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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 AM

RIPWASH


Rue and I went back and forth for a bit on Canadian healthcare in another thread. It didn't dawn on me until recently that I DO in fact know a Canadian. A person I talk to on a regular basis, actually.

I asked her what she thought about their healthcare system and she shed a little light on it for me. We didn't really discuss it in depth, but what she did say was interesting.

She appreciated the fact that she doesn't have to pay extra for it (i.e. she already pays via her taxes), but the wait times are a factor and that is something she doesn't like. If she had a cough that she was worried about, for example, she could make an appointment, but it may be 4 weeks until she could get in to see a doctor. By the time she gets in, who knows what it could blossom in to if it is, indeed, serious.

The reason for this is not what I thought, but it does make a lot of sense. Since it's free, many people take advantage of it. People will go to a doctor or a hospital for very minor things and thus clog the system. While she did like the free aspect of the system, she did say that the price tag (basically . . . nada) was the problem. That if people actually had to pay for their care, it would mean more to them and they'd be a bit more frugal with it. Take the cough again. People there may set up the appointment to see a doctor even if the cough is not that bad. In the U.S. I know I only set an appointment to see a doctor about a cough if I'm coughing so much it's uncomfortable. A minor cough and I go get some medicine and see what happens. And even then, I can set an appointment with a doctor and, in most cases, get in within a few days or even the SAME day.

All of that being said, I do see the American pubic taking a huge advantage of a free healthcare system that could cause a tremendous, and possibly unforeseeable burden on that system. And that's not even to mention the folks that are here illegaly that would get that care, as well.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:54 AM

SIGNYM

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All of that being said, I do see the American pubic taking a huge advantage of a free healthcare system that could cause a tremendous, and possibly unforeseeable burden on that system
Canada manages to provide health care for everyone ... even those with niggling little problems... at a far LOWER percent of GDP and far LOWER per-capita cost. Their health care delivery system is so much more efficient than ours that if we were to adopt their system we could cover everybody and SAVE money. If you want, I can pencil-whip those saving for you, but it would be in the billions of dollars per year.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:06 AM

RIPWASH


Like I said, Sig, the cost savings are all well and good. But it's the burden on the system by the American people and those here illegally that concerns me. I doubt Canada has over 10 million illegal aliens that they have to take into consideration on top of their population.

You glossed over the fact that the person I talked to said it could take FOUR weeks to see a doctor for something relatively minor. If that's the case, it's almost useless. Sure, if it's minor, no big deal. But what if it's something that could get worse over that 4 week period? Wouldn't it be cheaper on the system to have had that problem taken care of quickly instead of the major costs to take care of it when it becomes something worse?

I sometimes get accute bronchitis. Even with medicine it's a bear to deal with and my chest is in pain all the time from coughing so much. Tell me I gotta wait 4 weeks to see a doctor? Yeah . . . right.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:12 AM

RUE

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"You glossed over the fact that the person I talked to said it could take FOUR weeks to see a doctor for something relatively minor."

It's called triage.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:23 AM

SIGNYM

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But it's the burden on the system by the American people and those here illegally that concerns me. I doubt Canada has over 10 million illegal aliens that they have to take into consideration on top of their population.
Yes, that is a factor. Costa Rica has free healthcare, and a huge number of illegal Nicaraguans who come just for that. We would have to find a way of screening out the illegals.
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You glossed over the fact that the person I talked to said it could take FOUR weeks to see a doctor for something relatively minor. If that's the case, it's almost useless. Sure, if it's minor, no big deal. But what if it's something that could get worse over that 4 week period?
Then you go the the ER, eh?

I have a Canadian friend and when he unexpectedly coughed up blood he was in the hospital IMMEDIATELY, and from there went to surgery, chemo, and bone-marrow transplant as quickly as medically possible.

OTOH I have several colleagues and family members who got raked over the coals by Kaiser HMO. One complained of neck pain, they told him (without doing any tests) that he had arthritis, gave him some ibuprofin and told him to go home. It wasn't until his leg became paralyzed three years later that they discovered a spinal tumor. Another was bounced back and forth between gyno and family docotrs for two years complaining of fatigue when she finally got mad enough to demand tests and they discovered a pituitary tumor. A sister who had back pain- they told her she needed exercise, so lived with the pain for over a decade before getting an MRI out of pocket and discovering two severely herniated disks. A hubby who was given antibiotics and ibuprofin for YEARS before consulting out of network, and was discovered to have prostate cancer.

It's not like our system works that well either.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Meh, compared to what I've seen, and been through, that's soft-peddling it there, Siggy.

Wasn't till I turned to "grey market" healthcare in desperation that I actually made any recovery at all, and in lieu of fat wads of cash, that takes influence of a kind most people simply do not have.

As for triage, well, when *financial* reasons top the sort list, people like me wind up left to die.
And most of em do, I just happen to be a very tough, infinitely stubborn jackass.

-F

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:37 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
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... But what if it's something that could get worse over that 4 week period?
Then you go the the ER, eh?



I wonder if there's any mechanism to prevent overuse of that option. Since it would appear that the only way to get quick attention is the emergency room, I could see a trend toward that as a first choice for anyone who felt their problem was serious - and nearly everyone thinks their problems are serious.

SergeantX

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:41 PM

KIRKULES


One of the reasons Government run health care is cheaper is that many die waiting for expensive procedures. I heard recently that Great Britain has the highest mortality rate for breast cancer in Europe. A woman with breast cancer in the UK has something like an 800% greater chance of dieing than a woman in the US.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:44 PM

RUE

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There is an issue of healthcare availablity in Canada - but it is in sparsely populated or remote areas. That is the same as in the US, where it's hard to get doctors to practice in rural North Dakota, for example. OTOH in metropolitan areas healthcare in Canada is far superior to the US. In Canada, eveyrone is covered and healthcare is easily available. In the US roughly 40% of people lack needed health insurance and so will go without any care at all, if they should need it. (Or, turn up in the county ER.)


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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:56 PM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

... But what if it's something that could get worse over that 4 week period?
Then you go the the ER, eh?



I wonder if there's any mechanism to prevent overuse of that option. Since it would appear that the only way to get quick attention is the emergency room, I could see a trend toward that as a first choice for anyone who felt their problem was serious - and nearly everyone thinks their problems are serious.

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"



Kirk, have you looked around lately? That's the system we've GOT. And where do you think the illegals currently go? That's right - they go to the ER. You know the old adage about what "home" is? That place that, if you have to go there, they have to take you in? Yeah, in that case, the ER is home.




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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:22 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"You glossed over the fact that the person I talked to said it could take FOUR weeks to see a doctor for something relatively minor."

It's called triage.



Actually, no. If you read the description, no one sees a person with a cough for up to four weeks. They can't (or shouldn't) do an accurate triage over the phone.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:23 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
OTOH in metropolitan areas healthcare in Canada is far superior to the US.



Cites/references please.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:35 PM

RUE

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Fuck you.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:04 PM

SERGEANTX


Go rue!

SergeantX

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:53 PM

SUCCATASH


Why can't the US do healthcare just like public schools. Offer adequate care for free, and let anyone who wants to pay for better healthcare do so, just like they do now.





"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:55 PM

SERGEANTX


'Tash!!!

Good to see you!

SergeantX

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:25 PM

SUCCATASH


Howdy, Sarge!

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:10 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Fuck you.



Thanks for the proposal, but I'm not interested. And, as noted before, Madame Geezer is a good shot.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Edit to add: So I guess this means you got no cites to prove that "in metropolitan areas healthcare in Canada is far superior to the US", and you're just trying to distract me with offers of sex.


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Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:43 AM

SIGNYM

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KIRK
Quote:

One of the reasons Government run health care is cheaper is that many die waiting for expensive procedures. I heard recently that Great Britain has the highest mortality rate for breast cancer in Europe. A woman with breast cancer in the UK has something like an 800% greater chance of dieing than a woman in the US
First of all, this compares the UK (a government-run healthcare system) to Europe (more government-run healthcare systems) and then does a fast switch to the USA. IF these stats are true they're hopelessly out of date!

The current 5-year survival rate for the USA is 88%, the current EU average is 79%, the current Swedish rate is 89%, the UK is clearly lagging at 80%.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11016&page=5
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80600.php
www.thelocal.se/15256/20081028/
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/breast/survival/
www.thelocal.se/15256/20081028/

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:25 AM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
There is an issue of healthcare availablity in Canada - but it is in sparsely populated or remote areas. That is the same as in the US, where it's hard to get doctors to practice in rural North Dakota, for example. OTOH in metropolitan areas healthcare in Canada is far superior to the US. In Canada, eveyrone is covered and healthcare is easily available. In the US roughly 40% of people lack needed health insurance and so will go without any care at all, if they should need it. (Or, turn up in the county ER.)


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Nice try. My friend is in Winnipeg. Population well over 600,000 and SHE is complaining about the availability.

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:40 AM

SIGNYM

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Everybody knows that Canada has only four cities! And I'm not sure if Ottawa counts!

Winnipeg??? That's like... like... Buffalo, for cryin' out loud!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:49 AM

RIPWASH


But it's certainly not a rural, way up north in the boondocks area. You and Rue keep saying that rural areas are the only areas where availability is limited! Make up your minds! Winnipeg is practically half the population of Manitoba fer cryin' out loud!

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:40 AM

SIGNYM

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Most peeps that I know of (from an online support community) have kids with very complex neurological issues. They're looking for university hospital research/ experimental treatment. The complaints I hear about access - whether from New Zealand or Canada or the USA- are all from people not within driving distance of a city of a million people or more. Of course, they're trying to access very specialized services. The UK doctors seem to have a god complex, and the Ozzies are a little too stoic for their own good. Of course, I don't get to hear from non-English speaking people, but the best research in my daughter's particular condition was written originally in French and Italian.

I realize this isn't what your friend is talking about, but its the only perosanl insight I have on the topic (aside from my Mississauga friend and his wife, who is a neuropsych.)



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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


After all has been done in the world the past years I think this could do with a bump


I am not a Corona alarmist, I am Not against Vaccines, if someone is worried and wants to take a jab I support that, I did not play up any Covid Fear stuff or Doomsday news


However I think we should look at the numbers


USA vs Canada ?

People made Death Threats against Conservatives and Republicans here on Fireflyfans when the numbers hit 60,000 Dead
After Biden was elected the virus cases and death counts still went up
559,101 Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office. He promised the American people he would "shut down the virus."

The United States has 243,451 cases per Million of Population
Canada had 88,609
the United States levels could be compared to Spain, Argentina, Sweden, Italy, Hungary, Serbia

The USA had 2,999 Deaths per Million Population
Canada 970
the US levels were close to Armenia, Mexico, Ukraine, Russia, Moldova


The USA's Healthcare is not Third World
but it is also not thye Health System of what should eb a 1st World Superpower nation.

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