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So you're innocent... then what ?

POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Thursday, April 23, 2009 08:54
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Monday, April 20, 2009 12:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Posting this in response to a request from The Innocence Project.

Living A Life Sentence
What Happens After The Innocent Are Exonerated For Crimes They Didn’t Commit? For Many, It's Tougher Than A Prison Yard
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/19/sunday/main4954764.shtml

As always...
Prosecutors, she discovered, had withheld evidence showing that the likely cause of Roger de la Burde's death was suicide, not murder.

I am of the mind that any violation of discovery, which is EXTREMELY common and NEVER prosecuted, often enough not even penalised - ought to carry disbarrment and a minimum prison sentence, and further, in a case like this, the prosecutor who violated it would be then sentenced themself to the exact amount of time that the innocent person served.

As well, when does it STOP ?

If you're going to hang a crime over someones head in this fashion for all eternity, is that really any better than killing them ?

At what point can you say they've "paid their debt" and the slate is clean ?
This is especially poignant in the aftermath of a man who defended his home against home invaders with a firearm, by all rights a completely legal and righteous act of self defense - who is now going to go to JAIL for possessing the firearm.
And why ?
Cause he's a felon, which means a life-long branding every bit as cruel and savage as branding someones face for crimes back in the middle ages - the fact that we do it with paperwork and by ignoring peoples privacy makes it more vile, not less, were you to ask me.

And it could happen to you, any time, any where.

Maybe you happened to be standing nearby, maybe you match the perps description enough that the local PD decides to beat a "confession" out of you, or send their testilying goons, even a paid off "informant" to finger you in the same fashion they obtain warrants...

Or maybe you DID commit a "crime", like the one you're probably committing now by connecting to the internet at a speed greater than 56,000baud, which is a Felony, just ask BernieS.

And as simple as that, you're marked for life.

I am against the death penalty, but yanno, taken in context, killing them might be more merciful than what we really DO, mighten it ?

Just stuff for you to think about.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


9/11 "Mastermind" confessed after waterboarded 183 times...

Quote:

The C.I.A. officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah, according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as a Qaeda operative.

A former C.I.A. officer, John Kiriakou, told ABC News and other news media organizations in 2007 that Abu Zubaydah had undergone waterboarding for only 35 seconds before agreeing to tell everything he knew.

The 2005 memo also says that the C.I.A. used waterboarding 183 times in March 2003 against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/world/20detain.html



Khalid Shaikh Mohammed confessed to crimes that had not even happened yet.

False confession? No way!

Quote:

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006


www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html



"The FBI added Adam Gadahn to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and the U.S. State Department is offering a reward up to $1 million for his arrest. A 28-year-old California man has been indicted on federal charges of treason and providing material support to a terrorist group for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, including one in which he praised the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks. 'Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist, who has chosen to betray the country of his birth,' FBI Executive Assistant Director Willie Hulon said during a press conference Wednesday in Washington, D.C."
-FBI Most Wanted
www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

"In Sept of last year, Adam Gadahn [aka Adam Perlman], the son of Jewish parents, the son of Jewish grandparents [who are on the board of directors of Jewish ADL] in Southern California, who himself converted to Islam, went on to become Osama Bin Laden's spokesman."
-Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA), Jewish chairman, Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment, CSPAN, Use of the Internet by Terrorists: Using the Web as a Weapon for 9/11 Truth, November 6, 2007
www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

Jew Rep Harman Caught on NSA Tape Agreeing to Lobby for Israel Spies = TREASON
www.republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1364



"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST
www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html



60 Terminator drone attacks kill 14 ‘al-Qaeda’ men, 687 civilians
www.republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1195

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/19/sunday/main4954764.shtml


It's stories like this that make me wanna beat the crap out of authoritarian lapdogs for their blind allegiance to bureaucracy.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/19/sunday/main4954764.shtml


It's stories like this that make me wanna beat the crap out of authoritarian lapdogs for their blind allegiance to bureaucracy.


The laughing Chrisisall



You mean the lapdogs who insist that these people wouldn't be in prison if they hadn't done SOMETHING wrong? They tend to be the same ones (or is it just the same ONE?) here who insist that there's no such thing as predatory lending, and that such things NEVER happened, ever.

Sure, and there's never been any such thing as "predatory prosecution", either. No prosecutor would ever misuse his power in that way; it's just not possible!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:33 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Disbar them all. If one handled a case in a fraudulent way, one should lose one's ability to practice law. If one's actions resulted in significant imprisonment or death, one should be charged and imprisoned.

It's terrifying to know the same manipulative people repeat this process over ad over through long careers without any sanctions or fear of punishment.

---
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:06 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Rouge prosecutors eventually get exposed, like the Durham DA during the Duke Lacrosse case. His life is go se now. Do they all get caught? No, but many of us believe there will always be a final day of judgement for our actions. There is opportunism, ineptness, and outright evil in all walks of life. Knowing this should make all us tread more cautiously in what we do.

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:15 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Rouge prosecutors eventually get exposed, like the Durham DA during the Duke Lacrosse case. His life is go se now. Do they all get caught? No, but many of us believe there will always be a final day of judgement for our actions. There is opportunism, ineptness, and outright evil in all walks of life. Knowing this should make all us tread more cautiously in what we do.



That's nice and all to think that there will be a final judgment for evil doers, but what do we do now? Today. I want their influence stopped before they hurt more people. Our communities need to take these accusations seriously and deal with the perverts of justice. If we can't jail them, then at least remove them from the positions of power.

---
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
www.thatcostumegirl.com
www.thatweirdgirl.com

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:38 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Rouge prosecutors eventually get exposed, like the Durham DA during the Duke Lacrosse case. His life is go se now. Do they all get caught? No, ....



Well, at least you made it to the next sentence before contradicting yourself.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:43 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Rouge prosecutors eventually get exposed, like the Durham DA during the Duke Lacrosse case. His life is go se now. Do they all get caught? No, but many of us believe there will always be a final day of judgement for our actions. There is opportunism, ineptness, and outright evil in all walks of life. Knowing this should make all us tread more cautiously in what we do.



That's nice and all to think that there will be a final judgment for evil doers, but what do we do now? Today. I want their influence stopped before they hurt more people. Our communities need to take these accusations seriously and deal with the perverts of justice. If we can't jail them, then at least remove them from the positions of power.



The saying, "What goes around, comes around," is sorta comforting in an abstract sense, but personally I've found that it happens on a timescale that I find less than satisfying. I, too, like to see repeat offending weasels bitch-slapped - or, if you prefer, shown the error of their ways - in a more timely fashion.

And then I have a question: If I ever get a band together, may we have your permission to call ourselves The Perverts of Justice?



W W R D ?
What would Rorschach do?

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:07 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Quote:

Originally posted by WASHnwear:
And then I have a question: If I ever get a band together, may we have your permission to call ourselves The Perverts of Justice?



Absolutely

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
www.thatcostumegirl.com
www.thatweirdgirl.com

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:22 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Quote:

Originally posted by WASHnwear:
And then I have a question: If I ever get a band together, may we have your permission to call ourselves The Perverts of Justice?



Absolutely



Shiny!



W W T P J D ?
What would The Perverts of Justice do?

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Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


The saying, "What goes around, comes around," is sorta comforting in an abstract sense, but personally I've found that it happens on a timescale that I find less than satisfying.



Yuppers. Sometimes you just wanna give the wheel of karma a big ol' push, and help it to roll over and squash the offenders...

By the way, I'm calling my band "Free Beer - No Cover!"

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:37 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

That's nice and all to think that there will be a final judgment for evil doers, but what do we do now? Today. I want their influence stopped before they hurt more people. Our communities need to take these accusations seriously and deal with the perverts of justice. If we can't jail them, then at least remove them from the positions of power.



"...That amendment, which Branson says he hopes will soon be copied nationwide, would create grand juries with the power to investigate and indict judges, as well as toss them off the bench and strip them of their immunity so they could be sued for decisions they make. He calls it the Judicial Accountability Initiative Law, which shortens to the catchy slogan "JAIL for Judges."

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/24/local/me-jailforjudges24

www.jail4judges.org/

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Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Rouge prosecutors eventually get exposed, like the Durham DA during the Duke Lacrosse case. His life is go se now. Do they all get caught? No, ....



Well, at least you made it to the next sentence before contradicting yourself.


Can you EVER be anything other than an asshole?

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