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Whoops - Joe the Plumber Hasn't Paid His Taxes!

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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:19 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an answer to a simple question - HOW'S THAT* WORKED SO FAR ?


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

In the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, the top rate was 75%. The top rate reached 94% during the war and remained at 91% until 1964.

In 1964 the top rate was decreased to 70% (1964 Revenue Act) -

In 1981 the top rate was decreased to 50% in (Economic Recovery Tax Act or ERTA) (Ronald Reagan 1981–1989)

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 reduced the top rate to 28%, at the same time raising the bottom rate from 11% to 15% (in fact 15% and 28% became the only two tax brackets). (Ronald Reagan 1981–1989)


During the 1990s the top rate rose again, standing at 39.6% by the end of the decade. (Bill Clinton 1993 to 2001)

The top rate was cut to 35% and the bottom rate was cut to 10% by the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA). (George W Bush 2001 2009)

And the inheritance tax was repealed.


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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:29 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Rue...

Again, what EXACTLY is wrong with not paying income tax?

The current crisis is due by and large to greed. Greed by banks and more greed by corporations. (Not to metnion stupidity and greed by people. "I work at McDonalds, i can't speak English, but I can afford a 500,000 doallr home!")

Curtail corporation and banks, get rid of income taxes, and BAM!.

Prosperity.

Also, our national debt is so high because we keep propping up foreign states/governments/ etc..(Israel, Im looking at you)


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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:31 AM

RUE

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You still haven't answered my question.

For the fourth time - how's that worked so far ?



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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Hows what worked so far?


Lowering taxes? Its still theft from my paycheck. So it hasnt worked well so far.

The problem Rue, is that you WANT big government.

I DO NOT.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM

RUE

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Actually, I was talking about YOUR proposal, which is flattening the taxes.

For the fifth time - HOW'S THAT WORKED SO FAR ?

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Friday, October 17, 2008 9:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
...only true thing that he said about himself was his name.



ah, actually it's Sam



Ah...actually, it's Samuel JOSEPH Wurzelbacher. JOE is what he goes by.

We can use HIS middle name, just not the Dem Presidential candidate's.





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Friday, October 17, 2008 10:19 AM

RUE

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This is what "Joe the plumber" said:
“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”



Thomas Joseph, the business manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, based in Toledo, said Thursday that Mr. Wurzelbacher had never held a plumber’s license, which is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities. He also never completed an apprenticeship and does not belong to the plumber’s union, which has endorsed Mr. Obama. On Thursday, he acknowledged that he does plumbing work even though he does not have a license.

Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.



So he's not really a plumber, he's not getting ready to buy a business, and his taxes aren't going up. About the only thing true is that one of is names (though not his first one) is 'Joe'.


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Friday, October 17, 2008 10:24 AM

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Friday, October 17, 2008 10:34 AM

KIRKULES


It's obvious that none of you have ever worked in the construction field. In some States where the unions/mob control the trades it is necessary to be licensed. Most states however only require the work be overseen by a licenced worker. Many companies only have one or two licensed workers and 10-50 unlicensed workers doing the actual work. You can be a carpenter, electrician, surveyor, HVAC technician, steel worker, and even a plumber your entire career and never be licensed. I'd be willing to bet that only one out of a hundred plumbers in the US are licensed.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 10:48 AM

AURAPTOR

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Well rue, Joe is a plumber, just not a member of the union. BFD. Even if 'Joe' is really an ablino militant lesbian on food stamps, the real story is what Obama said, and his desire to " srpead the wealth around " crap.

Where's THAT listed in the Constitution?





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Friday, October 17, 2008 10:50 AM

AURAPTOR

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But was Al Bundy LICENSED to sell shoes?

How ever did Ed O'Neill find the time to slip away from his busy acting schedule to help out Obama ?





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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:09 AM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
It's obvious that none of you have ever worked in the construction field. ... Most states however only require the work be overseen by a licenced worker.



It's obvious you didn't read the quote:

... a plumber’s license ... is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, those poor rich people. Boo hoo hoo! I feel so sorry for them!

Meanwhile, McCain is plannning to increase my taxes (Yeah, he REALLY IS. Unlike Obama.) and give my $$ to the rich!

Thanks, but no f*ckin' thanks.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:10 AM

RUE

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"srpead the wealth around " crap.
Where's THAT listed in the Constitution?"

"Promote the general welfare ..."


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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:24 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
It's obvious that none of you have ever worked in the construction field. ... Most states however only require the work be overseen by a licenced worker.



It's obvious you didn't read the quote:

... a plumber’s license ... is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities...

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He works for a licensed plumber therefore he doesn't need to be licensed even in Toledo Ohio. He only needs a licence if he has people working under him.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:31 AM

RUE

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The city of Toledo is preparing a letter to his employer seeking to determine whether he is violating city codes, and the plumber’s union is on his tail.



Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.
But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn't have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.


Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?

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Friday, October 17, 2008 11:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Then a luxury tax?
Say 6% sales tax on regular stuff, and 25% on luxury.
Ex: 26" TV, 6%; 72", 25%

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:14 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, those poor rich people. Boo hoo hoo! I feel so sorry for them!

Meanwhile, McCain is plannning to increase my taxes (Yeah, he REALLY IS. Unlike Obama.) and give my $$ to the rich!

Thanks, but no f*ckin' thanks.

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No, he's not.



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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:15 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"srpead the wealth around " crap.
Where's THAT listed in the Constitution?"

"Promote the general welfare ..."


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Perhaps THE dumbest thing ever posted ever on RWED.... you sure you don't want to take this one back ?





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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:23 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:

Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?




A tax cheat ? Hell, 1,200 bucks isn't exatcly CHEATING anyone. Big time tax cheats lnclude the likes of Charles Rangel

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi yesterday privately pushed Rep. Charlie Rangel to give up his chairmanship of the influential House tax-rules committee amid explosive revelations that his personal tax filings were riddled with errors and omissions, a wellplaced source said.

Rangel, the Democratic chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, has been resisting growing calls to step down from the high-profile leadership role since The Post reported the Harlem congressman failed to disclose rental income from his Dominican Republic beach home.

Rangel subsequently admitted owing at least $10,000 in back taxes .




And Joe isn't, as the left ALWAYS tries to paint anyone who doesn't fall lock step in w/ their cult, a " liar ". Joe hasn't lied about one god damn thing, and the Left KNOWS this, but all they care about is destroying the average Joe.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:26 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:


Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?




A tax CHEAT?

Supposing that he actually OWES any tax , that mans that by YOUR definition , EVERYONE that a government deems to be owing a tax ,
is a cheat...

Hey , spend your guilt somewhere else...No one's buying that crap in here...

The guy has an honest job , doing honest work with his own hands...That's not INCOME , it's WAGES...Most Innumerates don't know that ,
and don't GET the distinction...

He's TRADING his finite resources , Time , Skills , and Labor , for another form of 'resource' , a type of COMPENSATION...

It's a swap or barter , involving NO GAIN...

NO GAIN means NO INCOME...He's liable for NO INCOME TAX...

As for being a fraud and a lying sack of crap , well , notice no one is defending you , either...

Except maybe SignyM , and sooner or later , she may learn to do better...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

No, he's not.
Yes, he is. He's going to tax my health insurance benefits. And it's going to wind up costing me TAX money when all is said and done. Not including the fact that if my employer choses to bail out of that benefit, it will cost me an ADDITIONAL $6000 per year to buy family coverage, assuming my family members will even qualify.

Hey, I do my own taxes and every 10 years I compare them to a profe$$ional service to make sure I'm keeping up with the tax code. I do OK. I'm not a doofus when it comes to taxes.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

NO GAIN means NO INCOME...He's liable for NO INCOME TAX...
That and $0.90 will get you a cuppa coffee. Your wild-eyed anti-taxism doesn't hack it in the real world.

ETA: Rue, you're talking to deep-enders here.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:35 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"spread the wealth around " crap.
Where's THAT listed in the Constitution?"

"Promote the general welfare ..."





Perhaps THE dumbest thing ever posted ever on RWED.... you sure you don't want to take this one back ?




There's no way he'll take it back...

Besides being atrociously stupid , his other sin is Pride...

He's not the sort to figure out that is but part of a " Mission Statement " contained within the Preamble...

" Promote the General Welfare " isn't the same as " Promoting Everyone's Generally Being ON WELFARE " , from the poorest up through the 'Corporate' Fatcats...

Finer points like that always escape the ruefully retarded nanny-state suckers of the 'central teat'...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It's sad to see those who claim to be Browncoats cling so blindly to the Alliance-is-Daddy attitude when it comes to the United States Government.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:40 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Rap

WHY should I listen to you about taxes ?

Aren't you the one who claimed that since I'm not a tax accountant I'm not qualified to say anything about Palin owing taxes on per diems (though I quoted a tax expert) - and then proceeded to tell me (in your non- expert opinion of course) that she didn't owe any taxes on those ? Aren't you the one who claimed 95% of Americans don't pay any income tax ?

Refresh my memory again - tell me what expertise you have and how good your judgment is when it comes to taxes.


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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:43 PM

RUE

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"It's sad to see those who claim to be Browncoats cling so blindly to the Alliance-is-Daddy attitude when it comes to the United States Government."


Yes especially when it comes to government lying its way into a war, spying on its own innocent citizens, and torturing people ... all in the name of saving us from all those evil brown people.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:45 PM

RUE

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OTB

Wages are taxable. Even non-monetary compensation is taxable. Look it up.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:46 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:


Hey, I do my own taxes and every 10 years I compare them to a profe$$ional service to make sure I'm keeping up with the tax code. I do OK. I'm not a doofus when it comes to taxes.




You ARE a DOOFUS...

" Wild-eyed anti-TAXISM " is what gave this glorious idea (USA) its start...

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/teaparty.htm


Pleased to see that you count me among the heroes of the Revolution...

That puts me in some very august company...

You do me Honor , with your Honor , 'specially when you Do Me , so honorably...

Deeply Ironical , when just a couple days ago , you were dressing down folk in one thread for their economic ignorance , and meanwhile ,
you were Flashing your own , in another thread...

Recall , that you didn't know the difference between DEFICIT , and DEBT ?

You're just the sort Uncle Sucker is looking for , both stupid AND compliant...

For your homework assignment , check to see in what manner the 16th Amendment was ratified by a majority of the States...

'Cause that what is required to establish an Amendment to the Constitution...

http://www.libertyforlife.com/constitution/us-16th-failed-ratification
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http://political-resources.com/taxes/16thamendment/default.htm

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:48 PM

RUE

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OTB

I believe it was 'no taxation without representation'. Even the Revolutionaries had an income tax to pay for the Revolution.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:55 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
OTB

I believe it was 'no taxation without representation'. Even the Revolutionaries had an income tax to pay for the Revolution.




Once again your belief doesn't exactly square with the facts...

Reference Article 1 , Section 9 :

" No Capitation , or other DIRECT TAX , shall
be laid , unless in Proportion to the CENSUS or ENUMERATION hereinbefore directed to be taken..."

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:58 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
OTB

Wages are taxable. Even non-monetary compensation is taxable. Look it up.




What you're attempting to reference would be Title 26...

Never enacted into law...

YOU can look it up , Later...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 12:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Rap

WHY should I listen to you about taxes ?

Aren't you the one who claimed that since I'm not a tax accountant I'm not qualified to say anything about Palin owing taxes on per diems (though I quoted a tax expert) - and then proceeded to tell me (in your non- expert opinion of course) that she didn't owe any taxes on those ? Aren't you the one who claimed 95% of Americans don't pay any income tax ?

Refresh my memory again - tell me what expertise you have and how good your judgment is when it comes to taxes.





I don't give a damn that you'll pay more in taxes under Obama. Good for you. My 95% remark was clearly false, as I've stated. As is Obama's claim to CUT income taxes on 95% of tax payers. I've admitted MY error, Obama keeps on making the same mistake on his claim. Palin's per diem, as I heard said , isn't taxable under Alaska state law. The details of each state's particular tax law are different, as are the exemptions. It's beyond a trivial matter, by any account, and yet the Left tries to blow up the issue. Meanwhile, the Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee , Charles Rangel ( D - Harlem ) has dodged reporting rental income ( Over $75,000 ) on his Dominican Republic beach front property.

Spare me your phoney righteous indignation over Gov. Palin and her alleged per diem tax issue.



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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:02 PM

RUE

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"As is Obama's claim to CUT income taxes on 95% of tax payers. Obama keeps on making the same mistake on his claim."

See, and there you are, wrong again. Obama said he would not increase taxes for 95% of people. Can't you get anything right ?

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?



Because he's a typical Republican?

Mike

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:11 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
OTB

I believe it was 'no taxation without representation'. Even the Revolutionaries had an income tax to pay for the Revolution.




There's an oddity...Revolutionaries imposing an Income Tax upon themselves ?

CITES , Please !

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:13 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?



Because he's a typical Republican?




Partisan potshots , Mikey ?

I trust that you have the intellect to do better than that...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Hey, the guy's a tax cheat, a fraud, and a lying sack of crap. Why are you defending him ?



Because he's a typical Republican?




Partisan potshots , Mikey ?

I trust that you have the intellect to do better than that...



Oh, it was just too easy a shot not to take...



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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:20 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Oh, it was just too easy a shot not to take...




Folk forget that Joe The Plumber ain't running
for President...

Oddly hypocritical that there is such a furious attack against HIS 'credentials' , but OprahBamaHussein can't prove himself to be native-born ?

Just a diversion...


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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:29 PM

RUE

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He can, and has. Get a life.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:32 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's sad to see those who claim to be Browncoats cling so blindly to the Alliance-is-Daddy attitude when it comes to the United States Government.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



Seconded...

Their parents must have somehow abused them as children...It's a form of 'Stockholm Syndrome'...

They do have some pity from me...Hopefully , they'll get some mental support and outgrow their problem...

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:34 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
He can, and has. Get a life.




He can't , and didn't...

He won't , because he can't...

Get a legitimate President , and get busy doing your tax-law homework , 'sonny' !

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Friday, October 17, 2008 1:41 PM

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I believe it was 'no taxation without representation'. Even the Revolutionaries had an income tax to pay for the Revolution.




Here's where the notion of " Taxation without Representation " originated :

'...For over a generation, New Englanders had been accustomed to importing the larger part of the molasses for their rum distilleries from the French and Dutch West Indies without paying a duty. They now contended that payment of even the small duty imposed would be ruinous.

As it happened, the preamble to the Sugar Act gave the colonists an opportunity to rationalize their discontent on constitutional grounds. The power of Parliament to tax colonial commodities for the regulation of trade had long been accepted in theory though not always in practice, but the power to tax "for improving the revenue of this Kingdom," as stated in the Revenue Act of 1764, was new and hence debatable.

The constitutional issue became an entering wedge in the great dispute that was finally to wrest the American colonies from England. "One single act of Parliament," wrote James Otis, fiery orator from Massachusetts, "has set more people a-thinking in six months, more than they had done in their whole lives before." Merchants, legislatures, and town meetings protested against the expediency of the law, and colonial lawyers like Samuel Adams found in the preamble the first intimation of "taxation without representation," the catchword that was to draw many to the cause of the American patriots against the mother country. '


Still looking for YOUR Cites , Rue !

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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:17 PM

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As is Obama's claim to CUT income taxes on 95% of tax payers
How is that "false"? It's a statement of intent, not of fact. You can say it's impractical, possibly, but calling it false is just.... well... false.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:19 PM

RUE

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"Hopefully , they'll get some mental support and outgrow their problem..."

As soon as you stop excusing spying, torture, corruption, the unitary executive and other Bush administration illegal activities.

I'll be waiting for that.


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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:24 PM

RUE

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"The phrase "No Taxation Without Representation!" was coined by Reverend Jonathan Mayhew in a sermon in Boston in 1750. ...

Parliament had controlled colonial trade and taxed imports and exports since 1660.[2] By the 1760s the Americans came to believe they were being deprived of a historic right.[3] The English Bill of Rights 1689 had forbidden the imposition of taxes without the consent of Parliament. Since the colonists had no representation in Parliament they complained the taxes violated the guaranteed Rights of Englishmen.

The complaint was never officially over the amount of taxation (the taxes were quite low, though ubiquitous), but always on the political decision-making process by which taxes were decided in London, i.e. without representation for the colonists in British Parliament."

So you agree with me, the colonists weren't opposed to taxation per se, they were opposed to taxation without representation.


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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:36 PM

SIGNYM

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No Capitation , or other DIRECT TAX , shall be laid , unless in Proportion to the CENSUS or ENUMERATION hereinbefore directed to be taken
Maybe that's why they do a census every ten years.

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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:42 PM

SIGNYM

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GEORGE WASHINGTON on TAXES:
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As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible, avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it, avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertion in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should co-operate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp



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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THOMAS JEFFERSON on TAXES
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Many of the opposition {to the new Federal Constitution} wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous. --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788.

"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785.

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff5.htm



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Friday, October 17, 2008 2:46 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"Hopefully , they'll get some mental support and outgrow their problem..."

As soon as you stop excusing spying, torture, corruption, the unitary executive and other Bush administration illegal activities.

I'll be waiting for that.




That's what I mean about you slandering me , Ricardo...

I've never excused any of those things for Bush , or for anyone else...

Nor would I...

This is how folk recognize you for the loser that you are...And , how They Know that You Know that you're beaten...

Lies , on top of slanderous Lies...

If you can show evidence of my condoning anything from your list of nasty , stand and deliver...I've NEVER SAID anything of the KIND...

This is gonna be a long wait for a train don't come...

Better get started...

Otherwise , S-T-F-U...

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