Could Al Gore be wrong? by whozit

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Could Al Gore be wrong?

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UPDATED: Monday, January 12, 2009 16:33
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:15 AM

WHOZIT

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0 If he is, does he have to return all those awards?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:33 AM

PIRATECAT

Who's Al Gore. Oh yeh that dude. The bag man for the clintons. The dude who picked up the cash from red china to pay off the clinton campaign debts. He's an idiot. Couldn't even win his home state. Just another scammer.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:34 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

No , of course Al Gore isn't wrong...He's a genius !

He invented the Internet , right ?

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Hot-Lies-Alarmists-Misinformed/dp/1596985380

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:52 AM

RIVERLOVE

Al Gore won a Nobel Prize. That proves he's right. Runner up that year was recently executed Tookie Wilson, convicted multiple murderer-turned Nobel Prize-nominated writer.

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:34 AM

DREAMTROVE

ROFL. No, seriously, this header cracked me up.

Could Al Gore be wrong?

Whoa. Dude. What a concept. It's like saying that cheese might not be able to talk. Whoa.

I think that I posted several times that Al Gore is that very special type of moron that sinks his own cause.

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:12 PM

RIVERLOVE

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think that I posted several times that Al Gore is that very special type of moron that sinks his own cause.

A lot of people would be mad at that. Are you trying to start a fight or something?

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:22 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think that I posted several times that Al Gore is that very special type of moron that sinks his own cause.

A lot of people would be mad at that. Are you trying to start a fight or something?

Nope. Just an objective analysis. If someone wanted to start a fight over it, they would have done so in response to the several posts I made to that effect in the past. I actually don't think there's a dissenting voice to that opinion on the forum, or if there is, they're being awful quiet about it. And if someone should decide to counter that, then that is their opinion and they're welcome to it.

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Monday, January 12, 2009 3:16 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

In their 1976 paper Imbrie, Hays, and Shackleton wrote that their own climate forecasts, which were based on sea-sediment cores and the Milankovich cycles, "… must be qualified in two ways. First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends - and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels. Second, they describe only the long-term trends, because they are linked to orbital variations with periods of 20,000 years and longer. Climatic oscillations at higher frequencies are not predicted... the results indicate that the long-term trend over the next 20,000 years is towards extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation and cooler climate."

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Silence is consent.

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Monday, January 12, 2009 4:00 PM

DREAMTROVE

Interesting

Not arguing against global warming here, or even that it is a man made effect. just agreeing that Gore is the Dawkins of his field. He's a poster child of being wrong.

As I pointed out earlier, the Taiga forest by itself consumes more Co2 each year than the human race and all of its industry produces. This is a screaming indication that something is happening, somewhere that's else.

If you ask me, the culprit is obvious, and the same culprit it has been in the geologic past: Deforestation.

But Gore is wrong on many more levels than that. His ocean analysis is terrible. Jellyfish don't thrive because of increased co2, they thrive because no one is hunting jellyfish, and they're hunting fish to extinction. Or, at least to massive depopulation.

Also, the co2-temperature correlations, while obvious, don't live in a bubble. There are other factors, changing wind and sea currents being a major one.

Polar Ice doom fails to take into account that even in major spikes of warming, polar ice isn't all that significantly reduced.

The major spikes take up up to 7700 ppm, minor ones around 3000. 660ppm or something should not arouse panic. At 7700 ppm, there would be some pro-biotic ecological changes, but the only major issues would be for poorly placed human settlements like New Orleans.

Newly created deserts cause new wind currents that are going to cause a lot of warming, sure. But the real problem of pollution is local warming. Humans can't really have a major effect on the global co2 just by output alone, we're a drop in the bucket to what it consumed and produced each year. Human deforestation, that will cause a change, but that change isn't all bad. The bad, for humans, more than anything else is where they create a very high local concentration of CO2 and CO, like LA or Baghdad, and local temp and toxicity gets out of control.

A bad spokesperson for a position is probably more quickly leading to defeat than a strong opponent.

I have a lot of conservative issues where I think that there are some people I'd really like to sock it to. One is this ultra-zionism. Ironically, I support Israel more than the zionists, as something I think of as essential. But conservatives tying themselves to Ohlmert is like Somali pirates with too much cash on hand. You're going to sink the whole boat guys. Another one is intelligent design. It's killing the real goal: Privatization of education. I'm so suspicious that I think this one was a plant, at the very least aided by the other side. If someone said "hey, all the money to support this is coming from the teachers' union" I wouldn't be surprised. But both sides, and every political position really has to watch out for the bad spokesperson.

IMHO. Just venting.

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Monday, January 12, 2009 4:33 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Don't let'em get your dander up Rue. That Pravda site set my BS meter off at a high pitch. Did you see some of the titles of the articles in the side bars? "Dog Gives Birth to Mutant" and "Foul Language Leads to Impotence," not the type of stuff I'd expect on a site presenting hard science.

Taking the article at face value, I followed the link to the curve on the wiki site. I don't see the kind if resolution which would allow them to conclude "The Vostok data graph also shows that changes in global CO2 levels lag behind global temperature changes by about eight hundred years. "

I cite the following from an abstract I found on the websitge for the Association of American Petroleum Geologists,

"Oxygen isotope results suggest that age correlations based on biostratigraphy are not precise enough to address the question of the importance of eustasy in sequence stratigraphy. This is because the dominant frequencies forcing eustasy appear to be 40-100 Kyrs. Our work indicates we do not yet fully understand the relationship of rapidly varying eustasy to sediment flux and subsidence and the complex system response seen in the rock record."

I find it amusing how the author accuses the "AGW" crowd of looking at short term data and attempts to use last winter as proof they're wrong.

Of course he could be right for the wrong reasons. I mean there is the whole "Ocean Conveyor" thing which predicts sufficent melting of Artic Ice Cap will bring on an ice age by shutting down the ocean currents which distribute heat around the globe.

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?cid=9986&pid=12455&tid=282

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