried about current affairs in Czechoslovakia, and along the Iraq-Pakistan border.

Where did the man get his geography training from, a "Risk" set?

Still, I firmly believe that John McCain can make this nation what it once was. An arctic region, covered in a fifty-foot sheath of ice. . .

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:23 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:
what was good about Reagan again?

as in,

God I hope Obama is no Reagan



Reagan was only the greatest President of the 20th Century, that's what.

To compare Obama to Reagan is a complete joke and is such a phony, absurd exercise as to be a true waste of time.



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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:44 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Reagan was only the greatest President of the 20th Century, that's what.


Reagan was an excellent TV President...but let's not forget that he set Ollie North loose to wreak havoc on Central America with full Presidential Deniablity. He was the top Drug Lord of Presidents- no one has come close. His training dudes in Nicaragua taught some of the sickest methods of torture & terrorism the US was ever directly connected with.
This really IS 'covered in blood, but not touching it'.
He's your hero, eh? Right up there with Christopher Columbus & Manuel Noreaga, I guess.

Ypou're SO comfortably dis-connected, AU.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Hey, McCain has lots of foreign policy know-how; that's why he's so worried about current affairs in Czechoslovakia, and along the Iraq-Pakistan border.

Where did the man get his geography training from, a "Risk" set?

Still, I firmly believe that John McCain can make this nation what it once was. An arctic region, covered in a fifty-foot sheath of ice. . .

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn



He got his geography lessons from Miss Teen South Carolina - she of the "U.S. Americans" and "the Iraq", therefore, such as...




Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Reagan was only the greatest President of the 20th Century, that's what.



Yeah, FDR couldn't hold a candle to him; after all, all he did was end the Great Depression, set us on the course to winning WWII, and get himself elected FOUR TIMES.

What an amateur.




Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 3:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Reagan was only the greatest President of the 20th Century, that's what.


Reagan was an excellent TV President...but let's not forget that he set Ollie North loose to wreak havoc on Central America with full Presidential Deniablity. He was the top Drug Lord of Presidents- no one has come close. His training dudes in Nicaragua taught some of the sickest methods of torture & terrorism the US was ever directly connected with.
This really IS 'covered in blood, but not touching it'.
He's your hero, eh? Right up there with Christopher Columbus & Manuel Noreaga, I guess.

Ypou're SO comfortably dis-connected, AU.

isall



Variableisall, , you watch too much t.v. The commies are really bad MF's. The guys we were fighting are the same ilk who kidnapped folks in Columbia, the FARC bastards, who your little buddy, Hugo Chavez, is funding. They are the torturers, not US. I'm so god damn fucking tired of you anti - American assholes who keep painting us as the bad guys when we're simply FIGHTING the bad guys. They don't play nice, so you expect us to tell the ones fighting them to have pillow fights and invite them to braiding parties ?

FU IS ALL

God damn you and your revisionist, distorted propaganda.



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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Hey, Chris - you pissed off another world-hating, America-first-middle-and-only swine!

You win!

Sorry. Couldn't resist playing by 'Rappy's own rules.




Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Variableisall, , you watch too much t.v. The commies are really bad MF's. The guys we were fighting are the same ilk who kidnapped folks in Columbia, the FARC bastards, who your little buddy, Hugo Chavez, is funding. They are the torturers, not US. I'm so god damn fucking tired of you anti - American assholes who keep painting us as the bad guys when we're simply FIGHTING the bad guys. They don't play nice, so you expect us to tell the ones fighting them to have pillow fights and invite them to braiding parties ?

FU IS ALL

God damn you and your revisionist, distorted propaganda.



Not that funding Hugo Chavez will stop you from buying as much Venezuelan oil as you can get your greedy little fingers on.

We're "simply FIGHTING the bad guys", so in your book that makes it okay for us to BE the bad guys, huh? You've just insinuated that they're the bad ones, so if we do the exact same things to them that they'd do to us, wouldn't that also make US the baddies?

Morals are flexible for "real" patriots, I guess...




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:04 AM

ARCLIGHT


Quote:

...Wouldn't know anything about that, but it was on Kos, which is where I saw it.



that explains the part about your brain being missing.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:18 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm so god damn fucking tired of you anti - American assholes who keep painting us as the bad guys when we're simply FIGHTING the bad guys.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua#Sandinistas_and_the_Contras
Read the nice version there...
http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2006/torture_death_and_nicara
gua.htm

That's the hard-to-read version...nice little Contras, eh? Our guys trained 'em...
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They don't play nice, so you expect us to tell the ones fighting them to have pillow fights and invite them to braiding parties ?
It must be nice to live in your world where might is right & no fault is ever ours.
Tell me AU- do you have to be on some kind of medication to keep believing all that dear & fluffy nonsense?
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FU IS ALL

God damn you and your revisionist, distorted propaganda.


Half of writing history is hiding the truth, and then having idiots like yourself repeat it to others as if it were the whole story.

isall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:11 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by arclight:
that explains the part about your brain being missing.

Yep. So what's the explanation for your brain being missing?

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, Chris - you pissed off another world-hating, America-first-middle-and-only swine!


It's what I do, dude. It's what I do.

isall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Not that funding Hugo Chavez will stop you from buying as much Venezuelan oil as you can get your greedy little fingers on.




Nice try. Except you overlooked 1 thing.I never buy gas from Citgo gas stations.



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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:35 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Nice try. Except you overlooked 1 thing.


And you overlooked this, right?
http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2006/torture_death_and_nicara
gua.htm


C'mon- let's hear how this is a lefty lie or something...

Tell us again how there's no way we could in any way be connected to this kind of atrocity..

Challenging Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 9:11 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2006/torture_death_and_nicara
gua.htm


C'mon- let's hear how this is a lefty lie or something...

Oooh, I'll try:

* channels AURaptor *

Let's look at the domain name, "The WE". "WE" sounds a lot like "Wii", so this is clearly some 30-year-old Obama-supporting virgin who spends all of his free time, which must be all the time since he probably doesn't have a job, playing on his Nintendo Wii, and childishly naming his website after a silly gaming console.

Now let's look at top-level domain name, "cc". Not much needs to be said here, there's only one thing that cc can stand for: Cyber Communist. So this America-hating terrorist not only wastes all of his time on his Wii, he also spends all of his time lurking on the internet and spreading communism! In Reagan's day, this guy would've been secretly sent to Nicaragua and executed by firing squad! Oh, how I long for those days!

And we all know that Carter was solely responsible for Iran-Contra. And also Clinton.

* stops channeling *

Whoa, I feel dizzy ...

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 9:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:

* stops channeling *

Whoa, I feel dizzy ...


Once you begin down the duh path, forever will it dominate your density.



isall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:22 AM

CHRISISALL


AURaptor is speechless- I'll take that as an inability to refute the opinion that Reagan was the one that made much of the horrors in Nicaragua possible- not the act of one of our 'best' Presidents.

Unless I hear otherwise, I'm glad you're beginning in some small way to accept the truth in this matter.

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA


You know, Ollie North might have been an A-1 creep, but unlike our current political types he did have a certain honor about him.

He took his orders, took the money, and he *stayed bought* - I can respect that even if I have utterly no respect for what he did.

-F

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Nice try. Except you overlooked 1 thing.I never buy gas from Conoco gas stations.



Better never buy from BP, Chevron, or Citgo, either.

And ConocoPhilips has been exiled from drilling agreements with the Venezuelan national oil companies. They DO refine some Venezuelan heavy crude at their Sweeny, Texas refinery, but they're not allowed to drill or operate on Venezuela's oil fields.




Mike

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You know, Ollie North might have been an A-1 creep, but unlike our current political types he did have a certain honor about him.

He took his orders, took the money, and he *stayed bought* - I can respect that even if I have utterly no respect for what he did.

-F



Actually, I could say the same about G Gordon Liddy. It doesn't make me like him any better, though.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

AURaptor is speechless-


And once again, that means YOU WIN!

:)

Mike

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:36 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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AURaptor is speechless-


And once again, that means YOU WIN!


*Does the Snoopy Dance*

Hehhehisall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 3:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Nice try. Except you overlooked 1 thing.I never buy gas from Citgo gas stations.



Better never buy from BP, Chevron, or Citgo, either.

Mike




I meantCitgo, not Conoco.



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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 3:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
AURaptor is speechless- I'll take that as an inability to refute the opinion that Reagan was the one that made much of the horrors in Nicaragua possible- not the act of one of our 'best' Presidents.

Unless I hear otherwise, I'm glad you're beginning in some small way to accept the truth in this matter.

Chrisisall




I failed to respond because you idiots are hopelessly brainwashed. Reagan didn't make ANY horrors possible, he only allowed for people to fight the evil of Communism. Those folks are who they are, and whether we gave them aid or not, they were going to fight as best they could. Whether its in Central America or Afghanistan, people will natually reject communism, and fight for freedom, if given half a chance. HOW they chose to fight is up to them.



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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I meantCitgo, not Conoco.



Well, you better have meant BOTH - Conoco doesn't DRILL in Chavez's "worker's paradise" (hah!), but they do indeed buy and refine Venezuelan crude.

Now, I suppose in light of this, we should immediately stop importing oil from Venezuela (we get about 11.5% of our oil from them currently, from what I've read) and switch over to something else. Problem is, a great number of the Gulf Coast refineries are geared to this "extra-heavy" crude from Venezuela, and would have to be refitted and reconfigured to deal with light sweet crude from the Mid-East or Africa, or reconfigured even more to deal with the sulfur-and water-laden crude from the Gulf of Mexico and the states on the gulf.

And that is something that no oil company really wants to do. And no city, no state, has stepped forward to volunteer to have new refineries built. Nobody wants them in their backyard. So even if we started drilling on every square acre of the United States, what are we going to do with the oil we find?

So while we may officially hate Venezuela and all they stand for, we're going to continue to line their pockets, and we'd give them more money if they'd give us more oil. And the same goes for Iran and literally everywhere else in the world that has oil - no matter their politics or our "ideals".




Mike

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I failed to respond because you idiots are hopelessly brainwashed. Reagan didn't made ANY horrors possible, he only allowed for people to fight the evil of Communism. Those folks are who they are, and whether we gave them aid or not, they were going to fight as best they could. Whether its in Central America or Afghanistan, people will natually reject communism, and fight for freedom, if given half a chance. HOW they chose to fight is up to them.



And yet, you responded, although you apparently find doing so to be beneath you.

They were going to fight as best they could... so we just HAD to make it all the easier for them, no matter what means they decided to use. Oddly, this kind of logic never seems to get much sympathy when we talk about the War on Drugs. "Those people" are going to do drugs as best they can, so why not just legalize the drugs and give them to the addicts?

This logic reminds me of the good old Reagan/Contra days, when Congress decreed that only food and humanitarian aid, and not weapons, could be given to the Contras. So in effect, what Reagan's boys did was say, "Here ya go, Poncho - here's a TV dinner... and 385,000 pounds of C4 to heat it with!"




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Mmmmm.....t.v dinner



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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 6:25 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


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Reagan didn't made ANY horrors possible,
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Yeah cause he was too busy declaring ketchup to be a vegetable.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 12:37 AM

ARCLIGHT


I like Christoper Columbus.

just say "Chrisisall"

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:


Reagan didn't make ANY horrors possible,
"



Yeah cause he was too busy declaring ketchup to be a vegetable.




Reagan didn't decalare ketchup a vegetable, he was pointing out that the Federal Government classified ketchup as a vegetable, as a example of how ridiculous the Fed Gov't can be.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 2:18 AM

KHYRON


Actually, you're both wrong, although Reagan wasn't to blame. Classifying ketchup as a vegetable was a proposal made by the USDA, and defended by his Secretary of Agriculture. It drew a lot of criticism and wasn't implemented. The main culprit was (not surprisingly) Congress, for cutting child-nutrition funding by $1 billion and giving the USDA just 90 days to come up with new standards.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 2:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Reagan didn't make ANY horrors possible,
"



Yeah cause he was too busy declaring ketchup to be a vegetable.




Reagan didn't decalare ketchup a vegetable, he was pointing out that the Federal Government classified ketchup as a vegetable, as a example of how ridiculous the Fed Gov't can be.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "


Why do you bother to address every single absurdity brought up by hardcore ideologues on this board? All you do is give them fodder to spew forth their inane horseshit, and curse at you in the process. I guess you like debating naive, immature, deaf and dumb people, and are probably a bit of a masochist yourself. We've got radical loons of the most despicable kind on this board, and they don't play fair. They're always fucking right about everything, have a fucking opinion about everything, and what they cannot defend they ignore. You can never win with these people, yet you continue to engage them directly. I think you're worse than them actually, for you sink right down to their obtuse and propagandized level. For heaven's sake man, now they're including little Obama campaign logos in their posts, and inserting quotes form obscure, meaningless Bush-haters...yet you like to spar with these air-heads??!! Why?...What's the point? When are you & Hero going to stop? It's THEIR board, don't you know that yet? They're playing kickball and you're the ball. They gang up on you like a pack of wild dogs killing a squirrel, and then high-five themselves in glee for their superiority over the pathetic Conservative they've just shown up again. These are Rennaissance Fair freaks, socialists, & atheists....they want anarchy and chaos, and they worship at the trough of jaundiced agenda-driven twits and pseudo-elitist blatherers. I don't fault the kids here because it's not their own words and thoughts; they've been brainwashed by dope-smoking America-hating teachers and professors. They are like the Hitler Youth, a generation too far gone in indoctrination of hate and embarrassment for their own country. The good news on that is someday they will grow up. The others can't even cut you a break of respect when obviously you gotta be right some of the time, but they don't, and you just suck along immersing yourself in their name-calling, spinning, and lying. If ya got something to say, just say it...don't debate it. You are wasting a lot of your life here accomplishing nothing.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 3:20 AM

KHYRON


Wow, why are you so hard on AURaptor? Geez, the poor guy's just minding his own business, politely talking to people about politics, and you come out of nowhere and attack him for it!

This act of cyber-terrorism has left me feeling completely insecure in the world I live in. Which leads me to this question:

Which one do you hate more: freedom of speech, or our troops?



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Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:18 AM

ELVISCHRIST


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I guess you like debating naive, immature, deaf and dumb people, and are probably a bit of a masochist yourself. We've got radical loons of the most despicable kind on this board, and they don't play fair. They're always fucking right about everything, have a fucking opinion about everything, and what they cannot defend they ignore.


And you're different, HOW, exactly?

E (TCB)

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:26 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
HOW they chose to fight is up to them.


So it's okay for us to support fiends & monsters as long as they hate communism...?
We supported Saddam all-the-torturing-way until he stopped being 'our man'...

Operative much, AU?

AU, how can you even watch FF/Serenity? It's full of the kind of authority-questioning pinko crud that you must hate so much...

isall

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's THEIR board, don't you know that yet?


Unless you're Haken, I don't think you can give this board to us...

Wait- am I a 'THEIR' anyway? I don't rightly know...I hate the stuff Bush has done for the most part, but I'm not sure Obama can tame this bloated lion of a government...so where does that leave me?

I don't smoke dope..I don't want anarchy...maybe...*sob* I don't belong to an easily identifiable group...

I NEED A LABEL...GOD, PLEASE- GIVE ME A LABEL...!!!

Chrisisall

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