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Out2Lunch Backs Down, Admits the 'Birfers' are Complete Nutjobs!

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?
Obama has a valid USA passport. He has met whatever burden of proof they require, which includes a birth certificate or naturalization papers. Sounds fine with me. If you want to hold him to a HIGHER standard of proof, have at it. Keep it up! I'm sure you'll find the answer.


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:17 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah. I haven't liked what I've been seeing with the government for maybe ten years now. Before then, I was too young to pay attention, and hadn't read what I have now.

So I'm pretty new at this resist the government civil dissent stuff. From what I've observed, seems like the best thing I can do is stay informed and don't take anything for granted, because you can get lied to. And to not dismiss a concern about the government that the people around you consider paranoia, because better safe than sorry.

The more I know, the more I can use that knowledge. Don't know how to shoot a gun, don't really want to learn, so that's my contribution to making things better.




Good on you for being attentive and inquisitive...

Necessity is the mother of invention...Well , it's a mother , anyway...


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:18 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?
Obama has a valid USA passport. He has met whatever burden of proof they require, which includes a birth certificate or naturalization papers. Sounds fine with me. If you want to hold him to a HIGHER standard of proof, have at it. Keep it up! I'm sure you'll find the answer.




Thanks for clearing that up , Mother Superior !

Now we know what he's missing !

Usurper hasn't had his SHOTS !

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:23 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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The SickyNym/Ruetard Attack Squad Axis is back in action , performing their reflexive ad hominem attacks , ad nauseum...The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office..
Did I attack YOU, Out2Nowhere? My post, you sh^tstick, was not a personal attack. And Rue's was an EXAMPLE of of WHY the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Something about presumed innocent... a concept you seem to have a serious problem with. (As you do with a lot of concepts, apparently. One of them being polite conversation.) Are you such a moron that you didn't get that point?

So, if you really thought my previous post was ad hominem, I thought I'd give you one, you friggin' retard.

Obama has a valid USA passport. Go f*ck yourself, if you can figure out which end is which.



Business as usual , here in RWED...

Bend over , SickyNym , you have to take your shots...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:25 PM

BYTEMITE


And really, questioning Barack Obama's legitimacy is a fine thing to do, you have that right, and if there's any question of it, it would need to be done.

I myself am not convinced, to be honest, and just don't think proving or disproving his legitimacy is any help to the things I'm worried about, like mandates on health care, and invasion of privacy, and the "for your own good/the good of the public" thinking that dominates the government and lets monsters through the loopholes.

But you guys think this is a concern, it's not my place to cut you down or discourage you. Sorry if I've come across that way. Don't think I have any more to say on this, but I'll keep reading, it's interesting.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


OTB --- just keep at it !

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"But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO ..."

Really ? REALLY ??

Well then, for the record, you're a child rapist and a drug dealer who pimps out your own daughter - and BTW - the burden of proof is on you to show us all you're not.

Because WHY ? Well, because I said so !

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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PN posted some examples of non-native presidents causing bad issues in other nations...



Actually, he didn't. He alluded to such things happening, but didn't provide any real, factual examples.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?



You haven't proven them false. Remember, the burden's on you, according to you.

Mike

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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Any moment now , Squicko and ShittiZen will no doubt join the dogpile , and start flinging go se , correct ?



Honestly, OutOfYourHead, the only ones flinging shit here are you and PirateJew.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Show your CITES , attack-drone Squicko !



The U.S. Constitution.

Can you show YOUR "cites"? Can you show me, specifically, the exact part of the Constitution you're speaking of when you say that both parents must be citizens able to confer citizenship?

Mike

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Logic: Not Out2Lunch's strong point.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Logic: Not Out2Lunch's strong point.



Sheesh... no kidding.



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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Out2Lunch- Just gonna finish up with you here on one point: I'll be happy to discuss with you IF YOU STOP BEING SO FRIGGIN' INSULTING. Been civil to you up to now, but it seems like you can't stop yourself from going into attack-dog mode whenever you see my sign-on. So don't be surprised if you attack me (again!) and I call you a c%nt or some other perjorative term in response. And don't complain about it either 'cause you've been warned.


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:30 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?"

Oh - that's right. You reputation has been ruined and you've suffered financial damages and emotional distress because of what was posted (by way of illustration, I may add) on an ANONYMOUS website !


Meanwhile, maybe the DoJ should be looking at YOU because frankly, you've said sh^t about an actual, and more importantly, identifiable person.

Good luck with that.




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Silence is consent.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:12 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


American women have more balls than the men. Must be those antiandrogens in the water bottles.





Obama used 39 Social Security numbers:
www.yannone.org/audio/OrlyTaitzJDHayworth071509.mp3

This is now a daily news item on major TV netoworks.



Lou Dobbs covered Obama's lack of birth certificate tonight, again.
youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+birth+certificate+lou+dobbs&search_type=&aq=f

Even the sharks are smelling blood...

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:48 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


' "...No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the Office of President.

--United States Constitution, article II


Despite its. apparent simplicity, the natural-born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.

It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.

It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." '

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:07 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Says here , the burden of proof is on Obama , et al :

'Tuesday, July 21, 2009 posted by admin

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder Refuses to Prosecute President Obama


Berg files Response and Requests a Hearing to denial of “Conflict-of-Interest” by A.G.Eric Holder

Under False Claims Act whereby Obama was accused of Defrauding the U.S. Treasury by Illegally being a U.S. Senator from Illinois
as Obama is an Illegal Alien, not a U.S. Citizen

Eric Holder Violated the Code of Federal Regulations as well as Federal Criminal Laws Pertaining to his Conflict-of-Interest

www.obamacrimes.com is the web site for the truth about Obama

(Washington, DC – 07/21/2009) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of Constitutional “qualifications/eligibility” to serve as President of the United States and his cases that are still pending in Federal Court, Berg vs. Obama [Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340]; this case – Berg as Relator v. Obama; [U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia No. 08-cv-01933]; and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, et al [U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, No. 09-5080]; announced today that he filed a Reply to the U.S. Response in Opposition to our Motion for Reconsideration in the Qui Tam [False Claims Act] Case filed in the U.S. District Court, District of Columbia as United States Attorney General Eric Holder and his Office have a Conflict-of-Interest and inasmuch violated both the Federal Regulations as well as Federal Criminal Codes. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, his Office, his Staff and the United States Department of Justice are required to uphold and ensure our laws; the laws of the United States are upheld and enforced.

Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution states:

“The Constitution entrusts the Executive with duty to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”

Berg said, “Our Reply dealt head-on with the fact Attorney General Eric Holder’s staff has avoided the Conflict-of-Interest issue and our request for a Special Prosecutor if the Government will not allow me, Philip J. Berg, as the Relator to proceed to prosecute Obama.

It is our position that the Government’s attempt to dismiss the qui tam case against Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama is in clear violation of the U.S. Attorney General’s duties pursuant to Article II, Section 3 and should ‘NOT’ be allowed.”

Berg continues, “I furnished the Government and the Court with the information as to Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama’s legal name, which is Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status as Indonesian; I furnished sworn Affidavits showing Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombosa, Kenya; I presented evidence that the Certification of Live Birth [COLB] presented on the internet by Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama has been deemed a forged and altered document; I presented evidence that the birth announcement filed in the Hawaiian newspapers regarding Barack H. Obama on or about August 13, 1961 could not be verified; I presented evidence Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama never resided in the address on the birth announcement; and I raised the genuine issues pertaining to Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama’s college records wherein Berg is informed, believes and therefore alleges Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama attended Occidental College in California and Columbia University in New York and Harvard Law School as a foreign student. None of which have been refuted by the Government.”

“Instead of investigating the true issues, the Government through the United States Attorney General Eric Holder, his staff and the United States Department of Justice, who U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder also over-sees moved to Dismiss the Qui Tam action instead of upholding our United States Constitution and the very laws stated to protect “we the people” from any individual usurping the Office of the President of the United States”.


Berg’s Qui Tam was regarding the U.S. Senator Position from Illinois held by Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama and the salary and benefits Obama drew based on fraudulent claims. This is a very unique situation as Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama is now our acting President of the United States. President Obama appointed Eric Holder for the position of the United States Attorney General and Mr. Holder reports directly to President Obama. This creates a huge Conflict-of-Interest with anyone from U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s Office having any association with the Qui Tam matter against, now, President Obama.

There are Federal Statutory prohibitions and related regulations addressing Conflicts-of-Interest on the part of present officers or employees of the Federal (and in some instances of the District of Columbia) government.

The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), 5 CFR § 2635, et seq. and 5 CFR § 2640, et seq. governs Governmental Employees, including U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and his staff. '

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:28 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Normally I leave the 'Obama Not Natural Born' stuff to PN and the crazytalkers.

I fully expected the military to go after this guy arguing the same arguments used successfully in past suits to preclude the discovery process from going foreward. The nature of this case made that more difficult.

...suddenly the usual "we don't have to respond" argument does not work.

...I am now of the opinion that the question needs to be settled, so it is my hope that soldiers will continue to challenge the President in such numbers until he produces the document.

Thats the whole point. One document, simple solution, and we can all point and laugh at the crazytalkers.

H




True enough , Hero...

Makes sense , what you said...

All true , all true .

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
' "...No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the Office of President.

--United States Constitution, article II


Despite its. apparent simplicity, the natural-born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.

It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.

It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." '

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf





Oh, I totally get that YOU don't understand plain English, but it seems pretty clear to me - and it says absolutely nothing about what you CLAIMED it says in your earlier post, when you maintained that

Quote:


'"Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as president, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiff’s inspection and authentication: namely, the 'long-form' birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961," explains the complaint.



Of course, you'll claim it wasn't YOU who said that, but that you were merely quoting someone else - which you were, but you were quoting them as the main source of YOUR point. And, as you say,

Quote:


You should not infer anything that I did not imply...

I'm a plain talker...



Plainly you've implied that anyone eligible to run for President must have parents who are both citizens of the U.S., something that is plainly NOT in the Constitution, but which you've tried to maintain IS in there. Here's you doing it again, in your own words:

Quote:


It's only a non-issue if the baby goes out with the bathwater .

In this case , the 'baby' is the Constitution , which , like it or not , still requires BOTH of a Presidential candidates' parents to be US Citizens capable of conferring citizenship upon their child by virtue of his being 'natural-born', in other words , native to the United States...

Plain and simple...



So I guess I have to ask the question, since obviously such a "plain talker" as you can't quite grasp it by implication (or inference, for that matter): Are you really that misinformed, or are you intentionally lying to try to bolster your "case"?



Mike

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


According to SNOPES
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In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed.

Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II," it lists his father's race as "African" and his mother's as "Caucasian," it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an
altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.)

Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.

So Obama HAS made his COLB available, people have touched it, examined it, and found it to be valid.

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's like was said earlier, Signy- NO MATTER WHAT OBAMA DOES, it won't be enough. If he flew Air Force One over to pick up the naysayers, and then flew them straight to Hawaii and had the vaults unlocked and showed them the actual document and let them go over it and convinced them...

...there'd still be PN and OutOfHisHead saying it was all fake, and that now even their old cohorts were "in cahoots" with Obama and the fakers he works for.

There is NEVER going to be anything that satisfies these fucknuts, because they're far too entrenched in the paranoia and fantasy now. Their entire being and world is invested in Obama being a "non-citizen" of the U.S. (but they aren't clear at all of what country he IS a citizen of, but somewhere maybe between Indonesia, Ghana, and Kenya. Or Britain. Or maybe Samoa.)

If everyone else came out tomorrow and said they'd seen the birth certificate, it was real and legit and everything was cool, do you REALLY think PN and O2B would just shrug and say, "My bad"?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.


What, you mean your local paper doesn't print the birth announcements of Kenyans, Ghanans, and Indonesians? Slackers.

You must realize that this conspiracy goes back before Obama's birth. At least, that's what the Birthers seem to think. And they say WE'RE the ones who "annointed" Obama...



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ahhhhh.... you're right. Out2Lunch would just call them Operatives, and PN would post another one of his crazy-talker "source" videos.

Still, it's kinda fun to watch.

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Ahhhhh.... you're right. Out2Lunch would just call them Operatives, and PN would post another one of his crazy-talker "source" videos.

Still, it's kinda fun to watch.



True dat...


Still, the thing that nags at me is...

IF you were part of a vast conspiracy that started in 1961 or so, and you were determined to pre-choose your messiah and "annointed one" and set him on his course that would make him President (although he wouldn't be, really, but he'd win the "selection" and people would THINK he was the President)...

IF you were able to do all that, and plan things out that well and that far in advance...

Wouldn't the very first thing you did be to either have a real birth certificate placed in the file, or put a brilliant forgery in the file? I mean, a forgery so perfect that no one could ever possibly even BEGIN to question it?

So somehow, while all these minions were doing all this in order to place Obama at this place in history, they managed to botch the birth certificate? Really? Is that what you'd have us believe?

If you're that gullible, I'd like to sell you the rifle that LBJ used to shoot JFK!



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:53 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Based on the almost instant reversal of the
deployment orders to Afghanistan for combat
veteran Army Major Cook - once he filed suit to
see proof that Obama was a US citizen, and
therefore eligible to be President of the United
States, and therefore able to issue Major Cook a
lawful order (as opposed to an unlawful order
coming from a non-citizen and non-President) -
Devvy Kidd made this dynamite suggestion on a
radio show with Jeff Rense a few nights ago
(according to my source):

Devvy suggested that anyone falling under any ANY
obligation emanating from a bill signed into law
by President (?) Obama - should file suit and
demand proof to see in a court of law that Obama
is really a US citizen.

Brilliant!

Pass this along. Perhaps some of the Pro se
litigants can draw up some templates for others
to use to file suit.

Perhaps lawyers in some areas will find they can
brief a little life into their law practices by
filing such suits for concerned citizens.

The Major Cook case indicates that this is an
Achilles Heel of the current New World Order
thrust. This is why everyone and their brother in
the major media either shies away from this issue
- or minimizes it.

This is an issue that everyone can understand,
and that forces people to face that we are under
an occupation government - which is also a
LAWLESS government, and, as Congresswoman
Bachmann of Minnesota stated on the floor of
Congress - a GANGSTER government.

You can see the youtube of Cong. Michele Bachmann calling the Obama administration a Gangster government here :

( 4:41 min, over 1.1 million
views so far)



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Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:11 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


You have now lost the little remaining credibility you had with me by posting what Michelle Bachman thinks.

I still hate the people of my district for voting for her.


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Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Cuda77:
You have now lost the little remaining credibility you had with me by posting what Michelle Bachman thinks.

I still hate the people of my district for voting for her.






Don't worry, Cuda - if Bachman gets her way, she won't have a job after next year anyway! In her crackpot ranting for people to refuse to respond to next year's census, she apparently overlooked the fact that congressional districts are drawn based on census information. If only as few as 2000-3000 people in her district take her advice, Minnesota will lose a seat in the House - and since hers is the newest, it's the first one gone!

Congratulations, Representative Bachman - you've put yourself out of work!

By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:06 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!


So only American citizens are worth listening too?

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!


So only American citizens are worth listening too?



Not all of them.

Too?

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:33 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't worry, Cuda - if Bachman gets her way, she won't have a job after next year anyway! In her crackpot ranting for people to refuse to respond to next year's census, she apparently overlooked the fact that congressional districts are drawn based on census information. If only as few as 2000-3000 people in her district take her advice, Minnesota will lose a seat in the House - and since hers is the newest, it's the first one gone!

Congratulations, Representative Bachman - you've put yourself out of work!

That's news to me. I sincerely hope it comes true in that case. And as someone who actually lives out here, I'd say there's a very high chance that enough people will be just plain stupid enough to forget to respond, regardless if they listen to her or not. We have a special kind of idiot out here. A lot of Joe The Plumber and Farmer Fred types where I live.


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Friday, July 24, 2009 5:08 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


" It's worse than you know...It usually is..."

'Dear Senator Franken,

Yesterday you stated in your introductory remarks during the hearings on Judge Sotomayor
that „you may not be a lawyer, but neither are most Americans‟. By contrast, what you are
is a Harvard man, capable of exercising your own judgment to arrive at your own opinion. You
have also been so far a man of your word, who does not toe the line of any party or group.
It is as such a man that I am addressing to you evidence of Judge Sotomayor‟s three acts
of substantial wrongdoing. That evidence is all the more compelling because it has to do with
objective matters based on facts; as such, they rely on neither her judicial philosophy and its
subjective appreciation, nor her gender nor ethnicity. The facts are those of her conduct, through
which she has compromised her integrity and impartiality. In brief, the evidence shows that she:
1) evaded her duty to disclose “in detail all her assets…and liabilities”;
2) withheld the DeLano case, 06-4780-bk, from the Committee and her motive therefor; and
3) showed partiality toward her peers by participating, as a member of the Judicial
Council of the Second Circuit, in the latter‟s 100% denial of petitions for review of
judicial misconduct complaints during the 1oct96-30sep08 12-year period.
The evidence is contained in a letter, a table of her known earnings and the only assets
and liabilities that she disclosed, and a proposed subpoena for the Follow the money!
investigation of her financial affairs and of the similarly non-disclosed assets in DeLano. See,
http://Judicial-Discipline-Reform.org/SCt_nominee/JSotomayor_integrity
/11DrCordero-SenJudCom.pdf
;
as augmented by supporting documents referred to in the statements‟ copious notes, see,
http://Judicial-Discipline-Reform.org/SCt_nominee/Senate/7DrCordero-Se
nJudCom_docs.pdf

I trust you recognize the gravity of Judge Sotomayor having represented to the Committee
that she had submitted all the requested cases while in fact she omitted DeLano. Moreover,
that case belies her opening statement yesterday that as a justice „she would follow her simple
judicial philosophy of applying the law‟. DeLano proves the egregious way in which she violated
discovery rights and denied due process of law in order to cover up the concealment of at least
$673,657 in just one of the 3,907 cases of one trustee before her appointee, the bankruptcy judge.
How many other cases involving lots of money and insiders may she have likewise withheld? '

http://judicial-discipline-reform.org/SCt_nominee/Senate/22DrCordero-S
enFranken.pdf

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Friday, July 24, 2009 5:11 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


http://www.opednews.com/articles/As-Goldman-exec-Obama-nom-by-Kevin-Co
nnor-090722-106.html


" As Goldman exec, Obama nominee played key role in Sudan-linked IPO..."

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Friday, July 24, 2009 5:15 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Falling-Empire-by-Patrice-Ayme-090723
-573.html


'...As the Roman republic went down, culture and art went down, and they went down ahead of the military and economic capabilities. Rome became idiotic first, and then was progressively completely incapacitated.

Why did Rome become idiotic? Because the Roman republic had been kidnapped by the hyper rich "Senatorial" class. The hyper rich tolerated only dummies. During the transition to idiocy, those who refused to cooperate were killed. The philosopher and Consul Cicero, saw the hands he was writing with chopped off, and nailed to the Senate door. And that is not an imaginary anecdote a la Reagan. It was meant to impress those too willing to write down smart thoughts.

Finally the plutocracy mixed up with the theocrats, and any knowledge or thinking was viewed as an insult to God. This episode is called the Dark Ages. But it started with the rise of the stupid, paid to reign by the hyper rich.'


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Friday, July 24, 2009 5:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


O2B- 'zactly.

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Friday, July 24, 2009 6:00 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Oh , good...

Maybe you'll also enjoy the Bernanke 'grill' video , then :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/30527.html

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Friday, July 24, 2009 6:43 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Lou Dobbs Radio says Obama is NOT born in USA, based on the current litigation in fed courts and the Pentagon refusing to send soldiers to war when they sue to see Obama's birth certificate:





I didn't even know Dobbs had a radio show.

HR1507: Obama Birth Certificate Protection Act
http://naturalbornconservative.blogspot.com/2009/05/obama-birth-certif
icate-protection-act.html


Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On His First Day In The White House
www.freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-relea
se-of-his-birth-certificate
/

List of 16 lawsuits demanding to see Obama's birth certificate
http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/3729

US Supreme Court bans discovery in lawsuits demanding to see Obama's birth certificate
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=39238

Presidential Birther Bill Won't Apply to Obama: Congress demands future presidential candidates to prove U.S. citizenship
www.scrippsnews.com/node/44286

Where American Babies Come From Act: Smartass Demands to See Proof of Obama Conception
www.huffingtonpost.com/will-menaker/lou-dobbs-demands-to-see_b_243733.
html

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Friday, July 24, 2009 7:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I didn't even know Dobbs had a radio show.



You and 319,999,999 other Americans...

Put it this way: Lou Dobbs' radio audience is only marginally larger than my own - and I don't HAVE a radio show!

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Friday, July 24, 2009 7:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

The philosopher and Consul Cicero, saw the hands he was writing with chopped off, and nailed to the Senate door. And that is not an imaginary anecdote a la Reagan. It was meant to impress those too willing to write down smart thoughts.



So, since you're still typing, I guess we can surmise that YOUR hands haven't been chopped off, ergo the idiocracy isn't scared of YOUR words or thoughts. Guess you must be one of the ones they're catering to, eh? One of the idiots?

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Friday, July 24, 2009 7:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On His First Day In The White House
www.freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-relea
se-of-his-birth-certificate
/




From your link posted above, here's the opening of the article:

Quote:

Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

UPDATE: At the time this post was published it appears as though we may have been misinterpreting the section of US Code covered by this Executive Order.




So, once again PN, you literally could not be proven more wrong.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Friday, July 24, 2009 10:30 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, since you're still typing, I guess we can surmise that YOUR hands haven't been chopped off, ergo the idiocracy isn't scared of YOUR words or thoughts. Guess you must be one of the ones they're catering to, eh? One of the idiots?



No , they mean to leave me where I am for now...
The purges of the dissenting intellectuals won't occur until the provocateurs like yourself have outed all of us...

On the other hand , they don't worry so much about the idiot masses , since they're compliant and willing to be herded along...

Meanwhile , the world is being taken over by brain-eating zombies...

That means that you , and the sickynym-ruetard axis are all SAFE !


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Friday, July 24, 2009 2:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

you , and the sickynym-ruetard axis
Awww... yanno ... I'm just gonna start calling you Out2Lunch. You just can't NOT do that, can ya?

What a 'tard.

Or worse. 'Tards can't help it. You choose to be that way.

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Friday, July 24, 2009 5:16 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"... in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court said a child born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen regardless of their parents' citizenship

... what Obama has made public thus far is the same form that anyone requesting their birth certificate from Hawaii would receive, and state officials have made very clear that it's authentic and shows he was born there.

Taitz and others say, wrongly, that there's a Hawaiian statute that applied to Obama that would have allowed his parents to register a foreign birth there, and somehow get state officials to say he was born in Honolulu. But as Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health, recently explained to the Washington Independent's David Weigel, "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios.""


***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

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Friday, July 24, 2009 6:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


"... in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court said a child born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen regardless of their parents' citizenship



TRAITOR!!! I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask to see your birth certificate, young miss.



Here's the thing that PN and Out2Lunch don't get, which I tried to point out earlier:

What they're demanding of Obama, they'd be up in arms about if it were demanded of them. They seem to be cheerleading the kinds of "Big-Brotherism" they so routinely proclaim is destroying us and clearing the way for the mythical "New World Order" they fear so much - and here they are laying the groundwork and foundations for just such overreaching legislation to be put in place!

I find it all fairly humorous, to be honest about it. Their hypocrisy is the most hilarious part, really.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:33 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This is where I must confess that I am not always the law abiding citizen that we are all told we should be.

Sometimes, I have a willingness to break the law. Not often, but it comes up.

And so I must confess with a heavy heart this truth...

I don't particularly care where my politicians were born. None of my support for, nor objection to, any presidential candidate has been based on their place of birth. There are actual real reasons to like or not like the leadership in this country that have nothing to do with birthplace.

It is these merits of actual conduct and design that demand the installation or removal of leaders. I consider the issue of birth to be a mere technicality, and in a proper governmental system, it wouldn't bloody matter where you were from. It would matter what you did.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:02 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

...I don't particularly care where my politicians were born. None of my support for, nor objection to, any presidential candidate has been based on their place of birth. There are actual real reasons to like or not like the leadership in this country that have nothing to do with birthplace.

It is these merits of actual conduct and design that demand the installation or removal of leaders. I consider the issue of birth to be a mere technicality, and in a proper governmental system, it wouldn't bloody matter where you were from. It would matter what you did.

--Anthony



Or , as MLK would say , ' the content of one's character'.

Have to concur with all that you said , except the part where 'I don't particularly care'.

Ordinarily , and in every other circumstance , there'd be nothing at all wrong with that sentiment...

But , this is a Constitutional requirement...
Admittedly , most folk have little or no familiarity with the Constitution . Even some of those who do have knowledge of it choose to ignore aspects of it that they don't agree with , as an example , a rogue cop who decides to administer his own corporeal 'justice' against the person that he feels is not moving quickly enough for his liking...Despite having sworn an oath to uphold , support , and defend the Constitution...

That's where folk become suspicious of a President who must meet Constitutional requirements and obligations , who promises 'transparency' , but can do no better than set up a website that characterizes the questioning of his credentials as an effort to 'fight the smears', and is willing to produce , at least initially , a *redacted* copy of a form that was issued , not in the 1960's , but decades later...

Meanwhile , in the public's effort to attain that touted transparency , it becomes common knowledge that Obama's application to the Illinois state bar says that he has never been known by any other name , which is , even by his own disclosure , demonstrably not true...

Just a couple days ago , I saw a newspaper editorial that said that the solution to this crisis is simple , " amend the Constitution ".

Shows no Constitutional knowledge at all , being that that would be an 'ex post facto' law...Which wouldn't apply to the Obama case , anyway...

The 'ex post facto' clause is a safeguard against people being ensnared , after the fact , by new legislation...

Necessarily , Constitutional amendments are not easy , and for good reason...

In the case of any doubt , it's much more productive , simpler , and safer , to *amend* the politicians...

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:26 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

There is an upcoming opportunity for everyone to amend this particular politician, and I encourage them to do so if any aspect of his performance, conduct, or nature compells them to do so.

For my own part, I still don't care about his place of birth. There is a law in my hometown that says you can not have a car for sale in the swale area in front of your house.

For those who are not familiar with swale areas, I shall elucidate. There is a house. In front of the house is a front yard which is part of the same property. In front of the front yard is the sidewalk. Beyond the sidewalk is another piece of land which is officially designated public space, but which is maintained by the homeowner. This space is called the 'swale' in my hometown. Beyond this swale is the street.

Now, you can park your car in the swale if you prefer, and many do. But if you stick a 'For Sale' sign in the window, you are breaking the law. There are officers who go around citing people who do this, and they are justified in doing so because the law says they can. However, this law serves absolutely no useful public good. (At least to my eyes.) Even if I were a police officer, I do not anticipate that I would spend one iota of my time citing homeowners who put their own cars for sale in the swale area in front of their own houses.

By the same token, a Constitutional article to say, outlaw alcohol, or to prevent smoking in the privacy of your home, or to designate a black man as a mere percentage of a person... These are Constitutional articles I would similarly ignore. The reason for this is that they, too, serve no public good (At least to my eyes.) This is where I confess that I am not always a law abiding citizen. If I think I can get away with ignoring a law that I can't rationalize as being useful, I ignore it. In this aspect, I am something of a hypocrite. I would loudly proclaim my Constitutional right to bear arms or speak freely, for instance. Meanwhile I would look the other way as my neighbors enjoyed a bourbon during Constitutional prohibition.

Now, IF I cared about Obama's birth certificate, I'd have to note that he has produced a Hawaiian short form Birth document, and that a government official in Hawaii has certified that a long form document is retained on record. I don't know why portions of the short form document have been redacted. Perhaps it is a privacy issue. Obama might have been born a woman, and had a sex change. If I cared about where he was born, it would be enough that the government agencies and authorities pledged to confirm this have done so.

As noted above by other commentators, it is always hilarious to see people who argue:

A) that they do not have to provide government issued identification to an officer investigating a break-in

and

B) that a birth document and official confirmation of its authenticity is not enough to identify someone.

Clearly, I am not the only hypocrite in audience today.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Now, IF I cared about Obama's birth certificate, I'd have to note that he has produced a Hawaiian short form Birth document, and that a government official in Hawaii has certified that a long form document is retained on record. I don't know why portions of the short form document have been redacted. Perhaps it is a privacy issue. Obama might have been born a woman, and had a sex change. If I cared about where he was born, it would be enough that the government agencies and authorities pledged to confirm this have done so.



It seems that the entire argument for people like PN and O2B hinges on the PERSONAL issue of it - they simply refuse to accept Obama's birth certificate as "real" because no one has come to them personally and shown it TO THEM. Similarly, moon-landing doubters can go their entire lives sticking to their claims that it's impossible to prove that man landed on the Moon, because THEY THEMSELVES weren't the ones who set foot on the Moon, and if they didn't do it, then no one else possibly could have.

Look at any conspiracy theory, and you see the same thread running through it - it's the purely subjective, personal non-acceptance of whatever is being discussed. "*I* haven't seen what's hidden away at Area 51, so that proves that it MUST be aliens from another galaxy!" "*I* couldn't have shot President Kennedy from a 2nd-floor window, so it's impossible that anyone else could have done so." "*I* wasn't present at the Nazi concentration camps, so the Holocaust never happened."

This is all just one step away from what I call subjective immortality - the notion that the universe started and ends with me. After all, *I* don't remember the Revolutionary War, so I guess it never happened, eh? All I really know of the world first-hand is what has happened to me since I was born, so the rest could all just be pure fabrication, a giant conspiracy that everyone else in the world is in on, in an attempt to try to pull the wool over my eyes.

But that's the way these guys operate. And that's why you'll never - NEVER - convince them of the facts, or get them to admit that they were wrong. Every piece of evidence you produce for them - "Just let us see the birth certificate, and this will all be over!" - will be denounced as a "forgery" or fabrication; every person or group who authenticates such documents and evidence will henceforth be viewed as being in on the scam and having been compromised by The Man.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


CNN wants Lou Dobbs fired under orders from Kosher pedophiles at SPLC, those nice jews who ran the Neo-Nazi terror camp for the OKC bombing:

Quote:

Lou Dobbs: "Obama, the Undocumented President"

In part, Klein writes, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef." Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes President Obama's original birth certificate.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/major-civil-rights-group_n_244532.ht
ml



Amazing what professional reporters can dig up in 1 day's work.

Jew "Morris Dees" is a convicted pedophile:
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=splc+morris+dees+pedophile&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Does that mean that EVERYBODY born in Hawaii is undocumented? Now we suddenly have +1.3 million "undocumented" aliens?

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Monday, July 27, 2009 4:13 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Wait a minute, you're saying you like having a republic for a government, and think that Democracy is the reason California is failing? Even though a republic necessarily limits your voice and free speech?



The reason to have a 'republic' is to prevent the tyranny of public opinion from outstripping reasoned dialogue...

Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

Their kind are those who want to refute the so-called 'birthers' by screaming 'birth certificate !' , which is actually the same tactic they employed at the outset , with little in the way of facts being brought to the fore by their side subsequently...

Their faith in the obamessiah is not easily undone...Apparently , they believe all should heil the all-mitey-obamessiah...

That kind of environment also explains the pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
net


'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

Meanwhile , the pResident's 'fight the smears' website has largely gone down the 'memory hole' :

Obama’s “Fight the Smears” Disappears & Keyes v. Obama Eligibility Case to be Heard on Merits

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/13/obamas-fight-the-sme
ars-disappears-obama-eligibility-case-will-be-heard-on-merits
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