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AURaptor, I have a contusion.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:32 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
This is behavior that has always existed on this board, but recently it seems to have become much worse.

I don't see it worse than ever, I just see the reactions to it as worse. Can it be that the Obama win has saddened the more right-leaning Conservatives in these parts to the point of dispondence?

I think, if that has anything to do with it, it has more likely emboldened the Liberal camp to be more aggressive in their attacks. Certainly it is not the "right-leaning" peeps that are "calling out" Auraptor. But I suspect it just has to do with the loss of community, because I don’t feel any love from my fellow browncoats.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:32 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
liberals loons.

This is what irritates me about you JSF, you purpose here is to label peeps with differing political ideologies, not to debate or argue specific concepts or issues, or even attack individuals for fun (which would at least be entertaining).
Wacky wingnut fun.


The laughing Chrisisall


JewelStaiteFan, Keep up the great work here! And DON'T EVER seriously engage them. Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve. You owe them nothing, no explanations, no debate. The more you and others stand up to them, the more they go nuts. Look above for the most sad and pathetic example of this...Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers, spending hours and hours cutting & pasting or re-typing my post quotes, cherry-picking phrases, and desperately wanting an explanation. All that time spent was time taken away from her usual biased bullshit postings of the day. Funny how she and her RWED flock of feckless followers never ask for explanantions from their own agents of mayhem.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:45 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think, if that has anything to do with it, it has more likely emboldened the Liberal camp to be more aggressive in their attacks.

Emboldened. Hmmm. Everything in political & military terms....
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Certainly it is not the "right-leaning" peeps that are "calling out" Auraptor.
As it wasn't the "left-leaning" peeps that were endlessly yelling about "Bush-bashing."
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But I suspect it just has to do with the loss of community, because I don’t feel any love from my fellow browncoats.


C'mon man, I went through three years on this board under the Bush Admin, and youse guys are gonna fold under 3 months of Obama? You REALLY felt more love from your fellow Browncoats in 2006 than now? I find that hard to believe.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:48 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve.

PLEASE! It's way more entertaining than mindlessly handing out labels.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:56 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.


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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers



To be fair, Mike, the snark could be a bit funnier, like Jong here.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:04 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
C'mon man, I went through three years on this board under the Bush Admin, and youse guys are gonna fold under 3 months of Obama? You REALLY felt more love from your fellow Browncoats in 2006 than now? I find that hard to believe.

I did. Serenity was still new. Only a year old. Hell, there were parts of the country that were still playing it in theaters that year. There was lots of enthusiasm to offset the snarkiness, but that’s not the case anymore. It's true that the Bush bashing and political hatreds existed even then, but today it has become harder to overlook. As the enthusiasm for Firefly wanes it is replaced with snark and trolling to become more intense.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve.

PLEASE! It's way more entertaining than mindlessly handing out labels.


The laughing Chrisisall


Glad you agree with me on this isall. See, there's been no love lost here with us mighty Browncoats. And Kris, if yer an inipenent like you say, why wouldn't you support Texas seceeding from the Union? Admit it, yer just a big Govt. handout kinda guy, right? Sort of like a Robin Hood for all the downtrodden victims of society, right? Only two kinds of money, yours and ours. You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.


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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers



To be fair, Mike, the snark could be a bit funnier, like Jong here.


The laughing Chrisisall



Oh, I'm all about the snark, Chris. Those particular words were chosen and used because they were the EXACT words Finn used against me.



Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:15 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It's true that the Bush bashing and political hatreds existed even then, but today it has become harder to overlook. As the enthusiasm for Firefly wanes it is replaced with snark and trolling to become more intense.


In examining my own feelings here, I find myself lightening up noticeably on the political front, I'm more trying to have fun here (okay, sometimes VERY snarky fun) than anything else, and I can tell ya, it's because Bush & Cheney aren't strolling the Halls Of Power anymore, but I'd also feel pretty much the same way if McCain & Paleface had won.
I really think some of the bad 'tudes you perceive are just the ones during The Bush era turned around. When progressives were emotional about torture, it was fun to hear us cry. Now it's not the anti-Bush types crying, so it feels very different here to you, at least that's my take.
But there'll be plenty more to complain about in a justifiable manner concerning Obama's decisions & actions; the fun for Conservatives isn't all gone just yet.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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JewelStaiteFan, Keep up the great work here! And DON'T EVER seriously engage them. Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve. You owe them nothing, no explanations, no debate. The more you and others stand up to them, the more they go nuts.



Honestly, I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, I'm ecstatic that you finally figured this out; on the other, I'm depressed that it took you so damned long to figure it out...

If you see a post of mine where I'm not poking fun at something or someone, then you're probably reading it wrong. I'm multi-layered, a veritable onion of smartassery and snark.



Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:17 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, I'm all about the snark, Chris. Those particular words were chosen and used because they were the EXACT words Finn used against me.




Oh, yeah.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:23 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Glad you agree with me on this isall.

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You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?
Oh, I have MOUNTAINS of reservations, Jong. I've seen peeps firsthand working the system to live a work-free life, high as a kite, and they get no willing support from me. But they also aren't the majority of recipients of assistance IMO. It's way more complicated that simple blacks & whites, and I totally disagree with bailing out the corps & peeps that financially effed us all too.
But then, this might turn into a serious discussion...I'm more about flingin' the felgercarb!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Only two kinds of money, yours and ours. You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?


And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either. How else do you explain invading and occupying Iraq, to the tune of what will end up costing us TRILLIONS of tax dollars, and for what? Because apparently THEIR freedom is far more important than OUR freedom - and remember, they hate us for our freedom!

So yeah, if they supported a tyrant (or even if WE supported that same tyrant, but now we're not so sure about him), or used to have WMD, or if they said something we don't like, or if they're some shade less than pasty white, we'll "spread democracy" to them with bombs and guns, right?

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:27 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It's true that the Bush bashing and political hatreds existed even then, but today it has become harder to overlook. As the enthusiasm for Firefly wanes it is replaced with snark and trolling to become more intense.


In examining my own feelings here, I find myself lightening up noticeably on the political front, I'm more trying to have fun here (okay, sometimes VERY snarky fun) than anything else, and i can tell ya, it's because Bush & Cheney aren't strolling the Halls Of Power anymore, but I'd also feel pretty much the same way if McCain & Paleface had won.
I really think some of the bad 'tudes you perceive are just the ones during The Bush era turned around. When progressives were emotional about torture, it was fun to hear us cry. Now it's not the anti-Bush types crying, so it feels very different here to you, at least that's my take.
But there'll be plenty more to complain about in a justifiable manner concerning Obama's decisions & actions; the fun for Conservatives isn't all gone just yet.

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly the economy is not much of an issue anymore (despite being in a recession), the Iraq war is almost never mentioned, and the world is at peace. Nothing has changed in the last year, aside from the collapse of the economy, but the liberals have decided that none of the issues they were once so passionate about are really that important anymore. I do admit that the hypocrisy gets to me, and probably makes me less willing to take many of you seriously.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:28 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:


And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either. How else do you explain invading and occupying Iraq, to the tune of what will end up costing us TRILLIONS of tax dollars, and for what?

Because it's righteous, and God would want us to- didn't you get the memo?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:32 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly


...torture is once again officially unacceptable, a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:48 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Glad you agree with me on this isall.

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You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?
Oh, I have MOUNTAINS of reservations, Jong. I've seen peeps firsthand working the system to live a work-free life, high as a kite, and they get no willing support from me. But they also aren't the majority of recipients of assistance IMO. It's way more complicated that simple blacks & whites, and I totally disagree with bailing out the corps & peeps that financially effed us all too.
But then, this might turn into a serious discussion...I'm more about flingin' the felgercarb!


The laughing Chrisisall


Oh you're quite right. It almost started to look like a discussion. But if I'm correctly reading your words above, I'm a'wondrin' why you're supporting Obama/Pelosi's brand of one-world Soros-brand socialism. Not too consistent in positions there isall.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:59 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm a'wondrin' why you're supporting Obama/Pelosi's brand of one-world Soros-brand socialism. Not too consistent in positions there isall.

In a choice between right-wing fascism & left-wing socialism, the latter will mostly always be preferable IMO, but the real issue here is that Obama is a Centrist, and the socialistic trappings have been with us for some time now, they're nothing new. If you want to label him an "American Socialist," I'd be fine with that thought.
I just can't wait for "FESTIVAL!!!"


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:01 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"This is behavior that has always existed on this board, but recently it seems to have become much worse."

Probably 'cause the shoe is on the other foot. And it pinches a mite.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm a'wondrin' why you're supporting Obama/Pelosi's brand of one-world Soros-brand socialism. Not too consistent in positions there isall.

In a choice between right-wing fascism & left-wing socialism, the latter will mostly always be preferable IMO, but the real issue here is that Obama is a Centrist, and the socialistic trappings have been with us for some time now, they're nothing new. If you want to label him an "American Socialist," I'd be fine with that, thought.
I just can't wait for "FESTIVAL!!!"


The laughing Chrisisall


Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one. As for Festival, don't worry, your fellow automatons of the body will announce when the Red Hour will strike with plenty of advance notice to get a place to sleep it off. If you need a place, my daddy can put you up for the night.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:16 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.

Please explain. You are human; only humans can explain...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:29 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by rue:


Probably 'cause the shoe is on the other foot. And it pinches a mite.


Poor mite.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.

Please explain. You are human; only humans can explain...


The laughing Chrisisall


Now now....we agreed no explanations, no conversations, no point to itisall. Norman coordinate.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 AM

CHRISISALL


The right-wing is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. The left-wing is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad.
Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your moderates are green!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:58 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

...torture is once again officially unacceptable, a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.


Wassa matter Finn? Nothing you can say to that? Thought you'd made a clever point there & hated to see it shot down?

Do I win? And if so, what's my prize?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You win the entire internet, and everything in it!

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:43 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You win the entire internet, and everything in it!


COOL!
Now I will begin with the Political Cleansing...not that I'm instantly absolutely corrupted by this new power or anything...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The right-wing is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. The left-wing is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad.
Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your moderates are green!


The laughing Chrisisall


Hey dumbass, you just took out my twin Alice lovebots!

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:00 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Hey dumbass, you just took out my twin Alice lovebots!

You wore them out anyway.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:14 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Hey dumbass, you just took out my twin Alice lovebots!

You wore them out anyway.


The laughing Chrisisall


Maybe, but I have 498 other Alices to play with, plus a full contingency of Trudys, Daisys, etc, and let's face it, Norman is kinda cute too.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:43 AM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either.



Somehow I don't think your money is hard-earned.

Get a girlfriend loser.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:55 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Well, now - that mystery now solved. Asshole and insufferable prick it is.


But recognising these things about yourself is the first step.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either.



Somehow I don't think your money is hard-earned.

Get a girlfriend loser.



Which goes to show how woefully little you know about me, in more ways than one.

1) I work hard for a living. I mean WORK. It's a lot of physical work, much lifting, much moving stuff around with forklift and pallet truck. Yes, I drive a forklift. Yes, I wear a hardhat on occasion.

2) I work my ass off 5, 6, or 7 days a week, as the need arises.

3) I'd get a girlfriend, but that would probably upset my wife. Sunday is our 20th anniversary. Sorry you haven't found anybody yet. ;)

4) There really should be a comma between "girlfriend" and "loser" - unless you're trying to tell me to get a loser girlfriend. And I have to reiterate, I think my wife would get mad.

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Well, now - that mystery now solved. Asshole and insufferable prick it is.


But recognising these things about yourself is the first step.



And honestly, Jewels, my little chickadee - when did you ever see me claim that I'm *NOT* an asshole? Huh? In fact, the truth is quite the contrary - I've said it many times here, I am absolutely an asshole. Hell, I scored 23 out of 24 on Frem's "Asshole Test" - but to be honest, I was really ]trying to be an asshole when taking that test - and it worked! I'm also a magnificent bastard, and a downright son-of-a-bitch.

I guess my only question for you is, why are YOU such an insufferable asshole?

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:33 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
3) I'd get a girlfriend, but that would probably upset my wife. Sunday is our 20th anniversary. Sorry you haven't found anybody yet. ;)


That's not true, I had his girlfriend. It was late, I had had about twenty beers, she was all that was left.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:43 AM

MALACHITE


ETA: Drats! I was trying to reply with Sig's response to Chris's question about what we believe "just because". Here's his quote:

"I believe that the universe is real, that we are a part of it, and that we come to know it through our senses. Just because. I have no real PROOF of that, you see. (Subjective idealists like George Berkeley could make a convincing argument otherwise, from a different set of assumptions.)

I believe in the greatest good for the greatest number, even generations of the future.

I believe that you are defined by what you DO, not what you've convinced yourself about your motives.

I believe that we are all subject to our assumptions, and that the more fundamental the assumptions the harder they are to see. I also believe that the highest calling of the human mind is to know itself in order to free itself from bias, to see the world more clearly and to understand it better."



Wow! Great answer! What a refreshing response. Thanks for making a serious answer to that interesting question. (I couldn't tell if anyone acknowledged your answer to the question posed about what we belief "just because", so I figured I'd chime in -- even if I don't think I agree with all of it).

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 PM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
1) I work hard for a living. I mean WORK. It's a lot of physical work, much lifting, much moving stuff around with forklift and pallet truck. Yes, I drive a forklift. Yes, I wear a hardhat on occasion.

2) I work my ass off 5, 6, or 7 days a week, as the need arises.

That's good.

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3) I'd get a girlfriend, but that would probably upset my wife. Sunday is our 20th anniversary. Sorry you haven't found anybody yet. ;)
I've found many girls. Most of them break up with me because I don't wanna get married. Marriage isn't the pinnacle of happiness. I've never understood that. On the other hand congratulations on your anniversary.

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4) There really should be a comma between "girlfriend" and "loser" - unless you're trying to tell me to get a loser girlfriend. And I have to reiterate, I think my wife would get mad.

I was in a hurry. Why don't you become an English teacher? You've got a grasp for proper English. It pays good, and you get the Summer off

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.


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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers



To be fair, Mike, the snark could be a bit funnier, like Jong here.

The laughing Chrisisall


Umm. Ahhh. Errr. Hasisall stumbled upon a plateau of fairness and ambiguity?

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Friday, April 17, 2009 1:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I was in a hurry. Why don't you become an English teacher? You've got a grasp for proper English. It pays good, and you get the Summer off



Actually, the pay is terrible. Here in Austin, an English teacher with ten years' experience gets paid less than $30,000 per year.

Anyone who goes into teaching for the money is an idiot. And anyone who goes into teaching for the summers off is going to get paid like someone who works nine months out of the year.

This is in no way to be read as a defamation of teachers. It's a noble profession, a true calling for some, and it's a damned shame that we don't respect good teachers as much as we do good football players, and pay them accordingly.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:43 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.


In my experience people from both the left and the centre see obama as being in the political centre/centre-left.

Interesting that people on the (far?) right consider themselves such an authority on their opposite end of the political spectrum. Do you know something we don't Jong? Or is it that the political school of thought you subscribe to has its own special lens to see obama through...?



Heads should roll

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:53 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

...torture is once again officially unacceptable, a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.

Good, so instead of taking responsibility for our coercive interrogation techniques we’ll send people to countries that will do far, far worse, or we will use those techniques ourselves since there is no oversight. I’m not sure how much we will actually withdrawal from Iraq, but the best that can be said about that is that Bush’s Surge worked and Obama can’t take any responsibility for that. So now we will look the other way when Cuba commits atrocious human rights violations. And we have a president whose only claim to fame is that he has mastered a flowery, feel-good politically correct way of telling people what they want to hear. And then there’s Gitmo, which if it actually is closed will mean either releasing extremely dangerous terrorists to continue acts of terrorism or holding them in places where there will be far less accountability for their treatment.
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Wassa matter Finn? Nothing you can say to that? Thought you'd made a clever point there & hated to see it shot down?

Why is something the matter? Isn’t it possible that I had to go to work? Or I spent time with the girls? Or even staring at the wall would probably be a better use of my time then responding to your posts. There are all kinds of reasons why I wouldn't jump to respond to your posts just because you post them, not the least of which is that your opinion isn’t that important. In fact, you should be kissing my ass right now because I thought enough of you to tell you off.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Do I win? And if so, what's my prize?

A poke with a sharp stick.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:00 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Good, so instead of taking responsibility for our coercive interrogation techniques we’ll send people to countries that will do far, far worse, or we will use those techniques ourselves since there is no oversight.

...ummmmm...what? You mean, in the next administration?? I'm not too clear on what you mean here.
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In fact, you should be kissing my ass right now because I thought enough of you to tell you off.

Well, I guess I'm fighting off my sly side right now to just say thanks.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:03 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Umm. Ahhh. Errr. Hasisall stumbled upon a plateau of fairness and ambiguity?

I do not wish to have my Loony Leftist secret decoder ring revoked, SHHHHHHHH!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:10 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
...ummmmm...what? You mean, in the next administration?? I'm not too clear on what you mean here.

Under Bush we did our own dirty work. We could regulate it; assure that methods that were more humane and more effective were used. We were moving towards a more open policy and finally moving towards legally defining what is acceptable and what is not. Under Obama, all that is lost. There will be no accountability, which means the Egyptians will do our dirty work for us or clandestine unofficial CIA teams will act with no guidance from the state. There will be no further discussion on the matter, because we’ll wash our hands and pretend we aren’t standing knee deep in mud.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:11 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, I guess I'm fighting off my sly side right now to just say thanks.

I'm fighting off mine to just say you're welcome.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:24 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Under Bush we did our own dirty work. We could regulate it; assure that methods that were more humane and more effective were used. We were moving towards a more open policy and finally moving towards legally defining what is acceptable and what is not.

My problem with that is that any technique that an administration wants to use can be certified as effective, safe & legal in that way, no matter if it is or isn't.
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Under Obama, all that is lost. There will be no accountability, which means the Egyptians will do our dirty work for us or clandestine unofficial CIA teams will act with no guidance from the state.
Is this your fortune-teller side speaking, or do you have an inside top guy at Langley that vows never to stop torturing as long as he is still breathing?
How can you say with certainty that this HAS to be the case?
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we’ll wash our hands and pretend we aren’t standing knee deep in mud.


That is SOP in any case, IMO.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:27 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
My problem with that is that any technique that an administration wants to use can be certified as effective, safe & legal in that way, no matter if it is or isn't.

That’s why the discussion needs to continue, which it will not.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Is this your fortune-teller side speaking, or do you have an inside top guy at Langley that vows never to stop torturing as long as he is still breathing?
How can you say with certainty that this HAS to be the case?

I don’t worship Obama like you do. I’m not naïve enough to simply say that because Obama is in office the second coming has occurred. You seem to think the whole world has changed, it has not. It’s the same one it was when Bush was in office.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:33 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don’t worship Obama like you do. I’m not naïve enough to simply say that because Obama is in office the second coming has occurred.

Like Sarge said, I really like the facelift, but that's all I'm seeing so far. I don't worship him, but after Bush & Cheney, almost anyone would seem great.
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You seem to think the whole world has changed, it has not. It’s the same one it was when Bush was in office.


Sadly, I agree.
I'm just hoping that Obama is ready for a little tussle here & there to enforce his no-torture sentiments. We'll see.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, April 17, 2009 6:25 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, the pay is terrible. Here in Austin, an English teacher with ten years' experience gets paid less than $30,000 per year.

Anyone who goes into teaching for the money is an idiot. And anyone who goes into teaching for the summers off is going to get paid like someone who works nine months out of the year.



Less than $30,000 after 10 years? In Austin that could barely keep you afloat. That's horrible.
10 years experience in Grand Rapids will earn you about $38,000. Not bad at all.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 10:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, the pay is terrible. Here in Austin, an English teacher with ten years' experience gets paid less than $30,000 per year.

Anyone who goes into teaching for the money is an idiot. And anyone who goes into teaching for the summers off is going to get paid like someone who works nine months out of the year.



Less than $30,000 after 10 years? In Austin that could barely keep you afloat. That's horrible.
10 years experience in Grand Rapids will earn you about $38,000. Not bad at all.



OPPYH, I have to issue a retraction, and an apology. My figures were off, and not by a just a little! Here's the latest figures (2007 were the most recent I could find):

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TEXAS RANKS 29TH IN THE NATION FOR TEACHER PAY

Texas ranked 29th in the nation for its average teacher salary in 2006-07, according to the American Federation of Teachers' (AFT) Survey and Analysis of Teacher Salary Trends 2007.

The average teacher salary in Texas for teh 2006-07 school year was $45,392. Texas was ranked 10th in the nation for beginning teacher salaries at $38,522.



Sorry about that. My bad for listening to my sister-in-law, the math teacher!

But apparently, Austin doesn't pay well for ANY teachers, since the university churns out so many of them. And because so many of them want to stay here, it tends to depress wages, while at the same time INCREASING the cost of living. In most recent comparisons I've seen, Austin's cost of living ranks almost dead even with San Francisco, Chicago, and Seattle - none of which are exactly known for being cheap places to live.

As I've said, I work in a warehouse where I can wear pretty much whatever I want, I can sing, talk to myself if I want, curse, burp, fart, or what have you, and I make more than most teachers here. And I don't have to put up with anyone's kids!

Does that seem right to you?

Oh, and sorry again about passing on bad info.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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