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Friday, October 9, 2009 10:47 AM

DREAMTROVE


Seems the awareness is spreading. I don't want vaccination to halt, I think it saves lives, but I really don't want corporations and govt. institutions experimenting on schoolchildren. Thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_on_he_me/us_med_swine_flu_vacci
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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Bad risk.

Mercury limits suspended for H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine to improve access
http://www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2009_news/09-154.htm

WORSE risk.

Plus the adjuvants - and mind you, care to guess WHICH strain of flu I was sick with recently ?

Still here, ain't I ?

And I'm a bit past my sell-by date mind you, my milk of human kindness long since curdled into cheese, extra sharp.

Course, they could secure matters by actually making the damned things safer, but it'd be less profitable.


-F

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:05 AM

MANGOLO


I don't think this vaccine has been vetted enough to have my kids get it. I already had that flu and am in the long recovery.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:
I don't think this vaccine has been vetted enough to have my kids get it. I already had that flu and am in the long recovery.


Ummm,... where did you get this idea that you can think for your own self? March in there, young Mang, and do as you're told.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:55 AM

CHRISISALL


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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:06 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:
I don't think this vaccine has been vetted enough to have my kids get it. I already had that flu and am in the long recovery.


Ummm,... where did you get this idea that you can think for your own self? March in there, young Mang, and do as you're told.



Reminds me of back when we had to fight to get the IPV (inactive Polio) for our eldest kid when most doctors would only give the OPV (live Polio). Now, no doctor I know, gives the OPV.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:11 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:


Reminds me of back when we had to fight to get the IPV (inactive Polio) for our eldest kid

*claps hands*
Good going.
I had to fight to NOT have my newborn Son get a Hep-B shot during his first few breaths.
I just. Said. No. They said it was necessary & policy. I said I knew Kung Fu.
He got that shot at 5 years of age.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:43 PM

RUE

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In sum by looking at various articles, it appears the swine flu is very catchy, but not very deadly. However, due the fact that many people can be expected to be infected, even a low fatality rate translates in thousands of US deaths.

There were many articles about the 'case fatality rate' (unknown) and trying to estimate it from Mexico City, where it was thought millions of people were infected in a 'silent epidemic' but never knew it; to the US where many people tested positive but few died; and other countries.

THIS is where it would be good to have an well-funded international epidemiology team. With money, the team could go to - say Mexico City or Australia - test a large sampling of the population for antibodies, and get an idea of 1) what percentage are infected during an epidemic, and 2) of those infected, how many die (case fatality rate). It would be SO much better than guessing and trying to piecemeal the information together as you are trying to learn about a new disese that is at your doorstep.

That said, yes, the hallmark is that YOUNG people are thought to be more susceptible, possibly due to not having had as many flues, and therefore not as many cross-reacting antibodies that offer partial protection.

Having watched a family member die of pneumonia, I would like to comment that it is an extremely unpleasant way to go. It's like being waterboarded evey single minute for days on end, except you get no reprieve, and you die after all your struggle - hopefully, but not necessarily, while you are unconscious.



Below is an interesting article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-18444-Rochester-Infectious-Disease-Examiner~
y2009m9d27-Swine-Flu-fatality-rate-may-mean-hundreds-of-thousands-of-Americans-to-die


One of the largest unknowns about the current Swine Flu pandemic is the number of people who will die from the effects of the disease. Various fatality rates have been put forth by public health professionals with little real certainty because the pandemic is still in its earliest stages.

Australia suffered its major outbreak in June, July and August, which is their winter. In a nation of about 21 million, they have recorded 36,559 pandemic flu cases and 178 deaths. That results in a fatality rate of 0.49%. The number of recorded cases is lower than the number of actual cases because the Australian authorities are currently following World Health Organization recommendations and only testing certain patients.

The United Kingdom has also been hit hard by the Swine Flu pandemic. It, too, is not testing all probable cases. The public health authorities there report a total of 82 deaths and 13,772 cases. That gives a fatality rate of 0.6%.

Peter Osborn, a high tech entrepreneur and bloggger, has collected a series of sixteen predictions of the pandemic Swine Flu fatality rate. They range from a low of 0.005% to a high of 0.75%. The BBC, on September 3, reported that the authorities in Scotland had lowered their prediction from 0.35% to 0.1%. The journal Eurosurveillance in August published an article suggesting a rate of 0.6%.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the state public health authorities have repeated suggested that 25-33% of all Americans will catch Swine Flu before the pandemic ends. With a population of 307 million, this prediction means that between 76 million and 101 million will become ill with pandemic H1N1. A fatality rate of 0.1% means that 76-101 thousand Americans could die. A higher fatality rate means more deaths.

While all the data has not been collected, it is clear to the CDC and the World Health Organization that certain groups in the population are at greater risk for complications and death from the Swine Flu. The CDC identified this higher risk population as consisting of about 159 million Americans. Pregnant women and young people between the ages of 6 months and 24 years of age, those with compromised immune systems, those who care for infants and emergency services personnel are all in the higher risk category.

The vaccine against pandemic Swine Flu will begin to be distributed in the next several weeks. Americans that fall into a higher risk group should discuss vaccination with a physician. All vaccines carry both risks and benefits and a physician can provide information to make an informed choice.


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Friday, October 9, 2009 3:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

THIS is where it would be good to have an well-funded international epidemiology team. With money, the team could go to - say Mexico City or Australia - test a large sampling of the population for antibodies, and get an idea of 1) what percentage are infected during an epidemic, and 2) of those infected, how many die (case fatality rate). It would be SO much better than guessing and trying to piecemeal the information together as you are trying to learn about a new disese that is at your doorstep.

Much as we disagree about other stuff...

Freakin A, YES - not to mention they need to put some bloody R&D into the damn vaccines themselves!

It's appalling that they've got a march stolen on them (tracking adjuvants as the problem) by a friggin detroit cabbie - someone is asleep at the switch and needs a kick in the ass, so that they DO the job we're payin em for!

-F

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:20 PM

DREAMTROVE


There is a possibility that live vaccines may be increasing the number of outbreaks, which can't be ignored. Also, populations living with HIV will be at a higher risk, which also should be noted, as well as children and the elderly. Taking proper precautions and treatment measures is even more important. If I had kids, I would probably opt against vaccination, unless there was a proven independent epidemic that was definitely not being caused by vaccination, and the vaccine was proven effective, and did not pose secondary risks.

Preferably, a synthetic vaccine could be derived which would not have this problem. It would still have the problem that I now see cropping up with live flu vaccines: The overactive immune response death toll due to giving the vaccine to people who already have the virus.

Thanks for the input. I'm still gnawing this one over, especially after what happened in Africa and the Russia, and seems to keep happening, where vaccination programs are the source of the epidemic.

Some vaccinations might be necessary, infant mortality in primitive societies, like us 100 years ago, very high. Hopefully science will come up with a replacement, like a full on antibody allotment, but until then, we have a balance to work with.

I also see a pattern here where flu panic drives a vaccination program, usually experimental, some of which don't work at all, but many create new flu cases, rinse, repeat.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:42 PM

CHRISISALL


Get sick, take vitamins, drink good water, get better. Repeat as necessary.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:19 AM

RUE

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The body's natural immune response to a virus takes place in stages: first you produce antibodies to proteins on the surface of the virus (in the case of H1N1 aka swine flu, H1 stands for hemagglutanin type 1, one major surface protein , while N1 stands for neuraminidase type 1, the other major surface protein). As the infection evolves you start producing antibodies to deeper structures - DNA/protein, RNA/protein, bits and pieces of virus derived ribosomes etc.

If I were to set up a vaccination program, the first vaccine people would get would be to highly purified surface proteins. The next vaccine would be to a mix of surface proteins and internal proteins known to evoke an antibody response (for example Hepatitis B virus core). The next phase would be killed virus particles. Then, perhaps for the last phase one could innoculate with attenuated live virus, which does seem to evoke a better response than any of the above.

By staging the vaccines, one would presumably allow the most potent final vaccine to be used safely.

Of course, that would be expensive and require good individual records.


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Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:37 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Apply henna markers in regions with poor medical records. Depending on the type of henna, the markings can last months. Presumably, your vaccine period would not require months.

So the doc looks at the arm, notes the mark, administers the correct next stage of the vaccine, and has a new mark added. Before the year is up, all markings disappear- but by then the vaccination cycle is complete.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA


That's friggin brilliant, Anthony.

ETA: Rue's idea loses me on the technical end, but also pretty damn sharp and feasible sounding, mind.

-F

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:21 PM

DREAMTROVE


Kathy,

Targeting surface proteins is what synthetic vaccines is all about. Tony's idea would work with a synthetic vaccine like HepB or HPV.

The bird flu and swine flu "vaccines" are generally vaccine attempts, usually live or boiled, it's primitive tech, and dangerous.

Attacking the core sequencing is what advanced anti-viral drugs do, and this is an excellent way to go, but takes a lot of time and research. I can't see any natural mechanism that you can develop antibodies to DNA, RNA and ribosomes without developing a fatal autoimmune condition. I don't think that this is a normal process of immune response. The immune system responds to surface proteins, it can be designed to trigger on structural proteins and intermediates used to construct the virus. You would need something like a binding SiRNA to actually disable the viral genome, which means you would need a delivery system, and the whole thing would have to be manufactured. It's possible, and probably a good idea, but very difficult.

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Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




New York Nurses Suing State Over Forced Vaccinations
http://www.wten.com/Global/story.asp?S=11299035
http://infowars.net/articles/october2009/131009Nurses.htm

Quote:

"I have had more staff that have become ill after the flu vaccines this year than coworkers that have actually come down with the illness," Lorna Patterson, one of the nurses, told News 10 wten in Albany.


Washington State Nurses Association filed a federal lawsuit against MultiCare Health System for forced vaccinations
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63144732.html

This is why I recommend fighting every traffic ticket, as free law shool on how to win a REAL lawsuit. Traffic court, or any court, is one step away from mortal combat in martial law. Lose the right to win your rights in court, and you ARE in martial law civil war.

Ask nurse Clifford Clark. Oh you can't he just got a lobotomy after 3 strokes, in the middle of winning his criminal trials for NOT shooting a redlight traffic scamera. He was most stressed about recovering his $10,000 guns stolen from his locked safe by crooked cops in Metallica t-shirts.
www.piratenews.org

This is what undercover cops do to nurses who don't follow orders:


This was before the 3 strokes and lobotomy, coincidence?
www.cliffspeaks.com

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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM

DREAMTROVE


I've looked worse, but then I fled the lobotomy, and other treatments that would have led to my downfall

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Friday, October 16, 2009 1:57 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Today on my radio show, I pointed out that pharma companies pay news stations to hype vaccines, to bypass legal requirements in adverts to list deadly side effects.



Doctors Confirm Flu Shot Disabled Pro Cheerleader As Carrey & McCarthy Lend Support
www.prisonplanet.com/doctors-confirm-flu-shot-disabled-woman-as-carrey
-mccarthy-lend-support.html

http://straker-61.blogspot.com/2009/10/giovane-donna-colpita-da-una-gr
ave.html


Top insurer tells 1,000 GPs not to give swine flu vaccine
www.independent.ie/health/swine-flu/top-insurer-tells-1000-gps-not-to-
give-swine-flu-vaccine-1912502.html


Lawsuit seeks to halt US swine flu vaccination campaign
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Lawsuit_seeks_to_halt_US_swine_flu__10152
009.html


Swine Flu Vaccine Propaganda In NY Times' Lessons For 6th Graders
http://infowars.net/articles/october2009/161009Propaganda.htm


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Friday, October 16, 2009 2:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Expect an outbreak of "Zombie' soon after.

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Friday, October 16, 2009 3:27 PM

RUE

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I looked it up. On news sources NOT FUX it is made very clear that SHE thinks she got it from the flu shot, and that SHE claims the doctors think so too - but nowhere does it quote or cite an actual medical opinion.

FUX of course makes no such distinction. SHE says the doctors think so ... must be a valid medical opinion !



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Friday, October 16, 2009 10:07 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The justice is that the flu shot has destroyed the life of an employee of the media mafia.

Which is the only reason it's on TeeVee, since ordinary folk don't count.

Hope that $100/day paycheck as a pro cheerleader was worth it, as the players steal billions from city taxslaves, for propaganda services to protect the kosher banksters from arrest. Bread and circus.




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Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:21 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"The justice is that the flu shot has destroyed the life of an employee of the media mafia."

Hello,

This is someone whose job it is to dance, sing, and do PR at public events.

100 dollars a day is $12.50 if calculated over 8 hours. That's a fair wage where I'm from, and one a lot of people would be glad to get.

So what is it about this person that makes you hate them, Piratenews? What is it about this person that makes you think they deserved it? (Got Justice?)

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:07 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


My point being that cheerleaders are getting ripped off compared to overpaid footballers. Though paying pro footballers $12.50/hour is fine with me.

What about the 1,000s of non-media employees who get disabled by vaccines, why don't they get interviewed on TV? If Jim Carrey and stripper ho Jenny McCarthey hadn't gotten involved, would this cheerleader also be ignored?

Judge Halts Flu Vaccine Mandate For Health Workers
NY Health Care Employees Won't Be Forced To Get H1N1 Vaccine...
http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/mandatory.h1n1.vaccine.2.1252672.
html


College football players read at 2nd grade level
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/FSU-releas
es-NCAA-transcripts-Some-Noles-readi?urn=ncaaf,196189

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Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Got some disturbing news regarding those adjuvants, tracking down some verifications in between rounds...

Apparently the powers that be and their buddys will be getting a vacc WITHOUT adjuvants - which unfortunately lends credence to the whole eugenics/population control theory, which I still don't buy into.

I put this more in the category of how disreputable moonshiners (most of whom were Govt plants) would bulk up their stock with methanol, not caring what it did to their customers (and coincidentally discrediting real shiners) for the sake of profit, while saving the pure stuff for themselves and their friends.

What this'll show though, is the next best thing to outright proof that they KNOW those damned adjuvants are toxic, and as soon as I have any confirmation of this (and it looks like imma hafta pester Justin to find me someone who speaks and reads german) imma be right pissed off about it.

AND that they have the capability to make a much safer vaccine, and don't - which is a very damning thing - and they should be forced to explain themselves about it.

Anyhow, when I know more, so will you.

-F

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Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:33 PM

KAREL

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Do not let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, here's a link - I dunno the quality of the source so far, mind you, as I am unfamiliar with it.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/0,1518,655764,00.html

Ran that through Babelfish though, and it seems to be confirming what I have heard, but again, I've no clue whatsoever of the veracity of the source - I ain't PN, I wanna know the damn facts of it, especially since I been trackin this down in a criminal investigative style fashion since I lack most of the medical and scientific background to come at it from those directions - the ONLY knowledge I have in those fields is in a very narrow swath concerning medical and neurological effects of psychological trauma.

But in light of the evidence, the problem with vaccines isn't the vaccines so much as it is the adjuvants, and if this particular tale here can be confirmed, it's pretty damned implicating, don't you think ?

I am seriously pissed over the Gardasil fiasco, and I have substantial other reasons to be grinding an axe about this, not the least of which is when the capability exists to make an effective vaccine lacking suspect preservatives (Thimerosal) and Adjuvants - why is this not being done ?

Make of it what you will, but I smell a rat here, you see...
And I have a pretty good track record when it comes to such, I just wanna verify the nomenclature of said rodent before I start chewing asses about it cause I wanna make damn sure imma chewin the right ones.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, October 19, 2009 3:41 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Nurse says pig flu shots are deadly:


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Monday, October 19, 2009 8:11 AM

FREMDFIRMA



You want in on this one John, you better up your game, find me the money trail, for starters.

PS. A little shout out to Rue here, who inadvertently assisted in locking in on adjuvants as the problem when it came clear that one of the problematic vaccines (the MMR) didn't contain the suspect preservative (thimerosal) which had been, and still is by folks who've not investigated thoroughly, considered the root cause of these problems.

That's not so say Thimerosal is safe, cause I do not believe it is, but that it is not likely to be the *primary* cause of these reactions and side effects.

I've got more work to do in finding out WHAT adjuvants are in these things and doing cross-compares on the VAERS data, so imma be a bit busy with that for a while, mind.

-F

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Monday, October 19, 2009 1:38 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


That's not so say Thimerosal is safe, cause I do not believe it is, but that it is not likely to be the *primary* cause of these reactions and side effects.

I've got more work to do in finding out WHAT adjuvants are in these things and doing cross-compares on the VAERS data, so imma be a bit busy with that for a while, mind.

-F



Take a good look at Squalene...

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Monday, October 19, 2009 6:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh I have been, nasty stuff, possible link to Gulf War Syndrome and immunodeficiencies, yick.

That and the aluminum stuff crosses up with some of the nastier stuff and by crossref via VAERS, it LOOKS like the aluminum whatever is the likely vector of the Guillain-Barre Syndrome effects.

SOMEONE down at the CDC wasn't asleep at the switch, for once, and I bet the blood on the floor was an inch deep over that one cause the current "approved" H1N1 vaccine *supposedly* doesn't have adjuvants in it - but till I have a more trustworthy source (i.e. an independent lab rather than the FDA or CDC since both have been caught lying on this kinda thing) imma give that the same credence as I did Merck considering an aluminum adjuvant an inactive placebo (Re: Gardasil Trials), you understand.

And yeah, despite all the brouha and promises, of course now that the pressure is off they're going right back to spiking the crap with thimerosal and multi use vials - even going so far as to break their own rules (See Above/Re: Mercury Limit) in order to do it, and regardless of the questionable safety of thimerosal there's also that such is a medically unsafe practice and may risk cross-contamination ?
I mean, theoretically the thimerosal is supposed to prevent that, but damn, why not just go single use and skip over all that bullshit in the first place ?

Vaccine safety and efficiency should be above reproach, not extra risky cause of the greed and chicanery of the folks making them - to do otherwise risks a crisis of confidence in the public health establishment which could be critically devastating in the case of a REAL epidemic outbreak, which this ain't - and the panic mongering is putting them in the position of the boy who cried wolf.

As I am aware, supposedly you *can* demand, and get, an adjuvant-free, thimerosal-free version of the H1N1 flu vaccine make with killed/dead virii - but I'd make double sure cause there seem to be a couple versions going around, one of which is a flu-mist style "let's make sure to infect everyone" live virus nasal shot, which means imma be stayin the hell AWAY from places that give that cause it's almost like ASKING for a major outbreak - our CVS up here utterly refuses to offer it cause that caused all their employees to get horribly, horribly sick (including at least one having to be hospitalized) about two years ago, and the only ones who didn't were the ones who did NOT get it, so the manager is taking no chances given they had to close the store for four days due to lack of employees.

But SO FAR, you can indeed get a reasonably safe version of the H1N1 vacc - the only current questionable thing is in the method of it's manufacture, and the german scientists making a ruckus about it are so far above MY competence in this I can't even make heads or tails out of what the hell they're saying!
(something about cancer/tumor cells in the manufacture process ?)

There's also the question of why bother, but Rue made the point of having immunocompromised folk in her household, which does raise risk factors which have to be addressed for some folk - and that's as much as I got on this, for the time being.

I am also more than a bit pissed at trying to figure this out without any proper education and related background cause something like this is no damned place for on the job training and we pay a helluva lot of tax money to folks down at the FDA and CDC to do exactly what I am trying to do here - and yet they somehow managed to fumble the ball repeatedly over the last ten years to where they cannot be trusted anymore.

I will say that whoever down at the CDC got a clue and made that no-adjuvant call deserves a freakin medal - I'm sure their career is over soon as big pharma finds out who it was, but they did the *right* thing, and that's no small thing, in something like this, you know ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:45 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Friday, October 23, 2009 10:53 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


SEASONAL-FLU SHOTS HALTED IN CANADA TORONTO GLOBE AND MAIL

Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:01 AM By Patrick White

A "perplexing" Canadian study linking the H1N1 virus to seasonal-flu shots is throwing the nation's influenza plans into disarray and straining public faith in the government agencies responsible for protecting Canada's health.

Distributed for peer review last week, the study confounded infectious-disease experts in suggesting that people vaccinated against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu.
With the paper under review, its lead researchers must stay mum until it's published. So far, the study's impact is confined to Canada. Researchers in the United States, Britain and Australia have not reported the same phenomenon.

Met with intense early skepticism both in Canada and abroad, the paper has since persuaded several provincial health agencies to announce hasty suspensions of seasonal-flu vaccinations, long-held fixtures of public health planning.

"It has confused things very badly," said Dr. Ethan Rubinstein, head of adult infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba. "Until last week, there had always been much encouragement to get the seasonal-flu vaccine."

British Columbia announced yesterday that is suspending seasonal-flu shots for anyone younger than 65 years old, joining Quebec, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia in halting the immunizations.

"By the time the H1N1 wave is over, there will be ample time to vaccinate for seasonal flu," Rubinstein said.


http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2009/09/29
/flu.html



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Friday, October 23, 2009 11:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


If you don't want to spread it, wear a mask (that's what the nurses should be doing). If you don't want to catch it, stay home. (Handwashing doesn't work.)

BTW- Rue and I know peeps at our workplaces with swine flu. They're REALLY sick. One had a temp of 105

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Friday, October 23, 2009 11:47 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


A mask has zero effect on virus. PlaCEbo.

My wife has not been allowed to work for a week. She faked illness on her birthday, then found out its mandatory 2 sick days. When she went back she sneezed a little and they kicked her out of the school kitchen for another 3 days, with pay. Use it or lose it.

Students are being served meals in their rooms under quarantine. Seems the sick kids all got the shot.

Most of the schools here are closed due to flu, or flu shots.

Local news is hyping the flu shots, with zero news of the deadly side effects as required on adverts.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 12:12 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"A mask has zero effect on virus."

A mask helps filter (in either direction) the mucus and saliva droplets that contain the virus.

Look at it this way - what would you rather - a person sneezing behind a mask in your direction, or a big spray of snot on your face ?


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Friday, October 23, 2009 1:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, I'd rather they not sneeze LIVE VIRUS at me, I guess a mask would help...

Apparently some places are giving a flu-mist style live shot up the schnozz for H1N1, which'd explain some ramp-up in H1N1 cases, as it has in many east coast schools from what I understand...

But only cause I could even think of for a bump in seasonal as a result would be the people's immune systems dipping as they produced H1N1 antibodies in response to the vaccination - but again, I do not know, way out of my competence zone, that.

I *was* pleased to see that a killed-virus, no adjuvant, single dose (no thimerosal) H1N1 shot was available, very relieved cause my first though was of you and your family, Rue.

If you must, since you have immunocompromised folk in the househould, that's the lowest risk/greatest benefit path to take so far as I know, and I'd like to shake the hand of the CDC folk who made the no adjuvants call.

And yeah, H1N1 is freakin nasty - I've had worse, but not MUCH worse, picked it up at the freakin court testifyin against them would-be burglars, and they had the nerve to drag me back (by accident, since the original testimony and report contained the very things they woulda asked me, and they only realized this after I was there!) sick as all hell with it, and hiding out in a far corner in a ball of misery tryin to not give it to everydamnbody else, yanno ?

As for them places giving live virus flu-mist shots, imma stay far, FAR away from those, I've got a ninety day food supply plus about a four month reserve of less appetising fare, but I ain't goin NEAR them places, nu-uh!

I'm betting, well, hoping, rather, adjuvants go the way of aspartame, just quietly disappear in the dead of night without actually ADMITTING anything... and good riddance to em - since the way the system is set up, calling them out wouldn't help much, sadly.

One thing Obama oughta get on the ball about is cleaning house up at the FDA, that'd be a useful step, especially since medical care and safety is at the forefront of the american consciousness right now.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 23, 2009 2:53 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


New York suspends mandatory flu shots for health workers
www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/23/new.york.flu.vaccine/index.html

FDA, FTC threaten doctor over immune-boosting supplements for H1N1 swine flu
www.infowars.com/fda-ftc-threaten-doctor-over-immune-boosting-suppleme
nts-for-h1n1-swine-flu
/

Farrakhan: H1N1 vaccine developed to kill people
www.digitaljournal.com/article/280790

Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combined, Says CDC Data
www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55956

Quote:

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-Margaret Sanger, founder of Planner Parenthood, December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976

"We believe that within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next five to ten years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could be different in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most importantly, it might be damaging to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. A research program to explore feasibility could be completed in approximately five years at a cost of $10 million. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken, lest it lead to yet another method of mass killing of large populations."
—Dr. Donald MacArthur, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, Department of the Army, Statement of Director, Advanced Research Project Agency, Statement of Director, Defense Research and Engineering, SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENTS HOUSE BILL 15090, UNITED STATES SENATE LIBRARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970. Hearings before a Subcommittee of the APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Ninety-First Congress, first session, July 1, 1969, testimony on June 9, 1969 (FULL TEXT HTML -- JPG Image Scan of HB 15090)
www.umoja-research.com/aids_murder_docs.htm
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.tetrahedron.org
www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

"PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA - The invention relates to a novel pathogenic mycoplasma isolated from patients with Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or patients dying from diseases and symptoms resembling AIDS diseases. The invention further relates to a variety of vaccinations against mycoplasma infection in humans and/or animals."
—US Patent Office, Patent Number 5,242,820, Inventor Stryh-Cheng Lo and American Registry of Pathology in Washington DC, Filed June 6, 1991, continuation date June 18, 1986
www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary in one day, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm



Smallpox "vaccinations" were "the latest technology" over 200 years ago, during the US Revolutionary War, when the British Empire gave bioweaponized smallpox blankets to native americans. "Cowpox pus scrapings" were "the latest technology" 2,000 years ago during the fall of the Roman Empire.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 3:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combined, Says CDC Data

Don't make me hafta sing Monty Python at you again.

Actual education and real access to birth control would solve this problem right handily, did I NOT post a thread (Trojan Man Wins Again) showing exactly that ?

TROJAN MANnnnnnnnnnn!
*Humm-Hmmm, Hmmm-hmmmm!*

-F

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Friday, October 23, 2009 4:13 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


So you want voluntary euthenasia?

No way for a nation to survive that.

Especially when a private "federal" bank is taxing and sucking a nation dry, plus importation of 1 illegal alien for every baby citizen aborted.

No way for old folks to survive that. For every baby killed, and adult must be killed to balance the 2 sets of books for Social Security and all other medical and pension Ponzi schemes.

The goal of contraceptive propaganda is to fool the fools just long enough for their ticking clocks to stop. Oral contraception makes that clock stop a lot sooner, AND its added to the public water supply AND all plastic food containers, with the added side effect of making men turn into women.

Do you want to be a neutered pet of the NWO, eventually put to sleep for your own good, or when your master gets tired of you?

Does that sound right to you?

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Friday, October 23, 2009 5:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I'm talkin about condoms, nimrod - you know, the one method of birth control which puts the decision in the hands of those who should be makin it, the folks doin the humping!

Having one don't mean you GOT to use it, just means you have the option.

I cannot see where you could possibly have any logical or reasonable argument against that.

-F

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Friday, December 10, 2021 6:23 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


These States Have Banned Vaccine Passports
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/which-states-have-ban
ned-vaccine-passports


Just scifi or conspiracy

Alexa spy hiding in a wiretapping device?
https://files.catbox.moe/yogpfc.mp4

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Friday, December 10, 2021 9:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Why would anybody put Alexa in their homes?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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