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Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:29 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Dick Cheney Indicted by Texas Grand Jury



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Texas grand jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales of crime

Nov 19, 2008

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A grand jury in South Texas indicted U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and former attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Tuesday for "organized criminal activity" related to alleged abuse of inmates in private prisons.

The indictment has not been seen by a judge, who could dismiss it.

The grand jury in Willacy County, in the Rio Grande Valley near the U.S.-Mexico border, said Cheney is "profiteering from depriving human beings of their liberty," according to a copy of the indictment obtained by Reuters.

The indictment cites a "money trail" of Cheney's ownership in prison-related enterprises including the Vanguard Group (Wackenhut), which owns an interest in private prisons in south Texas.

Former attorney general Gonzales used his position to "stop the investigations as to the wrong doings" into assaults in county prisons, the indictment said.

Cheney's office declined comment. "We have not received any indictments. I can't comment on something we have not received," said Cheney's spokeswoman Megan Mitchell.

The indictment, overseen by county District Attorney Juan Guerra, cites the case of Gregorio De La Rosa, who died on April 26, 2001, inside a private prison in Willacy County.

The grand jury wrote it made its decision "with great sadness," but said they had no other choice but to indict Cheney and Gonzales "because we love our country."

Texas is the home state of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Bush and his Republican administration, which first took office in January 2001, leave the White House on January 20 after the November presidential elections won by Democrat Barack Obama. Gonzales was attorney general from 2005 to 2007.

www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4AI11B20081119?rpc=64


Dick Cheney's 2 arrests and 2 convictions for drunk driving:
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

Drunk Dick Cheney shoots lawyer in head:





Dick Cheney hunts naked women and little girls in The Most Dangerous Game:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=cathy+obrien&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


As Jon Stewart said on The Daily Show, "Is there any part of human suffering that Dick Cheney ISN'T making money from?"

It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied.

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:53 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Bush already pardoned 100s of felons, so guess what Cheney gets for Xmas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush

But this indictment does prove that any politician can be arrested and idicted at any time. Impeachment not required.

Amerika is a nation of spineless cowards, as proven by millions of cops failing to make immediate arrest of Bush and Cheney, and and 100s of millions of slaves failing to make citizen's arrests of Bush and Cheney.

Obama's job is to obstruct justice by blocking prosecution of Bush and Cheney, as confessed by mobster Nancy Pelosi.



Cocaine dealer Obama is Bush's cousin, and already genocided 1,500 black Christians and arsoned 800 Christian churches, so of course he'll play the game.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamanation-raped-killed-100
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Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I'll never understand the Left's hatred for Cheney. Maybe it's because he's not a girly man like Gore, and they can't think of anything of substance to hate him over.

Who knows ?


One of life's strange, bizarre mysteries.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:37 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I do believe the Judge pitched it, PN, but what else would you expect from a fellow member of the ruling criminal class but that they would defend their peers, eh ?

-F

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Friday, December 5, 2008 2:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I'll never understand the Left's hatred for Cheney. Maybe it's because he's not a girly man like Gore, and they can't think of anything of substance to hate him over.

Who knows ?



And I'll never understand the Right's blind hatred for Gore.

Another of life's mysteries...


Mike

It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied.

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Friday, December 5, 2008 3:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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I'll never understand the Left's hatred for Cheney. Maybe it's because he's not a girly man like Gore, and they can't think of anything of substance to hate him over.

Who knows ?



And I'll never understand the Right's blind hatred for Gore.

Another of life's mysteries...


mike





No mystery at all. Gore has whipped up this faux frenzy of Global Warming, all as a reaction to gain attention for himself, brought on by losing the 2000 election. It's his quest to kill *'ManBearPig , and nothing more. But his personal gratification will likely affect billions of people and cost the world trillions in wasted $$, uselessly spent in dealing w/ a false crisis , one which mankind has no more affect than would a single drop of water into the vast ocean.


Oh, and then there's the whole 'acting black ' thing, where Gore blasted Bush about the Iraq war. from behind the pulpit in a black church. If that's not shameless pandering, then nothing is.






* SouthPark reference. Google it, if you need to know.

or just watch this....






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, December 5, 2008 3:49 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I do believe the Judge pitched it, PN, but what else would you expect from a fellow member of the ruling criminal class but that they would defend their peers, eh ?


Yeah, the Judge tossed it. The Prosecutor had a hissy fit.

Oddly the Prosecutor managed to indict all of his political enemies, the ones who got him ousted.

As for Cheney. I suppose that if your blind trust buys a few shares of stock...that makes you guilty of murder if someone is accidently or negligently killed. No wonder the market is tanking.

Don't invest in Walmart...you could go to jail for assault if someone slips and falls on a wet floor (in winter).

H

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Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:21 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I do believe the Judge pitched it, PN, but what else would you expect from a fellow member of the ruling criminal class but that they would defend their peers, eh ?

-F


The Bush-appointed judge did NOT reverse the indictment based on LAW or FACT, but because of an alleged technicality in how 2 of the grand jurors were sworn in. The prosecutor will be out of office next month, because that same judge conducted a vendetta against him during the 2008 primary. Otherwise this DA would appeal the bottom judge's opinion with easy victory. The new DA will of course fail to appeal, since the Demorat Party has already done a deal to refuse to indict or impeach the Bush-Cheney Gang.

Here's more facts on Cheney and Gonzalez crimes in prison. Cheney's indictment was for abuse in his private prisons, with murders and rapes. Other Texas juvenile prisons were busted running pedophile sexslave operations, with judges, politicians and cops lining up to have sex with the children. I'm not sure if Cheney owned those prisons, but Gonzalez and Bush Jr certainly had opportunity to obstruct justice.

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Texas Juvenile Detention Centers Cope With Charges of Rape, Abuse
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265924,00.html

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"Pedophiles get themselves into the system and abuse kids," contends Randall Chance, a former Texas inspector general and a TYC employee for 21 years. "And the system allows it. There's a dynasty of covering up."


Texas Youth Prison Sex Scandal Hearings
www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/9/183557/6373
www.hongpong.com/archives/2007/03/28/late_breaking_upcoming_texas_yout
h_commission_rove_sparked_pedophilia_scandal_promises_kill_gonzales




WH/Justice Dept Coverup Pedophilia Cases

By Wayne Madsen, National Security Agency
3-27-7

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' 'loyal Bushie' U.S. Attorney for Western Texas covered up a major pedophile scandal with the connivance of the Justice Department's Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, already under pressure for firing several U.S. Attorneys not considered "loyal Bushies," now faces another scandal. Albert Moskowitz, the Chief of the Criminal Section of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, sent a letter dated September 27, 2005, to the Superintendent of the Texas Youth Commission's West Texas State School youth detention facility declining the prosecution of two of the Texas agency's employees -- Ray Brookins and John Hernandez -- for engaging in sexual molestation of 10 underage males incarcerated at the facility. The charges of molestation were originally brought by Texas Ranger Brian J. Burzynski. Earlier, in a July 28, 2005 letter, the Assistant US Attorney for West Texas, Bill Baumann, who works for US Attorney Johnny Sutton, a close friend of Gonzales, sent a letter to Burzynski declining federal prosecution in the pedophile case. In a decision that indicates that the Gonzales Justice Department defines child molestation in very narrow and high threshold terms, Baumann wrote that the young men at the West Texas facility that claimed they were raped by Brookins and Hernandez did not sustain "bodily injury" or "bodily pain." Baumann also defined aggravated sexual assault as resulting from a "perpetrator knowingly causing his victim to engage in a sexual act (which can include contact between the mouth and penis) by force against the victim or by threatening or placing the victim in fear that the victim (or any other person) will be subjected to death, serious bodily injury or kidnapping). Baumann stated, "I do not believe that sufficient evidence exists to support a charge that either Brookins or Hernandez used force to cause victims to engage in a sexual act."

Astonishingly, Baumann also writes that "none of the victims admit they consented to the sexual contact" with the juvenile facility employees. However, Baumann then suggests that the underage males came on to the prison guards and were "simply 'getting off' on the school administrator. Baumann also indicates that "many students" were "retained at the West Texas State School long after their initial release date" but that "it would be difficult to prove that either Mr. Brookins or Mr. Hernandez prevented their release." The clear indication is that Brookins and Hernandez kept the boys incarcerated in order to continue to sodomize them. Baumann, who appears to be borrowing heavily from the tracts of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), suggests that sex between the underage males and detention facility personnel is perfectly legitimate as long as the sex is consensual. There are also reports that detained youth in the Texas Youth system are transported from various facilities for purposes of prostitution.

After the allegations about abuse at the West Texas detention facility became public, Hernandez was forced to resign as principal at a Midland, Texas charter school. A Ward County grand jury is investigating the case.

There are now reports that pedophilia extends to other youth detention facilities in Texas. The Texas Sheltered Care Facility in Nixon, in south Texas, is being investigated for the abuse, including sexual molestation of detained Latin American immigrant youth housed at the center. The facility is operated by Away from Home, Inc. Some 72 children were relocated from the facility after the abuse charges were raised. The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services investigated the Nixon facility and referred the case to US Attorney Johnny Sutton and the FBI. However, once again, Sutton decided "the alleged activity, which as the focus of the investigation, could likely be more effectively addressed by the state of Texas prosecutorial authorities." FBI agent Erik Vasys told the Houston Chronicle that the FBI was "disappointed" in the failure of the Justice Department to bring charges. Presidential adviser Karl Rove has been implicated by child welfare advocates in Texas in the failure of the Justice Department to prosecute the Texas child abuse and pedophilia cases. Indictments in the case prepared by the US Attorney for West Texas were reportedly spiked on the orders of the White House and Justice Department.

Baumann states that Burzynski "thoroughly investigated the allegations brought to your attention by the Texas Youth Commission" and promptly interviewed all witnesses and victims, gathered appropriate documentation from school officials and executed a federal search warrant at the residence of Mr. Hernandez at West Texas State School in Pyote." Baumann concludes, " It is my opinion, however, that our office's resources would be better employed investigating and prosecuting cases involving more clearly defined violations of federal criminal law."

The decision of the Gonzales Justice Department to decline prosecution of pedophiles within the Texas Youth Commission juvenile detention system mirrors its failure to take prompt action last year in the case of former Representative Mark Foley (R-FL), whose e-mails with underage male congressional pages were turned over to the Justice Department for investigation. On October 3, 2006, WMR reported the following:

"WMR has learned from informed sources in the Justice Department that the salacious e-mails from Rep. Mark Foley were leaked to ABC News by career Justice Department prosecutors and FBI agents who are incensed that Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales covered up the House page scandal for political reasons. The back story of Pagegate is that there was a criminal conspiracy by the top political leadership of the Justice Department to cover up the predatory activities of Foley and other GOP members of Congress since at least 2003 and, likely, as early as 2001."

Rove and Gonzales look out for the interests of NAMBLA in the latest scandal to rock the Bush administration. Bush family continues its long family tradition of promoting and protecting pedophiles.

The GOP Congress and the Justice Department, under orders from the White House, successfully covered up the Pagegate scandal. Similar acts of pedophilia involving sodomy and other sexually explicit conduct with underage males were carried out at the U.S. detention center in Abu Ghraib, Iraq. The Donald Rumsfeld Pentagon, with the support of the White House, covered up those incidents. Pedophilia and the Bush family spans two generations. George H. W. Bush covered up a major prostitution scandal involving underage males in the late 1980s. The scandal involved the use of child prostitutes and congressional pages, some of whom were given midnight tours of the Bush White House by the late GOP lobbyist Craig Spence. According to The Franklin Coverup: Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska,

www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-Up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/096321580
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by former Nebraska Republican State Senator John DeCamp, the 1980s scandal also involved Nebraska's Boys Town orphanage, child prostitutes from around the country, NAMBLA, top GOP officials in Nebraska, including Franklin Savings and Loan chief Lawrence ("Larry') King. The Franklin Scandal, as it is known, also implicated George H. W. Bush in at least one sexual encounter with a 19-year old African American male named Brent.

Pedophilia and the Bush family also extend to Florida. While Jeb Bush was governor, the Florida Department of Children and Families "lost" a number of computer files and falsified other files implicating state employees and foster parents in serious cases of child abuse. There were also cases of children in state care, including a five-year old Miami girl being "lost." Democratic state legislators in Florida laid direct blame for the incidents at the feet of Jeb Bush.

Note: There is no middle ground with pedophilia. Either government officials prosecute pedophile offenders or they do not. If they do not, it is clear that they are either pedophiles themselves or aid and abet in pedophile activities. In either case, it is a crime. Congress and the FBI should take a close look at Alberto Gonzales, Albert Moskowitz, Johnny Sutton, Bill Baumann, and Karl Rove.

www.waynemadsenreport.com




Homohooker Jeff Gannon toured the Jr Bush White House 200 times...
www.johnnygosch.com


Homosexual pedophiles in Reagan BushSr White House
www.infowars.com/articles/world/tom_flocco_arrested_tied_to_wh_child_s
ex_ring.htm



Homo pedophile pimp Barney Frank's extortion partner was murdered in their DC bordello

Jewish Congressman Frank is in charge of the $8.5-Trillion Bankster Bailout Scam.


Homosexual Jewish Israeli Army Mossad officer Rahmbo Emmanuelle is homosexual King Obama's White House chief of staff and dictator of the Demoratic Party

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Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:19 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll never understand the Left's hatred for Cheney.

I'll never understand anyone's defense of an incompetent big-business schmuck selling out his nation's best interests and getting American troops killed in the process.
But then, many liked (& still honour) Hitler, so maybe I just don't get the whole 'he's a hero for causing needless death' thing.
Go ahead & bow to this dangerous drunk that shoots his friends in the face if you will, AU, &
colour me out of touch for my lack of scumbag appreciation, K?


The harsh Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:12 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Well, I admire Cheney's bravado - it takes a lot of balls to take no less than FIVE deferments to keep your ass out of service during the Viet Nam war, all while being a loud proponent of said war. That's chutzpah

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:55 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Well, I admire Cheney's bravado - it takes a lot of balls to take no less than FIVE deferments to keep your ass out of service during the Viet Nam war, all while being a loud proponent of said war. That's chutzpah

The kind of chutzpah approved of by AURaptor, it seems.


The tsk tsk Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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I'll never understand anyone's defense of an incompetent big-business schmuck selling out his nation's best interests and getting American troops killed in the process.


Show the incompetence.

Show where he sold out anyone.

Show how Cheney , and not Saddam , or Congress, or the President, is solely somehow responsible for the war in Iraq.

Please, make a case, and don't simply parrot empty claims from the Hate Cheney at all cost crowd.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The one good thing about a state indictment is that the Prez can't pardon him.

Let the games begin!

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:50 AM

CHRISISALL



Show the competence.

Show where he did not sell out anyone.

Show how Saddam, Congress, and the President are solely somehow responsible for the war in Iraq, and that Cheney had no part in it's enactment.

Please, make a case, and don't simply parrot empty claims from the Pro-Cheney at all cost crowd.




The back-atcha Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:03 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SignyM:
The one good thing about a state indictment is that the Prez can't pardon him.

Let the games begin!


But Signy, the following did not occur, according to his Highness AU:

1. manipulated intelligence and media so as to allege falsely a national security threat posed by Iraq

— provided a forged document dated October 2000, describing the sale of uranium to Iraq by Niger to the International Atomic Energy Commission and used that sale in the State of the Union Address

(TRUTH: CIA claimed that Bush knew beforehand that the document was bogus.)

— justified war against Iraq by providing false information, including weapons of mass destruction (WMD)

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." – Bush’s Address to the Nation (March 17, 2003)

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

– Cheney’s Speech at Veterans of Foreign Wars 103rd National Convention (August 26, 2002)

(TRUTH: No WMD)

— misled the nation to believe Iraq was linked to the terrorist attacks of September 11th by Al-Qaeda

"He (Saddam Hussein) was a threat because he had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He was a threat because he was a sworn enemy to the United States of America, just like Al-Qaeda. He was a threat because he had terrorist connections — not only Al-Qaeda connections, but other connections to terrorist organizations." – Bush (New York Times 6-18-2004)

“If we’re successful in Iraq…we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under the assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.” – Cheney (Meet The Press 9-14-2003)

(TRUTH: Commission Investigation Report on Sept. 11 terrorist attacks found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and the Al-Qaeda terrorists. The only relationship was that Al-Qaeda contacted Iraq for support but was rejected. Al-Qaeda terrorists didn’t operate in Iraq until after the invasion by the U.S. military forces.)


2. deceived the Congress on the rationale for a war of aggression against Iraq and miscarried the action of the Congress

(Violation of the Federal Anti-conspiracy Statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371 and The False Statements Accountability Act of 1996, 18 U.S.C. § 1001)

— submitted a false report and a letter (March 18, 2003) to the United States Congress on the reasons for launching a ‘pre-emptive attack’ on Iraq (Downing Street Memo, dated July 23, 2002, revealed that by the summer of 2002, President Bush had decided to launch a war against Iraq with the justification of terrorism and WMD based on ‘fixed’ facts and intelligence.)

(Violation of Article 1 Section 8)

(TRUTH: The Oct. 2002 resolution passed by the Congress gave Bush the authority “to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States….” The resolution never granted the president authority to declare war on Iraq. In fact, only Congress can declare war for the United States.)

(Violation of Article II Section 3)

— shifted money allocated by Congress for the war in Afghanistan to the war in Iraq. (President can only execute the laws passed by Congress.)



3. ignoring the executive duty to protect the American citizens and the country

— failed as leaders in their dereliction of duty in preventing September 11 terrorist attacks

(Commission Investigation Report on September 11 terrorist attacks noted that the Bush Administration received heightened warnings of possible terrorist attacks in the summer of 2001 and a presidential daily briefing (August 6, 2001 – a month before September 11) regarding an imminent terrorist attack on U.S. soil.)

(Violation of Bill of Rights: Fifth Amendment)

— denying the citizen’s constitutional rights for a fair trial

(Confining American citizens without charges and denying their fundamental rights for due process of law.)

— diverting military resources from pursuing known terrorists in Afghanistan

(As the Commander-in-Chief, Bush diverted military resources from Afghanistan to Iraq. Instead of conducting an all-out effort in pursuing known terrorists, such as Osama Bin Laden who have repeatedly attacked the United States of America, the U.S. military forces were diverted to invade and occupy Iraq. To this day, Osama Bin Laden remains at large and still a threat.)



4. waging an illegal war in Iraq

(Violation of Article VI)

— defied the decisions of the United Nations against attacking Iraq is a violation of the UN Charter

(Violation of Article VI)

— committing a war of aggression is a violation of the Nuremberg Charter

(killing and injuring hundred thousands of civilians)

(Violation of Article VI and Article III Section 3)

— authorizing the use of torture on detainees in prison camps, such as the infamous Iraq's Abu Ghraib and Cuba's Guantanamo Bay

(As the Commander-in-Chief, Bush is accountable for the U.S. military personnel in violating the Geneva Convention and the U.S. Constitution against torture ratified in 1994.)










The last angry Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Show the competence.

Show where he did not sell out anyone.

Show how Saddam, Congress, and the President are solely somehow responsible for the war in Iraq, and that Cheney had no part in it's enactment.

Please, make a case, and don't simply parrot empty claims from the Pro-Cheney at all cost crowd.





The burden of proof lies on those making the charge.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:34 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


The burden of proof lies on those making the charge.


Read my last post, genius.

Oh, that's right, OJ did not kill Nicole- they had no case, and neither do I, nor most of the western world, only AU & his merry band of Rightwingnuts knows the truth, and sadly, your member numbers are dwindling every day. Be sure in twenty years to explain to everyone that the commonly held belief that Bush & Chenry's reign was NOT the worst in American History, and that the scholars are all WRONG about it, and that you were THERE, backing these two exemplary icons of freedom & justice, now won'tcha?


The ironical Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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. manipulated intelligence and media so as to allege falsely a national security threat posed by Iraq


The VP has no power , authority or any means to " manipulate intelligence " . A complete load.


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H: CIA claimed that Bush knew beforehand that the document was bogus.)


Lie - The director of the CIA said his intel was solid, and that the case against Iraq and its WMD was " a slam dunk. " George Tenet's very own words ( a Clinton hold over )


We see how the Left makes its bogus charges up, and then cons the gullible public into believing the lies with authoritative and legal sounding language. But in dissecting their so called claims, it's easier to cut through these than a wet tissue.








It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:05 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The VP has no power , authority or any means to " manipulate intelligence " . A complete load.

Apologies AU, but you are the only load on this one. He did it, case closed.

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The director of the CIA said his intel was solid, and that the case against Iraq and its WMD was " a slam dunk. " George Tenet's very own words ( a Clinton hold over )
A public assertion, in private it was very different, but don't let facts get in the way of you views, but then, you never do.
You're wrong here, that's all that matters to me.
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We see how the Left makes its bogus charges up, and then cons the gullible public into believing the lies with authoritative and legal sounding language.

So if it's substantiated in a courtroom, the charges STILL will not be true, eh AU? Typical 'Rappy-style duplicity, heh heh.

Thanks for proving me right, once again (don't you get tired of this endless failure?).




The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:28 AM

CHRISISALL


HA HA HA HA!!
Well, what do you know... I finally got the last word!


The McCoy-like Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Apologies AU, but you are the only load on this one. He did it, case closed.



Proof ? Committee after committee found there was no manipulation , what so ever, of the intell.

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A public assertion, in private it was very different, but don't let facts get in the way of you views, but then, you never do.
You're wrong here, that's all that matters to me.



Now you're just making up excuses to not back up your ridiculous claims. What he tells the President in confidence had better be the damned best , straight forward and honest to Buddha legit shit.

There's nothing substantiated in any courtroom, clueless. All this is nothing more than hate filled Left wingers and their wet dream of a crusade against the V.P.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Monday, December 8, 2008 6:27 AM

CHRISISALL


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There's nothing substantiated in any courtroom, clueless.


Hey! No fair posting!!! I HAD the last word already!!!!

Your post is less than worthless in any case or do you NOT remember positing the idea that court decisions can be politically influenced, and thus a decision you view as 'incorrect' invalidates a court ruling or judgement in your eyes, therefore retaining your ability to be 'right' on any issue, no matter that facts, public and/or world opinion, or A COURT OF U.S. LAW may disagree with you.

"Raptorites do not argue for a reason, they simply argue."
-Sarek


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Monday, December 8, 2008 6:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
All this is nothing more than hate filled Left wingers and their wet dream of a crusade against the V.P.


This was never about the Vice President, the war, or intellegence. This is the Bush-haters hating Bush and it comes from the 2000 election.

The fact of the matter is everybody was wrong on this issue to some extent and the blame can go in a hundred different directions. Make take is that the intellegence failures on the WMD issue came from Iraq's very effective coverup of their impotence after the first Gulf War. The failure to anticipate and combat the insurgency came from the failure to deploy additional combat forces at the outset. Perhaps had the 4th ID come in through Turkey on Day 1 as originally planned rather then they'd have had the strength to do what needed to be done and the postwar plans would have been more effective.

The war remains one that needed to be fought. Imagine the oil crisis and the recent Isreali-Palestinian flare ups with Saddam still in there making trouble (and with five more years of rebuilding under his belt...this time with much higher oil revenues).

And remember the War on Terror is not just looking for a bunch of guys sitting in caves waiting to be killed. Al Queda continues to think strategically, as the recent attempt to orchestrate a war between India and Pakistan showed (Pakistan forced to redeploy their army to the India-Pakistan border...followed by a move to close the Kyber Pass which is the supply route for 80% of the supplies NATO and the US are moving into Afganistan).

H

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Monday, December 8, 2008 6:53 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

This was never about the Vice President, the war, or intellegence.

ENNNHHHH, wrong answer Hans, wanna go for double jeopardy where the stakes can really increase?
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The war remains one that needed to be fought.

I think of it as an issue that needed to be dealt with, why is all-out war discussed by some as the ONLY option?
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Al Queda continues to think strategically, as the recent attempt to orchestrate a war between India and Pakistan showed (Pakistan forced to redeploy their army to the India-Pakistan border...followed by a move to close the Kyber Pass which is the supply route for 80% of the supplies NATO and the US are moving into Afganistan).


Gee, maybe if we hadn't diverted attention OFF them and ONTO Saddam, they might not be in a position to do this, ya think?


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Monday, December 8, 2008 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
why is all-out war discussed by some as the ONLY option?


It was never the only option. Many option were discussed and even on the eve of war it could have been averted had Saddam agreed to leave Iraq and live in excile (probably in Libya).
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Gee, maybe if we hadn't diverted attention OFF them and ONTO Saddam, they might not be in a position to do this, ya think?


No, I do not agree. In fact your assessment does not fit the evolving strategic situation that existed in 2001, 2003, 2006, and now. It should be noted that efforts to start a war between India and Pakistan to close American supply routes into Pakistan have been ongoing since November of 2001.

H

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Monday, December 8, 2008 8:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Chris,

You're a doodie head.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Monday, December 8, 2008 8:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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No, I do not agree. In fact your assessment does not fit the evolving strategic situation that existed in 2001, 2003...



Yeah, because we all know how RIGHT those assessments proved to be! WMD! WMD! WMD!

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Monday, December 8, 2008 11:00 AM

CHRISISALL


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Chris,

You're a doodie head.


I'll be notifying Haken as to your heinous language here, AU


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Monday, December 8, 2008 11:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

your assessment does not fit the evolving strategic situation that existed in 2001, 2003, 2006, and now.

Oh, okay, so they just couldn't have & can't be stopped then, let's just pack up our toys & go home...you make no sense here Hero, but, perhaps you just aren't explaining it fully, though.


The tactical Chrisisall

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