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Friday, December 4, 2009 6:58 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Kennesaw Georgia was genocided by the Feds in the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain. Now Kennesaw Municipal Corporation requires all residents to own guns, reducing its crime rate by 99% compared to Atlanta's crime rate. Kennesaw was selected by Family Circle magazine as one of the nation's "10 best towns for families".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia


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Friday, December 4, 2009 8:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Can you imagine the uproar if our government sponsored a shooting match for all its citizens, and provided them ammo free of charge, and even issued them weapons?

It's funny - we think America is the greatest nation on Earth, and many credit our 2nd Amendment with that freedom and greatness. It says your government can't STOP you from owning a firearm. Hell, Switzerland doesn't just NOT STOP you from having one - they provide it and pay for your training and ammo! :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Friday, December 4, 2009 11:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Can you imagine the uproar if our government sponsored a shooting match for all its citizens, and provided them ammo free of charge, and even issued them weapons?



Yes, even I was shocked how how smart that is to have a free national shootin match, and how horrific for national security that USA don't do the same.

Note the guy said he'd never let Hitler happen in his county. That requires killing your insane criminal leaders and killing all the insane crooked cops who try to enforce those insane bogus "laws".

US Senator Bob Corker's daughter carjacked today in the DC Victim Disarmament Constitution-Free Zone
www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/dec/03/sen-corkers-daughter-carjacked-washi
ngton-dc-area
/

Corker got busted for hiring dozens of illegal aliens, but of course he didn't forfeit his business or go to prison, like other business had to do in TN. Instead Corker got promoted to Congress.

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Friday, December 4, 2009 11:51 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


It is a different culture, if the US cloned these laws I think it would turn into a wild west movie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland


Gun crime
Further information: Gun violence and Crime in Switzerland

Police statistics for the year 2006[13] records 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms, compared to 69 cases involving bladed weapons and 16 cases of unarmed assault. Cases of assault resulting in bodily harm numbered 89 (firearms) and 526 (bladed weapons). This represents a decline of aggravated assaults involving firearms since the early 1990s. Some 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordinance weapons, the large majority of these being suicides. The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordnance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[14]



34 Gun killings in a year...

69 knife killings in the same year...


New York does this in a week doesn't it ?



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Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, December 4, 2009 12:31 PM

DREAMTROVE


Gino

Ahem

More like LA ;)


Oh, as for Kennesaw aka Big Shanty, the civil war massacre was not the towns first. That would be around 30 years earlier, shortly after the railroad town was built on a township in the recognized sovereign Cherokee Nation, ya missed that step. Of course, the Cherokee had the right to bear arms, but did not have the firepower of the ancestors of the current inhabitants of the town. Relatively unknown is that the Cherokee were relatively "civilized" in western terms, more like the mezo-american civilizations.

Jes sayin

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Friday, December 4, 2009 12:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You couldn't get a much different situation than gun ownership in the two countries of Switzerland and US. interestingly, I believe that the Swiss are doing what the Founding Fathers intended - which was not about stockpiling weapons under your bed to keep your family safe from home invasion by the neighbourhood criminal element, but having a well armed militia. As such, males undergo military training and are then given a weapon to keep at home for military use only. My understanding is that weapons are kept secured separate from ammo and there are a host of rules around how you keep and use them. I would assume that provision for keeping such weapons would be also based on psychological fitness, which means those sort of people who suffer paranoid delusions about ridiculous world conspiracies and spend 24 hours a day on the net telling everyone about them would probably be excluded from ownership.

The Swiss are a law abiding nation, they love laws and rules to the extent that anyone with a vague libertarian bent would probably only last a very short time there.

Germanic cultures seem to like rules and likes to follow them. It's a bit of a stereotype, but anyone who has travelled in Europe knows there are very different attitudes towards laws in different countries. Italy on the other hand, seems to regards laws as 'guidelines only' - perhaps not even that - something that applies to someone else.

Gino, no offense intended if you are of Italian descent.


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Friday, December 4, 2009 2:44 PM

JAMERON4EVA


But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Friday, December 4, 2009 3:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I do have to note that the Swiss tried a "gun free zone" once - and within a month several people were gunned down on the steps thereof, lemme see if I can find a cite for that....

ETA - found the incident, but cannot seem to find a cite for them making the parliment building a weapons-free zone some time prior to that, which I *do* remember cause my first reaction was "no good will come of this".
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/28/world/14-killed-in-attack-on-a-swiss
-legislature.html


Life itself isn't safe though, it's not the weapons that are dangerous, it's the people, and the crazier we make em, the more dangerous they are.

Swiss are overall, a saner folk, and THAT is why the place is safer, not because of the guns, but because of the sanity.

At least do me the favor of putting your fear in the right place, yes ?

-F

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Friday, December 4, 2009 4:26 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22




Unlike the US who continued to sell Steel amongst other war materials to Germany until late 1941, the Swiss broke ties with the Nazis in the mid 1930s.

In 1939, when Britain, France, Canada, etc entered the war against Germany, the Swiss went to %100 mobilization, and political control of the country was turned over to General Henri Guisan... who prepared to face a German invasion, do as much damage to the attacker as possible, then retreat into a prolonged guerrilla campaign.

He made it very clear that Switzerland would resist any Nazi invasion. If they ran out of bullets they were to resort to the bayonet. He said that Switzerland would defend itself against any invader and would never surrender.[4] The Swiss government had a decentralised structure, so even the Federal President was a relatively powerless official with no authority to surrender the country. Indeed, Swiss citizens had been instructed to regard any surrender broadcast as enemy lies and resist to the end

The Swiss airforce shot down many German aircraft which strayed into Swiss territory, and later in the war began to shoot down American bombers who were lost and bombing the wrong country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars


To do anything outrageous would have been national suicide, and pointless. The only way Germany wouldn't have lost the war to the Russians, was if Germany deployed nukes... and even then it is a maybe.

So any way, lots of will... just they pick their fights better than most do.

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

Don't know if that last is true, just thought it a cool story.



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, December 4, 2009 5:23 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:

Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22




Unlike the US who continued to sell Steel amongst other war materials to Germany until late 1941, the Swiss broke ties with the Nazis in the mid 1930s.

In 1939, when Britain, France, Canada, etc entered the war against Germany, the Swiss went to %100 mobilization, and political control of the country was turned over to General Henri Guisan... who prepared to face a German invasion, do as much damage to the attacker as possible, then retreat into a prolonged guerrilla campaign.

He made it very clear that Switzerland would resist any Nazi invasion. If they ran out of bullets they were to resort to the bayonet. He said that Switzerland would defend itself against any invader and would never surrender.[4] The Swiss government had a decentralised structure, so even the Federal President was a relatively powerless official with no authority to surrender the country. Indeed, Swiss citizens had been instructed to regard any surrender broadcast as enemy lies and resist to the end

The Swiss airforce shot down many German aircraft which strayed into Swiss territory, and later in the war began to shoot down American bombers who were lost and bombing the wrong country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars


To do anything outrageous would have been national suicide, and pointless. The only way Germany wouldn't have lost the war to the Russians, was if Germany deployed nukes... and even then it is a maybe.

So any way, lots of will... just they pick their fights better than most do.

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

Don't know if that last is true, just thought it a cool story.



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939



Ahhh... but the Swiss banks were full of STOLEN Jewish Gold and money, all stolen and put there by the Nazi's. And the Swiss used it to fund the country, and they let Nazi's taje the money. So Switzerland, while putting on a face of indifference, was actually supporting the Nazi's.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Friday, December 4, 2009 5:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Ahhh... but the Swiss banks were full of STOLEN Jewish Gold and money, all stolen and put there by the Nazi's. And the Swiss used it to fund the country, and they let Nazi's taje the money. So Switzerland, while putting on a face of indifference, was actually supporting the Nazi's.



Well... yes and no. Did they take Nazi deposits? Sure seems that way. Did they *KNOW* with 100% certainty that the Nazi deposits were ill-gotten? Hard to say. They certainly may have suspected as much.

Are you saying that everybody, everywhere (including right here in your good ol' US-of-fuckin'-A) should have to prove that every nickel they put in their bank is 100% legitimate?

And here I thought you didn't want the government taking more control over your life...


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Friday, December 4, 2009 5:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.



I repeated a version of it above. I rather assume it's anecdotal, but I also assume it has a nugget of truth to it as well.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Friday, December 4, 2009 5:40 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by jameron4eva:
Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:

Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22




Unlike the US who continued to sell Steel amongst other war materials to Germany until late 1941, the Swiss broke ties with the Nazis in the mid 1930s.

In 1939, when Britain, France, Canada, etc entered the war against Germany, the Swiss went to %100 mobilization, and political control of the country was turned over to General Henri Guisan... who prepared to face a German invasion, do as much damage to the attacker as possible, then retreat into a prolonged guerrilla campaign.

He made it very clear that Switzerland would resist any Nazi invasion. If they ran out of bullets they were to resort to the bayonet. He said that Switzerland would defend itself against any invader and would never surrender.[4] The Swiss government had a decentralised structure, so even the Federal President was a relatively powerless official with no authority to surrender the country. Indeed, Swiss citizens had been instructed to regard any surrender broadcast as enemy lies and resist to the end

The Swiss airforce shot down many German aircraft which strayed into Swiss territory, and later in the war began to shoot down American bombers who were lost and bombing the wrong country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars


To do anything outrageous would have been national suicide, and pointless. The only way Germany wouldn't have lost the war to the Russians, was if Germany deployed nukes... and even then it is a maybe.

So any way, lots of will... just they pick their fights better than most do.

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

Don't know if that last is true, just thought it a cool story.



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939



Ahhh... but the Swiss banks were full of STOLEN Jewish Gold and money, all stolen and put there by the Nazi's. And the Swiss used it to fund the country, and they let Nazi's taje the money. So Switzerland, while putting on a face of indifference, was actually supporting the Nazi's.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22



To say it was stolen, or to whom it belonged was and is a matter for the courts. Without clean evidence of wrongdoing it is simply a he said she said sort of situation.

Besides, pre 1946 nobody really gave a damn about the European Jews and their problems...

I could cite several cases where not only was immigration out of Europe was denied, but also cases where people were sent back after trying to get out without a visa...

But that is beside the point, your original post said they did not have the will to employ force, and mine offered the opinion that they did employ force, but more in a strategy that preserved their country rather than commit national suicide for no real gains.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19380820&id=po4LAAAAIBAJ
&sjid=wVQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4890,4569599




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Lets party like its 1939

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 2:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I can't believe that PN is applauding the Templar-founded, highly conformist and tightly regulated nation of secret bankers! I would have thought this would be ground zero for PNs Nazi-Jewish-British- Masonic -whathaveyou conspiracy theory.

PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 7:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with Magon's that Switzerland is far, FAR different from America; the mentalities developed from very different origins and carry on that way. Comparing American gun ownership to Swiss gun ownership is incredibly funny, Any justification, I suppose, but it's a fallacious one' there is no comparison.

I also disagree about Switzerland and Nazi money. I don't think it requires courts or "proof" to know it was done; how many works of art have been salvaged from Switzerland and proven to originally belong to Jewish families? In wartime all nations loot, and I don't doubt tons of it landed in protected Swiss banks.

And absoforkinglootely:
Quote:

PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.





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Saturday, December 5, 2009 7:46 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

I agree with Magon's that Switzerland is far, FAR different from America; the mentalities developed from very different origins and carry on that way. Comparing American gun ownership to Swiss gun ownership is incredibly funny, Any justification, I suppose, but it's a fallacious one' there is no comparison.

I also disagree about Switzerland and Nazi money. I don't think it requires courts or "proof" to know it was done; how many works of art have been salvaged from Switzerland and proven to originally belong to Jewish families? In wartime all nations loot, and I don't doubt tons of it landed in protected Swiss banks.

And absoforkinglootely:
Quote:

PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.



Yes, Swiss govt gives each MALE citizen a full-auto assault rifle, with ammo. Too bad it's a 22-caliber. USA has never won a war since it switched to 22.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_SG_550

In USA the feds tax you to death for a full-auto machine gun ($250 license every 3 years?), and certainly don't give you a free gun with free ammo. Obviously very different than USA.

NWO Jew World Odor banksters have owned the planet since at least before WW2 via their private "govt" bank monopoly. Switzerland is their banking citadel. That's why no nation was allowed to invade during WW2, and why its the only nation that "trusts" its citizens with guns (trusts them to die as slaves if any uppity nation tries to stop the banksters).

My grandmother was Swiss, and I lived in Germany and England for 8 years. I'd never go back, partly for fear of arrest (no free speech allowed), partly fear of sabotage (ask Richard Tomlinson about Swissair 111). My job in USAF was nuking England and West Germany. Dead men tell no truths.

So until the Euros arrest their dictators and chop their heads off, and allow concealed carry, I'll hunker in my bunker is USSA. I've got plenty of guns and ammo, thank you very much.

As for my website, it's hosted in UK. Probably an MI6 server farm.

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:58 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree with Magon's that Switzerland is far, FAR different from America; the mentalities developed from very different origins and carry on that way. Comparing American gun ownership to Swiss gun ownership is incredibly funny, Any justification, I suppose, but it's a fallacious one' there is no comparison.

I also disagree about Switzerland and Nazi money. I don't think it requires courts or "proof" to know it was done; how many works of art have been salvaged from Switzerland and proven to originally belong to Jewish families? In wartime all nations loot, and I don't doubt tons of it landed in protected Swiss banks.

And absoforkinglootely:
Quote:

PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.







It became a matter for the courts in all the other country's where this loot ended up...

I think it would be wrong to condemn the swiss to a different standard...

Nazi loot in UK set to be returned
http://www.elginism.com/20090713/2240/

Austria's Nazi loot on show
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7879588.stm

Arnold Schwarzenegger hands back Nazi loot
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/apr/12/nazi-jewish-renaiss
ance-paintings-california


Government accepts Nazi Loot Panel's advice that drawings seized by Gestapo in 1939 but currently in UK museum must be returned to heirs of original owner

http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/media_releases/2223.aspx


Of course, todays loot is more complex than gold coins or artwork, but it is still loot

A Balkanised Iraq is Easier to Loot

http://afpakwar.com/blog/2009/11/16/a-balkanised-iraq-is-easier-to-loo
t
/


An interesting link... history of looted art

includes Afghan art, Iraqi art, legal fights to reclaim art from US museums, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looted_art



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Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:10 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


In November, Switzerland voted to ban the construction of new minarets, the towerlike structures that adorn mosques. A week or so later, in an apparent act of defiance, a new minaret unexpectedly sprang up here.But the new minaret is not attached to a mosque; this small town near Geneva doesn't even have one. And it's not the work of a local Muslim outraged by Switzerland's controversial vote to ban the structures, which often are used to launch the call to prayer.[drawing Miranet Tower top]Instead, Bussigny's minaret is attached to the warehouse of a shoe store called Pomp It Up, which is part of a Swiss chain. It was erected by the chain's owner, Guillaume Morand, who fashioned it out of plastic and wood and attached it to a chimney. The new minaret, nearly 20 feet high and illuminated at night, is clearly visible from the main highway connecting Lausanne and Geneva."The referendum was a scandal," Mr. Morand said recently at his cavernous warehouse, near pallets piled high with shoe boxes as pop music played on an old stereo system. "I was ashamed to be Swiss. I don't have the power to do much, but I wanted to give a message of peace to Muslims."


The jihad response in thanks?
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/01/12/mohammedan-madness-spreads-to-alger
ia-church-looted-torched-christians-arrested/#more-42438

Quote:

Imagine if people in Western Europe, the US or Australia would firebomb the mosques and arrest all Mohammedans who carry a Koran!

Mohammedans do it all the time, and the world yawns:

Muslims desecrate and torch church in Algeria, Christians arrested for carrying bibles

ALGIERS, Algeria – Islamists looted and burned a Protestant church in Algeria, the congregation’s leader said Monday, suggesting they were inspired by a recent spate of religious intolerance in the Arab and Muslim world.

The church — hosted in an apartment block in the city of Tizi Ouzou some 100 kilometers (60 miles) east ofAlgiers, the Algerian capital — was ransacked and set ablaze on Saturday night, several Algerian newspapers said.

The independent El Watan daily published a picture of a smoldering pile of pulpits and desks that had been brought outside for destruction. It quoted the pastor of the local Pentecostal community, Mustapha Krireche, as saying worshippers fled the temple because local police had left a gathering of anti-Christian rioters unchecked.


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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Think I got as far as Jew Banksters own the world, or somesuch, then I stopped reading.

And Gino, I didn't see any articles there about the Swiss returning stuff...maybe they did/do, I don't know, and I don't hold them to a higher standard, I have just heard too many stories about them not being willing to return stuff that was stolen by the Nazis. Totally subjective opinion.





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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:55 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

I would assume that provision for keeping such weapons would be also based on psychological fitness, which means those sort of people who suffer paranoid delusions about ridiculous world conspiracies and spend 24 hours a day on the net telling everyone about them would probably be excluded from ownership.


Magonsdaughter, I know that was probably a snark, but this suggestion overlooks whether said crazy people want to use the guns to fulfill delusions of grandeur or to "prevent" the global conspiracy from coming to pass by shooting up a Taco Bell. As an admittedly crazy conspiracy theorist, I feel you have unfairly lumped me with a more unstable crowd.

I have no interest in owning or operating a gun, nor do I think shooting any one person (or anyone in general) would stop any of the global conspiracies I believe in. Really, the opposite, I see murder and violence as playing into the hands of TPTB.

But if you told me and people like me simply CAN'T own guns because of what those other people theoretically might do, I might take issue. Mostly because it can be completely subjective whether someone is "harmless" and false positives for psychological problems are increasingly easy to obtain.

A better method would be to rely on the local community and their assessment of whether someone can be trusted with a firearm. Assuming you HAVE a community, and not personal isolation and apathy in a sea of people like most cities. But then, maybe we should be working to redevelop a strong sense of community in cities anyway, because it's one of the best crime deterrents out there.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Byte:
Quote:

But then, maybe we should be working to redevelop a strong sense of community in cities anyway, because it's one of the best crime deterrents out there.
Damned straight. But trying to get a reading from the community wouldn't work, I'm afraid. Look at all the neighbors who were shocked by that guy who kept the woman in his basement...and so many others where they interview the neighbors and they say "He seemed like such a nice guy..."

AND there's the communities who get a grudge because one neighbor cuts down a tree or complains all the time or whatever; the community might well say things about him that are erroneous, yes? I agree that developing a strong sense of communit would be very helpful in deterring crime, but I wouldn't trust my neighbors to say I was sane enough to own a gun...!



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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:12 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Think I got as far as Jew Banksters own the world, or somesuch, then I stopped reading.





Everybody knows all top Nazis were Khazar AshkeNAZI fake non-semitic jews. Hitler was heir to the kosher Rothschild banking empire, richest on planet Earth including current ownership of USA via the private "Federal" Reserve Bank scam that keeps all US income taxes.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=hitler+nazi+rot
hschild+mind+brain&aq=f&oq=&aqi
=

Jews own 100% of the private "Federal" Reserve Bank
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/federalreservesystem28mar09.shtml

Jews in USA and UK banned jews from immigration from Nazi Germany unless they paid $1-million ransom, in order to justify invention of Israel after WW2.

British jew banksters seize ALL bank accounts in Iceland 2009/2010 to bailout kosher derivative ponzi scams
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=iceland+britain
+bank+accounts&aq=f&oq=&aqi
=

Most jews are insane genetically damaged East-European white psychopaths descended from psychopath massmurderer Genghis KHAN, not from King David and Satanic King Soloman.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=khazar+jews&aq=
f&oq=&aqi=g1g-m1


The biggest danger Sephardic (Semitic) real jews have to worry about is genocide from Khazar fake jews, especially in Israel, where Sephardic Semitic jews are treated as slaves, and 100,000 Sephardic kids were genocided in radiation "experiments".
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-ringworm-children.html



Quote:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races, as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to Kenneset

"The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews" by Rabbi Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, 9 Nov 2009
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/updated-version-of-the-com
plete-guide-to-killing-non-jews
/

British court indicts Israeli minister for warcrimes against Semites in Israel
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41155

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&sub
ContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y


It's a felony to preach Christianity OR JUDAISM in Israel
http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/christian-persecution-aler
t-messianic-jews-arrested-in-israel
/

Israeli Law of Return only allows citizenship for jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Obama Feeling the Jewish Hate in Jerusalem
http://video:%20www.tu.tv/videos/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem-on-eve-
of


The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm



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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:21 AM

BYTEMITE


I often think these people who are so "shocked" by their neighbors wrongdoing are 1) not paying attention, and 2) isolated in their own little worlds, too much to actually know anything about their neighbors. The most often exclamation of shock I've seen is "but they seemed so quiet, I passed them on the street one or twice and they seemed nice." It's still an issue of apathy and people becoming more and more cut-off from their fellow humanity because of the system we've built and the way things are heading.

The people bearing false testimony against their neighbors is another issue, but related and equally ingrained in our society. It's the sociopathic tendencies we've been developing because turning in other people gets us something WE want. Maybe we don't like them, and it's pure retribution spite, maybe we want their house, their wife/husband, their job. There's always motivation in cases like this.

But really, to do this to someone, to do wrong just because we don't like someone or because it's for our own gain is obviously not good. I think people could rise above some of these jealous tendencies if they weren't ENCOURAGED by society to have them. What we need to be encouraging is empathy. If you can imagine the consequences of your behaviour, and also imagine how it might affect YOU in that place, then people I think would not be so quick to take advantage of other people.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:23 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World"

homogeneous population
not much poverty
small country



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Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:39 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Imma have to throw better mental health and saner child rearing practices on that pile as well, Rue.

But yeah, much as I am a staunch defender of the right to bear arms, it really has jack damn all to do with why Switzerland or anyone else is less violent than us - it's mostly that they are CULTURALLY less violent than us, and american mental health and social interaction is amongst the most horrifying on the planet to anyone who really understands those issues on a wider scope.

-F

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Rue's got it. Add to that:

Good education.



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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ah, see below.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:29 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:

I would assume that provision for keeping such weapons would be also based on psychological fitness, which means those sort of people who suffer paranoid delusions about ridiculous world conspiracies and spend 24 hours a day on the net telling everyone about them would probably be excluded from ownership.


Magonsdaughter, I know that was probably a snark, but this suggestion overlooks whether said crazy people want to use the guns to fulfill delusions of grandeur or to "prevent" the global conspiracy from coming to pass by shooting up a Taco Bell. As an admittedly crazy conspiracy theorist, I feel you have unfairly lumped me with a more unstable crowd.

I have no interest in owning or operating a gun, nor do I think shooting any one person (or anyone in general) would stop any of the global conspiracies I believe in. Really, the opposite, I see murder and violence as playing into the hands of TPTB.

But if you told me and people like me simply CAN'T own guns because of what those other people theoretically might do, I might take issue. Mostly because it can be completely subjective whether someone is "harmless" and false positives for psychological problems are increasingly easy to obtain.

A better method would be to rely on the local community and their assessment of whether someone can be trusted with a firearm. Assuming you HAVE a community, and not personal isolation and apathy in a sea of people like most cities. But then, maybe we should be working to redevelop a strong sense of community in cities anyway, because it's one of the best crime deterrents out there.



It wasn't meant to be a for you or based on anything you have said. Sorry if I caused offence.

For those who post conspiracies that mask their hatred for other races or ethnic groups, I make no such apology.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:47 PM

BYTEMITE


No offense taken, I just wanted to point out that not everyone who's crazy is violent.

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Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, I know that. I was clarifying that Switzerland isn't a free for all gun toting paradise that PirateMisinformation was trying to claim. It is in fact a highly regulated society which demands a fair degree of conformity from its citizens. Guns are not available freely, they form part of a host of civil obligations required of the citizens. I was pointing out what I believed would be swiss law.
Most military organisations undertake some sort of psychological assessment of would-be-recruits to determine their fitness for combat. Someone who suffers from delusions would probably be excluded. And if you don't serve, you don't get the weapon.

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Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:50 PM

BYTEMITE


You probably have the right of it, though in that case a problem persists in that depending on the political group in power, political dissidents could theoretically be declared "delusional" simply for their ideological alignment and beliefs. Which could make it a bad thing when the people who have been armed march into town.

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Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yes, that's true. A tyrannical government may declare it's citizens 'delusional' based on political motives, just like lack of laws or conditions around gun ownership may mean that violent or crazy people get hold of weapons.

I'd be happy with some middle ground here.

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Tuesday, May 2, 2023 7:54 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Piratenews forme was crazy but sometimes he did stumble upon a truth or make some point


Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings
https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deat
hs-2018-2


Almost in the heart of Europe, Federal assembly Republic and direct democracy rule, a Confederation, is a landlocked country located at the confluence of Western, Central and Southern EuropeSwitzerland is not as safe and unified as it used to be

It is however rich, the people respect Law and Order, it has good education, it has many languages and multiple ethnic groups but they share a common heritage or culture.

Switzerland works and functions and unified as a multi culture but other places do not work

the jihad Muzzie types going crazy in Europe or Asia or Africa

Top Muslim leader arrested over 2019 Easter attacks in Sri Lanka
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/top-muslim-leader-arrest
ed-over-2019-easter-attacks-in-sri-lanka


Islamabad? Baghdad? NO…Birmingham, England
https://barenakedislam.com/2023/04/29/islamabad-bagdad-no-birmingham-e
ngland
/

UK: Muslim police officer once hailed as role model used cadet program as ‘playground’ for sexual abuse of boys
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/05/uk-muslim-police-officer-once-haile
d-as-role-model-used-cadet-program-as-playground-for-sexual-abuse-of-boys


islamic State Central Africa Province lists spoils taken from Christians in DR Congo, including slaves
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/05/islamic-state-central-africa-provin
ce-lists-spoils-taken-from-christians-in-dr-congo-including-slaves


Contrasted to Wei'-Murica


'Illegal Immigrant Who Shot 5 Neighbors To Death in Texas Still at Large
Biden is bringing in an army of them. He’s literally cutting new paths for them'

https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/1653368276112556034

Chicago shootings: At least 27 shot, 5 fatally, in weekend gun violence across city, police say
https://abc7chicago.com/shootings-in-chicago-this-weekend-today-austin
-shooting/13197780
/

4 Fatally Shot In California In Latest US Mass Killing
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/1/4-found-dead-in-mojave
-california-in-latest-us-mas
/

Dindu Nuffins want to be car hijackers shoot pregnant woman who was shot multiple times outside a convenience store

Carjackers shoot pregnant woman 7 times, killing her unborn child
https://nitter.cutelab.space/CatchUpFeed/status/1652978324329861122

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1652978324329861122

maybe the BLM Marxist mobs, they will go out against Law and Order and burn down their own cities for George Floyd

and

The suspect continued to violently attack Sgt. Reynolds while she was unconscious. During the violent assault, a witness attempted to intervene, and she was attacked by Wright who then left just moments before additional officers arrived to the scene. OKCPD officers assigned to the Violent Crimes Apprehension Team (VCAT) arrested Wright hiding in a laundry room at an apartment complex in the 2200-block of N. Meridian several hours after the incident. Wright is currently in custody at the Oklahoma County Detention Center on a $10,000,000 bond. He faces charges of aggravated assault on an officer, domestic assault and battery by strangulation and disrupting an emergency phone call

youtube.com / watch?v=0cfEVe3CCXU

Dindoo Nuffins!

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0cfEVe3CCXU

Wuz gud boi !!

https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=0cfEVe3CCXU

NYPD officer dies 33 years after he was shot in a robbery
https://www.kolotv.com/2023/05/01/nypd-officer-dies-33-years-after-he-
was-shot-robbery
/

spent more than three decades in a vegetative state after being shot

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