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AURaptor I have a question...

POSTED BY: RIVER6213
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Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:14 AM

RIVER6213


???
Your purpose here is done. What? You want more? You think you can add more to an already ridiculous situation? LOL! You are a silly man, but I think I like you for that reason. You are silly and you know it, Also you know that I know; I KNOW.

When eyes meet eyes souls meet souls.

Silly man you are.

-River


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Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:14 PM

RIPWASH


I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

When eyes meet eyes souls meet souls.


-River




Well, I live a long way from Seattle, so I'm doubtful any eyes will be meetin' between the two of us.

But it's a pretty thought.




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Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:05 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas




Not really. I asked a question and then caught a plane to New York because unlike Auraptor I have a life. A week later I looked at my thread and read the whole thing, and it appears AR answered the question, so there was no point in me cross-examining his fat ass for more information. I strangely pity him though...

Oh and BTW RIPWash? You can kiss my ass for sticking up for your butt-buddy Auraptor. I guess the both of you must attend the same Klan meetings.

Happy Easter!

-River


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Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, a real skeptic would look at all kinds of information, and would also consider the source. A real skeptic questions everything. But you swallow the party line: hook, bait, sinker and all.


Demonstrably not true. I took, for example, the word of a CLINTON appointed CIA director as being credible.



I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound very skeptical at all.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:57 PM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas




Not really. I asked a question and then caught a plane to New York because unlike Auraptor I have a life. A week later I looked at my thread and read the whole thing, and it appears AR answered the question, so there was no point in me cross-examining his fat ass for more information. I strangely pity him though...

Oh and BTW RIPWash? You can kiss my ass for sticking up for your butt-buddy Auraptor. I guess the both of you must attend the same Klan meetings.

Happy Easter!

-River




Nice. Very mature. More name calling. I didn't insult you, but if you feel justified in doing so to me, then I can't stop you.

And a very happy Easter to you, as well. And that is a heartfelt wish which I think yours was not.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Whether you have a life or not, whether you flew to New York, New Mexico or New Deli, isn't the issue. ( But props to you for filling us in , those who DIDN'T ask , how you spent your entire week ducking a question YOU asked. )

No, what IS important is that you asked someone to give a sincere and honest answer to a question you asked, never ONCE offering to give your own take on the same question.

But wait, there's more. After getting the answers and giving the weakest of 'thank yous', you follow that mess up by attacking anyone who happens to see MY point of view. Someone who didn't say any derogatory things toward you, but was guilty of the unmentionable crime of agreeing w/ anyone who wasn't YOU.

Wow. Self obsess much?

And here I thought you HAD a heart.






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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas




Not really. I asked a question and then caught a plane to New York because unlike Auraptor I have a life. A week later I looked at my thread and read the whole thing, and it appears AR answered the question, so there was no point in me cross-examining his fat ass for more information. I strangely pity him though...

Oh and BTW RIPWash? You can kiss my ass for sticking up for your butt-buddy Auraptor. I guess the both of you must attend the same Klan meetings.

Happy Easter!

-River




Nice. Very mature. More name calling. I didn't insult you, but if you feel justified in doing so to me, then I can't stop you.

And a very happy Easter to you, as well. And that is a heartfelt wish which I think yours was not.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas


Please forgive us. We were not aware schoolchildren hopped on planes that often.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


For those who are confused, "a possible attack" is not the same as the Imperial Japanese Naval Armada crossing the Pacific to within striking distance of Pearl Harbor, their clearly stated target in the messages we were reading, and specifying the date, location, time range, and depth of attack they were committed to. Don't be dense, it doesn't become you.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
BSCM - I've been trying to keep up with the massive amount of posts in this thread, and have been resisting the urge to reply in hope of not hijacking it.

Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
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...and sacrifice the lives of servicemen at Pearl Harbor just to play politics is certainly henious.


Have you picked up an outlandish partisan view on history here? I've heard historians dismiss this idea.

Heads should roll



Yes, I'm sure we have all heard the looney lefty liberal historians dismiss many truths unflattering to FDR, LBJ, Jiminy Cotta, Slick Willie, and the Obamination, but the facts still remain if you choose to think for yourself and read about history.
Yes, FDR was elected in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944. You may have heard rumors that Nazi Germany (under Hitler) had invaded other sovreign Nations, and begun extermination of Jews, prior to 1940, and that England was sure to fall without direct US combat intervention. Most have read that FDR understood all this, and knew the US must enter the war, but still campaigned as an Isolationist, promising to not enter the war even if we were the last nation on Earth not a Axis Power - because winning election was more impotant than saving the lives of Yurpeens and Jews. After winning election in 1940, he then needed to convince the American public that we needed to enter the war - which he had just won re-election by promising not to. Most sensible people now know that our cryptographers had broken the Japanese codes and had known several days before 7 Dec that the Japanese Navy was going to attack Pearl Harbor. FDR also knew this, and had also been told the same by Churchill in a phone conversation 11 days before the attack. FDR chose to not inform Admiral Kimmel, or anybody else in Hawaii, so that many American servicemen could be sacrificed and US citizens would be convinced to support the entering into the war. Kimmel was the scapegoat, and in 1999 the US Senate passed a resolution to exonerate Adm Kimmel.
After 50 years of classification, the documents became public in 1991, exposing FDR's deceit.
In the election of 1944, the GOP candidate was informed, upon selection as the candidate, that the code had been broken, and FDR had sacrificed the lives and ships at Peral Harbor. With this information, he could have exposed FDR for the conniving weasel that he was and ensured victory in the election, but he would have been endangering the lives of Americans in the Pacific (Marines and Sailors) by letting the Japanese know we were reading their secret messages. With the choice of endangering the servicemen and prolonging the war, or keeping quiet about FDR's betrayal and just hoping the American voter wasn't too stupid to re-elect FDR, Gov Dewey chose the honorable option and kept the cryptography program a secret.
He lost the election by being honorable, just as FDR won by being the coniving deceitful weasel.


I understand that 2 of the British code breakers wrote a book years ago about the Pearl Harbor attack. They said exactly what you are saying here. But, I do not believe it for one second. If even the premise was true, that FDR was looking for a way to mobilize Americans to want to join the war, he certainly could/would have taken some steps to reduce the enormous scope and total devastation we sufferered. Some of the battleships on Battleship row could have been sent out to sea back in the direction of the mainland. Why would FDR sacrifice our entire Pacific Fleet? It doesn't make any sense. It took us years to recover from that, and by then Japan had extended it's control over all of Asia and the Pacific. Also, it seems a bit of a strecth to think that a secret as deep and dark as this could have been kept by all those who were in the know all these years. The Japanese " Tanaka Plan " had been widely known for years, just like Bin Laden's desire to crash planes into buildings had been known for years. I think Pearl Harbor was just a case of us knowing of a possible threat, but not taking it serious.


Many have pointed out that FDR's sacrifice of the Battleships was not such a strategic setback. Notice how conveniently and coincidentally every single Aircraft Carrier at Pearl Harbor a few days before 7 Dec just happened to take off and hide under coud cover nearby, even without firepower, and certainly not allowed to defend PH, for those few temporary days while Japan was launching the attack.
The strategic and tactical importance of Battleships was over, and Aircraft Carriers were the new frontier. The navy could not afford the loss of the Carriers, but the Battleships were expendable. Because not everybody agreed with this, they were still being built.
The Navy tried to convince folk that the Battleships were still the rage, and Carriers a fad. Check out the Courtmartial of General Billy Mitchell.
As for keeping a deep and dark secret, the secret was known by many. The deceet of FDR was known by many. The despicable acts of FDR were known by many. But Secret Security Classification Clearance prohibits the public dissemination of such info, and is also supposed to prohibit the dissemination among those without "Need To Know". Democrats and other despicable liberals oft use these Classified regulations to hide their behavior, for example when Slick Willie wanted to hide the fact that Naval Aviator Kara Hultgreen died as a result of his misguided actions forcing unqualified women aviators into combat arena servicew without adequate training - the investigation showed it was a multitude of Pilot errors which caused her dead, but Slick had the investigation report classified after the fact, and released press propaganda claiming the cause was aircraft failure (which it was absolutely not). Anybody in possesion of the report, or anybody transferring possesion or copying the report, or merely reading the report which exposed the White House's subsequent lies, would be subject to courtmartial or treason charges, which applies even after your Military service has ended, until such time the Classified Material has been Declassified. The Pearl Harbor stuff was Classified for 50 years.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Those who have not learned from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:

Saddam is dead. His sons are dead. He and his line have been taken out. Blister popped.
Why are occupying troops still there?



Have you not heard of Kaiser Wilhelm?
Have you not heard of Adolf Hitler?
Look it up and learn from your superiors.

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

But Secret Security Classification Clearance prohibits the public dissemination of such info, and is also supposed to prohibit the dissemination among those without "Need To Know". Democrats and other despicable liberals oft use these Classified regulations to hide their behavior, for example when Slick Willie wanted to hide the fact that Naval Aviator Kara Hultgreen died as a result of his misguided actions forcing unqualified women aviators into combat arena servicew without adequate training - the investigation showed it was a multitude of Pilot errors which caused her dead, but Slick had the investigation report classified after the fact, and released press propaganda claiming the cause was aircraft failure (which it was absolutely not). Anybody in possesion of the report, or anybody transferring possesion or copying the report, or merely reading the report which exposed the White House's subsequent lies, would be subject to courtmartial or treason charges, which applies even after your Military service has ended, until such time the Classified Material has been Declassified. The Pearl Harbor stuff was Classified for 50 years.


Quoth Geezer, "Cites, please?"



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