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Obama Zombies Lose Either Way

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:21 PM

KIRKULES


"My boyhood, and the Arab political culture I have been chronicling for well over three decades, are anchored in the Arab world. And the tragedy of Arab political culture has been the unending expectation of the crowd -- the street, we call it -- in the redeemer who will put an end to the decline, who will restore faded splendor and greatness. When I came into my own, in the late 1950s and '60s, those hopes were invested in the Egyptian Gamal Abdul Nasser. He faltered, and broke the hearts of generations of Arabs. But the faith in the Awaited One lives on, and it would forever circle the Arab world looking for the next redeemer.

America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter. In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies. A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession -- its imagination.

From Elias Canetti again: "But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it. . . . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens."

The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic."

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:45 PM

KHYRON


Getting the Republicans out of the White House for a couple of years will be victory enough.

And McCain zombies also lose either way.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:58 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:


And McCain zombies also lose either way.




McCain is not a Zombie...He only looks like one , and plays one on TV...

He's really a Mummy...

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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Ain't no one gonna save us, we gotta do it ourselves.

The "hero myth" is just a sham to keep folk pacified.

Don't sit around waiting for a hero, *become* one, and if you can't manage that, then become a villan, curse it!

-BadManFrem.

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 31, 2008 4:57 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ain't no one gonna save us, we gotta do it ourselves. The "hero myth" is just a sham to keep folk pacified. Don't sit around waiting for a hero, *become* one, and if you can't manage that, then become a villan, curse it!

And since you can't order "cathartic rebellion" off the menu and have it delivered in 30 minutes or less...most Americans won't turn off the Bonanza reruns long enough to involve themselves in the "tar heating up" and "feather gathering". Then they just settle back into alpha wave heavan.

I'm not falling for all of Obama's schtick, so I'm no zombie...but we need to get out of the war yesterday. Pubbys think it's doing people good, and they're hooked on it like heroin addicts. We gotta detox them, then move forward.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 5:06 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic."


That my friend...is insightful commentary.

I can only hope for the heartbreak option...heartbreak so profound that they lose their newfound enthusiam and never seek to challenge the Republican party again...but I'll settle for the long term disappointment of an Obama Presidency (and the inevitable return to power it would bring to my beloved Republicans).

So election day will be good for Republicans no matter how it turns out. You've made me feel so much better.

H

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Friday, October 31, 2008 5:13 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I'll settle for the long term disappointment of an Obama Presidency (and the inevitable return to power it would bring to my beloved Republicans).


As long as it sees the return of REAL Republicans, y'know, fiscally conservative...not radically adventuristic overseas...then yeah, I can hang with that.

Not-as-resentful-of-Conservatives-as-you-might-thinkisall

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Friday, October 31, 2008 5:48 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall: As long as it sees the return of REAL Republicans, y'know, fiscally conservative...not radically adventuristic overseas...then yeah, I can hang with that.
Goldwater and Eisenhower Republicans.

Just remove everything Reagan and 911 did to the Republican party and I'm cool too.

Which in case if anyone is wondering...is:

1. paranoid bloodthirsty militarism
2. taking credit for the USSR collapse
3. taking credit for a post recession bubble
4. the Moral Minority

Other than that modern Pubbys are great!


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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:15 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero: I can only hope for the heartbreak option...heartbreak so profound that they lose their newfound enthusiam and never seek to challenge the Republican party again...but I'll settle for the long term disappointment of an Obama Presidency (and the inevitable return to power it would bring to my beloved Republicans). So election day will be good for Republicans no matter how it turns out. You've made me feel so much better.

1. Denial and isolation.
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I'm having trouble trying to figure out where you are in the stages of grieving. I guess Kirk's post brought you out of depression. But your post had elements of bargaining and acceptance. So you're almost home free!

Anyway!...the economy probably won't be healed during the next 4-8 years, the Bush administration saw to that. I'm glad there aren't any Republicans wishing ills on the American economy for political gain. We're so lucky Americans will be united in our desire for a successful post election economy in America. Wishing otherwise would be so selfish.

But many Americans aren't smart enough to figure out Bush sabotaged the next Presidency unintentionaly...and, they won't remember that in four years. But untill then it's so nice to know that Pubbys don't act like middle school kids and have our economic health as thier first concern for the next 4 years.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:16 AM

CHRISISALL


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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:26 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter. In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies. A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession -- its imagination.



Exactly.
Imagination is what most people are banking on these days. Obama has mountains of arrogant pride, and probably the most conceited person I've ever witnessed. He should do great win he steps in

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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:38 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic."


Maybe there are Obama zombies around. I don't know any personally, nor have I seen any on this board. Just b/c a person supports Obama for reasons all their own doesn't make them a 'zombie'.

Kirkules, why do you continually misrepresent people who support Obama ? This isn't the first time you've made this exact generic slander.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:41 AM

STORYMARK


What you don't seem to grasp, Kirkrules, is not all Obama supporters - or even most, I'd wager - think he's just going to step in and make it all right overnight. Personally, I'm betting that he's gonna screw up something pretty big within a year.

But it'll still be a step in, if not the right direction, then at least in a better direction that we have been going, or would go under more Republican control.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:42 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:


Kirkules, why do you continually misrepresent people who support Obama ? This isn't the first time you've made this exact generic slander.


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Because he has nothing else to console himself with?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Obama has mountains of arrogant pride
But he can't hold a candle to Bush, Cheney, and Palin! And at least Obama knows something about something, whereas two of the above three know nothing about anything.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, the Bush/McPain zombies have done such a bang-up fucking job of making us "secure". Let's see... first, they got 3000 Americans killed by terrorists on 9/11, and then did nothing about it (they had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora, and simply let him walk away). Then, they got more than 4000 MORE Americans killed by terrorists in Iraq (hey, you're the ones calling insurgents "terrorists", not me - so by your own reckoning, you've gotten more Americans killed in Iraq than were killed on 9/11)...

And McPalin wants to continue in this vein, wanting to stay in Iraq for 100 years, wanting to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran, jumping for joy when we attack into Syria.

Why do the McCain zombies love terrorists so? Why are they so eager to have Americans killed by terrorists?

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:31 AM

WHOZIT


Do Barrys whores in the press count as Zombies, or just whores?

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Exactly.
Imagination is what most people are banking on these days. Obama has mountains of arrogant pride, and probably the most conceited person I've ever witnessed. He should do great win he steps in.



"Imagination" is about all most people HAVE to bank on these days; your idiot Bush and his Republican cronies have pissed away all our REAL money!

Obama has "arrogant pride" and "conceit" - meanwhile, McCain swear "we've got them just where we want them", which sounds pretty prideful and arrogant to me. And then you've got Bush, who can't recall a single mistake he's made, and nothing he wishes he'd done better than he did. But at least he's not conceited or arrogant about it, right?

But thanks for the vote of confidence in Obama - he really should do great "win" he steps in. I'm glad you've accepted his victory and are standing so proudly (and arrogantly, I'll bet) behind him.

Mike

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Do Barrys whores in the press count as Zombies, or just whores?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin



I think the whores in the press count as Faux News employees.

What, no catchy sig-line?

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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:36 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Just make sure the bagel isn't scalding hot. Or not.

Whichever you prefer.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:05 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


We're only zombies in the sense that we're screaming for some brains in the white house.

Braaaaaaaiiiiiins!

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:29 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


"Imagination" is about all most people HAVE to bank on these days; your idiot Bush and his Republican cronies have pissed away all our REAL money!


Bush is the worst president of all time. I know this.
I'm a democrat who happens to despise Obama.

Too bad Hillary lost out to that silver tounge manipulator.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:32 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


But thanks for the vote of confidence in Obama - he really should do great "win" he steps in. I'm glad you've accepted his victory and are standing so proudly (and arrogantly, I'll bet) behind him.




Yup, and if he asked you to blow him, you probably would. Good job man.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:36 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

1. Denial and isolation.
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I'm having trouble trying to figure out where you are in the stages of grieving.


I accept that you think that I am grieving but I deny (without speaking for or with anyone else) and in fact am angry that that you would say such a thing and perhaps we can agree to disagree (such an agreeing being some sort of bargain).

H

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:37 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Just b/c a person supports Obama for reasons all their own doesn't make them a 'zombie'.


That's true...he has to eat your brain first.

H

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:39 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

1. Denial and isolation.
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I'm having trouble trying to figure out where you are in the stages of grieving.


I accept that you think that I am grieving but I deny (without speaking for or with anyone else) and in fact am angry that that you would say such a thing and perhaps we can agree to disagree (such an agreeing being some sort of bargain).

H

AW HELL! I'm up to acceptance, I'm going to send Barry a bagel.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:52 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Bush is the worst president of all time. I know this.


Please...James Buchanan is the worst (although to be honost most of his problems were systemic, the basic fact is the guy lacked the balls to defend Federal property, whatever you might think of succession and I for one think it should have been decided in the Supreme Court, the man was President and I've read the dispatches of post-commanders asking for instructions with regards to their status and being completely ignored for month after month following the November 1860 election till the April 15, 1861 inauguration).

Then we need to consider Herbert Hoover (despite his forsight with regards to the arrival of the Decepticons), Jimmy Carter, Martin Van Ruin, William Henry Harrison (for the length alone), Franklin Pierce (who was a lousy President, not a wise-cracking Doctor)...

H

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Friday, October 31, 2008 8:59 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Bush is the worst president of all time. I know this.


Please...James Buchanan is the worst (although to be honost most of his problems were systemic, the basic fact is the guy lacked the balls to defend Federal property, whatever you might think of succession and I for one think it should have been decided in the Supreme Court, the man was President and I've read the dispatches of post-commanders asking for instructions with regards to their status and being completely ignored for month after month following the November 1860 election till the April 15, 1861 inauguration).

Then we need to consider Herbert Hoover (despite his forsight with regards to the arrival of the Decepticons), Jimmy Carter, Martin Van Ruin, William Henry Harrison (for the length alone), Franklin Pierce (who was a lousy President, not a wise-cracking Doctor)...

H

I'm sending James Earl Carter a bagel.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 9:03 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Rue: Just b/c a person supports Obama for reasons all their own doesn't make them a 'zombie'.
'Hero': That's true...he has to eat your brain first.


OK - I'm confused. And right at the start I have to say I've never seen a zombie movie in my life. But if Obama eats my brain doesn't that make him my zombie ?


COOOooooool !

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Friday, October 31, 2008 10:16 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero: I accept that you think that I am grieving but I deny (without speaking for or with anyone else) and in fact am angry that that you would say such a thing and perhaps we can agree to disagree (such an agreeing being some sort of bargain).
It get's better Hero. Imagine how great it would be if those slacker 18-30 year olds don't vote along with African Americans and Obama looses!...

I'm pretty sure the next day I would be seen on a bar stool with a 7-11 Slurpee cup filled up all the way with a mixture of Scotch and 151, and a .45 in the other hand....while with very slurred speech I would wail "You're not takin' me alive stooges...hic! I mean...stages of grief!!!"

totaly kidding about the gun stuff


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Friday, October 31, 2008 10:30 AM

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Friday, October 31, 2008 10:43 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Sorry to break the bad news, but a lot of us already voted. So we will be staying home on election day, I guess you can try to take comfort in that.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 11:24 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
The reason I posted the above article is to demoralise Obama supporters so they won't show up and vote.

Oh yes, some dude says the world still won't be as I want it to be even when Obama is president. Oh heavens! Oh noes! I'm so demoralized that I'll just stay home on election day!

Kirkules, you're more deluded than I realized.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 11:37 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules: That's exactly what I'm counting on. The reason I posted the above article is to demoralise Obama supporters so they won't show up and vote. Whozit is following a different track that will be even more efective. If he can convince just a few Obama supporteers that an Obama win is inevitable, they'll just stay home on election day and smoke pot and play video games.
I admire you for rolling up the sleeves and taking things into your own hands. That embodies the pioneer spirit that America needs. I'm not joking when I say that.

Oh, and the demoralized thing...won't happen. And I don't smoke pot, or drink, but video games...Call of Duty!...yes. But of course I voted by absentee ballot a few weeks ago....for Obama.

I'm in California and thats a foregone victory for any Democrat. And for our next trick...we'll cure our economic difficulties by seceeding from the union. So long tiny tax revenue parasite monkey states! So long middle eastern wars!! Ooops, off topic and no offense to anyone in a small monkey state.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 11:42 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Ooops, off topic and no offense to anyone in a small monkey state.

Don't worry, they already know they suck.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:02 PM

STORYMARK


Yeah, don't hold your breath on the demoralization tack. Or even the overconfidence. I voted for Obama a week ago. Just about everyone I know - even the pot smokers and video game players - have as well. In my state, the estimate is that 2/3s of registered voters have already done so.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:43 PM

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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:46 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Dude, seriously, did you even read any of the posts ?

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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:58 PM

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:03 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


So, are you saying Obama is the zombie and not his followers ?

And do you think this has anything to do with reality ?

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Seems to me if anyone is going to be demoralized and stay home, it'll be the old coots who would've voted for McCain if it hadn't been time for their nap.

Here in Austin they're saying that more people have voted early than voted at all in 2004 - and they're HOPING that half the registered voters will vote early. Which means they still expect an awful lot of votes on election day.

A huge number of those votes are going to Obama, despite the Democrats in Texas being "demoralized" by the fact that Texas is a foregone Republican state. But some polls show Obama within the margin of error, making Texas a possible battleground state.

Either way, it looks like this election might do wonders for voter involvement and turnout in this country. That's kind of the IDEA of an election, right? Get people to show up and vote?

Mike

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:25 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


NNNOOO-ooo.

The IDEA is to get more votes than the other guy, and if you can't get the votes for your side it means you have to deprive millions of voters on the other side of their vote. At least, that's the idea of democracy if you're a repubican.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Careful with that demoralisation tactic, overplayed, it tends to turn into an angry horde with pitchforks and torches.

You need to learn subtlety Kirk, if you wanna sap folks political will, they really need to never know you're doing it, be coming to YOU for comfort, sympathy and platitudes...
(and a tiny dose of poison they think is medicine )

As for the rest......

I sincerely hope he still has that box of Obama Waffles we gave him, and has it for his first breakfast in the oval office.

Be even cooler if he left the box on the desk for his first televised address too, heh heh.

But, required snark having been delivered - let's NOT take our thumb off this guy, ok ?

Getting him in the office is not the end of the fight, just the beginning, once he's there we MUST keep the thumb on his ass to keep it from getting out of line.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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But thanks for the vote of confidence in Obama - he really should do great "win" he steps in. I'm glad you've accepted his victory and are standing so proudly (and arrogantly, I'll bet) behind him.




Yup, and if he asked you to blow him, you probably would. Good job man.



Me? Not so much. You and Palin would probably have fun tag-teaming him, though.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Getting him in the office is not the end of the fight, just the beginning, once he's there we MUST keep the thumb on his ass to keep it from getting out of line.



It's not the beginning of the end, it's just the end of the beginning.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Confessions of a Political Junkie:

I'm getting all jazzed up about Election Day. I've worked overtime to get ahead at work, I'm working this weekend to get FURTHER ahead, and I've already scheduled off next Wednesday - my first day off in about 8 months. I'll be staying up all night watching the returns, channel surfing from one outlet to the other looking for the early call on the election.

And needless to say, I've already got the champagne chilling. I figure one way or another, I'll need it; I'll either be celebrating late into the night, or drowning my sorrows into the morning... It's going to be an interesting night!

Mike



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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:44 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


I'll be at work, with the sparkling cider.

Some people here (not me) have been optimistic for weeks. So, I got prepared to celebrate.

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Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:06 PM

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