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Obama cancels NASA's Manned Space Program?

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 1:05 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Will he end NASA?


better create a new topic for this otherwise I will have the topic thread jacked and be accused of necroposting
Quote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHs5vWk9IO7UiUQ4ub9w
Cv7fpeFQD9AJALL82


A White House panel of independent space experts says NASA's return-to-the-moon plan just won't fly.

The problem is money. The expert panel estimates it would cost about $3 billion a year beyond NASA's current budget.

The plan to revisit the moon by 2020 was proposed five years ago by then-President George W. Bush. It was supposed to be financed by savings from retiring the space shuttles. However, President Barack Obama's expert panel said any plan to go beyond low-Earth orbit was "not viable" with current spending. The panel posted a summary report online Tuesday.

NASA already has spent $7.7 billion on the moon plan, including the design and construction of new rockets....
...




I guess colonizing Mars if ever done, is for the Cyborgs, the Cylons and the Terminators. America is losing its exploration drive and Mankind has never been worthy to set foot on Mars.....unless the Chinese or Euros wanna go there and stick a flag in it?

When the USA is unable to return to the Moon I guess the American Century is officially over


Can't really blame Obama for all this, 'Dubya' had the space agency on life support.
Can Obama succeed where Nixon failed and finally ground manned space flight once and for all?




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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 4:25 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

LEBANON, OHIO—Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government.

According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, www.OmissionControl.org.

"It only took a few hastily written paragraphs published by this passionate denier of mankind's so-called 'greatest technological achievement' for me to realize I had been living a lie, " said a visibly emotional Armstrong, addressing reporters at his home. "It has become painfully clear to me that on July 20, 1969, the Lunar Module under the control of my crew did not in fact travel 250,000 miles over eight days, touch down on the moon, and perform various experiments, ushering in a new era for humanity. Instead, the entire thing was filmed on a soundstage, most likely in New Mexico."

"This is the only logical interpretation of the numerous inconsistencies in the grainy, 40-year-old footage," Armstrong added.

Although Armstrong said he "could have sworn" he felt the effects of zero gravity while soaring out of the Earth's atmosphere and through space, he now believed his memory must be flawed. He also admitted feeling "ashamed" that he had failed to notice the rippling of the American flag he and Buzz Aldrin planted on the surface, blaming his lack of awareness on the bulkiness of the spacesuit and his excitement about traveling to the "moon."

"That rippling is not possible in the vacuum of space," Armstrong said. "It must have been the wind from an air-conditioning duct that I didn't recognize because you can't hear a damn thing inside those helmets."

"This is all just common sense, people," he added. "It's the moon. You can't land on the moon."

In a symbolic display of his newfound skepticism, Armstrong then grabbed a collection of moon rocks he had kept as souvenirs and dramatically dumped them into a trash can.

One of the main arguments posited on Coleman's website—that America could not, in 1969, have realistically possessed the technological capabilities needed to put a man on the moon—was reportedly one of the first things to cause the legendary astronaut a pang of doubt. Despite having spent thousands of hours training for the historic mission under the guidance of the world's top scientists, technicians, and pilots, Armstrong said he knew the conspiracy theories were true after learning that website author Coleman was "quite the engineering buff."

"Yes, at the time I thought those thousands of NASA employees were working round the clock for the same incredible goal, but if anyone would know what was really going on, it would be Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said of the 31-year-old part-time librarian's assistant. "He knows a lot more about faked moon landings than I ever could. He's been researching the subject on the Internet for years."

"Literally years," he added.

Addressing another inconsistency brought to light by OmissionControl, Armstrong explained he was probably so focused on piloting the lunar module that he failed to notice that one of the moon rocks visible in footage of the landing appears to have the letter 'C' stamped on it. An emotional Armstrong said that the only possible explanation for this detail was that the rock actually came from NASA's prop department.

"They forgot to turn it over," Armstrong said, removing his eyeglasses to wipe away tears. "Those lying bastards at NASA went through all the trouble to fake the moon landing, but they forgot to turn over one little prop rock. And now the whole damn thing's blowing up in their faces."

Although Armstrong initially questioned why the U.S. would attempt such an elaborate cover-up, he cited one overarching explanation provided by Coleman: that it was a ploy to defeat the Soviet Union and fulfill the Illuminati's plan to unify the world's banks and control the dissemination of information.

"Just ask Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said. "He'll answer any questions you have."

To conclude the press conference, Armstrong showed reporters footage of his first steps on the moon to demonstrate that the most daming evidence was "right under our noses." Speeding up the tape and replaying the graceful moonwalk several times in a row, Armstrong explained that the iconic images of humanity's triumphant dance with the cosmos was actually just a film of him walking backwards, slowed down, and played in reverse.

"What other explanation could there be?" Armstrong asked. "It's all right here. Everything is all right here if you'd just open your damn eyes and see!"

Added Armstrong, "I suppose it really was one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind."

www.theonion.com/content/news/conspiracy_theorist_convinces_neil




Who hacked Omission Control?

But Obamabush gave $25-trillion to the foreign banksters, so far...

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:24 AM

DREAMTROVE


Sorry JT

It's just the necroposting for the purpose of rekindling partisan conflict that I object to. You're perfectly capable of doing that without necroposting ;) [/snark]

Actually, I prefer the necroposts.

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:57 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


" unless the Chinese or Euros wanna go there and stick a flag in it? "


or perhaps India

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1022/p06s12-wosc.html


their program seems to have momentum




" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 6:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


PN is the only person I know who actually cites The Onion as a legitimate news source.

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 7:02 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


To quote: (M.I.B)


[after telling Jay that they're going to check the "hot sheets," Kay pulls up to a newsstand and buys a pile of supermarket tabloids]

Jay: *These* are the hot sheets?

Kay: Best investigative reporting on the planet. But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes.

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 11:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA


*laughs*

I wouldn't go THAT far, but as a general rule Mike Rivero doesn't do half bad, Alex Jones is ok, but he's every bit the grandstanding media hound that Al Sharpton is, and Jeffie Rense is flat out mad as a hatter, but on occasion does pull the odd rabbit out of his hat.

If you asked me to name the best journalist currently still operating, though ?
Seymour Hersh - the man has balls of steel.

Even better, the guys named above, and all the other "crazies" are actually willing to pass him the hard evidence they're often working from, which they obtained in ways best left unmentioned, cause he will *NOT* 'out' them, his word is solid frikkin platinum.

Seymour drops the bomb, but it's the "crazies" who give him the payload.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:32 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
PN is the only person I know who actually cites The Onion as a legitimate news source.



You actually know PN ? And , he's a real person ?

Maybe you shouldn't be so critical...Don't you read 'the news' ?

'...Two Bangladeshi papers have been forced to apologise after publishing a story taken from satirical US website
The Onion that claimed Neil Armstrong's 1969 Moon landing was faked.'


http://www.members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/6155175/How-much-influen
ce-does-satire-have-on-current-affairs.html

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:37 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike
No, he's not alone...
http://www.examiner.com/x-22234-South-Asian-Culture-Examiner~y2009m9d7
-onion


And also WARNING, dead foetus picures, but still worth it for the laugh:
http://marchtogether.blogspot.com/2006/07/murder-without-conscience.ht
ml

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:40 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike
No, he's not alone...
http://www.examiner.com/x-22234-South-Asian-Culture-Examiner~y2009m9d7
-onion





Better still , P-N has the original tapes , rescued from NASA :



(NSFW)


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Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:38 AM

OPPYH


NASA..where dreams go to die.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 2:10 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


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Monday, February 1, 2010 6:30 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


NASA Finally Breaks the Budget
Fred Guterl
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/02/01/nasa-final
ly-breaks-the-budget.aspx

The ax finally fell today on NASA’s human-spaceflight program. The space agency will no longer fulfill one of the roles it was originally created for: to carry astronauts into earth orbit. Once the space shuttle is mothballed later this year or early next, that job will now fall to commercial companies.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


A victory for capitalism and the free markets!

No more wasteful government programs centered around man-made science. If "god" had wanted us in space, he'd have given us rocket boosters in the soles of our feet, and made us capable of breathing in vacuum!

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 8:22 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Kwick...

Dude...

Im not even going to argue your negations against a higher, good, power.

Not my place. As an American citizen (I presume), you have the right to whatever you want to believe or not believe.

But trying to turn Obamas cancellation of the space program into a theological crack? Wtf?


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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 8:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Kwick...

Dude...

Im not even going to argue your negations against a higher, good, power.

Not my place. As an American citizen (I presume), you have the right to whatever you want to believe or not believe.

But trying to turn Obamas cancellation of the space program into a theological crack? Wtf?




You seriously misunderstand me, as usual. Is it ignorance on your part, or is it a willful misunderstanding?

That's not a dig at your "god"; it's a dig at your religious idiots who currently seem to be in CONTROL of your "god" and whatever message he's supposed to have.

Also, I don't have a negation of belief in any higher power. I just don't need that higher power to be supernatural or otherworldly; our higher power is *US*. PEOPLE are our own best hope for better, our own path to a brighter future. I believe in PEOPLE, not gods, because if we were all united, there's nothing we couldn't do.

For all your ramblings about the power and deeds of great men (excepting, of course, Obama - who you insist is NOT a great man, merely a good speaker), you seem to actually believe mankind capable of very little, without some sort of divine intervention and meddling. Of the two of us, who is it who REALLY believes the worst about people?



And you of all people should be cheering Obama's cancellation of manned space flights as a victory for free speech and free market capitalism everywhere. After all, without these bulky, overreaching "gubmint" programs socializing space flight and screwing everything up, we should have a man on the moon the day after tomorrow, right?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 8:57 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Also, I don't have a negation of belief in any higher power. I just don't need that higher power to be supernatural or otherworldly; our higher power is *US*. PEOPLE are our own best hope for better, our own path to a brighter future. I believe in PEOPLE, not gods, because if we were all united, there's nothing we couldn't do."

Its funny, but I agree with that (to a certain extent.)

Btw, why do you insist on lumping me in with the fundies? Seriously.

Anyways, my "beliefs" are a whole lot simpler.

YOU give 100% to a good and righteous cause, and it isn't enough? Well that "higher power" gives you the extra 10% to get you over the top.

Why? Because the light always cancels the dark. In the end, at least. You just have to stick with it and never give up.

Good will always triumph over evil (in my belief), you just have to hold on.

ETA: I know it sounds really naive...but I've seen it happen so many times in my life that to deny it would be... unseemly.






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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Also, I don't have a negation of belief in any higher power. I just don't need that higher power to be supernatural or otherworldly; our higher power is *US*. PEOPLE are our own best hope for better, our own path to a brighter future. I believe in PEOPLE, not gods, because if we were all united, there's nothing we couldn't do."

Its funny, but I agree with that (to a certain extent.)

Btw, why do you insist on lumping me in with the fundies? Seriously.



Where did I lump you in with them? If anything, YOU lumped you in with them by shitting your panties over my "theological crack" (is that like a priest's version of "plumber's crack"?).

My original response on this issue today was just a snarky wisecracking dig at conservatives AND the religious whackos. It just happens that they tend to be on the same political side. If you think I lumped you in with them, that's between you and your "god", apparently.

Quote:


Anyways, my "beliefs" are a whole lot simpler.

YOU give 100% to a good and righteous cause, and it isn't enough? Well that "higher power" gives you the extra 10% to get you over the top.

Why? Because the light always cancels the dark. In the end, at least. You just have to stick with it and never give up.

Good will always triumph over evil (in my belief), you just have to hold on.

ETA: I know it sounds really naive...but I've seen it happen so many times in my life that to deny it would be... unseemly.



To me, if you've got an extra 10% to give, then you weren't giving 100% to start with; you were giving 90%. That just seems like simple math to me.

If your god helps you do your best, more power to ya. I'm just saying I'm capable of doing my best by relying on myself and other people, and no giant sky-buddy is needed.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:13 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"To me, if you've got an extra 10% to give, then you weren't giving 100% to start with; you were giving 90%. That just seems like simple math to me.

If your god helps you do your best, more power to ya. I'm just saying I'm capable of doing my best by relying on myself and other people, and no giant sky-buddy is needed."

By saying 100%... I meant 100%. Giving 110% is impossible, by its very definition.

An example: That roll of the dice that goes your way, when the odds are so high against it? Thats that extra 10%.

And, btw, I do appreciate your reliance on self.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


That roll of the dice that goes your way isn't the extra 10%; it's a roll of the dice. Chance and probability. It could have gone your way, or not. Even Einstein said that god doesn't play dice with the universe. ;)



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:38 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"That roll of the dice that goes your way isn't the extra 10%; it's a roll of the dice. Chance and probability. It could have gone your way, or not. Even Einstein said that god doesn't play dice with the universe. ;)"

Einstein never saw the things I did.


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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:38 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"That roll of the dice that goes your way isn't the extra 10%; it's a roll of the dice. Chance and probability. It could have gone your way, or not. Even Einstein said that god doesn't play dice with the universe. ;)"

Einstein never saw the things I did.


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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"That roll of the dice that goes your way isn't the extra 10%; it's a roll of the dice. Chance and probability. It could have gone your way, or not. Even Einstein said that god doesn't play dice with the universe. ;)"

Einstein never saw the things I did.




And you never saw the things he did.

You're slipping, son - you've already gone to the "your mom" smack once today, and now you're going with the "it's hard out here for a pimp" rap? That, and playing up being the "victim" of being lumped into a category, when you yourself are the single biggest offender on this board in that regard (lumping everyone into your preconceived categories, that is).

You really seem desperate, and you seem to be flailing around for any comeback.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:00 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"You're slipping, son - you've already gone to the "your mom" smack once today.."

Give me a break... its not that far to believe that YOU would have "Bad Mother Fucker" on your wallet. Besides... Tarantinos flicks have gone downhill since Kill Bill.

"and now you're going with the "it's hard out here for a pimp" rap"

Yes. Yes it is.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"You're slipping, son - you've already gone to the "your mom" smack once today.."

Give me a break... its not that far to believe that YOU would have "Bad Mother Fucker" on your wallet. Besides... Tarantinos flicks have gone downhill since Kill Bill.

"and now you're going with the "it's hard out here for a pimp" rap"

Yes. Yes it is.




Still doesn't explain the "that's between you, your mom, and her whip" quip, does it? I mean, what would my mother have to do with my wallet?

And I thought Inglourious Basterds was pretty awesome, really.
'Course, I like Kill Bill, too. Both volumes.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:05 PM

GINOBIFFARONI








lmao




Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

YOU give 100% to a good and righteous cause, and it isn't enough? Well that "higher power" gives you the extra 10% to get you over the top.

Why? Because the light always cancels the dark. In the end, at least. You just have to stick with it and never give up.

You just answered why he lumps you in with the fundies. Your thinking is just as screwed up as theirs.

Go back to watching your fantasy movies of heroes in white hats, Wulfie, you don't belong among the adults!

Yeah Gino, I see you saw the same cartoons I did...I thought that one was cute!



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Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:30 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Commentary: Rockets Run on Dreams

By James Cameron

http://www.marssociety.org/portal/commentary_cameron/

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Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, they do, and in the past I've been as much for more exploration than anyone. We need our dreams. And I have always particularly loved Cameron's vision...Abyss is one of my all-time favorite movies, and I still enjoy True Lies, despite disliking the Govenator. We need Cameron's vision to keep dreams alive, and to counter too-real visions like District 9.

I'm afraid the way I look at it is that there are dreams and there are dreams, and right now many people's dreams are just having enough to survive, and that has to take precedence. As I said before, however, if he puts it on the back burner for too long, I'll be as pissed as anyone. Here's hoping...



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