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Friday, July 3, 2009 3:19 PM

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WASILLA, Alaska (AP) — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin surprised supporters Friday and announced she is resigning from office at the end of the month without explaining why she plans to step down — throwing into question whether she would seek a run for the White House in 2012.

The news rattles a Republican Party plagued with setbacks in recent weeks, including extramarital affairs disclosed by two other 2012 presidential prospects, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.

Palin hastily called a news conference Friday morning at her home in suburban Wasilla, giving such short notice that only a few reporters actually made it to the announcement. Security blocked late-arriving media outside her home, and her spokesman, Dave Murrow, finally emerged to confirm that Palin will step down July 26. He refused to give details about the governor's future plans.

The former Republican vice presidential candidate said she had been considering leaving office since she decided not to run for re-election.

"Many just accept that lame duck status, and they hit that road. They draw a paycheck. They kind of milk it. And I'm not going to put Alaskans through that," Palin said.

Palin spokesman David Murrow said the governor didn't say anything to him about this being her "political finale." Murrow said he interpreted Palin's comment about working outside government as reflecting her current job only.

"She's looking forward to serving the public outside the governor's chair," he said.

Political analyst Larry Sabato, in Charlottesville, Va., said Palin's announcement left many wondering what her plans were.

"It's absolutely bizarre, and I think it eliminates her from serious consideration for the presidency in 2012," he said.

Palin hinted that she had a bigger role in mind, saying she wanted to make a "positive change outside government." But she kept supporters in suspense, promising later Friday on Twitter: "We'll soon attach info on decision to not seek re-election ... this is in Alaska's best interest, my family's happy ... it is good. Stay tuned."

Jerry McBeath, a veteran political science professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, called the pending resignation a "smart move," both for Palin and the state.

"Alaska is an isolated stage from which to operate if you want to figure in American national politics. I don't know what she has in mind, some TV show or some national radio show. There are opportunities for her, I'm sure."

"After all, Rush Limbaugh is getting old, and cranky, and the airwaves and the videowaves would benefit form a new present. She certainly is photogenic, and that is her area of experience. So I would say it's a response to opportunity instead of 'getting out before they get you,'" he said.

As for the state, he said Palin's departure will reduce the distractions and return Alaska to normal politics.

Palin said her family weighed heavily in her decision.

"This decision has been in the works for a while. This decision comes after much consideration, prayer and consideration," she said. "Finally, I polled the most important people in my life, my kids, where the count was unanimous. Well, in response to asking, 'Hey, you want me to make a positive difference and fight for all our children's future from outside the governor's office?' It was four yeses and one 'Hell, yeah!" And the hell, yeah sealed it."

Palin's decision not to seek re-election was a familiar one for a potential presidential candidate. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney chose not to seek another term as he geared up for an unsuccessful 2008 presidential bid. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has announced he won't seek another term, giving him plenty of free time ahead of a potential 2012 bid.

And Alaska's remote location seemed prohibitive for her to visit key early states such as Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina. She would lose at least a day for travel on each trip, while her competitors could make day trips to Des Moines, Manchester or Columbia to drive news.

By exiting the governor's office early, she wouldn't be held back by her day job's duties or be drawn into state-level fights with national implications. But the early exit from the governorship also raised questions about how seriously she takes her job.

Palin emerged from relative obscurity nearly a year ago when she was tapped as then Republican presidential candidate John McCain's running mate.

She was a controversial figure from the start, with comedian Tina Fey famously imitating her elaborate hairstyle and folksy "You betcha!" on "Saturday Night Live."

She didn't leave the limelight once McCain lost the presidency. She recently led a public spat with "Late Show" host David Letterman over a joke he made about one of her daughters being "knocked up" by New York Yankees baseball player Alex Rodriguez during the governor's recent visit to New York. Palin's 18-year-old daughter, Bristol, is an unwed, teenage mother. Letterman later apologized for the joke.

Her 2008 running mate, Sen. John McCain, wouldn't be offering reaction on Friday, a spokeswoman said.

Palin also complained that her 14-month-old son, Trig, who was diagnosed with Down's syndrome, had been "mocked and ridiculed by some mean-spirited adults recently." She didn't elaborate.

Fred Malek, a Republican strategist who has advised Palin over the past year, said Palin was "really unhappy with the way her life was going."

"She felt that the pressures of the job combined with her family obligations and the demands and desires to help other Republican candidates led her to decide not to run again. Once that decision was made, she realized, why not do it now and let the lieutenant governor take over and get a head start on his election," Malek said.

The 2008 vice presidential nominee was seen as a likely presidential contender in 2012 and had proved formidable among the party's base. But the last week brought a highly critical piece in Vanity Fair magazine, with unnamed campaign aides questioning if she was ever really prepared for the presidency.

The backbiting continued through the week, with follow-up articles recounting the nasty infighting that plagued her failed bid. Her advisers sniped with other Republicans, underscoring the deeply divided GOP looking for its next standard bearer.

Palin's resignation announcement caught Republicans and Democrats alike by surprise, but it also suggested she had her eyes on another presidential run. She alluded to how she could help change the country and help military members — code that she didn't think her time on the national stage was over.

But the early exit from the governorship also raised questions about how serious she takes her job.

Palin's resignation, timed on the eve of the July 4 holiday when many Americans had already begun a three-day weekend, seemed designed to avoid publicity while openly leaving office.

Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will be inaugurated at the governor's picnic in Fairbanks at the end of the month.

Palin was first elected in 2006 on a populist platform. But her popularity has waned as she waged in partisan politics following her return from the presidential campaign. Her term would have ended in 2010.

Palin expressed frustration with her current role as governor.

"I cannot stand here as your governor and allow the millions of dollars and all that time go to waste just so I can hold the title of governor," Palin said.

Palin's decision even took Parnell by surprise. He said he was told on Wednesday evening, and was not aware that any presidential ambitions were behind the move.

Other recent GOP troubles include affairs by Ensign and Sanford. Ensign, a member of the Christian ministry Promise Keepers, stepped down from the Senate Republican leadership last month after admitting he had an affair for much of last year with a woman on his campaign staff who was married to one of his Senate aides. Ensign later disclosed he had helped the woman's husband get two jobs during the affair.

A government watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, wants the Senate ethics committee and the Federal Election Commission to investigate.

Just days after news of Ensign's affair broke, Sanford admitted an affair with a woman in Argentina. Some lawmakers are now calling for his resignation. Before the admission, Sanford had been missing from the state for five days visiting his lover. He had slipped his security detail, lied to his staff about where he was and failed to transfer power to the lieutenant governor in case of a state emergency.

The party's troubles seem to have left two prominent 2012 prospects, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and 2008 presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, unscathed, however.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press.





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Friday, July 3, 2009 4:19 PM

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Amerika loves quitters. That's what the Founding Fathers were, when they shot Chinese fireworks on the 4th of July and got arrested for DUI.


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Friday, July 3, 2009 5:21 PM

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She's not retreating, she advancing in the opposite direction.
LOL

Ya gotta love her.


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Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
She's not retreating, she advancing in the opposite direction.
LOL

Ya gotta love her.





In the words of our dearly departed Shepherd..."No, I don't."







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Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:51 AM

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Saturday, July 4, 2009 5:22 AM

CHRISISALL


You KNOW someone instructed her in the art of knowing how much she could never be president. I agree with the rumours that she thinks she's gonna be the next Rush Limbo.

Somewhere, a moose is laughing.


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Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Ya gotta love her.



GILF?

No mention that its her hubbie who's the real governor. Brilliant idea. No background check.

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Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Amerika loves quitters. That's what the Founding Fathers were, when they shot Chinese fireworks on the 4th of July and got arrested for DUI.




Fourth of July was cancelled this year in Tennessee, due to the economic Depression.

Taxpayer funded Chinese fireworks, that is. It's a crime to own fireworks here.

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Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:47 AM

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NeoCon Browncoats are too saddened by this to even talk about it.



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Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Looks like Dave Letterman is going to get the last laugh. In his monolog last night, he reported that Palin is resigning. Then he shrugged a bit, looked at the camera, smirked and said, "Is it something I said?"





Mike

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:49 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I agree with the rumours that she thinks she's gonna be the next Rush Limbo.


There are a lot of possibilities.

Since Rush's huge contract runs another five years...this isn't one of them. If she does media it will be a talk show or Fox News show like Mike Huckabee.

Is that really a bad move? Former Republican Congressman John Kasich, best known for crafting the Republican's economic policy that lead to the growth and surplus of the late 1990's, left Congress some years back (before the disasterous banking policy changes at the end of the Clinton administration). He went on to host 'From the Heartland with John Kasich' on FoxNews. Now he is the leading contender to be the next Governor of Ohio.

Then there is the Nixon example. "You wont have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore" became "I, Richard Nixon do solomnly swear" about six years later.

As Governor she was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees defending the fivilous charges leveled against her by liberal attack groups. This family was not wealthy, unlike most of America's political aristocracy. At the same time her administration had accomplished all of its goals and was being prevented by those same groups from going further.

This allows her to sell her book, go on the lecture circuit, and do a show...all of which gives her millions of income. Its unlikely she'll be able to mount a successful Presidential campaign. But she could still serve very well as symbolic party standard bearer for a few years. That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012 or perhaps she could challenge Alaska's Democratic Senator when he's up for reelection in five years (which would give her a platform for a 2016 Presidential run).

Edited to add: I note for the record, she's actually done this before. Its a proven strategy that took her from an adminstrative position to the Governor's office. In 2002, she lost the Lt. Governor's election. She resigned from the Alaska Oil and Natural Gas Conservation Commission in 2004 and was elected Governor in 2006 beating the incumbent Governor she lost to in 2002. Perhaps there's more to this then most folks think.

H

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 5:58 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012.



You mean the Kitchen Cabinet, barefoot and pregnant with grandbabies.

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 6:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:

Is that really a bad move? Former Republican Congressman John Kasich, best known for crafting the Republican's economic policy that lead to the growth and surplus of the late 1990's...



In Reagan's own words, "Well... there you go again." OF COURSE all of the good that happened under Clinton's leadership was all due to "trickle-down" from the Reagan years. Just as any BAD that happened during the Clinton era was completely the result of his own policies...

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...left Congress some years back (before the disasterous banking policy changes at the end of the Clinton administration).



You mean the banking changes that were tacked on at midnight on December 20th by Phil Gramm? Those banking changes? The ones that included the infamous "Enron Loophole"?

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He went on to host 'From the Heartland with John Kasich' on FoxNews. Now he is the leading contender to be the next Governor of Ohio.


Never heard of him.

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Then there is the Nixon example. "You wont have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore" became "I, Richard Nixon do solomnly swear" about six years later.



Boy, look how wonderfully THAT turned out for the nation! If that's the whole Palin strategy - she's hoping to "pull a Nixon" - then fates help us all.

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As Governor she was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees defending the fivilous charges leveled against her by liberal attack groups.



"Fivilous"? If you mean "frivolous", then that's cute. And when you say "liberal attack groups", do you mean liberal attack groups like Zane Henning, the conservative government watchdog who filed an ethics complaint alleging that Palin billed the state for her per diem while living at her house, and pocketed the cash? THAT "liberal attack group? Is that who you mean?

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This family was not wealthy, unlike most of America's political aristocracy. At the same time her administration had accomplished all of its goals and was being prevented by those same groups from going further.



Can you name some of those goals? I know one of her "goals" was vetoing economic stimulus money - a veto which according to sources has a 100% chance of being over-ridden.

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This allows her to sell her book, go on the lecture circuit, and do a show...all of which gives her millions of income. Its unlikely she'll be able to mount a successful Presidential campaign. But she could still serve very well as symbolic party standard bearer for a few years.



Standard bearer? What's the standard? "When the going gets tough, the tough... QUIT?" Is that the standard the GOP wants to run under?

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That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012 or perhaps she could challenge Alaska's Democratic Senator when he's up for reelection in five years (which would give her a platform for a 2016 Presidential run).



If she doesn't quit and throw a hissy-fit first, that is...

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I note for the record, she's actually done this before. Its a proven strategy that took her from an adminstrative position to the Governor's office.


Yes, apparently Alaskans, for all their "tough-guy and -gal" image, really love a quitter. It's probably why so many of them, including Palin's husband, embrace secession. There's something about quitting that makes them feel like real "fighters" who "love a challenge".

Mike

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:12 AM

RIPWASH


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"Fivilous"? If you mean "frivolous", then that's cute. And when you say "liberal attack groups", do you mean liberal attack groups like Zane Henning, the conservative government watchdog who filed an ethics complaint alleging that Palin billed the state for her per diem while living at her house, and pocketed the cash? THAT "liberal attack group? Is that who you mean?



Okay, Mr. Smartypants. I looked this one up and found this:
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html

And I'll highlight this little nugget for ya:
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"Last fall we raised questions about longstanding practices within the Department of Administration regarding tax treatment of per diem payments," Kreitzer wrote in an exchange of e-mails over the past few days with the Daily News.

"At the Governor's request, we reviewed the situation to determine whether we were in full compliance with the pertinent Internal Revenue Service regulations," Kreitzer wrote. "As a result of this review, we determined that per diem needs to be treated as income, requiring a revision of W-2 forms for any affected employees."


So tell me . . . if it's such a big, secretive deal as you imply . . . why would SHE request for it to be looked into to make sure it's being handled correctly? Hmmmmmm??? Sounds to me like she's been pretty upfront about it.

This guy's first lawsuit was thrown out and so will this one, more than likely. So tell me . . . frivolous or not? And who has to pay for the legal fees to get it cleared up. Surely not this guy, but Palin. And if people like him are going to keep making up these charges against her, then how much more can she actually accomplish with the time she has left?

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Standard bearer? What's the standard? "When the going gets tough, the tough... QUIT?" Is that the standard the GOP wants to run under?


THIS I find more than a little humorous. You folks have been saying that she's bringing all of the attacks on herself and her family by putting everyone out in the public eye. Now that she's stepping down and one of the reasons is just that - to take them out of the public eye and thus away from the constant personal attacks - you guys STILL laugh and call her names. Personally, I don't really know that I agree with her decision, but I'm okay with it (not that my opinion really matters). I respect it. Especially if she's keeping her family's wellfare in mind. But if she wants to go back to private life, she needs to back away from interviews for a little bit. THAT much I will agree with you on.



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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?


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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:41 AM

RIPWASH


Nope. But then again, family members from other countries haven't said they were present at her birth . . . IN those other countries.

I tell ya, if his family would just watch what they say a little more closely . . . heck, even KENYA needs to be more careful ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82060) . . . then that wouldn't be such a huge issue.

Knowhudimean, Vern?

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:45 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Hero:

Is that really a bad move? Former Republican Congressman John Kasich, best known for crafting the Republican's economic policy that lead to the growth and surplus of the late 1990's...



In Reagan's own words, "Well... there you go again." OF COURSE all of the good that happened under Clinton's leadership was all due to "trickle-down" from the Reagan years. Just as any BAD that happened during the Clinton era was completely the result of his own policies...


Your mixing decades. Kasich made his way into the leadership during the 1994 Republican revolution. He was the guy that sat down and crafted the economic policies that forced Clinton into a tax-cutting, budget-balancing program in 1995-1999.

BTW, I like Kasich, he'll make a great governor...but his show sucked. Huck's is better, but clearly neither of them were made for such a format. At least Huck's got good music.
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He went on to host 'From the Heartland with John Kasich' on FoxNews. Now he is the leading contender to be the next Governor of Ohio.


Never heard of him.


Why would you? His show was on Saturday nights. In Congress he was part of the Republican Committee leadership...I can't name more then two Committee Chairpersons in the House and I pay attention. Hmmm...Rangel, Frank, and the dude on trial?
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Then there is the Nixon example. "You wont have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore" became "I, Richard Nixon do solomnly swear" about six years later.



Boy, look how wonderfully THAT turned out for the nation! If that's the whole Palin strategy - she's hoping to "pull a Nixon" - then fates help us all.


Would you prefer a Kennedy example? I can think of two. How about Marion Barry? He left politics for a while, then came back, now he's leaving again.

The point is leaving office, even under a cloud, is not always fatal to a career.
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As Governor she was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees defending the fivilous charges leveled against her by liberal attack groups.



"Fivilous"? If you mean "frivolous", then that's cute.


I say frivilous because they have ALL been found to be without merit. Somebody saw a logo on her jacket, filed an ethics complaint that cost the state money to investigate and Palin money to defend...one of hundreds of examples all since August of 2008...hmmm...August of last year...why does that seem familiar? Oh...thats when the Left decided to destroy her and her family.
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This family was not wealthy, unlike most of America's political aristocracy. At the same time her administration had accomplished all of its goals and was being prevented by those same groups from going further.



Can you name some of those goals?


Yes, but I'll refer you to her statement since she did a better job of it. She ran on a platform and accomplished every promise she made.
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This allows her to sell her book, go on the lecture circuit, and do a show...all of which gives her millions of income. Its unlikely she'll be able to mount a successful Presidential campaign. But she could still serve very well as symbolic party standard bearer for a few years.



Standard bearer? What's the standard? "When the going gets tough, the tough... QUIT?" Is that the standard the GOP wants to run under?


She could speak about that, I'd like to hear her explain it and her concept of teamwork. Nice basketball analogy she used in her speech.

Or she could talk about values, life, energy policy, fiscal responsibility, elimination of govt corruption on both sides, education, fishing, moose hunting, special needs kids, enviromental policy, the weather, ice hockey, David Letterman, loving the military, faith, family, strong defense, the war on terror...really just about anything cause unlike most Republicans, she can fill arenas and lecture halls and talk Republicanism. That's what a standard bearer does.

As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.
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That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012 or perhaps she could challenge Alaska's Democratic Senator when he's up for reelection in five years (which would give her a platform for a 2016 Presidential run).



If she doesn't quit and throw a hissy-fit first, that is...


That's true of everyone. Can't think of a woman OR man we'd want having a hissy fit and quiting the cabnet (Al Haig taught us that).
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I note for the record, she's actually done this before. Its a proven strategy that took her from an adminstrative position to the Governor's office.


Yes, apparently Alaskans, for all their "tough-guy and -gal" image, really love a quitter. It's probably why so many of them, including Palin's husband, embrace secession. There's something about quitting that makes them feel like real "fighters" who "love a challenge".


I don't know if its quiting or not. She's still pursuing her goals. Seems more like strategy to me.

She made her gains in Alaska, if her best use in reaching the goals is elsewhere and it does not jeapordize the ground she's already taken, why not try a different tactic, maybe an end run (like Patton in France).

Don't know if it will work, time will tell.

H

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:56 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?


Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows.

I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair.

H

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.



She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?!

Mike

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I say frivilous because they have ALL been found to be without merit.



ALL? I thought she was found to have acted improperly in firing the guy who wouldn't fire her ex brother-in-law.

By the way, how much did it cost O.J. to "prove" that the murder charges were "without merit"? I mean, wasn't that just the cops trying to destroy his life?



Mike

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

There's something about quitting that makes them feel like real "fighters" who "love a challenge".


Don't be so hard on Hero's fantasy girl.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:27 PM

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He's hard enough on her himself.

OK - I can't believe I just typed that.

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?


Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows.

I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair.

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Okay, were there actually any people claiming that Bristol was really Willow's mother, or are you just typing out your ass?


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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:31 PM

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He's hard enough on her himself.

OK - I can't believe I just typed that.

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HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!

I kinda can't believe you just typed that, either.

Good to see you around, just the same.

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:32 PM

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:36 PM

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I'm sure Palin's rumored book will be a bestseller. What would make it a HUGE bestseller would be if they only released it as an audiobook, with her reading it. Or have her and Dubya share the reading-out-loud duties!

Hell, *I* would buy THAT book, just for the comedic value!

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:47 PM

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Would you prefer a Kennedy example? I can think of two.



So you're saying she's going to be assassinated?

Wow, you're even harder on quitters than I thought!

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 1:02 PM

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RUE:

Touche, dudette.

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:24 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?


Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows.

I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.



Okay, were there actually any people claiming that Bristol was really Willow's mother, or are you just typing out your ass?




I think Hero's referring to the fervor on the Left when Bristol was seen holding her BABY BROTHER and the Left ASSUMED it was her first child and she was pregnant with her second. The Left-wing blogs had a field day with that little bit of non-truth.

Or are you just having a brain fart?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:30 AM

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As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.



She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?!

Mike

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I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one.

Curious, that.

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 3:54 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?


Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows.

I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.



Okay, were there actually any people claiming that Bristol was really Willow's mother, or are you just typing out your ass?




I think Hero's referring to the fervor on the Left when Bristol was seen holding her BABY BROTHER and the Left ASSUMED it was her first child and she was pregnant with her second. The Left-wing blogs had a field day with that little bit of non-truth.

Or are you just having a brain fart?

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Sorry - I tend to be *a little* to the left myself, and I don't recall anyone seriously making that claim. I guess when you say "the fervor on the left", you're putting PirateNews and his ilk firmly in the "biased liberal left-wing mainstream media" camp, eh?

I never did hear any talk shows making fun of Bristol for being Trig's or Trak's or Tron's mother. I heard them making fun of the baby's MOTHER, but that would be Sarah Palin, wouldn't it? Aren't YOU having a brainfart trying to connect the two?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:00 AM

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I just remember there was a flury of assumptions on left-wing blogs (meant "blogs", not the actual LWM - sorry for the confusion there) when Bristol was shown holding her baby brother. It was assumed that was HER baby and she was pregnant with a second baby.

I mean . . . I clearly remember hearing THAT reported. The flurry on the blogs, at least.

**EDIT** Oh and I don't know WHAT I'd classify PN as . . . He's a bit too whacky for either side to take seriously, dontcha think?
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Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:03 AM

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As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.



She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?!

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I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one.

Curious, that.

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And I think YOU missed entirely that one generally doesn't quit their current job in such a situation until and unless they win the election of the job they're trying to move up to.

Curious, that. Did you make that omission on purpose, or do you really not see the difference?

Obama quit his two previous jobs AFTER being elected to higher office. He DIDN'T quit those jobs and walk out after losing elections. See, in politics - and Senator McCain, will back me up on this, I'm sure, as will former President Bush - you keep your day job while running for higher office, and if you win that higher office, THEN you leave your day job.

And Palin's complaint that she's quitting because she's a lame duck doesn't fly, either. By that rationale, Bush should have quit the day after the election in 2004, since he was a lame duck at that point. Furthermore, Palin was only a lame duck because she made herself one! SHE was the one who leaked the news that she wasn't going to run for reelection, and now she wants us to go along with her not wanting to do the job she was elected to do.

As for her not being able to do the job with all the press around, why didn't she quit back in August of 2008, then?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:14 AM

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As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.



She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?!

Mike

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I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one.

Curious, that.

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And I think YOU missed entirely that one generally doesn't quit their current job in such a situation until and unless they win the election of the job they're trying to move up to.

Curious, that. Did you make that omission on purpose, or do you really not see the difference?

Obama quit his two previous jobs AFTER being elected to higher office. He DIDN'T quit those jobs and walk out after losing elections. See, in politics - and Senator McCain, will back me up on this, I'm sure, as will former President Bush - you keep your day job while running for higher office, and if you win that higher office, THEN you leave your day job.

And Palin's complaint that she's quitting because she's a lame duck doesn't fly, either. By that rationale, Bush should have quit the day after the election in 2004, since he was a lame duck at that point. Furthermore, Palin was only a lame duck because she made herself one! SHE was the one who leaked the news that she wasn't going to run for reelection, and now she wants us to go along with her not wanting to do the job she was elected to do.

As for her not being able to do the job with all the press around, why didn't she quit back in August of 2008, then?

Mike

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? I mean . . . other than just voting "Present." That's almost worse than quitting, if you ask me. It's running for an office on certain promises, doing the job for just a little while then ignoring those promises and your constituents to do something else entirely. It almost shows that he wasn't really thinking of public service, but serving his own interests.

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:07 AM

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SHE'S LYING

And while Palin described the complaints as the work of Democratic political operatives and east coast media types looking for dirt, all but one of them were filed by her constituents in Alaska. That one exception was a complaint by a DC watchdog group about her $150,000 clothing gift from RNC. It was ultimately dismissed, but it dealt with an unclear area of campaign-finance law.

The rest of the complaints were all filed by Alaskans. Four of the complaints were filed by a Republican former ally of Palin's, Andree McLeod, who turned on her because she felt Palin was cutting ethical corners, hiring cronies and using a private email account to conduct public business outside the realm of public records. Many of the complaints predated her vice presidential nomination. And at least one of the complaints was clearly justified; Palin had to pay back about $8,000 in travel expenses for her children. Another is still pending: A seemingly reasonable complaint about Palin charging the state per diem when she's living in her own house in Wasilla rather than the governor's mansion.

So the complaints didn't cost Alaska "millions," they weren't filed by outside Democratic operatives, and most of them weren't frivolous. Is Sarah Palin going to keep telling these lies on her self-pity tour? And why is so much of the media letting her get away with it?



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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:15 AM

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Another is still pending: A seemingly reasonable complaint about Palin charging the state per diem when she's living in her own house in Wasilla rather than the governor's mansion.



This just goes to show, Rue, that you're either not reading the entire thread or not bothering to click on the link I provided above which clearly shows that the issue was already looked into LAST YEAR by the state at the request of Palin herself. It was found that she owes taxes on that money, nothing else. So for this guy to be filing a suit about it SIX MONTHS after the state already investigated it is, indeed, frivolous.

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:23 AM

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?



By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign?

Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:25 AM

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?



By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign?

Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?



And that arguement wouldn't hold true for Obama WHY exactly? Shouldn't he have quit his previous position the very same moment he announced his intentions to run for the higher office?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:29 AM

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"It was found that she owes taxes on that money, nothing else."

Not true. There is the question of whether the per diem payments should have been made at all (a separate question from the question about their tax-status).

And - uhm, I and probably everyone else who is non-partisan and fair-minded - noticed you had nothing to say about her OTHER numerous LIES.

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I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one.
HUH??????


Anyway, Palin is just having a hissy-fit. Blaming "the media" for her difficulties is SOP ... which doesn't bear the slightest semblance to reality, as she has in fact been OUT of the national spotlight since her failed Vice Presidential bid. The FBI is NOT holding a politically-motivated witch-hunt since they are not investigating her at all. And as Rue pointed out, most of the complaints filed against her are by Alaskans... Republican Alaskans at that. And most of the criticism about her quitting is coming from Republicans too.
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... the familiar outlines were all in place and the pity party hummed in high gear: the unhinged liberal media had it in for Palin and wanted to drive her off the national stage. Liberals were smearing her. But then a funny thing happened -- scores of conservative commentators broke ranks with the "liberal media" brigade and decided Palin's political problems were of her own making.

In other words, the beloved liberal media meme completely fractured under the weight of the Palin story. The front-line, knee-jerk troops were ready and eager to lob the ever-ready accusations, but it turned out that lots of Noise Machine generals weren't buying it, and instead of blaming the liberal media for Palin's disastrous weekend showing, they blamed ... Palin.

Shocking, I know. But the maneuver left the right-wing foot soldiers completely exposed. For instance, Brent Bozell's NewsBusters whined that biased reporters on ABC, CBS, and NBC had called Palin's Friday press conference "bizarre." But as Media Matters' Jamison Foser asked, what other adjective could journalists have possibly used? "Bizarre" perfectly captured the jaw-dropping media event staged on the banks of Alaska's Lake Lucille in Wasilla. And sure enough, "bizarre" was the exact word conservative Times columnist Ross Douthat used to describe Palin's presser: But last Friday's bizarre, rambling resignation speech should take her off the political map for the duration of the Obama era.

... a pass {was given to} to conservative Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer for calling Palin's move "erratic" and "delusional," and to Karl Rove for admitting to being "perplexed" by Palin's unorthodox "no más" move. And that wasn't the half of it from the conservative chorus:

"Giving up on an executive job a year and a half early isn't the best way to persuade voters you're ready for the more demanding rigors and scrutiny of the White House. ... Some Alaskans, including many of her admirers, can be forgiven if they conclude she bugged out when the going got rough." editorial, The Wall Street Journal; 07/07/2009

"If this is geared for her run for the presidency in 2012, it is one of the most politically tone deaf decisions that we've seen." GOP consultant Stuart Roy, ABCNews.com; 07/05/2009

"She dashed her chances of winning the 2012 nomination. ... Forget about Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012 and probably ever." Fred Barnes column, The Weekly Standard; 07/05/2009



Sarah Palin is positioning herself as candidate of the newest incarnation of the KNOW NOTHING PARTY. This kind of move would rally the irrational, ignorant, knee-jerkers who constitute about 25% of the American population.

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And - uhm, I and probably everyone else who is non-partisan and fair-minded - noticed you had nothing to say about her OTHER numerous LIES.




You CAN'T be serious? YOU!?!? NON-PARTISAN!?!?!? Give up this game, Rue. Last time you and I went around on this very subject, I layed my cards out clearly on the table while you refused to play the game YOU instigated. So please . . . get over yourself. It's getting tiresome. And the fact that you pop your head in here every now and then and cry "partisanship!" while obviously ignoring your own is a joke. Ever since you and Sig decided to become not as active you have both clearly become a bit more tetchy.

I commented on what I wanted to comment on. No more, no less. And it was basically what was brought up by Kwicko. If I ignored something, then so what? He didn't make a big deal out of it (again, 'cause we have an amicable relationship). So how is that ignoring other "numerous lies" when those other lies weren't part of the discussion? The article from the Alaskan newspaper says nothing that I can recall about the state having any problems with the per diem charges. That's standard proceedure from what I can tell, they just had issues about it being taxable income. Again, this was all addressed by a request brought about from Palin.





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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?



By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign?

Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?



And that arguement wouldn't hold true for Obama WHY exactly? Shouldn't he have quit his previous position the very same moment he announced his intentions to run for the higher office?




No, I'm just saying. You use Obama's "quitting" as a counter-example to Palin's, yet you ignore that she essentially did the same thing there.

Either you condemn her campaigning in the first place, or you have to stop condemning Obama on that account.

Would you not have condemned Obama for quitting his Senate seat prematurely if it had been for the same reasons Palin cites? Honestly?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:27 AM

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I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? I mean . . . other than just voting "Present." That's almost worse than quitting, if you ask me. It's running for an office on certain promises, doing the job for just a little while then ignoring those promises and your constituents to do something else entirely. It almost shows that he wasn't really thinking of public service, but serving his own interests.



You DO realize that what you say Obama did, is EXACTLY what Palin is now doing, only without the benefit of her actually WINNING any higher office.

Let's look at your post, and substitute her for Obama:

"She ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think she was actually accomplishing in her "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? I mean . . . other than just saying "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks, don'tcha know!" [which is a lie, because she most certainly DID NOT tell Congress any such thing!] That's almost worse than quitting, if you ask me. [It isn't "ALMOST" worse in her case, because she actually DID quit - and not to go serve in a higher capacity in public office.] It's running for an office on certain promises, doing the job for just a little while then ignoring those promises and your constituents to do something else entirely. It almost shows that she wasn't really thinking of public service, but serving her own interests."

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.


WHY? Because the Constitution spells out that you can't hold two elected federal offices at the same time. Constitutionally speaking, if you win a higher (or just an other) office, you HAVE TO resign before taking the oath, or you're in breach of the law. Again I ask: What higher public office did Palin win, that she had to resign her governorship for? Did she not run on certain promises, and then reneg and break those promises for no better reason than "just because"?

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One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.


First, I applaud your casting of "sour grapes" on the Presidency of the United States - a position which you've fervently hoped that Sarah Palin would one day achieve herself. Now you call it "supposedly" bigger and better. That's cute.

"Overly harrassing behavior"? WHAT?! If you REALLY, honestly and firmly believe that, then you will of course agree wholeheartedly that Sarah Palin SHOULD NEVER AND COULD NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT or VICE PRESIDENT. I mean, seriously, have you SEEN or HEARD the way the Prez and VP get treated in this country? If she's not up for a little light-hearted ribbing, she'll never make it.

Does she plan on touring the country giving speeches? If so, will she be carrying her own cross? I know she likes to jump up on it every chance she gets. SHE is the one who trotted her kids out as props in the mad parade of politics. Let's hold her to her words: She says she doesn't want her family in the spotlight anymore; let's see how long she tries to keep them out of the spotlight before she starts pimping them out again.

Get down off your cross, Sarah; We need the lumber!

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?



By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign?

Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?



And that arguement wouldn't hold true for Obama WHY exactly? Shouldn't he have quit his previous position the very same moment he announced his intentions to run for the higher office?

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See, now you're getting into a whole different area. SHOULD a potential candidate quit his or her job before becoming a candidate? Quite possibly. But where do you draw the line? Should George H.W. Bush have quit as VP before campaigning for the Presidency? Should Dick Cheney have had to quit Halliburton for some number of months before joining the Dubya Administration? If you're a current Senator and are picked to be Secretary of State, do you have to refuse the job because you're currently holding one? Should Dubya have even been allowed to run, seeing as he was less than halfway through his term as governor of Texas at the time?

And why stop at public office? Should YOU be allowed to apply for or interview for a higher-paying job with mroe responsibilities while you still HAVE a job? I mean, are you honestly arguing that you either have to take the job you're given and stick with it, or risk everything by quitting before you even announce that you're seeking a better job higher up the food chain?



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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:41 AM

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Seriously. I wonder if you guys even fully READ my posts sometimes

#1 I said I didn't understand why she quite or necessarily agreed with it.

#2 It was my intention to say he SHOULD have quit one office when he announced his intention to run for the other because that makes that a time of "limbo". IMHO, there's very little that can be done effectively in the office he was holding if he was out campaigning for the other office. Does that hold true for Palin? Probably so. I can't honestly hold it to one and not the other. Happy now?

#3 My "supposedly" was implying that the "bigger and better" was not a sure thing. His election TO the "bigger and better" was not certain.

#4 I said "what SHE felt to be overly harrassing behavior." Just a statement of opinion, not fact. I really have no idea how, what, where or when these attacks are coming from or how often.

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Does she plan on touring the country giving speeches? If so, will she be carrying her own cross? I know she likes to jump up on it every chance she gets. SHE is the one who trotted her kids out as props in the mad parade of politics. Let's hold her to her words: She says she doesn't want her family in the spotlight anymore; let's see how long she tries to keep them out of the spotlight before she starts pimping them out again.


That much we agree on. If she wants to stay out of the spotlight, then by all means stay out. But I also won't begrudge her return if she so choses.


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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:44 AM

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And as Rue pointed out, most of the complaints filed against her are by Alaskans... Republican Alaskans at that. And most of the criticism about her quitting is coming from Republicans too.


Which makes it even more hilarious, because if it were PALIN doing this to other Republicans, she'd be viewed as a "maverick" for not going along with the good ol' boys club. Isn't she the one who ratted out fellow Republicans and then walked out of her previous job because of THEIR lax ethics? Tell me, wasn't she being "frivolous" in doing so?

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:52 AM

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At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.

One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.

I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?



By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign?

Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?



And that arguement wouldn't hold true for Obama WHY exactly? Shouldn't he have quit his previous position the very same moment he announced his intentions to run for the higher office?

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See, now you're getting into a whole different area. SHOULD a potential candidate quit his or her job before becoming a candidate? Quite possibly. But where do you draw the line? Should George H.W. Bush have quit as VP before campaigning for the Presidency? Should Dick Cheney have had to quit Halliburton for some number of months before joining the Dubya Administration? If you're a current Senator and are picked to be Secretary of State, do you have to refuse the job because you're currently holding one? Should Dubya have even been allowed to run, seeing as he was less than halfway through his term as governor of Texas at the time?

And why stop at public office? Should YOU be allowed to apply for or interview for a higher-paying job with mroe responsibilities while you still HAVE a job? I mean, are you honestly arguing that you either have to take the job you're given and stick with it, or risk everything by quitting before you even announce that you're seeking a better job higher up the food chain?



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Ya see all the gray areas we can get into? Huh?

All very valid points and I don't disagree with any particular one.

I mean, didn't John Edwards risk everything to run for VP? He didn't run TWO campaigns to try and keep his then-current Senate seat, in hopes of becoming Vice President. If he HADN'T run for VP he surely would have campaigned to keep his Senate seat.

Perhaps in the public sector, a policy of selecting an "interim" person to hold the office and perform those duties while the other is campaigning? Would that make sense?



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Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:34 AM

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Seriously. I wonder if you guys even fully READ my posts sometimes



Seriously. I wonder if YOU even fully read your posts sometimes.

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#1 I said I didn't understand why she quit or necessarily agreed with it.



But then went into all sorts of rhetorical contortions trying to explain and defend it.

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#2 It was my intention to say he SHOULD have quit one office when he announced his intention to run for the other because that makes that a time of "limbo". IMHO, there's very little that can be done effectively in the office he was holding if he was out campaigning for the other office. Does that hold true for Palin? Probably so. I can't honestly hold it to one and not the other. Happy now?



Actually, I think if you'll look back at the Congressional record, you'll see lots of names you recognize attached to bills in election years. Why? Two reasons: One, they want to get their names on "important" bills to be seen "doing something", and two, once they're a
"known" figure on the national scene, OTHER politicians start lining up begging them to put their name and lustre on certain pieces of legislation, thereby lending those bills a certain gravitas or legitimacy. So in that regard, a candidate for major office is MORE effective in their currently-held lower office than someone who is just trying to keep their head down and grind out the job.

Now, that said, do you suppose Alaskan Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell is going to run for a full term after finishing out Sarah's forshortened first term? And if he does, shouldn't he resign right now and try to campaign for the job on his own merits, rather than try to campaign for the job while ignoring the job?

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#3 My "supposedly" was implying that the "bigger and better" was not a sure thing. His election TO the "bigger and better" was not certain.



Gotcha - I read it differently. Apologies.

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If she wants to stay out of the spotlight, then by all means stay out. But I also won't begrudge her return if she so choses.



If she wants to stay out of the spotlight, and keep her kids out of it, more power to her. But she doesn't get to pick and choose WHEN she gets to use her kids as props.

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:50 AM

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I've gone out of my way to criticize Obama and Clinton (both of them).

When have you ever criticized --- oh, let's take Palin as an example ? Or McCain ? Other than a tepid - well, you know, s/he wasn't my favorite ...

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:50 AM

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But then went into all sorts of rhetorical contortions trying to explain and defend it.
Did I? I just remember (and re-read the thread, mind you) that I was throwing some barbs at Obama as a comparison. Rhetoric? Sho thang, brotha! As you would say, "Just some things to ponder." Eh?

Ah well. If I contort, then call me a pretzel.

Not to open a whole new can o' worms, but I don't know if I agree that she used her kids as props. Trig, maybe because of his having Downs Syndrome. And Bristol's situation kinda demanded attention, I won't argue with ya there, but I don't know if she used Bristol as a prop.

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