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Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:42 PM

WULFENSTAR

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I appreciate the compliment Sig. Seriously.


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Friday, April 17, 2009 12:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

The Left has consistently shown nothing but vitriolic hatred for anyone opposed to their views,



*Chuckle*

Yea, the right's just been full of warm & fuzzies all this time. Very accepting group, them.

Thanks for the laugh, though.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



I missed the signs where anyone at the Tea Party's compared Obama to Satan, or dressed up and demonized anyone on the Left, as happened to Bush almost routinely at LEFT WING rallies.








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Friday, April 17, 2009 12:53 AM

AURAPTOR

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And for all the talk by the MSM that the tea parties were nothing more than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets, they expect folks to miss the irony of their bogus charges.


Yes, Fox News did COVER the story, as it was legit news. But for folks on the Left to complain that this wasn't a truly grass roots fueled event, is ridiculous.

This after 8 yrs of dissent of the most vulgar, course and even violent sort that we've seen since the late 60's. This from the folks who organize " protest " marches which are nothing more than cleverly disguised rallies for and put on by the Socialist Party and financed in large part by BILLIONAIRE George Soros.

Hypocrisy, they name is the Left Wing!




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Friday, April 17, 2009 1:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And for all the talk by the MSM that the tea parties were nothing more than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets, they expect folks to miss the irony of their bogus charges.


Yes, Fox News did COVER the story, as it was legit news. But for folks on the Left to complain that this wasn't a truly grass roots fueled event, is ridiculous.

This after 8 yrs of dissent of the most vulgar, course and even violent sort that we've seen since the late 60's. This from the folks who organize " protest " marches which are nothing more than cleverly disguised rallies for and put on by the Socialist Party and financed in large part by BILLIONAIRE George Soros.

Hypocrisy, they name is the Left Wing!






The stories I'm hearing are that Fox didn't just "cover" the tea parties, but rather that Fox was the de-facto SPONSOR of them, and their "coverage" started weeks in advance - in fact, was essentially PROMOTION of them, not "coverage" of them.

There are allegations that Fox News on-air personalities were doing recorded messages, that Fox was sending out mass e-mails, in short that Fox News was the corporation organizing and paying for the tea parties.

So for you to claim that they are anything LESS than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets might turn out to be TRULY ironic.

So all of this may be nothing more "grassroots" than a cleverly disguised rally for, put on by, and financed in large part by BILLIONAIRE Rupert Murdoch.

I'm still looking into this as time permits, but here's a couple quick links to some disturbing details:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200904080025

Note Glenn Beck's "FNC Tax Day Tea Party" tagline. Do news channels normally try to put their name on the stories they "cover"? I don't recall Katie Couric touting the "CBS Virginia Tech Shooting". It seems to me that Fox is trying to brand the parties as their own. Question is, did they climb on board AFTER the parties were organized, or did FNC actually cook up the whole idea? And it's a question YOU should want the answers to as much as me, 'Rap. If you think the Lefties are being duped and used as shills for corporations, shouldn't you decry being used in the same manner?

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/04/more_tea_party_symbiotics_fox_
news.php


Stay tuned,

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Friday, April 17, 2009 1:38 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And for all the talk by the MSM that the tea parties were nothing more than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets, they expect folks to miss the irony of their bogus charges.



Sadly, there more truth in this than I'd like to admit. While the tea parties started out as a grassroots movement, mostly by Ron Paul supporters and small government advocates, they WERE co-opted by mainstream Republican cheerleaders. That's particularly frustrating because, while we need all the help we can get, these are the very same bastards who were snickering at Ron Paul in the primary debates when he was warning us about the economy. The very same Bush bootlickers mocking us because we dared to point out the emperor's new GWOT wore no clothes.

So, to see them jumping on the bandwagon at this point (ie. too late) is not only annoying, it's also a bit suspicious. Glenn Beck basically called Ron Paul a terrorist during the primary campaign. The folks at Fox took every opportunity to mock us and promote their corporate approved candidates instead. But now as they sense the political winds changing, we see a convenient change of heart.

I'm not sure we need those kinds of allies. All I see them doing is shitting on the legitimacy of the genuine libertarian movement. I almost wonder if that isn't their real goal.

SergeantX

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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:53 AM

RIPWASH


I'm not sure what to make of this other than that I heard these tea parties were initiated by a couple of stay-at-home moms who were getting sick and tired of everything and, yes, probably talk radio and Fox picked up on it first for some reason (could be because it was NEWS? Hmmmmmm.... ).

What I do know, from listening to Beck and Hannity for a while now, is that they did support Bush in many areas, but one of the areas they did not support him on was his spending. Many times they blasted him on spending and on the subject of immigration. So to say they were bootlickers is a bit of an uninformed statement. I'll also mention that Hannity may have covered the Atlanta Tea Party on his FOX show, but he also promoted it on his radio show which is on an ABC-owned station out of NYC. Same thing goes for Beck, I think.

I've seen clips of newscasts saying these parties were anti-Obama, anti-government, anti-taxes. But I watched Glenn Beck's program broadcast from the Alamo that day. He said, flat out, it wasn't about party, it was about freedom. He said "Democrats SUCK" which got cheers, "but no more so than Republicans SUCK" which got even more cheers. AND he asked questions I didn't hear from any other reporter that I'd seen clips of (I did see something on CNN.com about this, however). The most important of which was, "Why now? Why didn't people react like this 4 or 6 years ago when Bush was in office?" The answer was simple. People got complacent, as Americans have a tendency to get. Yes, there was some acceptance, but then it got worse and worse and, unfortunately for Obama, the stimulous package and continued bailouts were the last straw.

That was MY take on it. My opinion alone.

But it's also my opinion that if some rich person DID finance this, it's really no different than George Soros giving millions upon millions of dollars to organizations like Moveon.org or ACORN. Same exact thing and one side should not blast the other (pointing out BOTH sides here, folks) for using the same tactics.

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Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:01 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
But it's also my opinion that if some rich person DID finance this, it's really no different than George Soros giving millions upon millions of dollars to organizations like Moveon.org or ACORN. Same exact thing and one side should not blast the other (pointing out BOTH sides here, folks) for using the same tactics.



How about blasting both sides for duplicity? Ours is a history of being suckers for one "side" or the other. Fact is, they're they same side and they're playing us.

SergeantX

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:04 AM

RUE

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:17 AM

RUE

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Fact is, they're they same side and they're playing us.
And Americans are so easy to play its scary. They think they're being anti-government? Talking about freedom? All they're doing is dancing to someone else's tune.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:21 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
And Americans are so easy to play its scary. They think they're being anti-government? Talking about freedom? All they're doing is dancing to someone else's tune.



The really frustrating thing is that seems a ubiquitous fact of politics. The rank and file of pretty much every "movement" consists of flag-waving morons. So it invariably reduces to an ugly game of demagoguery with unscrupulous "leaders" manipulating their respective mobs. I don't know how we get around that.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:26 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


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Originally posted by rue:
you don't even recognize that your own logic is being reflected back at you

Um, nah. No. Sorry but I'll choose not to nod to Kwickos powerful intellect. What I see are are two enablers leaning on each other for support. There are others here doing it too. If Mr. isall proffered this opinion I'd consider it, but from you rue, sorry no.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:30 AM

AURAPTOR

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you're hearing shit from a Left wing site , made by Hillary Clinton. Her husband tried to blame Rush Limbaugh for the O.K. city bombings.

You have no credibility.




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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Not that I disagree with your point, but I felt it worth noting that you felt fit to chastise Kwiko and not Jong for literally the same words...

Read further down then. Jong calls me naive and I respond.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
you don't even recognize that your own logic is being reflected back at you

Um, nah. No. Sorry but I'll choose not to nod to Kwickos powerful intellect. What I see are are two enablers leaning on each other for support. There are others here doing it too. If Mr. isall proffered this opinion I'd consider it, but from you rue, sorry no.



That's a bit damning then, isn't it? You're freely admitting that you'll give differing levels of credence to the exact same information depending on whom in comes from. That's fine, just as long as you don't ever try to portray yourself as fair, balanced, or unbiased. Clearly you ARE biased.

That's not a condemnation or a criticism; it's a mere observation. We ALL tend to be biased. If we're honest, we can see and admit these biases, and then we can try to find a way to work around them.

What drives me nuts is people - AuRaptor is a shining example - who are completely and utterly blinded by their biases, so much so that they can't even admit that they HAVE such a bent.

Here he is telling me that the tea parties were completely grass-roots, unlike all those Soros-backed protests the left attends. I pointed out that this MAY NOT be so. I didn't claim that it clearly isn't so, or can't be true. I didn't call him a liar, a fuck-nuts, an idiot, a dumbass, a prick, or any of the things he routinely calls me. All I did was point out that there is SOME evidence that this is far from a simple grass-roots movement, and may in fact be strongly backed by Fox News. That's fine and good, Fox can do that - but don't try to tell me that their "coverage" of it is purely from a "news" standpoint. That's just ludicrous.

And rather than take that information and look into it himself, 'Rap decided to simply say, "You listened to Hillary. You have no credibility."



Mike

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, rappy listens to limbaugh, so HE has no credibility.

Right, rappy?

Same logic.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 5:07 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's a bit damning then, isn't it? You're freely admitting that you'll give differing levels of credence to the exact same information depending on whom in comes from.

You're quite the debater K. I'll hand you that. A great skill for all debaters to hone is to re-direct the debate into a direction they can control. And that is what you've done here, changed the focus to imply that if person A said a thing I'd disagree but if person B (Whom I like presumably) says the same thing...well I'd agree by george!

Nope. Allow me to drag the point back into focus. I believe Rue to be a biased person. I always have. Certainly Rap is as well. Sometimes Rap espouses retroic that fits into my world view of economic liberty. Sometimes Rue will profer statements that fit my world view of personal liberty. I see their divergent paths as 2 parts of a greater whole.

You I see as older and wiser, but in no way less able to cut through the retroic yourself. Because Rue is so much like yourself you two lean back to back like Gump & Bubba in war. I've watched Rap and Wulf do the same thing.

To finish on the primary point I'll offer this: I seek wisdom from the wise. There are about 3 posters on fff that help me grow. Chris, for all his strangeness at times, has become one of those 3 over the years. Rue on the other hand is a person I've meet many times before. The heart is in the correct place to do good without the wisdom to consider all consequences. Just as Wulf's focused willpower is in the right place to take action without the wisdom to consider those consequences.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 5:19 AM

RUE

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"To finish on the primary point ..."

I can't imagine what your post has to do with the topic. Speaking of redirecting ...

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Friday, April 17, 2009 7:01 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I think all that is very noble. I also think it's very naive.



And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.

I saw a lot of things at yesterday's tea party. There were even some scant counter-protestors. But their efforts were such a waste, they had no message. And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him.



Well, sure - 'cause if you can't tar the ones who'd really benefit from it, tar the vagrant panhandlers. Everybody knows they're nothing more than failed politicians, anyway.

I reckon that's why Jesus said that thing about the poor always being with us - he knew that we would need surrogates for those times when tarring those who actually wanted tarring would prove impractical and/or inadvisable.

I certainly hope he got what was coming to him...or to somebody, at any rate...

ETA: Which reminds me - if the detainee abuse outcry becomes too unmanageable, maybe we can round up some vagrants and charge them with torture and war crimes. And then tar them.

And this is why I usually limit myself to nonsequiturs and one-liners...by the time I care enough to try and post a serious post, I'm about as coherent as a ferret on meth...


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Friday, April 17, 2009 7:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.




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Friday, April 17, 2009 7:22 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.


you forgot the in prefix.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 7:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.
Hmmm... Limbaugh is 99% credible. And why should I believe this??? Because a Limbaugh supporter told me so???

This is the same circular logic as: The bible is the word of god. How do I know? Because it tells me so!

I was hoping that you would agree to a less belief-driven test of credibility... such as the ability to explain ALL of the facts (not just a select few) and the ability to predict the future. Alas, I see that you're as religious about Limbaugh as some are about the bible.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 8:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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But now as they sense the political winds changing, we see a convenient change of heart.

That always happens, you can always pick out the damn collaborators so easily cause when the wind changes, they're the ones making plaintive, pathetic, overblown shows of loyalty to the new regime, which of course they "always really supported" while dropping any evidence to the contrary down the memory hole and playing to the all too short memories of the masses.

This ain't so much certain republicans, as it is the mainstream media right now because they DID collaborate, they WERE complicit, and all this massive sucking up is in desperate efforts to not only try to keep them relevant, which is a failure from the start since due to them acting as a fucking propaganda machine for the GOP over the course of the last six years, most folks with half a clue went to other sources for their news and this is putting a hard financial pinch on them, and soon enough they'll not only scream and whine for a bailout, but then take the money and funnel it into restrictive measures intended to strangle the internet cause we can't have the people ACTUALLY knowing what's going on, oh no...

See, the assholes in power been doing this shit all along, it's due to the free and open nature of the internet and the free exchange of information (good, bad, ugly and requiring critical thought to determine value from chaff) that these days we CATCH them at it, more and more often, and despite what many folks think of "loons" like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, John Lee, and so many other obviously-cracked folks, they do dig out shitloads of information which otherwise no one would bother, and often enough someone more reputable and credible will take the ball and run with it.

Considering what HAPPENS to whistleblowers these days, despite all but illusory supposed legal protections, they've really only got one way to spill the dirt in this era also, and who do you think they spill it to ?
Often enough buried in their own spin, prejudices and misperceptions.

But so long as the internet exists, the facts are out there, and even if it WERE strangled, there's FIDONET and Samzidat, cause it's just too late for these alphabet goons to cut off the flow when most of their upper management is still stuck in a 1950s mindset regarding the matter.
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I'm not sure we need those kinds of allies. All I see them doing is shitting on the legitimacy of the genuine libertarian movement. I almost wonder if that isn't their real goal.

You can thank Bob Barr for that, since by lack of opposition and complete shunning of anyone not rabidly conservative, him and his cronies, initially given the position despite a majority of the party being against it, have turned the "libertarian" party into GOP-Lite complete with every goddamn flaw those Federalist-Neo-Fascist pricks ever had, and not a single one of the advantages like heavy old money backing and corporate support, that they'd need to make that lameass idea even work.

And of course, as this progressed most of the real libertarian types jumped ship and even more moderate conservatives like Will Grigg took a beating because they got hammered by three sides with the "libertarians" siding with the very radical right assholes they were trying to distance themselves from.

NO ONE has forgotten this, and these kind of grudges tend to last a damn long time in politics.
By installing and supporting Barr, and failing to dump him even as he destroyed their party's viability, the "libertarian" party has in essence, self-destructed, and the fact that he is STILL THERE despite this means that any chance of redeeming it is utterly hopeless.
What's next, hiring that psycho Bolton as their press agent ?

Believe me, I am not above using treacherous quisling cowards like these as cannon fodder, or even as catspaws to eliminate each OTHER, which they'll do gleefully to prove thier loyalty to "the cause" and bury their own native cowardice by mowing someone else down for it - this being a time honored and damned effective tactic ever since the Reign of Terror, and as I pointed out, it's always these bastards who enabled it in the first place which are the first to get fed into the machine they fueled and started.

Given things as they are, like I ain't gonna make DAMN SURE that happens ?

I got a use for "allies" like these indeed, and lets just say the job comes with traditional red shirt, yes ?
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The really frustrating thing is that seems a ubiquitous fact of politics. The rank and file of pretty much every "movement" consists of flag-waving morons. So it invariably reduces to an ugly game of demagoguery with unscrupulous "leaders" manipulating their respective mobs. I don't know how we get around that.

Start handing out your own flags to wave.
Press might not have covered it, but there WERE some black banners flying at those "Tea Parties", some of which were flown by our on-site observers.
After a small dip when Shrub got run out of town on a rail, we're still having a serious growth on this end, and the bailout ire isn't doin the current regime a lotta good neither.

There are more forces and movements on the field than the mainstream news is gonna tell you, and not all of em advertise, remember this.

But if you wanna know more - well, just look for a black banner.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, April 17, 2009 8:39 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.






BWAAAAHHAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!

Thanks, that was a good one.



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Friday, April 17, 2009 9:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Heh heh heh.

May Day approaches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chummy_Fleming

"... I am going to be expelled because I am an anarchist. I am in the company of Tolstoy, Spencer and the most advanced thinkers of the world. Workers will never get their rights while they look to Parliament. A general strike would be more effective than all the Parliaments in the world. I have got a fine stick and I am going to use It. Expel me if you like. I am an anarchist. We have been hanged in Chicago, electrocuted in New York, guillotined in Paris and strangled in Italy, and I will go with my comrades. I am opposed to your Government and to your authority. Down with them. Do your worst. Long live Anarchy".

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, April 17, 2009 1:54 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"the stimulous package and continued bailouts were the last straw"

I thought the bailouts were a bad idea. As I've said several times already, the government could have gotten a lot more bang for the buck if it had simply renegotiated the problematic mortgages. All those over-leveraged multiple layers of investment 'instruments' BASED ON MORTGAGES would have been stabilized, as would have the banks. AND people could have legitimately stayed in their homes, and the real estate market would not have crashed so badly.


An opinion I read a while back - more stimulus, less bailout. I couldn't agree more. The economy is running on 'bubbles' (there is a book called 'The Bubble Economy'). And bubbles are simply people pushing an elevator up because it's going up (for now). The country needs INVESTMENT in order to MANUFACTURE. That's what the stimulus is supposed to do. I have no problem with that.


While I can see people getting irked at signing those tax checks to the US Treasury - and hence to Geithner and hence to the fat cats - it seems silly to be protesting a TAX CUT. What do you want the government to do in response - take the money back ??? I mean, really - how idiotic is that ?


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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.


you forgot the in.



Oh, you mean 'Everyone should listen IN ' ???

Prefix isn't what you meant, I'm sure.




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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:46 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'..."

Starting with BUSH, perhaps ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090416/pl_politico/21300

Earlier vet. report drew no fire

While the American Legion and conservative commentators have pounced on a recent Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism, calling it politically motivated and slanderous toward veterans, a 2008 FBI report with similar findings generated little controversy or coverage.

The 2008 report, produced while President Bush was in office and titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11,” found that although veterans don’t make up a large percentage of “white supremacist extremists,” they have taken on leadership roles in the movement.

The DHS report circulating this week dedicated just one section to “disgruntled military veterans,” where it referenced the 2008 report.

Earlier Wednesday, Rehnbein’s colleague John Sommer and Fox News host Greta Van Sustren were raking the report over the coals.

“It's slanderous. It's insane. It's insulting,” Van Sustren said. “It's all those things.” (Unless Bush does it. In which case - it's A-OK ! )


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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:56 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent."

Except when they are not:

"when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him"


Not exactly an advertisement for the civility and decency of the tea-baggers.

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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:21 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Except Rue, it is.

Had I been at these Tea Parties...lol. I would have rushed the White House.

But I had to work, unfortunatly. And, yes, I chose to gather another paycheck instead of charging. Take of that what you will.

As far as I could see, and keep in mind I was 2 blocks from the White House...they WERE civil.




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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:23 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Not according to a poster who was at a tea party.

"And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him."


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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent."

Except when they are not:

"when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him"


Not exactly an advertisement for the civility and decency of the tea-baggers.

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WTF are you even talking about ? Because you made up a uncredited quote, and then underlined it, that dismisses the entire movement? Dude, put down the crack pipe when you post.






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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:48 PM

RUE

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"WTF are you even talking about ? Because you made up a uncredited quote, and then underlined it, that dismisses the entire movement? Dude, put down the crack pipe when you post."

Uncredited ?

Now I KNOW you don't read posts -

Here's the credit:


BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37817&m=695289#695289



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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:51 PM

RUE

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Made up ? And here's the quote:

Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:


And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.

I saw a lot of things at yesterday's tea party. There were even some scant counter-protestors. But their efforts were such a waste, they had no message. And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him.



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Friday, April 17, 2009 3:54 PM

RUE

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Got any more silly posts, Rap ?

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:03 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


....and you have a problem with a beggar being tarred and feathered?

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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:06 PM

RUE

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I'm just going to preserve this one.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
....and you have a problem with a beggar being tarred and feathered?



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Friday, April 17, 2009 4:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
....and you have a problem with a beggar being tarred and feathered?



I certainly do. I thought bluesun's comment was ugly, and frankly it's the kinda stuff I hear from Republicans that makes me want to steer clear. Keep in mind wulf, beggars ask for your money. If the do it politely, and I've got it to spare, I'll help out.

Of course if they wanna play the subtle intimidation game it's another matter. But I'd rather have them asking for money than voting to take it by force.


EDIT: I should add I also hear that attitude often enough from Democrats - their rationalization being that we have government programs to take care of them and they have no business 'freelancing'.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Friday, April 17, 2009 5:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"WTF are you even talking about ? Because you made up a uncredited quote, and then underlined it, that dismisses the entire movement? Dude, put down the crack pipe when you post."

Uncredited ?

Now I KNOW you don't read posts -

Here's the credit:


BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37817&m=695289#695289


Silence is consent.



I read YOUR post, and it was completely void of any citation of said quote. Don't blame others for your lack of due diligence. I never claimed I read EVERY SINGLE POST. I have too much of a life to devote that much time on this board.




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Friday, April 17, 2009 11:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

I certainly do. I thought bluesun's comment was ugly, and frankly it's the kinda stuff I hear from Republicans that makes me want to steer clear. Keep in mind wulf, beggars ask for your money. If the do it politely, and I've got it to spare, I'll help out.

Of course if they wanna play the subtle intimidation game it's another matter. But I'd rather have them asking for money than voting to take it by force.


Or worse, resorting to violence and crime to obtain it.

Considering what it does to one's sense of self and self-respect, most of them folk with a tin cup and a sign really DO need the help, and if their life is so fucked up already that the idea of "scamming" three bucks outta me is gonna make their day - it's a good deed nonetheless cause you've given them SOMETHING other than misery and shame to carry with them for a while.

I don't really have the words for it, but even when I was sleepin on a park bench I had to fight over to have in early winter, I still couldn't find it in me to beg due to a combination of lack of faith in humanity and personal pride, and thus turned to crime and violence.

I'm sure that those on the receiving end would have preferred it didn't happen that way, so consider well if you'd rather them holding a tin cup out to you, or a weapon out AT you...

Cause if one doesn't work, it will drive them to the other, never you doubt it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:00 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Had I been at these Tea Parties...lol. I would have rushed the White House.

But I had to work, unfortunatly. And, yes, I chose to gather another paycheck instead of charging. Take of that what you will.

Well tell you what, when your little one man revolution is able to fit itself into your busy schedule and you decide to take back the White House guns a-blazing, be sure to let us know so I know when to tune into the news to hear about the psychopath wearing a Guy Fawkes mask gunned down on the White House lawn and can laugh at your silly ass with the rest of the country.


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Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:37 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.


you forgot the in.



Oh, you mean 'Everyone should listen IN ' ???

Prefix isn't what you meant, I'm sure.





Prefix dear, as in coming before a word, not postfix. As in "inaccurate"

Rather a fail there I'm afraid.

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:42 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'..."

Starting with BUSH, perhaps ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090416/pl_politico/21300

Earlier vet. report drew no fire

While the American Legion and conservative commentators have pounced on a recent Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism, calling it politically motivated and slanderous toward veterans, a 2008 FBI report with similar findings generated little controversy or coverage.

The 2008 report, produced while President Bush was in office and titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11,” found that although veterans don’t make up a large percentage of “white supremacist extremists,” they have taken on leadership roles in the movement.

The DHS report circulating this week dedicated just one section to “disgruntled military veterans,” where it referenced the 2008 report.



Sure , let him go first...First in crime , first in line...

The white supremacist thing rather limited the scope of the FBI's report , so it drew little attention by comparison to the new Dept. of Hokey Security dragnet , into which about 75% of the populace would fit , by their broad and (over)reaching definitions...

It's 'political profiling' , plain and simple...

The difference between this current alert and the FBI's prior report is apples vs. fish -- Not much alike , when seriously considered...

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Monday, April 20, 2009 7:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Not according to a poster who was at a tea party: "And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him."

Those were my words. I stand by them Rue. As a person who did not attend a party you cannot understand the spirit of self-suffency present. Speech after speech focused on 2 topics:
1. Our government's newly bloated growth and the certain doom of unsustainable debt.
2. A focus for each person on doing their part to "do for themselves" and to lessen as much as possible their dependence upon government.

The guy who was panhandling was looking for drug money. Period. 3 blocks east and 1 block north of our location is a mission that feeds and shelters homeless. I did not mention in the post eariler that while we tea-partiers were sharing our mutual belief not to grow government, we were also asked by at least one speaker to give "time talent and treasure" as we can, and the nearby mission was actually mentioned as an example of things people could do. But should we give this guy money for drugs or booze? Everyone there knew exactly what he was doing. Saying that we'd "tar" him was of course going too far. Certainly a poor choice of words on my part and they play right into the hands of those trying to cast doubt on the intentions of the gatherings...such as you.

But you know Rue, I'll make it personal for you with a question, and I'd like you to answer honestly as the kind spirit you are. You are on the street. A panhandler approaches you 2 blocks from a homeless shelter and asks for money. He smells of booze. Do you give it to him? Answer me truthfully and then maybe I'll tell you a true story of what happened to my wife when she did just that 3 years ago.

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Monday, April 20, 2009 12:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Even the damn Conservatives admit nefarious and duplicitous motives behind their support of said protests, you know.

The Tea Parties: We’ve Seen It All Before
http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken129.html

EXCERPT
"Conservatives have been doing this since the fifties. In order to enhance the popularity of their cause, they pretend to be the ideology of low-taxes and decreased spending, espousing the many benefits of austere government.

Then, as soon as they are in power, they quickly forget all about the ideals of small government and focus on what really matters to them: nationalism, war, and doling out the spoils of political victory to their friends.

So yes, the Tea Party protestors are right that Obama is spending recklessly, and they’re right that deficits are out of control, and they’re right that taxes are outrageously high.

But their inconsistency on these issues is embarrassingly obvious. And for those of us who can remember the last time the Conservatives pretended to oppose big government, we’ll just unhappily wait for the next time a Republican is in office and all the Conservatives suddenly realize that big government is fine as long as their guy is in charge."


They've played that card often enough that no one buys it no more, and the credibility of their movement and party is about what it deserves to be.

Mud.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Actually, the big gov't socialist plans to take your freedom and redistribute the wealth from the achievers to the low life slackers have been around for a while now.


Welcome to the comfort and enlightenment of true civilization.


Chicago-Tribune circa 1934




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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Chicago-Tribune circa 1934




Just think - within a mere ten years of that "recklessness", America was the richest, most powerful nation on Earth - and remained so until at least 2001.

Seems like we could use some of that kind of reckless socialism right about now!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Monday, April 20, 2009 3:09 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Err. you tards do know that the Tea Parties were started by Ron Paul supporters.

The Repubs just jumped on the bandwagon.

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Monday, April 20, 2009 3:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA


*bonks Wulfie on the head for using an unnecessary slur*

I am very well aware of that, and in all honesty if they REALLY want to fix the problems, some of them damn fools are even welcome...

But it's not like we don't also see the very transparent attempt at transforming a very real reform movement into yet another GOP power grab, just look at the mess Bob Barr and company made of the Libertarian party cause folks were neither cynical nor skeptical enough and trusted them.

Better that we don't let that happen here, right ?

If they're really up for reform, by all means welcome to the party, but if you wanna do to us what they did to the LP ?

Oh hell no - and as such, they're gonna have to prove themselves, and so far they ain't done that, if anything, they've just cast themselves further into suspicion in light of all but ADMITTING that very intent.

Trusting them right now to instigate reform against the current administration is as foolish as trusting the Clinton Globalistas to reform the former administration, something which I most pointedly did not do, as you well recall.

Don't mistake those who wanna tighten up the leash, for those that simply desire to hold it - haven't we made that mistake enough already ?

While I am indeed bitterly skeptical, I did see a rather heartwarming moment in all of that, really how often do you get to see a Nader Green and a Bush Conservative stop snarling at each other long enough to spit curses at someone else ?


Just wait till you see what we got in store for May Day, my friend.

-Frem

PS. I don't do political correctness, but using the word retard or abbreviates for some folk is actually insulting to mentally retarded folk, since they in fact don't know any better - and the folk you're meaning to insult DO.

"dumbfucks" would have been somewhat more accurate there, guy.

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Monday, April 20, 2009 4:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Err. you tards do know that the Tea Parties were started by Ron Paul supporters.

The Repubs just jumped on the bandwagon.



And you let them take over, and were only too happy to turn the controls over to them, after the way they treated Dr. Paul.

And then YOU, Wulfie, you didn't even go out and support them.

I guess we can see where your honor and principles really lie, eh?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Monday, April 20, 2009 4:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Just think - within a mere ten years of that "recklessness", America was the richest, most powerful nation on Earth - and remained so until at least 2001.

Seems like we could use some of that kind of reckless socialism right about now!

Mike




By 1944, much of the major powers of the world had been bombed out, or had a major military campaigns ravage large parts of their land. The U.S. was the only major power that hadn't had any battles fought on its home ( mainland ) soil.

I guess you're in favor of breaking out a world war, and really hyping up the military industrial complex, to get us out of this fix, huh?




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