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Friday, June 12, 2009 5:00 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?


I guess you haven't heard, never answer a question with a question. It makes you look like you don't have an answer.

But in keeping with your line of reasoning, why should Imus be held to a different standard than Letterman?

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Friday, June 12, 2009 5:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?


I guess you haven't heard, never answer a question with a question. It makes you look like you don't have an answer.

But in keeping with your line of reasoning, why should Imus be held to a different standard than Letterman?



Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?

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Friday, June 12, 2009 5:42 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?


No... YOU! Nah nah nah nah nah.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 7:10 PM

GINOBIFFARONI






" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, June 12, 2009 7:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?


No... YOU! Nah nah nah nah nah.



Hell, I was just playing by the rules YOU laid out. Guess your short-term memory isn't so good, eh? YOU said answering a question with a question is a sign of not having an answer... then proceeded to answer my question with a question. By your own words, that means that you don't have an answer.


Nah nah nah your own self.

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 5:02 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Oh, horrors! She's ghastly.




Mike




LOL!! Ghastly?

Come on, she's not as bad as all that.

Next your going to tell me Shelly Duvall, and Tori Spelling are unattractive.



Apparently you don't get sarcasm.

Mike




Oh, so you agree with me? That's a first.

She isn't bad is she?

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Nope, not bad at all.

She's no Inara, Zoe, Kaylee, or River, but I'd hardly call her ugly.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:35 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


For those who want Letterman's head, there is the FCC. Protest, put in a complaint, write your Congressman.

But don't you think that if anyone can get the FCC to slap a fine, or worse, on the late night host it would be Palin. You know, she nearly got to run this country from her porch in Alaska.
Oh yeah, wait a minute, she's not a Washington insider. So she wouldn't be able to get anything done in Washington.

Still though, with her connections (she was able to get a new wardrobe for her campaign, oh wait, that was McCain's campaign) she could get some republicans on her side. I mean after all she nearly got to run this country. BTW the republicans who championed her back when are awfully silent. Where are they? Where's the indignation? Did Rush make a comment? How about McCain? Anyone? Anyone?

I would think that a gun-toting, moose-hunting, bikini-wearing, tough-talking, backwoods-hunting momma beloved by millions could get her supporters to march on CBS and demand Letterman's head. Where's the love?

America for Americans!
Paid for by the Committee to Oust Letterman for being Naughty.

SGG :)



Tawabawho?

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Where's the love?


I want Letterman TORTURED FOR THIS OUTRAGE!!!

Well, maybe not tortured...
waterboarding would do.
*But ya got to ask him for information at the same time*



The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 15, 2009 10:14 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
The Felony Murder statute applies. Killing someone, even accidently, while committing or attempting to commit another felony is still Agg Murder in Ohio.


Oh, how nice for you that bulls**t flies in your state; remind me never to jaywalk while resisting a mugging there, I wouldn't want serve time for securing my wallet & punching a perp in the throat in the crosswalk.


You should not jaywalk under any circumstances. Crossing at the corner is safer.

Your silly example aside, the rule is for unintentional deaths resulting from intentional felonies. Rob a bank and the teller dies of a heart attack...murder. Shoot at a cop but hit the mother of three you didn't know was in the line of fire...murder. Rob a bank and the guard shoots your partner...murder (an ironic murder, but still murder).

Jaywalk while resting a mugging...not murder (but still jaywalking).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, June 15, 2009 10:38 AM

CHRISISALL


You have no case.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 15, 2009 2:45 PM

CREVANREAVER


Wow. The dirty old man has actually given an apology:

Quote:

“All right, here – I’ve been thinking about this situation with Governor Palin and her family now for about a week – it was a week ago tonight, and maybe you know about it, maybe you don’t know about it. But there was a joke that I told, and I thought I was telling it about the older daughter being at Yankee Stadium. And it was kind of a coarse joke. There’s no getting around it, but I never thought it was anybody other than the older daughter, and before the show, I checked to make sure in fact that she is of legal age, 18. Yeah. But the joke really, in and of itself, can’t be defended. The next day, people are outraged. They’re angry at me because they said, ‘How could you make a lousy joke like that about the 14-year-old girl who was at the ball game?’ And I had, honestly, no idea that the 14-year-old girl, I had no idea that anybody was at the ball game except the governor and I was told at the time she was there with Rudy Giuliani … and I really should have made the joke about Rudy …” (audience applauds) “But I didn’t, and now people are getting angry and they’re saying, ‘Well, how can you say something like that about a 14-year-old girl, and does that make you feel good to make those horrible jokes about a kid who’s completely innocent, minding her own business,’ and, turns out, she was at the ball game. I had no idea she was there. So she’s now at the ball game, and people think that I made the joke about her. And, but still, I’m wondering, ‘Well, what can I do to help people understand that I would never make a joke like this?’ I’ve never made jokes like this as long as we’ve been on the air, 30 long years, and you can’t really be doing jokes like that. And I understand, of course, why people are upset. I would be upset myself.

“And then I was watching the Jim Lehrer ‘Newshour’ – this commentator, the columnist Mark Shields, was talking about how I had made this indefensible joke about the 14-year-old girl, and I thought, ‘Oh, boy, now I’m beginning to understand what the problem is here. It’s the perception rather than the intent.’ It doesn’t make any difference what my intent was, it’s the perception. And, as they say about jokes, if you have to explain the joke, it’s not a very good joke. And I’m certainly – ” (audience applause) “– thank you. Well, my responsibility – I take full blame for that. I told a bad joke. I told a joke that was beyond flawed, and my intent is completely meaningless compared to the perception. And since it was a joke I told, I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke. It’s not your fault that it was misunderstood, it’s my fault. That it was misunderstood.” (audience applauds) “Thank you. So I would like to apologize, especially to the two daughters involved, Bristol and Willow, and also to the governor and her family and everybody else who was outraged by the joke. I’m sorry about it and I’ll try to do better in the future. Thank you very much.”



http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html

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Monday, June 15, 2009 2:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, his ratings are up since "the incident".

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Monday, June 15, 2009 5:41 PM

BYTEMITE


Yeah, he pretty much took Conan's ratings away. Not that I pay any attention to that... *innocent*

That's something else I don't understand. Democrat or Republican, if you say you love your country, and by extension your flag as a SYMBOL of your country...

Why then would you wrap yourself up in it, cut it up into clothing, or otherwise wear it?

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation? I know that he's been "domesticated"....doing the cooking, cleaning and raising the kids as mom seeks her glory in the sun, but gorram it man, for ONCE come out from behind your apron and defend your children and wife. Instead he smiles like a witless buffoon. Personal attacks on your family Todd ya big dope? You should have added your voice to the millions, well thousands, well a few winos in Nome that stick up for your wife.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:13 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation?


He didn't he was and has been right out there making statements about this issue. His wife is the national figure, her statements get the bulk of the press coverage.

I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:27 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
You have no case.


That's for a jury to decide.

I Judge my cases by their ability to withstand a Rule 29 Motion. After that I'll leave it to the Jury. Once I put it safely in their hands, I win...because that's how its all supposed to work, I win, regardless of outcome (although from a practicle aspect, I win too...because I win 97% of my cases). I've never lost a Rule 29.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation?


He didn't he was and has been right out there making statements about this issue. His wife is the national figure, her statements get the bulk of the press coverage.

I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.

H



I must have missed that. Anyway, the issue is now over, as Letterman apologized and Palin accepted......

"It was "a coarse joke," "a bad joke," Letterman told viewers. "But I never thought it was (about) anybody other than the older daughter, and before the show, I checked to make sure, in fact, that she is of legal age, 18."

"The joke, really, in and of itself, can't be defended," he declared.

If there's a misconception that he was making the joke about a 14-year-old, Letterman said he understands why people are upset. "I would be upset myself," he said.

"I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke," he said. "It's not your fault that it was misunderstood, it's my fault that it was misunderstood."

Letterman made several references to the issue during his monologue, introducing himself as "Dave Letterman, good will ambassador." He said he got a call from his mother earlier in the day telling him she was siding with Palin.

When he began a joke about Bernard Madoff, whom he called "the most hated man in America," he then amended that to a list of two.

"Me, Bernie Madoff," he said. "He was waaay out in front until a couple of days ago."


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:52 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Since Letterman says the joke was aimed at Bristol, we kind of have to take him at his word as far as his INTENT goes. There's some supporting evidence for this: Bristol DOES have a history of being "knocked up". So Letterman is joking about an EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD getting knocked up, not a fourteen-year-old as the right keeps claiming.


How is Bristol going to get knocked up by A-Rod when she wasn't even at the game? Letterman made the joke about the Palin's attending the game. Not sure why you are so determined to throw up a smoke screen. You must be a real big Letterman fan.

It’s pretty astounding to me that the excuse for the joke is that he meant it about an 18 year old, as if that somehow makes the joke okay, but even an idiot can see that the joke was about the 14 year old, whether it was intended to be or not, it was.

I think I’m reminded of a statement made by Kwicko:

"Or is it the person who says whatever the political ideologues within his own party TELL him to say? Can they stray from the talking points? Can they EVER say 'Good point' or 'Good job' when the "other side" does something they might actually agree with? Is it the person who simply MUST take the opposing viewpoint, regardless the issue, only because they have a personal dislike of the person arguing the viewpoint?" --Kwicko
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38474

So maybe it’s time that kwicko set aside his political talking points and admit the facts:

1. the joke was about the daughter at the game
2. the daughter at the game was the 14 year old.
3. the joke is not made "better" because it is about an 18 year teenager

So Kwicko there are a lot of people in this thread who deserve a "good job" from YOU, if we are to believe anything you have to say.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.



But then you'd be upset about Letterman beating up someone younger than him. And her husband, who was hiding behind her skirts as usual.

More likely scenario is that "tough guy" Palin thought really hard about suing Letterman for hurting his wittle feewings. He and his whole white-trash trailer-park cadre can now go back to being the Chuck & Di of the Klondike.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chuck & Di of the Klondike.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:05 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah, he pretty much took Conan's ratings away. Not that I pay any attention to that... *innocent*

That's something else I don't understand. Democrat or Republican, if you say you love your country, and by extension your flag as a SYMBOL of your country...

Why then would you wrap yourself up in it, cut it up into clothing, or otherwise wear it?



Flag? Flag? I musta missed something, ByteMite - was Letterman wrapped in Old Glory as he issued his mea culpa?

Hmph - for Letterman, that's practically down on one knee with head bowed. I'm...pleased, I guess, that he did it. I'm a Letterman fan with no particular love (a little lust maybe, but no real love) for Palin, but it was a poor, tasteless joke, and if I were Letterman I'd be kicking myself for letting it air, if for no other reason than the lack of professionalism and foresight..which, as we all know, are generally the very watchwords of a typical Letterman monologue.

If the Palin clan is good for anything (and I'm sure they are), it will hopefully be in supplying to their children the moral support it takes to weather the fallout from tasteless late-night comedian jokes.

Thanks, CR.



donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:10 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

1. the joke was about the daughter at the game
2. the daughter at the game was the 14 year old.


Undeniably correct.
Hence his being an idiot.
Quote:

3. the joke is not made "better" because it is about an 18 year [old] teenager.


In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.



The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:31 AM

BYTEMITE


I asked that because Ginobiffaroni posted a picture where someone had photoshopped Sarah Palin's head onto a some woman toting a gun and wearing a stars and stripes bikini.

But even though that wasn't really Sarah Palin, why would the woman be wearing a bikini like that? I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag. I'm fine with people making a message with a country's flag, and I even think people have the right to burn a flag in protest. But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think, even though I consider it a desecration of a flag in the same manner as burning a flag. I suppose it just confuses me more than it really bothers me.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:35 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag.

You can make stuff with stars & stripes on them, but you can't take a flag & chop it up to make stuff out of it.
At least that's what I heard...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:53 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I asked that because Ginobiffaroni posted a picture where someone had photoshopped Sarah Palin's head onto a some woman toting a gun and wearing a stars and stripes bikini.

But even though that wasn't really Sarah Palin, why would the woman be wearing a bikini like that? I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag. I'm fine with people making a message with a country's flag, and I even think people have the right to burn a flag in protest. But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think, even though I consider it a desecration of a flag in the same manner as burning a flag. I suppose it just confuses me more than it really bothers me.



Oh, that flag...sorry, I guess my attention was more focused on her fire power ('cause that's what we're calling it down here these days ) ...

Quote:

But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think...


She's protesting the high price of ammo!

But seriously - my honest, not-overly-examined feeling is that an individual's relationship to their flag should be treated about the same as their relationship to their god or higher power (if they have one): Nobody else's damn business.

Thanks, ByteMite!



donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:05 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


My wife made an interesting point,

Palin and those like her stand up all the time critical how people run there family's and their own moral outlook:

with that being the case maybe it is fair that their family's get some of the treatment they do ( Lettermans joke not withstanding )

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?




" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:11 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:



I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?





Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:22 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:



I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?





Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.



Actually I've heard it's a toss-up between "You betcha!" and "Keep Alaska Maverick-y!"



donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:24 AM

BYTEMITE


WASHnWear: Okay, that seems fair. And it's a good point about that printed fabric was cut, not an actual flag.

Ginobiffaroni: Unfortunately, Letterman's joke never made it to that higher message, focusing on Bristol's mistake and not the social ailments, mindsets, and policies that set her up to make that mistake.

Letterman taking the low road? Noooo, really?

But I agree that Sarah Palin's stance on abstinence only education has likely played some role in Bristol's pregnancy, and that is the discussion that REALLY needs to be had.

Granted, it's not likely that Bristol and her boyfriend had never heard about condoms or birth control outside of sex ed (but then again, who knows?). But probably at least as big a problem in teen pregnancy is the belief that using birthcontrol makes the act less satisfying, and romantic notions that a couple "connects" better on a physical and emotional level without it. That's more in line with the reasons I heard from my friends in highschool. None of them got pregnant thankfully, but I can see how those perceptions could lead to a lot of teen pregnancy.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:34 AM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:



I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?





Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.


The laughing Chrisisall



Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. To err is human, right? I can say all sorts of things about what my beliefs are and try to instill those beliefs into my kids. But in the end it's going to be the kids that make their own decisions. I'm not saying Bristol was evil for what she did. She made a decision to go against what she was probably taught. I know I did. My parents tried to tell me to wait until I was married, but I was a horny teenager with absolutely no self-control. When the opportunity presented itself . . .

So let's not jump all over Palin and call her a hypocrite and that she deserves the scorn of the left because she's not and she really doesn't deserve it. And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

*********************************************

"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:26 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.

There are two things wrong with this.

First of all, why is it okay if it is the 18 year old? The law says its okay for her to have consensual sex and you decide that means its okay to objectify her and disrespect her? I might be required to obey the law, but I don’t allow it to decide my morals or what I think is right or wrong. I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old. So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?

Second, what does hypocrisy have to do about your decision to find anything humorous about this?



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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:47 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:

Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_t
o_help.html


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"The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote

Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.



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And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.


I said Letterman was an idiot, didn't I?


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:51 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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So Kwicko there are a lot of people in this thread who deserve a "good job" from YOU, if we are to believe anything you have to say.



Well, obviously ChrisIsAll, SignyM (aka JKiddo), Rue, Gino, Citizen, and a host of others, and of course David Letterman himself deserve a "Good Job" from me. Did you have someone else in mind?

Should I say "Good Job!" to Sarah & Todd Palin for putting their 14-year-old daughter front & center so she could take the brunt of a tasteless joke aimed at someone else? Should I say "Good Job!" to them for saying they want to keep their kids off-limits, all while putting them out there at every opportunity - and then getting upset when anyone notices?

Should I say "Good Job!" to John McCain for making extremely tasteless jokes about Chelsea Clinton, or for telling ACTUAL rape jokes at Republican fundraisers? Should I say "Good Job!" to Sarah Palin for not bothering to bring it up when she chose to be his running mate? Should I say "Good Job!" to both of them for not having anything to say about their supporters calling Hillary a "bitch" (isn't that objectifying a woman, Finn? Or is it different when the woman's a Democrat?) or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?

How is it different, in your eyes, to objectify someone like Hillary or Obama, rather than doing it to an 18-year-old girl? And if McCain's rape joke wasn't bad enough for ya, would it have been worse if he'd have made it about a 12-year-old girl instead of a woman? If so, WHY? Why do you seem to think it's okay to joke about raping women, but not girls? You DO think it's okay, right? I mean, you supported ol' John, didn't you?

How are we ever to believe anything you say if you support rape jokes by Republicans, but are immensely offended by "rape jokes" told by - or in this case, NOT told by - comedians? Bit of a double standard there, isn't it?

Mike

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:56 AM

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I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old.

Old enough to vote, old enough to be trashed.
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So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?
Kids, like child-peeps, sometimes make bad decisions due to immaturity, peeps who have the right drive two-ton vehicles (for example) should be ready to take criticism for their bad decisions, IMO.
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Second, what does hypocrisy have to do about your decision to find anything humorous about this?


Don't have sex! + pregnant unwed daughter = humour fodder.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?


To be fair, Palin did not smile or otherwise applaud those shouts.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?


To be fair, Palin did not smile or otherwise applaud those shouts.


The laughing Chrisisall



Nor did she denounce those shouting such things. Nor did she ever apologize for the actions of her thuggish supporters, or try to distance herself from them and their radical rightist viewpoints.

Mike

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:23 AM

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If I remember right, the Secret Service found no evidence that this incident (the name calling at a McCain/Palin rally that got all the attention) even occured. So your point is moot.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:15 AM

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Careful there. That sounds like "the Secret Service found no evidence, so it didn't happen."

I myself am kind of torn in regards to whether government intelligence can't find their hands in front of their noses, and that's why they require all the bullshit privacy invading, or if they're just PRETENDING they can't for some agenda or another.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
If I remember right, the Secret Service found no evidence that this incident (the name calling at a McCain/Palin rally that got all the attention) even occured. So your point is moot.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_1
32366.html


I can clearly hear "Terrorist!" in this video where Palin attempts to paint Obama as a troop-hater.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:22 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.

There are two things wrong with this.

First of all, why is it okay if it is the 18 year old? The law says its okay for her to have consensual sex and you decide that means its okay to objectify her and disrespect her? I might be required to obey the law, but I don’t allow it to decide my morals or what I think is right or wrong. I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old. So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?



Hey, Finn, I'm sure you'll join every right-winger here in condemning Jongstraw for saying things like

Quote:


...does your 14-year old daughter want to be knocked-up by ARod, or even me per chance? What good sport!



After all, he's advocating rape of young girls, and in your mind, even if he were talking about 18-year-olds, it would be just as disgusting, right?

And clearly he's saying he likes fucking underage girls, so I'll be waiting for you and all your right-wing buddies to vilify him. Heck, you should probably call for him to be fired. WhoZit, I'm sure, will want Jongsy killed, just like he wanted Letterman dead.

Surely you'll want to put politics aside and tell me "good job!" for pointing out this kind of disgusting "humor" to you so you can denounce it, yes?

I'll wait. I won't hold my breath though.

Mike

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Nor did she ever apologize for the actions of her thuggish supporters

They weren't "thuggish", just...
enthusiastic...

& white...

living in trailers & mansions...


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:25 AM

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I won't hold my breath though.


Good. I enjoy your posts here.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:27 AM

RIPWASH


The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist". How about this report where McCain DEFENDS Obama?

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2194

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist".

Oh, you're right (mybad), but, er, isn't treason just about as strong a word?
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How about this report where McCain DEFENDS Obama?

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2194


Bully for him. I kinda liked him before he chose Palin anyway.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:35 AM

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It was perhaps a bit of a strong word to use.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Careful there. That sounds like "the Secret Service found no evidence, so it didn't happen."


I prefer that to "...found no evidence, so it must of happened."

Remember Bush's 1980 trip to Iran in back of an SR-71 to broker the deal to keep the hostages until after the election? Democrats cited the complete lack of evidence as reason to investigate.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:



I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?





Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.


The laughing Chrisisall



Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. To err is human, right? I can say all sorts of things about what my beliefs are and try to instill those beliefs into my kids. But in the end it's going to be the kids that make their own decisions. I'm not saying Bristol was evil for what she did. She made a decision to go against what she was probably taught. I know I did. My parents tried to tell me to wait until I was married, but I was a horny teenager with absolutely no self-control. When the opportunity presented itself . . .

So let's not jump all over Palin and call her a hypocrite and that she deserves the scorn of the left because she's not and she really doesn't deserve it. And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

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It was a big part of her campaign, for better or worse

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24573135-5000117,00.htm
l


and I'm not saying she is a hypocrite, just questioning the choices she made, the choices she'd have all of us make, and the consequences in either case.

I think that is perfectly fair, even if her family gets drawn into it, Lettermans joke was over the line and not even connected to this point, but I think a public figures past does have relevance particularly when that past goes to shaping public policys.



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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:49 AM

RIPWASH


This one's for Chris and Kwick . . .

Did Obama denounce THIS?

http://snarkfood.com/mccain-calls-obama-a-decent-man-obama-supporters-
call-palin-a-cunt
/

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
This one's for Chris and Kwick . . .

Did Obama denounce THIS?

http://snarkfood.com/mccain-calls-obama-a-decent-man-obama-supporters-
call-palin-a-cunt
/


Yeah, well, Obama wasn't there.
I remember McCain saying to his supporters who booed Obama's name that he was a decent man. That bought him many point with me.

And any chick that shoots mooses (meese-?) for fun from a helicopter IS a c**t, s-o-r-r-y.


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