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Drug Gangs pushing poor Mexico to the edge of Economic and Social Collapse

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Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:20 AM

PARTICIPANT


Drug violence reaches into U.S.; time to act
http://www.timescall.com/editorial/editorial.asp?ID=14513
Responding to fears of escalating violence in Mexico that could spill over the border into Texas and other states, the U.S. government has stepped up law enforcement.


Is Mexico on the verge of collapse?
http://www.energypublisher.com/article.asp?id=18087
A retired Mexican army general is dead, a colonel wounded, and a man is under arrest for dissolving the bodies of the victims of narco ultra-violence with caustic soda. Mexico appears overwhelmed by its war on drugs. Is Mexico a failed state?


Possibly all the gang bangers and drugs and beheadings will spread across the borders
large possibility of a spill over into the United States starting a domino effect breaking up the United States

Financial Times
Massacre in Mexico leaves 12 dead
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a244b256-fb99-11dd-bcad-000077b07658.html
By Adam Thomson in Mexico City
Published: February 15 2009 19:56 | Last updated: February 15 2009 19:56
Twelve people were gunned down in southern Mexico at the weekend in a massacre that brought the number of drugs-related murders so far this year to more than 800.
Authorities believe that the latest attack in the state of Tabasco was a revenge killing after police detained a group of local drug dealers last week. Among the victims were a policeman, six children and four women.
The massacre, the bloodiest incident in Tabasco in recent years, is further evidence that the violence stemming from Mexico’s all-out war against organised crime appears to know no limits. Last year roughly 6,000 people were victims of drugs-related murders – almost three times the number for 2007. Those numbers have sparked international concern that Mexico’s drugs war might be getting out of hand.
A report compiled by the US army’s high command that came to light last month stated that “two large and important states bear consideration for rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico”.
Another recent report, written by General Barry McCaffrey, former head of the US army’s southern command and now adjunct professor at Westpoint, said that the drugs cartels had “subverted state and municipal authorities and present a mortal threat to the rule of law across Mexico”.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Possibly all the gang bangers and drugs and beheadings will spread across the borders
large possibility of a spill over into the United States starting a domino effect breaking up the United States



Too late. Have you been anywhere near El Paso lately? How 'bout Brownsville or Laredo?

It's not a "possibility" that it will spill over; it's a certainty.

I don't believe it will break up the U.S., though, but it WILL be a problem on our side of the border, sooner rather than later.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:20 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


turn off Foxnews for a while

it might be bad, but it won't collapse


Malkin-Beck freakout: Imminent Mexico collapse could doom America!


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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:46 AM

PARTICIPANT


Here’s this year’s list, and you can click for the stories at the Project Censored page:
http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/25/project-censored-2009-the-
stories-your-corporate-news-whores-are-ignoring
/
# 1. Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
# 2 Security and Prosperity Partnership: Militarized NAFTA
# 3 InfraGard: The FBI Deputizes Business
# 4 ILEA: Is the US Restarting Dirty Wars in Latin America?
# 5 Seizing War Protesters’ Assets
# 6 The Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
# 7 Guest Workers Inc.: Fraud and Human Trafficking
# 8 Executive Orders Can Be Changed Secretly
# 9 Iraq and Afghanistan Vets Testify
# 10 APA Complicit in CIA Torture
# 11 El Salvador’s Water Privatization and the Global War on Terror
# 12 Bush Profiteers Collect Billions From No Child Left Behind
# 13 Tracking Billions of Dollars Lost in Iraq
# 14 Mainstreaming Nuclear Waste
# 15 Worldwide Slavery
# 16 Annual Survey on Trade Union Rights
# 17 UN’s Empty Declaration of Indigenous Rights
# 18 Cruelty and Death in Juvenile Detention Centers
# 19 Indigenous Herders and Small Farmers Fight Livestock Extinction
# 20 Marijuana Arrests Set New Record
# 21 NATO Considers “First Strike” Nuclear Option
# 22 CARE Rejects US Food Aid
# 23 FDA Complicit in Pushing Pharmaceutical Drugs
# 24 Japan Questions 9/11 and the Global War on Terror
# 25 Bush’s Real Problem with Eliot Spitze

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Monday, February 23, 2009 1:08 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Drug violence tarnishes Mexico's international image
-The US State Department has issued a new travel advisory warning of 'large firefights' across the country.



MEXICO VIOLENT COLLAPSE

Wall Street Journal: Citigroup in Talks That May Raise Governments Stake
- government may end up holding as much as 40 percent of Citigroups common stock

CRAZY!?

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:52 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The news is finally been covered by US media and is now going international

news agencies in UK, Germany, Japan are hearing how the towns near Mexico's border are starting to dive into social collapse and anarchy


Q&A: Mexico's drug-fuelled violence
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7906284.stm
Beheadings, attacks on police, and shootings in clubs and restaurants are a daily occurrence in some regions.


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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's time to invade Mexico! Regime change for all!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:02 PM

KIRKULES


The Feds are starting to take the threat from drug cartels more seriously.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404/

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
The Feds are starting to take the threat from drug cartels more seriously.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404/




Of course they are. [/sarcasm]

One thing I saw reported in Texas Monthly was an article which claimed that there were over 1350 murders in Juarez last year - right across the border from El Paso.

The article also mentioned in an off-hand way that there was a planeload of meth that went down. Oddly, it had the exact same registration tail number as one of the CIA's planes that was used extensively in extraordinary rendition flights.

Odd, that. I wonder if Eugene Hasenfuss was in the area? ;)

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:46 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
The Feds are starting to take the threat from drug cartels more seriously.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404/




Of course they are. [/sarcasm]

One thing I saw reported in Texas Monthly was an article which claimed that there were over 1350 murders in Juarez last year - right across the border from El Paso.

The article also mentioned in an off-hand way that there was a planeload of meth that went down. Oddly, it had the exact same registration tail number as one of the CIA's planes that was used extensively in extraordinary rendition flights.

Odd, that. I wonder if Eugene Hasenfuss was in the area? ;)

Mike



So you were serious about wanting regime change in Mexico, I thought you were just being a moronic asshole as usual.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


So you were serious about wanting regime change in Mexico...



I was? How can you be sure?

Quote:

...I thought you were just being a moronic asshole as usual.



I was! Thanks for noticing. And thanks for actually being able to correctly spell "moronic".

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:33 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


http://www.operationnogangs.org/gangstersprayer.html



When a youngster joins a gang, he eventually finds himself having many enemies he may not even know. As time goes on, as a result of negative behavior and delinquent activity in the community, he ends up having to watch his back and keep an eye open at every turn. There is no rest. The gangster youth becomes defensive and secretive at home. At school he tends to take on a negative attitude that is displayed with teachers, counselors and other authorities. In all public places he finds himself having to play the part of a tough one who doesn't care much about anything.
The young gangster becomes a puppet for his gang leaders and those in his gang.
As most gang members tell us, they want to do right but feel overwhelmingly pressured to do as members and leaders of the gang say. They must show up at places others designate and perform activities they know are wrong and get them in trouble. Someone else pulls the strings, and they perform.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
http://www.operationnogangs.org/gangstersprayer.html



When a youngster joins a gang, he eventually finds himself having many enemies he may not even know. As time goes on, as a result of negative behavior and delinquent activity in the community, he ends up having to watch his back and keep an eye open at every turn. There is no rest. The gangster youth becomes defensive and secretive at home. At school he tends to take on a negative attitude that is displayed with teachers, counselors and other authorities. In all public places he finds himself having to play the part of a tough one who doesn't care much about anything.
The young gangster becomes a puppet for his gang leaders and those in his gang.
As most gang members tell us, they want to do right but feel overwhelmingly pressured to do as members and leaders of the gang say. They must show up at places others designate and perform activities they know are wrong and get them in trouble. Someone else pulls the strings, and they perform.



Go through that and replace "gang" with "army" and see if it changes anything about that post. Sounds awfully similar to me.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 27, 2009 12:36 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6284774.html

Report: Mexican drug violence threatens U.S. security

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Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:14 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


(Reuters) - Mexico's drug cartels pose a clear threat to U.S. national security, Vice President Joe Biden said on Wednesday as the Obama administration named a drug czar to lead the U.S. fight against narco-trafficking.

Some 7,000 people have been killed in an upsurge in violence between Mexican cartels since January 2008. U.S. officials fear the violence is spreading into the southwestern United States, where there have been abductions and execution-style murders tied to the drug trade.

"Violent drug trafficking organizations threaten both the United States and Mexican communities," Biden said at a ceremony to nominate Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske as the country's new drug czar.

Biden said Kerlikowske, a 36-year law enforcement veteran, would oversee a strategy to improve information sharing, harness new technologies and increase the interdiction of drugs into the United States and guns and cash flowing into Mexico.

"It is a strategy we need ... in order to bring the situation under control, to protect our people, and to bring about the demise of the Mexican drug cartels," Biden said.

About 90 percent of all cocaine consumed in the United States comes through Mexico. It also is a major source of heroin, methamphetamines and marijuana in the United States, according to Homeland Security officials.

The death toll in the drug wars -- 1,000 in January this year alone -- has soared since Mexican President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006 and sent tens of thousands of troops to fight the country's powerful cocaine cartels.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:46 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
http://www.operationnogangs.org/gangstersprayer.html



When a youngster joins a gang, he eventually finds himself having many enemies he may not even know. As time goes on, as a result of negative behavior and delinquent activity in the community, he ends up having to watch his back and keep an eye open at every turn. There is no rest. The gangster youth becomes defensive and secretive at home. At school he tends to take on a negative attitude that is displayed with teachers, counselors and other authorities. In all public places he finds himself having to play the part of a tough one who doesn't care much about anything.
The young gangster becomes a puppet for his gang leaders and those in his gang.
As most gang members tell us, they want to do right but feel overwhelmingly pressured to do as members and leaders of the gang say. They must show up at places others designate and perform activities they know are wrong and get them in trouble. Someone else pulls the strings, and they perform.



We KNEW Obama-sama was a Gangsta , lately out of Chicago !

You've just shown us the proof , and the Gangsta's modus operandi...

Good on you !

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:51 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
(Reuters) - Mexico's drug cartels pose a clear threat to U.S. national security, Vice President Joe Biden said on Wednesday as the Obama administration named a drug czar to lead the U.S. fight against narco-trafficking.

Some 7,000 people have been killed in an upsurge in violence between Mexican cartels since January 2008. U.S. officials fear the violence is spreading into the southwestern United States, where there have been abductions and execution-style murders tied to the drug trade.

"Violent drug trafficking organizations threaten both the United States and Mexican communities," Biden said at a ceremony to nominate Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske as the country's new drug czar.

Biden said Kerlikowske, a 36-year law enforcement veteran, would oversee a strategy to improve information sharing, harness new technologies and increase the interdiction of drugs into the United States and guns and cash flowing into Mexico.





'Czar' is a Title Of Nobilty , specifically forbidden by the United States' Constitution...

But , not to fear , avowed Zionist Biden , at the bidding of RahmBO not to waste a crisis , will call for a renewed 'ban' on Citizens' "assault weapons" , to turn the tide...

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:29 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
When a youngster joins a gang, he eventually finds himself having many enemies he may not even know. As time goes on, as a result of negative behavior and delinquent activity in the community, he ends up having to watch his back and keep an eye open at every turn. There is no rest. The gangster youth becomes defensive and secretive at home. At school he tends to take on a negative attitude that is displayed with teachers, counselors and other authorities. In all public places he finds himself having to play the part of a tough one who doesn't care much about anything.
The young gangster becomes a puppet for his gang leaders and those in his gang.
As most gang members tell us, they want to do right but feel overwhelmingly pressured to do as members and leaders of the gang say. They must show up at places others designate and perform activities they know are wrong and get them in trouble. Someone else pulls the strings, and they perform.



Go through that and replace "gang" with "army" and see if it changes anything about that post. Sounds awfully similar to me.



It reads better if you replace "gang" with "government".

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Good point.

Also, I changed the title for ya to make a point. Just temporarily. I'll change it back in a bit.

ETA_ Changed it back as close as I can remember. It's not the title it used to be... but I hope it's close enuf.
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