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Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:53 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, I never said that. Go back and check the post. I said Bush's policies coudln't be blamed for the Clinton/ Gore recession, as he was in office LESS THAN 2 MONTHS. Conversely, the Dems were in control for a full year and 1/2 before the shit hit the fan.

You said Bush couldn't be held responsible for what happened in the first two years of his term. But the Democrats can.
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18 months does not = 2 months. Math 101
But sure, there are some GOP who are to blame , which is why they were voted out of office in '06. They were becoming too much like Democrats.

The first two years of George Bush's term aren't attributable to bush. You didn't say two months, you said two YEARS:
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Bill Clinton left behind a two-year recession
Two Years of recession had nothing to do with Bush. You've not actually mentioned two months anywhere in this thread (though really I wouldn't put it past you to change your posts now).
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There's nothing what so ever self - contradictory about my position.
In fact you making such statements doesn't make it true.
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Hell, YOU want to place blame on Reagan, who's not been in power for 20 years! Don't tell ME about illogical or unsubstantiated.
Deranged indeed.


Evidently what I've been saying is far too complex for you, given that you've missed the meaning completely. What I said was the foundations for the current crises were laid with Reagan, and everyone since then has been complicit since then. It was your position that it was all down to Clinton and no one else. I'm talking long term trends, you're talking about a Clinton Democrat conspiracy that the righteous Republicans had no hope of stopping. Like I said, Bush could have changed anything Clinton did, he didn't. You can't blame Clinton, without also blaming Bush cup cake.
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The more you make up false claims of me allegedly 'screaming and insulting' when in fact, I've done nothing what so ever even coming remotely close to such silliness , the more folks see you as being a run of the mill troll, and nothing more.

A verifiable lie. You called me a limey, a well known racial slur, you insinuated that I was 'more stupid than a brick wall' and that I don't stand for anything. Your open and bigoted insults are a matter of record on this thread (that I've quoted so there's little point changing your posts now) and lying about it doesn't help your cause one bit.

Indeed by quoting my claim that followed the quote that supports it in full, one can only assume you are lying or delusional. Call me a troll if you wish, but I have a ream of people on this site who've met me in real life, do you? I've not made any racial slurs directed at you. I've not lied about what you have said. Whether you admit it or not, I'm confident that the folks around here can see quite well which one of us is acting like a troll.

Please continue to lie about what I said, accuse me of obviously false slights, and deny you made statements that are on this very thread for all to see. It helps my case immensely.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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citizen, I never said YEARS, bone head. See, you made this false claim twice, even again after I corrected you. Once, is fine, an error. Twice on your part, I get to insult you, because you obviously ARE a bone head.

You see, the recession did indeed last 2 years, but Bush can't be blamed for it because the economy was already heading that way, starting long before Bush was even elected. Who was in office for the prior 8 yrs ? Why, it was Clinton/ Gore, thtat's who! And it takes years for Bush's policies to come into effect and have an impact on the economy, as was the case w/ his tax cuts. Now stop being twit and wasting my time.

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NY TIMES SEPT 2003: BUSH PROPOSED TIGHTENING OVERSIGHT OF FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC - THE DEMOCRATS OF CONGRESS BLOCKED IT


New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry. http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/09/18/ny-times-sept-2003-bush-
proposed-tightening-oversight-of-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-the-democrats-of-congress-blocked-it/
]

And here, my little Huckle berry, is where it gets REALLY interesting!!

..… Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”


Chew on that, you limey troll biotch.





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Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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Two Years of recession had nothing to do with Bush. You've not actually mentioned two months anywhere in this thread (though really I wouldn't put it past you to change your posts now).




Actually, i did, as I post from the unaltered entry above,

.. " I said Bush's policies coudln't be blamed for the Clinton/ Gore recession, as he was in office LESS THAN 2 MONTHS. <-- Just as it was posted long before you claim I never said " 2 months" .

Now, this makes you either an
a - Liar
b - door knob stupid, as my post was up there for all to see, and yet you somehow missed it, made an assinine comment about me not saying anything about 2 months anywhere in this thread , when in fact, I did.

So, are you a liar or are you just door knob stupid ?






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Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:36 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen, I never said YEARS, bone head. See, you made this false claim twice, even again after I corrected you. Once, is fine, an error. Twice on your part, I get to insult you, because you obviously ARE a bone head.

You did say years, and I've quoted you directly. What you didn't say was months, but if you feel it necessary to lie, have at it. This is the internet, so everyone can see the truth of the matter, you're only hurting your own credibility.

Also, you don't get to insult me because I say something you don't want me to say, even if I do say it twice. I've still not insulted you, I'm still holding true to the truce, it's very clear you're not, since not only did you break it first time round, but you're not holding to it now. That's fine though, because I knew you wouldn't be able to manage it, and I'm perfectly happy being the 'better man' so to speak. So continue to insult me, please, it just makes me look good when I don't respond.
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You see, the recession did indeed last 2 years, but Bush can't be blamed for it because the economy was already heading that way, starting long before Bush was even elected. Who was in office for the prior 8 yrs ? Why, it was Clinton/ Gore, thtat's who! And it takes years for Bush's policies to come into effect and have an impact on the economy, as was the case w/ his tax cuts. Now stop being twit and wasting my time.
I'm well aware of what you're saying AU. However, we've had 8 years of a Bush presidency, and it's ended by a financial crash. I'm applying my logic cleanly across the board, you're the one chopping and changing as it suits. Clinton must have been at fault for the recession, because he was president for 8 years prior to then. Ok, I can buy that. However, the exact same logic applied to the current financial crises would say "Bush was in charge for the 8 years prior to the crash". But no, you then apply entirely different logic, and say it was Clinton's fault again. One wonders if anything wasn't Clinton's fault, and judging by this current diatribe from you, I'd have to assume you'd think not.

It's you wasting your own time by acting like a petty child throwing insults around rather than acting like a decent human being and actually talking to other people. It's very sad you can't see the way you are behaving.
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Chew on that, you limey troll biotch.

Of course you're not being insulting here. Limey troll 'biotch'? So you're attacking me for being British, which is openly bigoted, calling me a troll with no reason to do so, an open personal insult, and insinuating I was born out of Wed-lock, and attack not only on me, but my mother as well.

I can assure you that my Mother and Father were very much married some years before I was conceived, and I'd thank you not to insult my family. I'd also note that the only person acting like a troll is you. Please continue to do so, because it's making you look like a very nasty piece of work indeed, and helping my case considerably. The most helpful thing for me you could do is continue.

Beyond that, your quotes are entirely irrelevant the the actual point you're making, so please try again.

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:41 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, i did, as I post from the unaltered entry above,

You had made no such claim prior to my quote. Something you know full well. Further more:
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Sorry, that's no lie, that's FACT. That you don't care to be reminded of it is a non issue. None of Bush's policies had taken place by March of 2002, not even close.
Clearly stating that Bush's policies weren't in action over a year after he took office. Over a YEAR. That's 15 months, some what longer than the 2 months you claim.
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So, are you a liar or are you just door knob stupid ?
False Dichotomy. I am neither, it is clearly you who are lying.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:02 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, i did, as I post from the unaltered entry above,

You had made no such claim prior to my quote. Something you know full well. Further more:
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Sorry, that's no lie, that's FACT. That you don't care to be reminded of it is a non issue. None of Bush's policies had taken place by March of 2001, not even close.
Clearly stating that Bush's policies weren't in action over a year after he took office. Over a YEAR. That's 15 months, some what longer than the 2 months you claim.



This is why i said, LONG before, that you had no business even entering this discussion. You think Bush took office, in 2000, he did not. Further, you seem to think that the election was in Nov. 1999, and that Bush takes office immediatly afterwards, which never has been the case.

The election was in Nov. 2000. Bush didn't take office until JAN 20, 2001. That's 2 MONTHS, NOT 15 MONTHS, before the recession takes full bloom.


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So, are you a liar or are you just door knob stupid ?
False Dichotomy. I am neither, it is clearly you who are lying.





Naww... no false dichotomy here. You're both. You're a liar AND you're dumb as a door knob.

Limey door knob stupid biotch.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:04 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Chew on that, you limey troll biotch.




You WISH he would, you sick perv.

Why don't you & Whozit just get a room? Your sexuality is your business, but when your frustration spills over into here, then it becomes our problem too. You two need each other, IMO.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Chew on that, you limey troll biotch.




You WISH he would, you sick perv.

Why don't you & Whozit just get a room? Your sexuality is your business, but when your frustration spills over into here, then it becomes our problem too. You two need each other, IMO.

Chrisisall



Jealous much ?





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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:14 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limey door knob stupid biotch.

Please continue to make yourself look a bigger troll. it helps me no end.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:15 PM

KIRKULES


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Originally posted by citizen:
A verifiable lie. You called me a limey, a well known racial slur,



This comment reminded me of a scene from the animated series The Venture Brothers were the henchmen for Dr. Ventures nemesis(The Monarch), the Murderous Moppets, try to sneak into a day camp for boys at the Venture compound. They are spotted by Dr. Ventures body guard Brock and this conversation followed.

Dr. Venture: [as the Moppets pass by] Some people just shouldn't breed. Those're some ugly kids.
Brock: Kids? You're kiddin' right? They're achondroplastic dwarves.
Dr. Venture: And they're almost as good as you or I and they deserve this camp as much as any kid here. You're such a racist.
Brock: They're not really a race, doc.
Dr. Venture: Will you listen to yourself, Hitler?

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:19 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Dr. Venture: [as the Moppets pass by] Some people just shouldn't breed. Those're some ugly kids.
Brock: Kids? You're kiddin' right? They're achondroplastic dwarves.
Dr. Venture: And they're almost as good as you or I and they deserve this camp as much as any kid here. You're such a racist.
Brock: They're not really a race, doc.
Dr. Venture: Will you listen to yourself, Hitler?

Whatever. Nationalist slur if you prefer, but it's widely considered a racial comment. Bitching about specifics doesn't really change that AURaptor has been unwarrantedly trollish, insulting and just plain nasty throughout. He's proven himself to be a very nasty and immoral poster so far.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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It's funny because there's not ONE word refuting the NY Times story of Bush trying to haul in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.....back in 2003!! Nope. Instead, the troll wants to go on whining about insults. Too gorram funny.

Also, note the absolutely PRICELESS quote by Barney Frank!!

Booyaaah!!!



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:32 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny because there's not ONE word refuting the NY Times story of Bush trying to haul in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.....back in 2003!! Nope. Instead, the troll wants to go on whining about insults. Too gorram funny.

Also, note the absolutely PRICELESS quote by Barney Frank!!

Booyaaah!!!


You're the only one acting like a troll, and no one's insulted you, so you can't have been moaning about insults, so what are you talking about?

The quote by Barney Frank is without context or cite, and there's no evidence of an article about Bush reigning in anything from 2003. If you have something to cite, do so.



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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Shut up, AU!

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:35 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Shut up, AU!

isall




” These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”




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Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:06 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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... but the time bomb the Democrats had the majority hand in setting up was set to go off, and it did.



Oh NO!!!!



They set us up the bomb!!

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:11 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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And it takes years for Bush's policies to come into effect and have an impact on the economy...


7.5 years, to be exact. Now we see them for their true worth.


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Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I see the cursed tea sipping tommy has looted me of any fun here by handing him his head with a side of chips...

Very well then, pass me a crumpet and by all means continue the show.


And Barney ? sheeeit, he's the Democrat even the Democrats don't want - some day he's gonna slip, fall the rest of the way up his own ass and dissapear from the earth with naught more than a muted popping sound.

-F

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:19 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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” These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”



So you're saying that although there was thought to be no crisis in 2003, BushCo KNEW in 2003 that there was a looming crisis - and even though the Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, AND the House of Representatives, they did NOTHING to try to stop it?

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:21 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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And Barney ? sheeeit, he's the Democrat even the Democrats don't want - some day he's gonna slip, fall the rest of the way up his own ass and dissapear from the earth with naught more than a muted popping sound.



So THAT is what they mean by "black hole"!

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:42 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I see the cursed tea sipping tommy has looted me of any fun here by handing him his head with a side of chips...



Huh?

I'm sorry I'm not getting the cut of your banter old boy?



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Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:26 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I'm sorry I'm not getting the cut of your banter old boy?



I think he means that he wanted to slice-n-dice ol' Rappy, but you beat him to it.

Mike




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Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:22 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think he means that he wanted to slice-n-dice ol' Rappy, but you beat him to it.


Oh. Well, its not difficult, and there's plenty to go around.



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Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:01 AM

AURAPTOR

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Try all you want, not getting touched here in the least.



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Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:06 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Try all you want, not getting touched here in the least.


I can assure you, you're not my type. No matter how much you may want me to touch you, I don't think of you that way.



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Monday, September 22, 2008 6:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Compare the rates of growth between what your Social Security money has done as compared to the stock market in just the past 14 years.

Still want your $$ locked up in Social Security ?





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