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Iran's nuclear intentions?

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Monday, December 14, 2009 12:23 PM

KPO

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:18 AM

DREAMTROVE


Iran's nuclear intentions are obvious and already well covered ground as well. I forget who said it, but:

Have the ability to build or fire a nuke as a deterrent to incessant threats to invade or bomb Iran.


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Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:58 AM

KPO

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Iran passed a UN deadline on thursday (apparently):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/jan/03/obama-talks-terror-i
ran-yemen


Quote:

~Iran, however, remains problematic. Tehran's quest for a domestic nuclear programme, and international efforts to prevent it from developing weapons, will this week enter into a new phase of diplomatic brinkmanship.

Last week, tens of thousands of supporters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime demonstrated in Tehran in organised protests against foreign interference in Iran's affairs.

Less remarked on was the fact that a deadline for Iran to accept a UN-brokered deal passed on Thursday and raised the prospect of a fresh round of sanctions against Tehran. The country is already under three sets of UN sanctions for its programme of uranium enrichment, the process that can eventually lead to making the key components of an atomic bomb.

Instead a senior Iranian figure said the west had just one month to come up with a better deal for it to swap its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel. The international community had to decide whether it will accept Iran's conditions, otherwise "Tehran will enrich uranium to a higher level," Manouchehr Mottaki, Iran's foreign minister, was quoted as saying on state television. "This is an ultimatum," he added.

Many experts, however, think any resolution to the situation is unlikely. Critics of Tehran have alleged that the regime is using negotiations as a delaying tactic while it pursues its nuclear weapons ambitions. They say that much of the programme remains shrouded in secrecy and doubt the country's stated peaceful intentions, accusing it instead of wanting to build a bomb.

Israel, which has been repeatedly threatened by Iran, has said it will not tolerate Iran becoming a nuclear power and Israeli hawks have often raised the prospect of using a military strike to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Most western diplomats believe such an attack would be a disaster that could ignite a much wider Middle Eastern conflict.



Next move, more sanctions?

Heads should roll

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 8:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged
/

Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda pushed as "news" by the pro-war echo chamber wouldn't be so easy for folk who did not know in advance...

And remember, Niger Yellowcake, Kuwati Incubator Story, Iraq WMD - the "reliable sources" are anything BUT reliable, and often as not lying on purpose, so it's a wonder to me that anyone believes them, ever.

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:24 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


I have been reading a great book on US - middleeast policy and history which explains thing in great detail... really recommend it

and if you put yourself in the other guys shoes you see why Americans are so disliked other there



http://www.amazon.ca/American-Raj-America-Muslim-World/dp/1554702216

I could type some of it here if anyone wants to discuss it



Frem said " And remember, Niger Yellowcake, Kuwati Incubator Story, Iraq WMD - the "reliable sources" are anything BUT reliable, and often as not lying on purpose, so it's a wonder to me that anyone believes them, ever. "

and others... many of the US intel sources have been inventing exactly what the US wants to hear, in order to get the US to act in ways that benefit them, for the money the US pays out, or simply to gain influence

when intel sources are anti Iranian groups who are fed the intel they are passing along from the Mossad... well " reliable " is out the window.



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Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:33 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Iran passed a UN deadline on thursday (apparently):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/jan/03/obama-talks-terror-i
ran-yemen


Quote:

~Iran, however, remains problematic. Tehran's quest for a domestic nuclear programme, and international efforts to prevent it from developing weapons, will this week enter into a new phase of diplomatic brinkmanship.

Last week, tens of thousands of supporters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime demonstrated in Tehran in organised protests against foreign interference in Iran's affairs.

Less remarked on was the fact that a deadline for Iran to accept a UN-brokered deal passed on Thursday and raised the prospect of a fresh round of sanctions against Tehran. The country is already under three sets of UN sanctions for its programme of uranium enrichment, the process that can eventually lead to making the key components of an atomic bomb.

Instead a senior Iranian figure said the west had just one month to come up with a better deal for it to swap its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel. The international community had to decide whether it will accept Iran's conditions, otherwise "Tehran will enrich uranium to a higher level," Manouchehr Mottaki, Iran's foreign minister, was quoted as saying on state television. "This is an ultimatum," he added.

Many experts, however, think any resolution to the situation is unlikely. Critics of Tehran have alleged that the regime is using negotiations as a delaying tactic while it pursues its nuclear weapons ambitions. They say that much of the programme remains shrouded in secrecy and doubt the country's stated peaceful intentions, accusing it instead of wanting to build a bomb.

Israel, which has been repeatedly threatened by Iran, has said it will not tolerate Iran becoming a nuclear power and Israeli hawks have often raised the prospect of using a military strike to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Most western diplomats believe such an attack would be a disaster that could ignite a much wider Middle Eastern conflict.



Next move, more sanctions?

Heads should roll




The thing is either offer them something substantial ( not just threats or sanctions ) or shut up and walk away. Iran will not be bullied, nor have they violated any treaties...

they see the " punishment " regime as the bullshit it is, they have the same rights as their neighbors... Israel, Pakistan, and India to build nuclear weapons if they so choose.... so why not sanction them as well ?

Bush signed deals which provides India with reactor fuel from the US, which makes more Indian fuel available for weapons...

double standards everywhere on this issue







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Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S. :)

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S. :)

What if I love Persephone & hate Earth?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 7:36 AM

KPO

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I should make it clear that I'm not trying to beat the drum for war here (I'm not in favour of war), just pointing out something I see as a Real World 'storm on the horizon'.

Quote:

Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged
/

Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda


I think the article you linked is propaganda: "U.S. intelligence has concluded..." - by 'U.S intelligence' it means a former CIA guy 17 years out of the service, with unidentified 'sources' and his own clear political agenda:

“'The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,' Giraldi said."

Quote:

Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S.


Or of loving Iran just for hating the U.S, and being willing to overlook all of Iran's faults and abuses, even those far worse than the U.S's. George Galloway Syndrome.


Heads should roll

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 8:35 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
I should make it clear that I'm not trying to beat the drum for war here (I'm not in favour of war), just pointing out something I see as a Real World 'storm on the horizon'.

Quote:

Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged
/

Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda


I think the article you linked is propaganda: "U.S. intelligence has concluded..." - by 'U.S intelligence' it means a former CIA guy 17 years out of the service, with unidentified 'sources' and his own clear political agenda:

“'The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,' Giraldi said."

Quote:

Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S.


Or of loving Iran just for hating the U.S, and being willing to overlook all of Iran's faults and abuses, even those far worse than the U.S's. George Galloway Syndrome.


Heads should roll




Which faults and abuse do you refer to ?

lets look at a West - Iran timeline to see why Iran may feel some hostility towards the West

1941 Iran invaded by Britain and Soviet Union
( reason, we think this neutral country might support Germany )

1946 Mohammed Reza Pahlavi installed as Shah

1951 Iran elects Dr Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister turning Iran into a democracy

1953 Mossadegh overthrown in a joint US British operation, Shah reistalled

1960s - 1970s Iranians suffer food shortages and poverty while the Shah provides the west with price controlled oil. Irans elite move Billions of dollars offshore while using the US and Israeli trained Savak intelligence service to torture and suppress any and all opposition groups

1979 Revolution in Iran

1980 - 1988 Supplied and Financed by the US Saddam Hussein invades Iran. Using Western provided cluster munitions, mustard and nerve gases Iran loses 500,000 dead, and another 750,000 seriously wounded or crippled in their defense.

1988 - present Irans economy has been the target of near crippling sanctions driven by the US

Iran has a unique system of government, but even with its faults is much more democratic than Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/iran_power/html/d
efault.stm




Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 9:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Actually, imma top that, having recently read an excellent piece by Ray McGovern, I think, involving how our supposed intel agencies run over even presidents cause no one seems to have the balls to stop them.
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2009/122209McGovern.shtml

Case in point, as McGovern has dug up for us, a 1963 editorial written by Truman himself, which was only printed in the early edition as the CIA forced the paper to pull it within minutes of hearing about it.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.h
tml


So it really does beg the question of who is REALLY in charge, when they can make demands of, and ignore orders from, our supposed highest authority.

And just how many subpeanos is the USDOJ currently laughing off, hmm ?

I already had my say on that, and still think that the CinC is well within his right to order military action against them assholes at Langley if they don't toe the line, cause they're to my mind more dangerous terrorists and a greater threat to our nation and it's people than any other.

-F

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 10:39 AM

KPO

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Quote:

Which faults and abuse do you refer to ?


Iran's...

Quote:

lets look at a West - Iran timeline to see why Iran may feel some hostility towards the West

You can't blame all of the faults and abuses of Iran's government on the West's past behaviour.

Quote:

Iran has a unique system of government, but even with its faults is much more democratic than Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt

Keep thinking about it, reading up, and watching the news. You might arrive at a moment of clarity where you see elements in Iran's regime and society that are just as or even more ugly than what you hate the U.S for.

You take the side of anyone if it's against the U.S, even if the U.S has the rest of the international community on its side and you are defending an international pariah. Hence 'George Galloway Syndrome'.

Heads should roll

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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:19 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Which faults and abuse do you refer to ?


Iran's...

Quote:

lets look at a West - Iran timeline to see why Iran may feel some hostility towards the West

You can't blame all of the faults and abuses of Iran's government on the West's past behaviour.

Quote:

Iran has a unique system of government, but even with its faults is much more democratic than Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt

Keep thinking about it, reading up, and watching the news. You might arrive at a moment of clarity where you see elements in Iran's regime and society that are just as or even more ugly than what you hate the U.S for.

You take the side of anyone if it's against the U.S, even if the U.S has the rest of the international community on its side and you are defending an international pariah. Hence 'George Galloway Syndrome'.

Heads should roll



What I am saying is years of misguided US foreign policy has created this situation, as well as many others which make up this current mess.

If world peace is going to happen, I submit the first change which need to happen are with that US foreign policy,

Now point out the specific faults you are finding so wrong to justify this policy,

The history of US intervention in Iran alone would justify the desire for a nuclear deterrent, not to mention they have Israel, Pakistan, and India to content with... ( all nuclear powers )

I have pointed out their system is much more democratic that the primary US allies in the region, despite efforts to subvert and overthrow that government. The current demonstrations and unrest are another example as any similar demonstrations are banned and all participants subject to arrest in Saudi Arabia, and are highly restricted in Egypt


Iran has problems yes, but any actions taken by the US has made those problem worse... Show me an example otherwise.

Or do you feel the US has the right to step in and change any society they have issue with... ( actually pick and choose by society and not by issue as their close allies seem to consistently have worse records with the same issues )


You seem to be calling me biased because I disagree with you, prove me wrong



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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 12:53 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Actually, imma top that, having recently read an excellent piece by Ray McGovern, I think, involving how our supposed intel agencies run over even presidents cause no one seems to have the balls to stop them.
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2009/122209McGovern.shtml

Case in point, as McGovern has dug up for us, a 1963 editorial written by Truman himself, which was only printed in the early edition as the CIA forced the paper to pull it within minutes of hearing about it.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.h
tml


So it really does beg the question of who is REALLY in charge, when they can make demands of, and ignore orders from, our supposed highest authority.

And just how many subpeanos is the USDOJ currently laughing off, hmm ?

I already had my say on that, and still think that the CinC is well within his right to order military action against them assholes at Langley if they don't toe the line, cause they're to my mind more dangerous terrorists and a greater threat to our nation and it's people than any other.

-F



Here is something... sort of related

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/01/20101518713383498.h
tml


US spies in Afghanistan 'ignorant'



A senior US military intelligence official in Afghanistan has lambasted Washington's spy networks calling them ignorant of the situation in the country.

Major General Michael Flynn, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence for the US and its Nato allies in Afghanistan, said in a report on Tuesday that the intelligence services were out of touch with the Afghan people.

In the report published by the think-tank the Centre for New American Security, Flynn said that the intelligence community had been only "marginally relevant to the overall strategy" in Afghanistan since the war began eight years ago.

He said that US intelligence officials in the country were "ignorant of local economics and landowners, hazy about who the powerbrokers are and how they might be influenced ... and disengaged from people in the best position to find answers

continues



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Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:31 PM

KPO

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Now point out the specific faults you are finding so wrong to justify this policy

The UN policy of opposition to a nuclear Iran? It's justified by the fact that a nuclear-armed Iran would be dangerous and destabilising to the region and the world, possibly triggering a whole middle-eastern arms race and just generally dealing another blow to the movement for nuclear disarmament/non-proliferation.

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The history of US intervention in Iran alone would justify the desire for a nuclear deterrent, not to mention they have Israel, Pakistan, and India to content with... ( all nuclear powers )

So are you happy to see a nuclear-armed Iran? Or do you *want* to see a nuclear-armed Iran? Are you happy to see a civilian nuclear programme in Iran, and trust them to be entirely peaceful about it?

Because being cynical about Western nuclear arsenals/track record on world peace is one thing, but actively championing the nuclear rights of a country with an ugly regime like Iran's is another matter.

Heads should roll

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Posted by KPO:

Or of loving Iran just for hating the U.S, and being willing to overlook all of Iran's faults and abuses, even those far worse than the U.S's. George Galloway Syndrome.



By the same token, couldn't it be said of you that you love the U.S. JUST FOR hating Iran, and are willing to overlook all of America's faults and abuses, even those far worse than Iran's?




Mike

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:51 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Now point out the specific faults you are finding so wrong to justify this policy

The UN policy of opposition to a nuclear Iran? It's justified by the fact that a nuclear-armed Iran would be dangerous and destabilising to the region and the world, possibly triggering a whole middle-eastern arms race and just generally dealing another blow to the movement for nuclear disarmament/non-proliferation.

Quote:

The history of US intervention in Iran alone would justify the desire for a nuclear deterrent, not to mention they have Israel, Pakistan, and India to content with... ( all nuclear powers )

So are you happy to see a nuclear-armed Iran? Or do you *want* to see a nuclear-armed Iran? Are you happy to see a civilian nuclear programme in Iran, and trust them to be entirely peaceful about it?

Because being cynical about Western nuclear arsenals/track record on world peace is one thing, but actively championing the nuclear rights of a country with an ugly regime like Iran's is another matter.

Heads should roll



Hell the US was happy about it when a despot like the Shah was running Iran...

Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz were all involved in trying to sell them US reactors

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2067

and your calling them an ugly regime ?

they are fairly democratic next to the principal US allies in the area...

I would argue the constant US attacks on Iran have been " dangerous and destabilising to the region and the world "

" and trust them to be entirely peaceful about it? "

Haven't seen them start any wars in the last... century is it? I'd have to say I'd trust them more than Pakistan, India or Israel.


and now as the US is loosing its economic power, soon we will see how other countrys really feel...

How much do you know about Iran and it's people ?

I'm more than cynical about anything coming from the UN lately, many think of it as a US puppet body, and many of their actions would prove that right.





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Thursday, January 7, 2010 3:03 PM

KPO

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By the same token, couldn't it be said of you that you love the U.S. JUST FOR hating Iran, and are willing to overlook all of America's faults and abuses, even those far worse than Iran's?

Nah, because my backing US attempts to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is not equivalent to Gino backing Iran's attempts to *acquire* nuclear weapons.

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 3:31 PM

KPO

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Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz were all involved in trying to sell them US reactors

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2067

and your calling them an ugly regime ?



I don't trust your source to provide reliable facts/analysis. Any more mainstream news providers (or less agenda-driven) reports on this?

Quote:

they are fairly democratic next to the principal US allies in the area...

You'll notice I've stayed clear of this argument, mainly because none of those US allies are pursuing nuclear programmes. I would be just as alarmed if some of them did (like Yemen).

Quote:

I'd have to say I'd trust them more than Pakistan, India or Israel.

And as for these countries that already have nuclear weapons, this can't be easily undone. The best way to redeem a bad situation is not to forget about non-proliferation and suggest 'nuclear weapons for all', as if this will make the world better.

Quote:

How much do you know about Iran and it's people ?

A basic knowledge of the history, and the country's workings.


Heads should roll

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

...my backing US attempts to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is not equivalent to Gino backing Iran's attempts to *acquire* nuclear weapons.


That's a cute tactic, but it's a false equivalency. Saying that you can understand why Iran might WANT nuclear weapons, and that they have some legitimate historical gripes with the U.S., *IS NOT THE SAME* as saying that you really, really, really want Iran to have nuclear weapons because you just love them so very much and want to cuddle with them.

I can honestly say that I can understand some of Osama bin Laden's gripes with the U.S., and that doesn't make me an ally of his, an admirer of his, a Muslim, or any kind of terrorist. It just means that I can understand more than one side of an argument.

Mike

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:41 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz were all involved in trying to sell them US reactors

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2067

I don't trust your source to provide reliable facts/analysis. Any more mainstream news providers (or less agenda-driven) reports on this?



Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-2005Mar26.html

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they are fairly democratic next to the principal US allies in the area...
You'll notice I've stayed clear of this argument, mainly because none of those US allies are pursuing nuclear programmes. I would be just as alarmed if some of them did (like Yemen).



Of course these regimes are under US protection... Iran has just itself to rely on, with not only threats but the past US sponsored attacks to draw on when considering possible threats. The rhetoric does work both ways, hard not to be paranoid when when they threaten you on the news every other night.

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I'd have to say I'd trust them more than Pakistan, India or Israel.
And as for these countries that already have nuclear weapons, this can't be easily undone. The best way to redeem a bad situation is not to forget about non-proliferation and suggest 'nuclear weapons for all', as if this will make the world better.



But leveling the playing field does make fair negotiation more likely, do you think Iran is more or less likely to enter into a war with nuclear weapons... considering the US would use this as a pretext to level them, as a last resort weapon, if they were attacked... maybe... but the chances somebody would attack them drops off quite a bit too.


Quote:

How much do you know about Iran and it's people ?
A basic knowledge of the history, and the country's workings.



So a country with a high standard for education, healthcare, science, etc

Some sniping between them and their neighbors, but that is a historical Shia / Sunni thing


Where is all the hate the US displays coming from?



Heads should roll



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Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:53 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

...my backing US attempts to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is not equivalent to Gino backing Iran's attempts to *acquire* nuclear weapons.


That's a cute tactic, but it's a false equivalency. Saying that you can understand why Iran might WANT nuclear weapons, and that they have some legitimate historical gripes with the U.S., *IS NOT THE SAME* as saying that you really, really, really want Iran to have nuclear weapons because you just love them so very much and want to cuddle with them.

I can honestly say that I can understand some of Osama bin Laden's gripes with the U.S., and that doesn't make me an ally of his, an admirer of his, a Muslim, or any kind of terrorist. It just means that I can understand more than one side of an argument.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde



Actually I would argue if Iran had a hand full of nuclear weapons it would stabilize the region.

It would be about the only thing to end the nonconservative drive in the US to attack them...

might stop Israel from rattling their sabers, and with Iran on a equal footing detente could be achieved. Right now they are the only Muslim country that doesn't follow Washingtons lead, therefore they represent the interests of a large part of the middleeast ( and Africa, and Asia )who have nobody else to speak for them...

That could be very valuable in starting a dialog, and another thing that could end this cycle of war.

Practically, I wish the world free of nukes...

Realistically, it would solve some problems



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists

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Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Indeed.

Look how fast the sabre rattling at North Korea STOPPED COLD the minute it was clear they had one.

That's a big part of my problem with the whole "neoconservative" pack of neo-feudo-fascist shitheels to begin with, is that they, being totally drive by fear, happen to be the most cowardly morass of bullies on the planet with huge insecurity issues both politically and personally.

For a fact, I damn well KNEW (and y'all might remember I said as much) that they weren't using UN inspections to decide whether Saddam had weapons, they were using them to make sure his regime was defenseless - the same way abusive ex's hide out near the courthouse steps KNOWING their intended victim will be unarmed there, cause they're gutless little fucks without a single bloody ounce of courage or moral fibre, even when it's not even THEM who gets sent into the meat grinder, but us peons ?

Fuck that.

What's worse is that knowing their mentality, they would be PERFECTLY happy with some country we invaded nuking america, so long as their hideout wasn't targeted, since it would whip up the hysteria and build the pathetic quivering of knees that their whole power is built upon.

Hint to foreign countries on our shitlist, don't aim at washington, aim directly at the fuckers talking shit, believe me, it'll stop just as quick as a mugger does when he suddenly realizes you CAN and WILL shoot his ass if he don't.


Oh, and BTW, the Times has all but admitted the document is indeed a complete forgery, and despite whatever their political bent may be, GlobalResearch generally makes intelligence assessments and predictions an order of magnitude more accurately than our supposed professionals we pay fifty times as much - why is that you think, hmmm ?

And let's not even go there on wanting a mainstream media source given that they've been completely fulla shit every time it ever mattered, all the way back to "Remember the Maine" and often as not it was fucking deliberate.

No matter though, if we weren't so goddamn stupid we'd realize the only reason the Russians and the Chinese haven't already handed em one (and if we bitched all they'd have to do is point to Israel, wouldn't they ?) to stabilize the region and bring this bullshit to a halt - is that they're watching us blunder deeper and deeper into the quicksand laughing up their sleeves all the while and selling weapons to the locals on the side, sure as shit the Chinese are laughing at us, every day as we sink deeper into debt they own our ass just that much more, look up just how FAR we are in debt with em... and the Russians, pffth, they're just waiting for us to renege on those debts (which we will) and the inevitable confrontation which follows weakening both countries and putting THEM on top of the heap.

And they don't have to do a fuckin thing but sit back and watch it happen, ain't that a laugh ?

Так, как ваш русский?

Cause you're gonna need it.

-Frem

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Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:50 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


An interesting article on disappeared and assassinated Iranian scientists. It'll be interpreted different ways, but...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/12/iran-scientist-assassinati
on-allegation-west


Heads should roll

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