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It's Palin

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:26 AM

STORYMARK


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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:39 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Again, I don't think Palin is a bad candidate. Nor do I think it's slimy she was chosen. Never commented on any of that, really.


No, you are correct. It was SHCavalier who first brought the slimy point up and I was merely countering it when you interjected.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
All I did was point out that, Obama got where he was the same way as EVER CANDIDATE, you dipshit.


Fair enough. Why not say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 for that matter. All statements which can be considered correct but not very relevant to the point that was being made.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Or was there a vote held for McCain to run, before the Primaries, as well.


I don't think so but please check in with Signy as she seems to be up on the whole process.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:48 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Fair enough. Why not say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 for that matter. All statements which can be considered correct but not very relevant to the point that was being made.



Well, I would have, if someone had said "The sky is blue because the sea is orange" or "2+2=86", because they are more equivalent to your point equating how Obama got where he is to how Palin got where she is.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:57 AM

WHODIED


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Except that two people can serve in the military and not justifiably be viewed equal for that service. While I never denigrated Kerry’s service in Vietnam, it does not in any way even come close to McCain’s service, because the two levels of sacrifice are so disproportionate. BUT there’s no way to make that qualification concerning race or gender. In other words, no one has ever claimed that two individuals are equal on service alone, but the claim is often made that race and gender should be viewed without qualification. It’s not the same thing.



This seems wrong. How does getting captured make McCain's service better, or greater. His sacrifice perhaps, but not his service.

Couldn't you also make the case that getting captured renders his service less good. He failed!

In any case, the whole basis of this reasoning seems fallacious. Like: Service equals Citizenship!! (But more so for Razak's Roughnecks...)

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:13 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by WhoDied:
This seems wrong. How does getting captured make McCain's service better, or greater. His sacrifice perhaps, but not his service.

Couldn't you also make the case that getting captured renders his service less good. He failed!

So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends consecutive tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that. For most people, including military people, service comes down to sacrifice. However, that’s not the way we look at race or gender. Most people believe that a person should not be viewed as being qualified by his or her race and in most cases his or her gender.
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Originally posted by WhoDied:
In any case, the whole basis of this reasoning seems fallacious. Like: Service equals Citizenship!! (But more so for Razak's Roughnecks...)

No one is saying that.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:35 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
We're critisizing the McCain campaign for his fairly transparent strategy.

Especially since it looks like this was less McCain's choice, and more Rove's.



Can't disagree that the strategy is transparent and pandering to women, but it can be both and still be an excellent move. I think the McCain campaign savors the idea of the Dem's attacking Palin for her experience level because that will give them an opportunity to contrast her experience with Obama, not Biden. The McCain campaign should welcome all attacks on Palin because every time they attack a few more Hillary voters will move to McCain.

Your wrong about this being Rove's pick, it was Rush Limbaugh all the way.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:38 PM

WHODIED


Maybe. McCain was in a plane, Kerry was in a boat. Getting shot down doesn't seem to elevate the quality of the service to me. I imagine that plane is pretty safe--as long as you don't get shot. Isn't that true of the boat as well?

(Cheap shot coming.)

And it's not as if Kerry went A.W.O.L. from some uber-kushy party post...

(End cheap shot, mostly.)

Shouldn't we be glad Kerry didn't "see action", and hope that for all our wealthy, political scions who join the armed forces and actually go over there?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

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Obama was picked by Democratic insiders
I have never heard such unmitigated balderdash in my whole life! (Except from PN, but he's in a class by himself.)

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

For most people, including military people, service comes down to sacrifice.
Obviously, you never heard Patton on the topic.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.



Most people don't agree with that? Certainly ALL Republicans agree with that, since that's EXACTLY what they said in 2004. They tried to sell the load of crap that Bush had "military experience", and denigrated Kerry's service at every opportunity. In other words, they viewed a person who joined the Air Guard (but didn't complete his service, going AWOL and then deserting his post) as having a "better" service record than one who actually WENT TO VIET NAM.

For the record, my dad went to 'Nam, too. There's a drawer full of medals that he wouldn't talk about, but he was never captured and never surrendered. Would that make him more qualified to be President than McCane?




Mike

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:50 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by WhoDied:
Maybe. McCain was in a plane, Kerry was in a boat. Getting shot down doesn't seem to elevate the quality of the service to me. I imagine that plane is pretty safe--as long as you don't get shot. Isn't that true of the boat as well?

Probably not. Crashing in a plane tends to be more dangerous and sinking in a boat. However, you can rationalize it however you want, but you’re not going to many people, aside from partisan hacks, to see Kerry’s sacrifice for his country as superior or even equivalent to McCain’s.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Personally, I'd look pretty closely at someone who went through a Vietnam POW experience. I've known several Vietnam vets who saw heavy action and they tend to have dented personalities: twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile. Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 1:10 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Obama was picked by Democratic insiders
I have never heard such unmitigated balderdash in my whole life!


IYO.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 1:23 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:


So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.



Most people don't agree with that? Certainly ALL Republicans agree with that, since that's EXACTLY what they said in 2004. They tried to sell the load of crap that Bush had "military experience", and denigrated Kerry's service at every opportunity. In other words, they viewed a person who joined the Air Guard (but didn't complete his service, going AWOL and then deserting his post) as having a "better" service record than one who actually WENT TO VIET NAM.

First of all, Bush did have military experience. Secondly, Bush was never AWOL. Thirdly, the opinions you ascribe to “ALL Republicans” are categorically false. MANY Republicans, including myself, felt that Kerry’s behavior following the war was dishonorable, but MOST Republicans did not denigrate his service during the war, including myself.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 1:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Watch Finn ignore my question. (heh heh heh)

What did Kerry do after the war that was considered so dishonorable?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 1:38 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Here's what I've learned about Palin:

She has a history of fighting government corruption and pork barrel spending. (Did you know she helped put the brakes on that bridge to nowhere?) She also voted to give same sex couples the right to various benefits they were going to be excluded from, which is unnusual for a Republican. She hunts and fishes, and is a strong supporter of the 2nd ammendmend. She seems (so far) like the sort of person who sticks to her ideals, even when they are inconvenient, as is evident by her election to proceed with a pregnancy even though she knew the child would have Down's Syndrome. If for some reason Mccain was to win the presidency, I'd be all right if health reasons forced her to step up. Even with her limited experience and divergence from me on abortion issues, I like her more than the Presidential nominee.

That having been said, she's not the number one. Mccain is. And like Mr. Burns, he may live forever. I don't like Mccain much, so no matter what I think of her (so far) choosing him would be a bad idea.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, August 29, 2008 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Fantastic choice. She's the ultimate outsider. No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break and got a 6 figure salary right out of school. She's a REAL American, loves the outdoors, member of the NRA, married her HS sweetheart.

McCain just won the election. Game over !



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Friday, August 29, 2008 2:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

McCain just won the election. Game over !



We'll see...




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Friday, August 29, 2008 2:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...


Why must you hate Bush so much?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Friday, August 29, 2008 3:07 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.


Thanks for that Rue. Oh by the way, do you have anything topical to say or have you reverted to trolling already?



I was pointing out the poor English (mixing past and present), the illogic (comparing apples and orbits), and the general poor quality of the posts. I could have gone on at length, but brevity is better.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 3:58 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Wasn't McCain's choice, apparently he wanted Lieberman (another WTF!? choice), but he was overruled by Rove and the other powers-that-be.



Cite?

I see a bit of conjecture on some of the less reliable sites, but nothing to support such an assertion. Maybe I missed it?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, August 29, 2008 4:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


[Purely partisan snark]

Didn't see this myself, but I heard a half-dozen people point it out: McCain, while staring at Palin's *ss, kept twirling his wedding ring.

Hmm... I guess that lobbyist he's been boinking is on the way out!

[/Purely partisan snark]



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Friday, August 29, 2008 4:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Well, Signy, she is kind of hot, in a Peggy Hill kind of way...

Mike

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Friday, August 29, 2008 5:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...


Why must you hate Bush so much?





I was thinking more along the lines of Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, The top 3 wealthiest US Senators are in fact, Democrats.



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Friday, August 29, 2008 5:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I was thinking more along the lines of Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, The top 3 wealthiest US Senators are in fact, Democrats.



Ahhhh... so Bush DIDN'T buy his way into an Ivy League school? He WASN'T a fraternity punk? He DIDN'T party on daddy's yacht on Spring Break?

Or was it just different when he did it?

And what is it you have against the rich?

Or do you just hate the rich when they're Democrats?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Friday, August 29, 2008 7:29 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fantastic choice. She's the ultimate outsider.

McCain just won the election. Game over !



This was my first reaction also. I did'nt think McCain had the balls to do it, but maybe I've underestimated him. I kind of expected him to run his campaign like 2000 and then whine like a little girl when Obama goes dirty on him, like he did with Bush back then.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I've known several Vietnam vets who saw heavy action and they tend to have dented personalities: twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile. Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!



So you were no doubt relieved when John Kerry didn't get elected, right?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:19 AM

WHOZIT


I do'nt know weather to laff or get pissed, watching the left wing spin dotors studder there way thru an explaination of how God awful Gov, Palin is. It's time for MSNBC to just sign off for good.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Ahhhh... so Bush DIDN'T buy his way into an Ivy League school? He WASN'T a fraternity punk? He DIDN'T party on daddy's yacht on Spring Break?

Or was it just different when he did it?

And what is it you have against the rich?

Or do you just hate the rich when they're Democrats?

Mike




Whether Bush falls in line w/ that crowd or not, it's clear that many on BOTH sides of the aisle want change, and want something else besides what's become a cookie - cutter type candidate for higher office. Say Bush IS among those I listed, all the more reason for honest, sincere folk to look at the McCain / Palin ticket and see real change here. Biden? Dude's been in D.C. for 35 FREAKING YEARS ! That's longer than many who post here have been alive! How's that gonna bring any change ? At least the GOP put experience up front, and has an eye for the future w/ their VP pick. The Dems have it upside down backwards.



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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:40 AM

RIVERLOVE


Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:26 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

Edwards and his penis want a $65,000 speaking fee, Source; www.drudgereport.com Who the hell wants to hear from him? The press has even bailed on his wife.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:06 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I've been disturbed that the press has put a dark cloud over his wife. I mean, being cheated on is a pretty horrible emotional event. Who would want it paraded on a national stage? I honestly believe that if Clinton could have kept it on the down low somehow, she would have. Unfortunately, she didn't get the choice.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:26 AM

RIVERLOVE


No matter how you look at the race, it's going to be very close. McCain made a "calculated" decision with his selection of a woman, but the Democrats "elected" minority Obama. That is an important differenece that will be a legitimate topic. JFK also made a calculated VP choice when he took LBJ; maybe they all do. Either way, the victors will make history.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:27 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


So Turdblossum picked the best candidate to help McCain take a dive.

That's the deal he did with the Demorats to avoid impeachment and arrest.

A Dan Quayle moment. What better way to keep Republicans from voting?

Notice how the media mafia censors the only REAL woman AND minority nominated for president - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party.

She's adopted Ron Paul's nationalization of the private Federal Reserve Bank, wants Rummy to return $7-trillion stolen from Pentagon CAFR "pension" funds, stopped pedophile United Nations Dyncorp from kidnapping millions of sexslaves, plus 9/11 Truth.

McKinney was banned from the Demorat Con, and Ron Paul is banned from the Republicon Con.

For the shadow govt to pick a non-US citizen mulatto and a nobody woman is a symbolic way to show off the decapitation of USA. 9/11 was just the beginning of the terror...


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Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:34 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



the bumper stickers are out....



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Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think the people that Palin will appeal to are digusted Rebulican voters who can't let go of the policies that brought eight years of failure.

Basically, she's the ultimate "outsider" and McCain is a "maverick", and between them they sound like the Republican "ticket for change". It appeals to extreme frustration, an emotional vote, because if people want nothing else they want change. But Dems can win if they convince voters that McCain/ Palin is simply "Four More Years!" and the Dem ticket will create REAL change. "The economy" will stick most notably.

The other issue is the widespread electronic voting fraud that went on in the last two elections. A thin majority will create circumstances to "flip" the vote. It was done in six states last time, there's no reason why the Repubs wouldn't do it again this time. I'll bet the Dems are kicking themselves for being so weak-kneed on electronic vote fraud, as well they should!

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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it's clear that many on BOTH sides of the aisle want change, and want something else besides what's become a cookie - cutter type candidate for higher office. Say Bush IS among those I listed, all the more reason for honest, sincere folk to look at the McCain / Palin ticket and see real change here.
Ah, I just read Rapo's post. I rest my case.

Rapo- Why must you hate Bush so much?

If you've learned nothing else from the past few years of posting on this board, you should know by now that you're 100% wrong all of the time. McCain/ Palin is same old- same old.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:08 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background from MoveOn.org:

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She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.



Sheeple go Baaaaarack to sleep. Enjoy your global warming tax to United Nations Corp and another 50-million abortions, to make room for another 50-million illegal aliens.

One GREAT thing about Palin that no other governor in history can say, is Alaskan residents get PAID over $3,000/year to live in Alaska, funded by oil leases to British Petroleum (which exports most Alaskan oil to Commie China, Japan and Mexico).

That can be done in every state, and by the feds, if the crooks stopped looting $70-Trillion/year from CAFR "pension" funds.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5823209513192072459&ei=Voy5SN
biA5DuqwLwsMTqDA&q=cafr

www.cafrman.com
www.cafr1.com

What's the odds of Palin doing that as VP? ZERO.

The best female candidate, best black candidate (who is actually a US citizen), best anti-war candidate is Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party. And she has a female VP.
http://votetruth08.com

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:19 AM

EMBERS


I think McCain's choice speaks to self confidence :

Obama knows he has a brilliant mind with good understanding, so he feels comfortable picking a really smart experienced guy, knowing that even with all of Biden's gifts he won't outshine him...
But McCain is worried that any other candidate for VP was going to make him look like an idiot... so he picked the very stupidest person to make it into elective office!

Because Palin won't ever try to tell McCain what to do....

1. women who were thinking that McCain wouldn't overturn Roe v Wade now have had their noses rubbed in it!
2. environmentalists who thought McCain wouldn't be so bad, now have REALLY had their noses put out of joint!
3. and even economic conservatives are freaked out, because they wanted someone who would give McCain some economic credentials - a lot of them have even said publicly that they are offended by McCain picking this unqualified stupid woman.
4. but evangelicals are thrilled! Yay!
LOL

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:06 AM

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Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SignyM:
The other issue is the widespread electronic voting fraud that went on in the last two elections.



And I'm sure you thank goodness for it. Otherwise you'd have had to live in fear of that "...twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile..." Vietnam vet Kerry in the White House.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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And I'm sure you thank goodness for it. Otherwise you'd have had to live in fear of that "...twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile..." Vietnam vet Kerry in the White House
Geezer, are you vying for Jackass of the Year award? I said I would look closely at vets who saw heavy action, not that I would disqualify one automatically. Kerry does not appear to have those problems. John McCain does. And you appear to have your own psychic twists, most notably that you and "the truth" seem to have a distant relationship, at best. IMHO that comes about from having to rationalize the irrational, and justify the unjustifiable. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just ask.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.



What the hell are you smoking?

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:27 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

the bumper stickers are out....



Terminator: The Sarah Palin Chronicals

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:27 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

the bumper stickers are out....



Terminator: The Sarah Palin Chronicals

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:31 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I said I would look closely at vets who saw heavy action, not that I would disqualify one automatically. Kerry does not appear to have those problems. John McCain does.



Actually, you said you'd look closely at someone who'd been in "...a Vietnam POW experience...". This wouldn't include Kerry, who was never a POW.

Then, with no mention of 'checking closely', you mentioned all the Vietnam vets you'd known who were 'twitchy', etc, pretty much tarring the whole body of vets with the same brush by describing them as "Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!"

Why do I suspect you don't see Kerry as having PTSD problems because he's a Democrat?

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And you appear to have your own physcic twists, most notably that you and "the truth" seem to have a distant relationship, at best. IMHO that comes about from having to rationalize the irrational, and justify the unjustifiable. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just ask.


Oh, I know what you're talking about. If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said, and then start in with personal insults against the person who caught you out. See, no need to ask.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said..
I'm not trying to change the menaing of what I said, and only you would portray it so.

I have no experience with Vietnam POWs directly. The closest I can come is my acquaintance with (1) children who have been in war (2) Viet Nam vets who saw heavy action, (3) POWs from other wars, (4) people who have been abused (either as children or adults) and (5) crime victims. In my experience all of these people were traumatized by their experience. Some of them recovered fully because the damage was slight. Some of them compensated in a productive way. Some of them continued to have problems sleeping, and be anxiety-ridden, hair-triggered, depressed or hostile.

I do not see that problem in Kerry, and I did look for it when he was running. An experience like that leaves marks. I believe that he came to grips with his Vietnam experience a long time ago. But I HAVE seen that problem with McCain, as when he called his wife a c*nt in front of a news conference. He is well-known for his temper and his gambling.

Okay, maybe he was always that way. I can point to people who were irritable and irrational from the day they were born. Or maybe he's just getting demented. But McCain hasn't been on an even keel for as long as I've seen him, and his experience as a POW does nothing to esnure that he's a sane, rational person. To me, it's more a problem than a plus.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:12 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Why do I suspect you don't see Kerry as having PTSD problems because he's a Democrat?



Why do I suspect that you don't see McCain as having problems because he's a Republican?

Quote:

If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said, and then start in with personal insults against the person who caught you out.


Whereas you just started with casting aspersions on someone's opinion and personal viewpoint - an attack that isn't any kind of "personal insult" at all!

In other words, you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.




Mike

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.



What the hell are you smoking?



Very intelligent post there sweetie. Better go back to knitting your Obama love sweater. You'll need it to keep you warm one day. I am honored though that you broke away from your busy day to insert your comment, even if it was is a juvenile attempt to marginalize my opinions.

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:22 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.



What the hell are you smoking?



Very intelligent post there sweetie. Better go back to knitting your Obama sweater. You'll need it to keep you warm one day.



Yes I know. Since I am, in fact, very intelligent - my posts would be as well. Question is, what do your posts say about you?

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:27 PM

RIVERLOVE


I suppoose they say some things that upset you, and you feel compelled to ignore it, but you can't. So just go piss up a rope.

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