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Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

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Monday, July 27, 2009 6:35 AM

SKYWALKEN


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For the first time in years, the nationalist camp will hold a large scale rally against United States policies vis-à-vis Israel.

The protest will be held in downtown Jerusalem, on Agron St. on Monday evening, and is being organized by the Residents Committees of Binyamin and Samaria, as well as the nationalist umbrella organization Mateh Maamatz, the Yesha Council of Jewish Communities, and Komemiyut.

Knesset Members and others representing various parties, including the Likud, will speak.

"Not since the days of [U.S. Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger has there been such a protest against American policies," said MK Yaakov Katz (Ketzaleh), chairman of the National Union party. "The pressure that Barack Hussein Obama is exerting against us to simply stop growing and stop living will not work."

The Obama administration has made it clear that Israel must stop building of all types throughout Judea and Samaria (Yesha), as well as in parts of Israel's capital city that were liberated during the Six Day War of 1967.

In addition, hints have been dropped that American action against Iran depends on a cessation of Israeli construction in Yesha.

No fewer than four top American officials are visiting Israel this week, presumably bringing uniform diplomatic messages in the above spirit from President Obama. The four are special U.S. envoy to the Middle East, George Mitchell, who landed in Israel on Sunday after a short visit in Damascus; Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who arrived on Monday and has already met with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu; and National Security Advisor James Jones and White House Iranian affairs expert Dennis Ross who are scheduled to meet later in the week with Netanyahu.

The slogan for Monday's demonstration, and the message to Obama and his envoys, is, "Yes to Israeli Independence, No to American Dictates!"

A torchlight walk will begin at 6:30 pm at Paris/Jonathan Pollard Square, near the Prime Minister's Office, and go down Agron St. towards the U.S. consulate.

MK Katz quoted the official figures released by the Central Bureau of Statistics today, indicating nearly 305,000 Israelis in Yesha, at a growth rate some three times higher than the rest of the country.

"If this is the official figure," Katz said, "then we can assume that there are really close to 350,000 people, because of all those who have not changed their official addresses, and outposts, and the like. Together with the nearly 300,000 people in the new Jerusalem neighborhoods, this means that Barack Hussein Obama is telling well over 600,000 Jews that they must all stop having children and buildings and going to the store and sending their children to school and building roads and, in short, to stop growing. This is the type of decree that our worst enemies decreed against us, always accompanied by their Jewish advisors. But just as they did not succeed, the same will be with Obama."

Land of Israel pioneers have begun their two-day blitz to establish 11 new settlement sites throughout Judea and Samaria. In at least one case – Netzer, in Gush Etzion – security forces arrived on the scene and rebuffed their attempt. Activists at the site said they would resume the building within a matter of hours.



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132597

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Monday, July 27, 2009 7:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GOOD.

Obama must be doing something right.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 7:45 AM

SKYWALKEN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
GOOD.

Obama must be doing something right.



So says Hitler!

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Monday, July 27, 2009 8:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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"The pressure that Barack Hussein Obama is exerting against us to simply stop growing and stop living will not work."
Wow! it took only one post for you to come out with the Hitler analogy! A clear validation of Godwin's law!
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Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation coined by Mike Godwin in 1990, and which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
Israel's policies are clearly and self-admittedly expansionist, like Hitler's. If I'm like anyone, it's more like Churchill, and you're like Chamberlain.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 8:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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The slogan for Monday's demonstration, and the message to Obama and his envoys, is, "Yes to Israeli Independence, No to American Dictates!"




Oh, thank fucking tapdancing Christ for THAT! Please, please, pleasepleaseplease, SkyWalken, CAN WE HOLD THEM TO THAT PROMISE?

Can we now stop all foreign aid to Israel? That way, we surely won't be tempted to try and tell them what to do, which will have the effect of making them REALLY independent!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Monday, July 27, 2009 8:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Skywalken:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
GOOD.

Obama must be doing something right.



So says Hitler!





I'm pretty sure Hitler doesn't say much of anything any more, being all morbid and corpsified and such for the last 64 years...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Monday, July 27, 2009 11:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Do I reaalllly have to pull out that massive list of all the shit they've pulled, up to and including outright acts of war - for you to maybe understand WHY so many of us are pissed at our untrustworthy, hateful, racist, intolerant and most especially backstabbing, so called ally ?

And if you wanna get into the hitler comparison, might I remind you that Palestine looks a lot like the warsaw ghetto, and both the reasons and bullshit justifications behind that are exactly the same.

At least ole adolph used his own fucking bullets, instead of getting them from us for pennies on the dollar, paid for with foreign aid money they bribed politicians to hook them up with anyways.

What's next, shipping them subsidised Zyklon-B ?

And folks wonder why most of the middle east doesn't like or trust us, gee why could THAT be ?

How bout you jam a crowbar in your ass and lever your head outta there for five fuckin minutes and look at the evidence.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

-Frem

PS. and that's me bein NICE - don't push it.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 12:00 PM

SKYWALKEN


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Obama's policies against Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem and the strategic West Bank were slammed as "racist" today by participants in a rally drawing about 2,000 Israelis in front of the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem.

"George Mitchell go home!" yelled protestors in front of the U.S. government building.

Mitchell, Obama's envoy to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is here discussing the American administration's call for a halt to all Jewish settlement activity, including natural growth or accommodating the needs of existing Jewish populations in the areas in question.

"Obama should not be pressing Israel to compromise and freeze building in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem," protest organizer Yaacov Steinberg told WND.

"All these steps in the past just brought more Palestinian terror and showed Israeli weakness," said Steinberg, director of a coalition of West Bank Jewish organizations.

Speaking at the rally, Rabbi Eliezer Waldman, who heads the prestigious "Nir" Torah seminary in the West Bank city of Kiryat Arba, called Obama a "racist."

"How dare he tell the Jews where they can or can't live! The era when Jews were banned from living in different places has ended," Waldman exclaimed.

"Obama beware. This insolence will bring about the downfall of the American leadership. Anyone who dares give an order to prevent Israeli life in Jerusalem or anywhere else in the land of Israel is destined to fall," he said.

Pinchas Wallerstein, director of the Yesha council of Jewish communities in the West Bank, told the crowds, "This week the American pressure reached new highs that are a shame to democratic societies."

Wallerstein was referring to the summoning of Israel's ambassador to Washington last week by the State Department to demand a Jewish construction project
in eastern Jerusalem be immediately halted.

"It's absolutely an outrageously racist policy," Mort Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, told WND. "Especially in light of how Obama should be sensitive when it comes to anything that would remotely constitute discrimination of people based on ethnicity or religion."

The construction project at the center of attention, financed by Miami Beach philanthropist Irving Moskowitz, is located just meters from Israel's national police headquarters and other government ministries. It is a few blocks from the country's prestigious Hebrew University, underscoring the centrality of the Jewish real estate being condemned by the U.S.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly rejected the State Department demand, telling a cabinet meeting Sunday that Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem was not a matter up for discussion.

"Imagine what would happen if someone were to suggest Jews could not live in or purchase [property] in certain neighborhoods in London, New York, Paris or Rome," he said.

"The international community would certainly raise protest. Likewise, we cannot accept such a ruling on East Jerusalem," Netanyahu told ministers.

In a statement released to WND, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, long considered one of the most powerful Jewish groups in the U.S., took strong issue with the U.S. demand against Jewish construction in Jerusalem.

"We find disturbing the objections raised to the proposed construction of residential units on property that was legally purchased and approved by the appropriate authorities. The area in question houses major Israeli governmental agencies, including the national police headquarters."

"The U.S. has in the past and recently raised objections to the removal of illegal structures built by Arabs in eastern Jerusalem even though they were built in violation of zoning and other requirements often on usurped land," read the statement.

The group's statement pointed out Moskowitz's housing project formerly was the house of the infamous mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who spent the war years in Berlin as a close ally of Adolf Hitler, aiding and abetting the Nazi extermination of Jews.

Al-Husseini was also linked to the 1929 massacre of Jews in Jerusalem and Hebron and to other acts of incitement that resulted in death and destruction in what was then called Palestine. Some Palestinians have expressed a desire to preserve the building as a tribute to Husseini.

Historically, there was never any separation between eastern and western Jerusalem. The terminology came after Jordan occupied the eastern section of the city, including the Temple Mount, from 1947 until it used the territory to attack the Jewish state in 1967. Israel reunited Jerusalem when it won the 1967 Six Day War.



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105173

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Monday, July 27, 2009 12:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'll say it again - let's stop ALL aid to Israel. Then they can stand on their own, have their "independence" that they so desperately seem to want, and do what they're going to do, without our help, blessing, or money.

Oh, and all those billions in aid we've given them? When can we expect that money back?

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Monday, July 27, 2009 12:56 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'll say it again - let's stop ALL aid to Israel. Then they can stand on their own, have their "independence" that they so desperately seem to want, and do what they're going to do, without our help, blessing, or money.

Oh, and all those billions in aid we've given them? When can we expect that money back?



Anti Semite! The Hate Police will come to take you away, haha!

I quoted ADL.org quoting Michael Jackson's song and I got banned of FFF for posting on my own thread, after someone else changed the thread title. So discussing the #2 most popular topic in the 21st Century, with one of the most-read posts in FFF history (over 4,000 visitors), is grounds for a ban on FFF?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38893

Beware the Jew Police... Free Speech is now a felony with 20 years in prison in the ADL/Mossad Defense Authorization Act passed by US Congress, unless Hussein Obama Soetoro "vetoes" it for not having enough F22 Raptors. Never mind that an illegal alien has no authority to sign legislation.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 1:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by piratenews:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'll say it again - let's stop ALL aid to Israel. Then they can stand on their own, have their "independence" that they so desperately seem to want, and do what they're going to do, without our help, blessing, or money.

Oh, and all those billions in aid we've given them? When can we expect that money back?



Anti Semite! The Hate Police will come to take you away, haha!

I quoted ADL.org quoting Michael Jackson's song and I got banned of FFF for posting on my own thread, after someone else changed the thread title. So discussing the #2 most popular topic in the 21st Century, with one of the most-read posts in FFF history (over 4,000 visitors), is grounds for a ban on FFF?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38893

Beware the Jew Police... Free Speech is now a felony with 20 years in prison in the ADL/Mossad Defense Authorization Act passed by US Congress, unless Hussein Obama Soetoro "vetoes" it for not having enough F22 Raptors. Never mind that an illegal alien has no authority to sign legislation.




If you were banned, how are you still here?

Or are you just making shit up again, as usual?

As for my being an "anti-Semite", I'm not. I say we should stop all aid to Israel if they're so dead-set against us having any say in how they do things or how they treat others. That's not saying we should stop helping all Jews. I get that you can't see the difference, but that's because you're a rabid racist and anti-Semite who thinks the Jews are responsible for every evil thing in the world.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 1:31 PM

WULFENSTAR

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Kwick,

Aint it fun to be called something you arn't just because you express your opinion?

Remember being called an anti-semite,

next time you try an call me a racist.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 2:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Kwick,

Aint it fun to be called something you arn't just because you express your opinion?

Remember being called an anti-semite,

next time you try an call me a racist.





The difference being, I don't start off my conversations about Israel by going, "Well, the problem with all Jews is..." You don't seem to grasp the difference.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Monday, July 27, 2009 4:06 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I also advocate ending support and aid to Israel. They are more than capable of militarily defending themselves with the vast quantity of advanced weaponry we have already supplied them with at discount prices.

Without further support and aid from the United States, they will be truly motivated and unrestricted in their attempts to reach a solution with their neighbors.


--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I agree. They're the #1 recipient of our "foreign aid". Why are we sending them $$$$?

We gave 'em $2.4 billion (that's a "b") in 2008 alone. We could buy some health care with that money. www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3362402,00.html

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


See, Skywalken? One CAN be in favor of letting Israel stand on its own two feet and yet not be a rabid anti-Semite.

Anyone ever know an addict, a junkie? When they were at their worst, did you keep giving them money, or did you finally just step away and let them work it out on their own?

Seems Israel is addicted to our money and our military weapons. If we were a true friend to them, would we keep feeding that addiction, or would we tell them to work it out for themselves?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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