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Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:35 AM
So anyway, Finn, any comment my post, in which I question the ultimate purpose of capital punishment?
Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:47 AM
Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:26 AM
Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:31 AM
Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...
Quote:Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Evil, in my example, in the context I thought I presented clearly enough, is just anti-survival urges in the human psyche brought on by post-environmental population toxicity: an emergent attempt by nature to curb the epidemic spread of the human species. But, oh yeah, original sin and dichotomy fit in there, too. Somewhere. I'm sure. :banghead:
Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:39 AM
Quote:Not sure if this was a reference to HK's post?
Quote:I still don't get which institutions you are referring to
Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue:
What I find really disenheartening is that many, many people here seem to be relating to their childhood issues ad infinitum, often without realizing it, and never quite get beyond them.
It's sad. To grow older and older and never quite become an adult.
Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:46 PM
Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:14 PM
Quote:Re: Neurochemical Processes.
Quote:I hope you have some time on your hands then, cause Doc Perry's work is real heavy on this sorta thing, especially as it relates to the HPA axis and Fight-Freeze-Flight reaction, but it's seriously "heavy lifting" to read without the associated medical/scientific backgrounding.
Two especially good ones to start from are here.
The main site link for fav placing - http://www.childtrauma.org/
Basically, any full-time residential/incarcerative facility that uses behavior modification processes on children and/or teens that are known to be in fact harmful in physical or psychological fashion.
Reform Schools, Boot Camps, Training Schools, whatever euphamism they hide behind - especially those run by WWASP, cause that was an offshoot of the Synanon Cult originally financed and co-opted by a certain blackops program involving behavior modification research.
Quote:Those who survive and thrive after "treatment" at these hellholes do so by a form of learned/trained sociopathy that makes them absolutely perfect recruits to carry out "plans", in short high end triggermen, meant as mission capable rather than actual trigger-pullers, which are a dime a dozen.
I play on that myself, cause if you get to them early enough, you can re-integrate them into a semi-normal life, but the fanatic loyalty is still there, often to a degree that requires a very tight ROE if you wanna keep them out of trouble.
Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:30 PM
Quote:Basically, any full-time residential/incarcerative facility that uses behavior modification processes on children and/or teens that are known to be in fact harmful in physical or psychological fashion.
Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:29 PM
Monday, January 19, 2009 12:39 AM
Monday, January 19, 2009 2:06 AM
Quote:Mmm, tasty rant-o-licious, but very informative.
Quote:Yes, these places still exist, and they number easily in the hundreds, we do some of our own investigating to determine whether a facility meets the criteria or not, but our people are far outclassed by Shelby on this. http://www.isaccorp.org/ (Pathway is one of my pet hatreds, mind)
Quote:See, I got involved back when these places were considered naught more than a conspiracy theory or myth, and while originally we might have started out as a bunch of crack brained terroristic saboteurs retaliating against the collective that destroyed some of our friends - we eventually evolved from crowbars to cameras, cause exposure does far more damage to them.
Quote:Synanon was partially financed by the Monarch/Bluebird line of those schemes, many of which ran concurrently in competition with each other at the time, something we discovered by accident while sweeping their trashbins of documents they were not smart enough to shred first.
Quote:Considering the length and depth of involvement, which is now obvious, by now you can be assured I have massive amounts of evidence of all kinds, right down to in one case the security cam tapes of the incident itself - because of that evidence, the GAO report sponsored by Congressman George Miller, and our ability to make casualties public, the in-program deaths dropped off radically around October 2006, but till that point they were all too common. (In fact I keep a casualty list, and have posted those of others a couple times.)
Quote:Now, I don't handle any of this from a drug abuse/addiction standpoint, what my interest comes from is that there are some folk, particularly in public schools, that wind up in these hellholes because the programming, so very counter to their own human instincts - doesn't stick, some people are incredibly resistant to it by nature, you see ? And so, they get thrown into one of THESE places.
Quote:And we get em out, back then that involved more of a prison-break methodology but now it's more a matter of showing up with the right paperwork - the folks who run these places find Caica and all the rest to be an annoyance at best, but they *fear* running afoul of a collective that doesn't play by the unspoken rules, and will cough them up as the fee to avoid a head-on confrontation, of which there have been a few both messy and memorable on both ends, while not gonna discuss it beyond that, this came damn close to a private war in 2006, only ended by attrition and those running the facilities deciding to stop provoking it by ending some of their more drastic deeds.
Quote:And the ones we take - they more often than not wind up working for us, you understand.
Quote:As for neurochemistry, what I know would fit in a thimble, but a damn specific one, and I got enough empirical experience with broken people to know damn well Perry's on the right track as far as I can see from that angle, and Alice Miller is dead-bang on the psychological.
Quote:My place in it these days is more of a spiritual leader for an organisation built out of rescuees and survivors, since my primary skills are no longer so useful due to age and injury, too damn old and battered to be creeping these places in the dark with a camera and kitbag anymore, especially since there's plenty of younger, more able folk with better training to serve that purpose.
Quote:As for the Sembler/Lichfield/Kay collectives, they've got their own personal interest in nothing bad happening to me, cause if it does, the contents of certain safes and boxes will get wilded to the internet, law enforcement, the public at large, etc - and in such a way that action will *have* to be taken to pacify an outraged public, something I'd be inclined to do anyway were the contents not so damn personally incriminating.
Quote:Anyhows, you're perfectly capable of putting two plus two together here without me needing to add it up for ya, so I think you've finally gotten the general concept of what I do in a general form, which is all you really need to know about it.
Monday, January 19, 2009 5:17 AM
Where to begin? 7"? Really? Is that all? That doesn't seem very tall. Maybe you meant 7 feet...
Quote:And he was obviously a democrat. If he were a Republican, he'd have shoved his hand down your pants while crying about how shamed he was about it.
Quote:Oh, by the way - it wasn't me! I'm not exactly 7 feet tall, but I'm not far from it at 6'9"...
Monday, January 19, 2009 7:24 AM
Monday, January 19, 2009 7:40 AM
Quote:Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need.
Quote:As I see it, public education is the more major threat.
Quote:I'm not sure which programming you are referring to? The public schools are a hell hole, and their programming is so very counter to human instinct.
Quote:But the idea, by its nature is not nefarious. Fighting the network and tptb would definitely take some of the tactics that your opponents are using. It's just a tricky, tricky world.
Quote:I think that if institutions were to become state run, or even state supervised, then things would definitely get worse, in terms of any possible efficacy of the project.
Quote:That guy is oversimplifying the problem, but he's also not wrong.
Quote:such is the life of the superspy
Quote:the success of anyone else is generally because either tptb support the idea, or because they failed to notice it was there.
Quote:great destructive forces
Monday, January 19, 2009 7:42 AM
Monday, January 19, 2009 8:06 AM
Quote:maybe I can get that lilium on mp3.
Monday, January 19, 2009 11:52 AM
Quote: Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need.
As an anarchist, you can pretty well imagine my reaction at the mere thought, I don't believe in Govt as the solution to ANY problem.
But I do believe in people.
Quote: Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need.
Quote:What kicked off the GAO intervention was a certain congressman George Miller, who got very suspicious of these places and decided to start hitting them after hours without calling ahead - and prettymuch got the shock of his entire jaded life, which turned it personal for him. I don't count on them to DO anything mind you, but if they wind up setting any kind of standards and limits on what these places cannot legally do to those under their care we can document endless violations (cause we know damn well they're not gonna change how they work, only try to hide it better) and cause all manner of trouble for them on that end.
Quote:Turning one element of the system against another, back on itself like Ouroborous the serpent, swallowing it's own tail, is one of my best tactics when going up against such bad odds - and it's not that hard to do.
As I see it, public education is the more major threat.
Not gonna debate that a bit, but that's a battle you can fight in the open without the need for smoke & mirrors, deniability and such.
At least for now...
As I see it, public education is the more major threat.
Quote:Quote:I'm not sure which programming you are referring to? The public schools are a hell hole, and their programming is so very counter to human instinct.
Both, public schools employ a form of social engineering that is extremely counter to natural human instincts and I feel that this is the root cause of most of the aberrant behavior they wind up endlessly whining about as the two sets of radically different imperatives clash within the minds of children causing all manner of psychological issues which manifest in as many ways as there are human beings.
Quote:And so they try to medicate it, Ritalin, Prozac, whatever - which in the end will fail cause nature itself will work against them and the children of those children, and their children, will become resistant to the drugs, something we're beginning to see already.
Quote:And then for those who resist both the programming, and the drugs, or who's parents won't "play ball" with the system, those kids get tossed into 'second chance' schools like I did, and from there... the camps.
Quote:Not sure if you can imagine the environment that was, to be punished and ostracised for no better reason than seeing through the masquerade and refusing to play along, having friend after friend "dissappeared" to the camps, never knowing when it might happen to you.
Quote:In the end I walked at the very moment I could legally get away with it, and then went and bagged up the paper/GED at sixteen (there was a way you could do so back then, if you knew how) and never looked back.
Quote:Some few of us dropouts, rejects and renegades then decided to do something about that shit, and we did - most of them didn't stick, a couple committed suicide, cause it's pretty hard on folk to deal with this, but in the end a force does exist to oppose the camps and those who run them, and with or without any specific individual, including me, it will endure.
Quote:Indeed it is, one of the reasons we use such a tight ROE is to prevent that very problem, to be honest, I HATE zealots and will not work with em cause they leap before they look on mere suspicion and muddy the issue. So we're very keen on actual confirmation, even in the case of WWASP facilities which are by their very form and function almost absolutely assured to be abusive, but we get confirmation FIRST. An Amateur makes assumptions, a Professional makes SURE.
Quote:And yes, using their own tactics against them is pretty much how I work, and why the wide-eyed naive idealists don't like me any better than tptb, or in a few cases hate me even worse - oh well, sometimes getting the job done requires getting dirty, and when it does, best that it be done by someone who's gonna do it right, than some hamfisted amateur who's very shock and horror at the sight of this stuff up close is gonna mentally cripple them just when they need their wits the most.
Quote:That's why I prefer the hardcases with existing personal evils of their own in significant degree - once you've come to terms with your internal demons and wrestled them into submission if not obedience, it tends to insulate one from external horrors, you need *nasty* people to do this work, cause it will completely demolish decent folk in a hurry.
Quote:Quote:I think that if institutions were to become state run, or even state supervised, then things would definitely get worse, in terms of any possible efficacy of the project.
Some of them are, and your assertation they'd be worse is entirely correct, they ARE worse, because certain levels of accountability are removed on any government run or sponsored enterprise.
Quote:Quote:That guy is oversimplifying the problem, but he's also not wrong.
I've seen a lot of evidence, both empirical and a few studies which link some food additives to aberrent behavior, one study from the UK in particular was quite relevant - but so far no one is willing to acknowledge much less address that aspect.
Quote:As for drugs, even weed - a person is welcome to destroy themSELF in any fashion they desire to, my theological beliefs specifically forbid interference with that up to and including an absolute prohibition on interfering with most suicides or even lifesaving care in some cases, but that's me and my personal beliefs, which is why I don't address the drug aspect of the issue, my take is similar to yours for the most part, but due to those beliefs I cannot intervene when someone makes a conscious choice to do that to themselves.
Quote:Now, when it's *forced* on someone, unwilling and for reasons having nothing to do with their own best interests, I'll go fucking berserk, but in a cold, calculating way that ends up with someone paying dearly for it, sure.
Quote:Quote:such is the life of the superspy
LMAO, I was always, always far more cat burglar than anything else, something learned and honed in youthful poverty and indiscretions, and refined, even reformed, in the end to some pretty good purposes, I do work in the security business at this time, primarily residential/industrial security against break-ins and creepers - which means I know *exactly* how to properly secure a place against em cause I used to BE them.
Quote:One of my prime tactics is playing on folks perceived respect of any displayed authority is automatically legitimate and amazingly wide psychological blind spots when it comes to human beings outside of their monkeysphere - you become naught more than part of the scenery to them, seen but never noticed.
Quote:A set of coveralls and a janitors cart will get you into all but the most secure of office buildings, a press pass and a suit, most political gatherings, who even notices one more cab in a major city (I used to drive one till recently) or another flunky in scrubs at a hospital ?
Quote:And imma do it to a certain appliance store in the new future, too, but that's personal - I know damn well that in-store special is a bait and switch, so imma throw on an employee vest and creep the stockroom, and when they try to tell me they don't have any of those two items, imma tell em *exactly* where to look with the Consumer Protection folk handy on speed dial.
Quote:Toldja, imma asshole.
Quote:Quote:the success of anyone else is generally because either tptb support the idea, or because they failed to notice it was there.
Again, that's a big part of our MO, the target never EVER sees it coming until it's too late to do anything about it.
Quote:Again, imma Anarchist, you couldn't print most of my opinions about Govt in a family magazine, and that's a fact.
Quote:As for the nuclear family, I wouldn't know - imma social feral, the latchkey kid of a single mother who more or less worked herself to death for the combine just trying to stay one step ahead of the bill collectors, but was not only fully supportive of me making my own decisions, but also subtly guiding me to become her revenge on a society she felt was abusive, unjust and destructive.
Quote:Believe me, I am well aware of the debt-slavery cycle trap however, I've watched it destroy so many people over the years that I will never see it as anything but destructive.
Quote:We might not be on the same page or even the same side regarding this or that or what have you, but anything that dumps sand in the gears of the machine is of value to me even if I've not figure out how to use it yet.
I wouldn't say that I am any better, mind - just that I want society and Govt to leave folk who want no part of it alone, something which the meddling bastards are utterly incapable of doing by their very nature, and so, if it's them or me....
"We meddle - People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome."
Monday, January 19, 2009 1:27 PM
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Monday, January 19, 2009 3:17 PM
- The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child.
- The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.
- Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.
- The facility does not allow children to follow their religion of choice.
- Staff members must "approve" family members, siblings, friends, or employment.
Monday, January 19, 2009 3:30 PM
Monday, January 19, 2009 4:09 PM
Quote:so-called "History" class regarding the existence and beliefs of the Anti-Federalists
Quote:As for the social environment, I despised it, the ONLY other place on earth you'll find that social dynamic is the penal system, right down to the administration keeping various cliques at each others throats to maintain the status quo.
Quote:Whatever it is that makes a person like other people, want to be around them, need their approval, I was either born without it, never developed it, or simply burned it out
This did not endear me to the other outcasts, since one I got left alone they got the idea that they were then taking my share of the abuse too and avoided me like the plague - so for the next eight years or so I was left so completely alone that my world was almost devoid of human contact given my home situation.
While I do have empathy for other people on an intellectual level, it's NOT instinctive and I've very little ability to bond in that fashion, at least with humans - I do get on better with animals, at a level that creepifies some folk, but humans I can do without, for the most part.
Ergo, I rather intensely hated public school, and they damn well knew it - the only thing keeping me there was both the law, and the need for that stupid bit of paper to secure work enough to put food on the table which didn't involve crime.
Monday, January 19, 2009 4:14 PM
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