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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:09 AM

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Obiden demands women register for draft.

McPalin demands only men register for draft.

www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/919582-470.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX


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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:16 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Obiden demands women register for draft.

McPalin demands only men register for draft.


There's no draft...if there is, close a window.

H

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:21 AM

WHOZIT


Democrat congresman Charlie Rangle of NYC has sponcered a draft bill.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:24 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Democrat congresman Charlie Rangle of NYC has sponcered a draft bill.


Democrats want a draft. If you don't want a draft...vote Republican.

H

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:42 AM

AGENTROUKA


Theoretically, wouldn't it be only fair and, you know, equal?

Not that I am for drafts at all, but to draft only men has always struck me as weird and sexist. On a hypothetical basis.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:51 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Theoretically, wouldn't it be only fair and, you know, equal?

Not that I am for drafts at all, but to draft only men has always struck me as weird and sexist. On a hypothetical basis.

But then all the girls between 18 - 35 will flee to Canada!

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:53 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Theoretically, wouldn't it be only fair and, you know, equal?

Not that I am for drafts at all, but to draft only men has always struck me as weird and sexist. On a hypothetical basis.

But then all the girls between 18 - 35 will flee to Canada!



Wouldn't that get crowded and cozy.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:20 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Obiden demands women register for draft.

McPalin demands only men register for draft.


There's no draft...if there is, close a window.

H


I'm all for hot chicks in uniform in a cold draft.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:14 PM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Democrat congresman Charlie Rangle of NYC has sponcered a draft bill.


Democrats want a draft. If you don't want a draft...vote Republican.

H



McCain has agreed - on more than one occasion -that there may have to be a draft.

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McCain On Reinstituting A Military Draft: ‘I Don’t Disagree’
By Ali Frick (Think Progress.com) on Aug 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Today at a townhall meeting, an audience member praised Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for his vow to “follow bin Laden to the gates of hell.” After a long question about veterans’ care, the questioner said she believed we needed to reinstate the draft, to which McCain seemed to readily agree:

QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.

MCCAIN: Ma’am, let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said.

In June, McCain said it would take an “all-out World War III” to make the draft necessary — which seems to mean he’d consider it. In July 2006, when asked to react to Newt Gingrich’s claim that “You’d have to say to yourself this is in fact World War III,” McCain said, “I do [agree] to some extent.”

Asked about the draft last September, McCain said, “I might consider it, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”

Considering McCain’s vow that “there’s gonna be other wars” and that we could stay in Iraq for 100 years, a draft might seem reasonable to him.

Transcript:

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Senator McCain I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase Bin Laden right to the gates of hell and push him in as you stated on your forum. I do have a question though. Disable veterans, especially in this state have horrible conditions, their medical is substandard. They drive four hours one way to Albuquerque for a simple doctors appointment which is often canceled. Our VA hospital is dirty it is understaffed, it is running on maximum overload. The prescription medicines are ten years behind standard medical care we have seven hundred claims stacked up at the VA office in Albuquerque some of them are ten and seven years old waiting to be processed in the mean time these people are homeless. My son is an officer in the Air Force, and I am a vet and I was raised in a military family. I think it is a sad state of affairs when we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialist top physicians, the best of medical and our vets can’t even get to a doctor. These are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we will have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.

MCCAIN: Ma’am let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said and thank you and I am grateful for your support of all of our veterans.



And it appears he's okay with drafting women, since he said he'd consider a draft if it means everyone would serve equally.

If you want the draft reinstated, vote McCain.

Mike



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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:06 PM

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My wife was a combat soldier in Gulf War #1.

That's no place for females. PERIOD. Not even volunteers.

If females WANT to go to war, they need psych re-education.

My wife did NOT want that. She was a cook. But cooks do mortuary bodybag drag in the food freezers, and man the machine guns.

Frankly, combat is no place for men, either, since "combat" is usually defined as slaughtering innocent civilians.

When 17-year-old girls are sent by the US military into combat as machinegunner cops, and 17-year-old girls are killed in combat in Somalia for Clintons and Bushes, that's the textbook recipe for the death of a nation.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:10 PM

RUE

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War is no fit place for anyone - but I would not allow anyone under 25 to serve in a war zone. I would probably not allow anyone under 25 to go through basic training either. I THINK we can all agree that we'd like our children to keep their humanity intact until they're fully formed adults.

Speaking of which - I saw another homeless vet on the street yesterday. We have got to stop breaking people and throwing them away.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:30 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Frankly, combat is no place for men, either, since "combat" is usually defined as slaughtering innocent civilians.




That is KIND of where I was going with this.

I'm not the kind of feminist who thinks there are not tendencies for difference between the sexes, or that women should be compulsively equally represented in jobs that entirely rely on a fixed measure of physical strength. I'm for equal standards in that regard, so I'm not clamoring that women must be allowed to be drafted.

What strikes me as fundamentally strange is that young men are somehow supposed to be all that much better equipped psychologically to deal with profound violence and killing. Or that women would be "worse" equipped for that, other than because we don't want them to be. Why do women need "psych re-education" and not men who "want to go to war"?

I find it fundamentally disturbing that anyone would be compelled to face war but to make a distinction based on sex, that is something that doesn't want to make sense to me.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:33 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
War is no fit place for anyone - but I would not allow anyone under 25 to serve in a war zone. I would probably not allow anyone under 25 to go through basic training either. I THINK we can all agree that we'd like our children to keep their humanity intact until they're fully formed adults.

Speaking of which - I saw another homeless vet on the street yesterday. We have got to stop breaking people and throwing them away.

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Amen sister.

As for women having to register......why not? I certainly dont want my boys going to war, but they have to register so why shouldn't females. Perhaps we should get out of the freaking war we are in and then maybe we would not need a draft! I doubt it will come to a draft. After all there will always be poor boys and girls with no job potential at home and no funds for college.........

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:15 PM

KHYRON


I don't object to women being drafted, but I wholeheartedly object to there being a draft. Isn't it unconstitutional anyway? I thought I heard something about drafts being against the constitution, not sure if that's true or not.
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
We have got to stop breaking people and throwing them away.

Nicely said, Rue!

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
I don't object to women being drafted, but I wholeheartedly object to there being a draft. Isn't it unconstitutional anyway? I thought I heard something about drafts being against the constitution, not sure if that's true or not


Probably 95% of what the feds do is unconstitutional. The fed judges go along with it because they get a $150,000 bribe every year for life. If you don't like it, they send police state death squads to kill you and your family.


Welcome to Waco

A draft is slavery, which is involuntary servitude, which is unconstitutional, UNLESS YOU "VOLUNTEER" in some way, by signing a contract, or if convicted of a crime.
Quote:

US Constitution, Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.



"Verbal" consent is always required to "volunteer" for the military, including a draft. This is done by lining all recruits in formation, and "asking" (illegal order) for all recruits to make a verbal declaration of oath "to defend the nation", then "TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD". Those who refuse the Jedi mind trick and who stand still are NOT inducted into the military, even during the Vietnam War draft. At this point the drill instructors start screaming all manner of obscenities, trying to get the slave to take one step forward. Just say NO.
www.educate-yourself.org/cn/draftrefusevolunteer17apr04.shtml

There is NOT a requirement to sign up for Social Security, which is required before registering for the draft. SS is de facto slavery, since employers are terrorized by the IRS to never hire employees without SS #s for automatic withholding of income taxes, which is 100% unconstitutional.

The income tax is unconstitutional, and the 16th Amendment for the income tax was NOT ratified by the States. The unconstitutional private international "Federal" Reserve Bank keeps all IRS income taxes, NONE of which go to the fed govt.
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"Not one dime of income taxes goes to support any federal program."
-President Ronald Reagan, right before George Bushes' CIA friend John Hinkley Jr shot him

"Federal reserve bank was not a federal agency within meaning of Act and that the court therefore lacked subject-matter jurisdiction. Appeal was taken. The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
-United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, No. 80-5905, Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)
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Note that currently 75-year-old grannies with terminal cancer are drafted into combat in Iraq under stop-loss, since officers have volunteered FOR LIFE.

You can rescind volunteer military contracts with a letter resigning your enlistment, which is what my wife did to get out of the TN Army National Guard several years early. Here's a copy of that letter:
www.piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

I use this legal technique in traffic courts, to deny the court jurisdiction. Duress voids all contracts. Driver licenses are unconstitutional for non-commercial drivers, so citizens "voluntarily" waiver their constitutional right to travel when they buy a driver license internal passport. Without a driver license contract, no court has jurisdicition over traffic tickets. Traffic ticket contracts (to voluntarily appear in court) are also signed under duress, which voids those contracts. The "law of the case" is a legal term that orders that the ONLY law in any one case is what the parties tell the court. So when a pro se defendant fails to quote the Constitutions, and fails to argue duress, then the judge can ignore the Constitutions and ignore contract law, which is what happens in 99% of cases.

Same goes for military law under the UCMJ, which REQUIRES all soldiers to ignore "illegal orders", and requires soldiers to immediately arrest all other soldiers who give them illegal orders. "I didn't know the order was illegal" is never allowed as a defense to courts martial. So even soldiers are required to know the law at all times, as the Abu Ghraib jailers found out the hard way.

The Revolutionary War was won without a draft, against the world's most powerful military of the British Empire. Standing armies are banned by the US Constitution, since they destroy their own nations, as proven by history.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 AM

EVILDINOSAUR


I see no problem with women having to register for the draft as long as men are required to do the same thing. Women are certainly just as capable, if not more in some cases. I know my girlfriend can kick my ass easy.

That being said, nobody should ever be forced to go to war, male or female. I'd like to see a world where no one registers for the draft, maybe then our leaders would use the people that signed up for the job willingly with a bit more responsibility.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:49 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


I'm against the draft. I'm for both sexes serving. 17, 18, and 19-year-olds are just not mature enough to handle combat situations without having it severely affect them. It warps their brains. Heck, it warps 30-year-old brains. I feel very strongly that anyone under 20 shouldn't be allowed to serve.

I live two miles from Army and Air Force bases. These kids are the most immature people I've ever seen. Taking these kids and reprogramming them only serves to wipe all sanity from them. After serving they are left with no marketable skills. They have no concept of how business models work or how to treat people with respect. Their lives are molded by the concept that the person with more power than you can make you do whatever they want and can say to you whatever they want with no repercussions. And they know that as they gain more "power" they can treat the next batch of people the same way. Then they take that lesson outside the base and end up in trouble, out of work, or in jail. Nice.

No to the Draft.



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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Right in one, TWG.

Until the cut-off, I did a lot of what's called decompression counselling on the poor sods they mess up and cast aside when no longer useful.

Some of em even make it...

What they do to folk in the name of training them is so horrible and inhumane it oughta be a crime in itself, Dave Drake is noted for mentioning this, particularly in the afterwords of his books.
http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671877941/0671877941.htm

And yeah, the Military WANTS them younger, cause they're easier to bend, you see - and those who don't bend, they break, factually, and all denials aside, they do kill off a LOT of folk in training, by intent, physical or pscyhological destruction, or just because they needed an "example" to get the point across, whether or not they had any cause to harm that soldier particulalry.

How would YOU like to be that one, ehe ?

I'd say a good 50% or more of AWOLs could be found underneath certain firing ranges if you ever went diggin for em, believe it - there's one accidental and one suicide buried under Ramagden on Ft Jackson for a fact, I was there when Warren did it, but he's listed as AWOL all the same.

And yes, a draft is, and always has been, wholly unconstitutional, it violates the involuntary servitude provision of the 13th Amendment and is also in opposition to the intent of our Govt as founded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States
_Constitution


Not to mention we're not supposed to have a standing army to draft people TO, as the intent was that the Militia serve as our armed forces, raising the additional check and balance that if you couldn't get enough folk to fight for it, then it wasn't the will of the people and thus, an unconstitutional usurpation.

And finally, stop-loss also violates both the 13th, and the whole idea of voluntary, mutual contract service - one party being able to change terms and dictate them to the other after the fact is a violation in the whole, and of principle.

-Frem
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