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CPAC: John Birch Society Lite?

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Monday, December 21, 2009 10:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Why can I find nothing on this in the MSM (except MSNBC's Rachel Maddow), and only in blogs on the internet? Interesting, given the subject matter.

Freaking John Birch Society To Co-Sponsor CPAC 2010]/b]

Meanwhile, in the latest conservative news, the Republican mainstream continues to slide into ultra-nationalistic militaristic paranoia and championed white supremacy along the normal trajectory: the actual John Birch Society — the comically radical conservative organization of racists and psychotic libertarians who pretended to fight domestic commies, 50 years ago — has of course been named a cosponsor of next year’s CPAC, the conservatives’ important annual mid-week terrorfest at which delegations of the nation’s top barely-functioning insane wingnuts decide who gets to run for what job.

The Birchers are most famous for being the group that William F. Buckley angrily condemned in 1964, giving the nascent American conservative movement its first taste of mainstream legitimacy, or however they phrase it these days.

But Buckley’s dead now, and the supposedly “re-branded” Birchers are sponsoring CPAC, so maybe 2012 will finally be Pat Buchanan’s year? Hmm? http://wonkette.com/412781/freaking-john-birch-society-to-co-sponsor-c
pac-2010






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Monday, December 21, 2009 11:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bump? I wanna hear what others think...




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Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


There are about 70 organizations cosponsoring CPAC 2010. Here's a list.

http://www.cpac.org/sponsors.html



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, December 21, 2009 1:47 PM

DREAMTROVE


There are some groups here I agree with and some I disagree with. John Birch is hardly going to strike fear into the hearts of conservatives.

The scariest groups here are Focus on the Family and the NRA, but also there are group there like Campaign for Liberty, so it's pretty much a who's who of right wing PACs. People on the right want to see conservatives elected. Dog bites man.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So what would be the liberal equivalent of CPAC?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Some background on the John Birch Society, via Wiki:

Quote:


The society stated it opposed aspects of the civil rights movement in the 1960s because of concerns that the movement had communists in important positions. It opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, saying it was in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped the rights of individual states to enact laws regarding civil rights.
The society is against "one world government" and has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements.
The society argues that there is a devaluing of the U.S. Constitution in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this is by design.

The society was established in Indianapolis, Indiana on December 9, 1958 by a group of 12 men led by Robert Welch, Jr., a retired candy manufacturer from Belmont, Massachusetts. One founding member was Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America. Another was Revilo P. Oliver, a University of Illinois professor who later severed his relationship with the society and helped found the "white nationalist" National Alliance.

According to Welch, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"
Welch saw collectivism as the main threat to Western Civilization, and all liberals as "secret communist traitors" who provide cover for the gradual process of collectivism, with the ultimate goal of replacing the nations of western civilization with one-world socialist government. "There are many stages of welfarism, socialism, and collectivism in general," he wrote, "but Communism is the ultimate state of them all, and they all lead inevitably in that direction."

One of the first public activities of the society was a "Get US Out!" (of membership of the UN) campaign, which claimed in 1959 that the "Real nature of [the] UN is to build a One World Government." In 1960, Welch advised JBS members to: "Join your local P.T.A. at the beginning of the school year, get your conservative friends to do likewise, and go to work to take it over."

By March 1961 the society had 60,000 to 100,000 members and, according to Welch, "a staff of 28 people in the Home Office; about 30 Coordinators (or Major Coordinators) in the field, who are fully paid as to salary and expenses; and about 100 Coordinators (or Section Leaders as they are called in some areas), who work on a volunteer basis as to all or part of their salary, or expenses, or both." According to Political Research Associates, a "progressive think tank devoted to supporting movements that are building a more just and inclusive democratic society", the society "pioneered grassroots lobbying, combining educational meetings, petition drives and letter-writing campaigns. One early campaign against the second summit between the United States and the Soviet Union generated over 600,000 postcards and letters, according to the society. A June 1964 society campaign to oppose Xerox corporate sponsorship of TV programs favorable to the UN produced 51,279 letters from 12,785 individuals."

Much of the society's early views, according to Political Research Associates, "reflects an ultra-conservative business nationalist critique of business internationalists networked through groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)."

Ayn Rand said in a Playboy interview that "What is wrong with them is that they don't seem to have any specific, clearly defined political philosophy. ... I consider the Birch Society futile, because they are not for Capitalism but merely against Communism."
Society influence on U.S. politics hit its high point in the years around the failed 1964 presidential campaign of Republican candidate Barry Goldwater, who lost to incumbent President Lyndon B. Johnson. Welch had supported Goldwater over Richard Nixon for the Republican nomination, but the membership split, with two-thirds supporting Goldwater and one-third supporting Nixon. A number of Birch members and their allies were Goldwater supporters in 1964[22] and some were delegates at the 1964 Republican National Convention. The Goldwater campaign brought together the nucleus of what later became known as the New Right.
In April 1966, a New York Times article on New Jersey and the society stated, in part, a concern for "the increasing tempo of radical right attacks on local government, libraries, school boards, parent-teacher associations, mental health programs, the Republican Party and, most recently, the ecumenical movement." It then characterized the society as, "by far the most successful and 'respectable' radical right organization in the country. It operates alone or in support of other extremist organizations whose major preoccupation, like that of the Birchers, is the internal Communist conspiracy in the United States."

Mainstream Republicans such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and Russell Kirk grew increasingly unhappy with the society after Welch circulated a letter calling President Dwight D. Eisenhower a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy. Welch also wrote that President Franklin D. Roosevelt knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in advance, but said nothing because he wanted to get the U.S. involved in World War II.

The sensationalism of Welch's charge that Eisenhower was a Communist dupe led many conservatives and Republicans, most prominently Goldwater and intellectuals of Buckley's circle, to renounce outright or quietly shy away from the group. Welch later said it was not originally meant to be published because it was just a confidential letter among friends.
Buckley, an early friend and admirer of Welch, regarded his accusations against Eisenhower as "paranoid and idiotic libels" and attempted unsuccessfully to purge Welch from the society. Welch responded by attempting to take over Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative youth organization founded with assistance from Buckley.

The society was at the center of an important free-speech law case in the 1970s, after American Opinion accused a Chicago lawyer representing the family of a young man killed by a police officer of being part of a Communist conspiracy to merge all police agencies in the country into one large force. The resulting libel suit, Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., reached the United States Supreme Court, which held that a state may allow a private figure such as Gertz to recover actual damages from a media defendant without proving malice, but that a public figure does have to prove actual malice, according to the standard laid out in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, in order to recover presumed damages or punitive damages. The court ordered a retrial in which Gertz prevailed.
Key society causes of the 1970s included opposition to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and to the establishment of diplomatic ties with the People's Republic of China. The society claimed in 1973 that the regime of Mao Zedong had murdered 64 million Chinese as of that year and that it was the primary supplier of illicit heroin into the United States. This led to bumper stickers showing a pair of scissors cutting a hypodermic needle in half accompanied by the slogan "Cut The Red China Connection." According to the Voice of America, the society also was opposed to transferring control of the Panama Canal from American to Panamanian sovereignty.




Does that sound anything like PN? It sounds like he's preaching right out of their bible.


Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:49 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,

lol

There is, of course, a dif. between loons and dangerous. PN isn't dangerous either. Focus on the Family, ie, Dobson, is dangerous.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:35 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


John Birch Society has been hijacked since 1963, when it participated in the assassination of president JFK, as seen on Oliver Stone's documentary (posters in Dallas: "JFK Wanted for Treason"). Now JBS supports the Democrat and Republican CONsPiracy theory that 9/11 was by invisible Arabs from an unknown country (who are still alive giving interviews to BBC News and CNN).

CPAC proves it's organized crime by allowing speeches by pedophile massmurdering traitors like Sir George Bush Knight of the British Empire. NeoCons are not "conservative" about anything, and they're running the Obama administration. Mann Coulter is a gay transexual -- can't get more liberal than that.

Nikivicher at work spreading kosher Commie Love:




How many Communist citizens did the kosher Commies genocide in the 20th Century? 150-million! Cannibalism is yummie!


"Reavers... we made them!"
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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 4:39 AM

DREAMTROVE


Okay, I'll grant that post had no links in it, but it's not exactly effective communication, it's sort of trollish (clever photohop, btw) but ultimately, it's still Godwin.

Godwin never meant for his rule to apply to anyone outside of Sergei Brin's circle of friends, but he also never meant it to apply strictly to "Nazis" he said "any ridiculous comparison on the order of comparing someone's disagreement with your position to the actions of Nazi Germany" that would definitely including comparing Niki's posts to the Holodomor, the great purge, the great leap forward, WWI+II, etc.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Goodness gracious, DT, you expected otherwise? Leaping to the sensationalistic extremes and accusing everyone under the sun of being a Jew is PN's modus operandi. He's not capable of anything else, it would appear, and I'll bet has never heard of a modus vivendi or could grasp the concept if he did!

This thread should sink; it will continue to incite further idiocy which isn't worth responding to.

I'm glad SOME took it back to the original topic, but I don't think it can stay that way, so let 'em rant, but I won't contribute to the ranting and I think your continued efforts to get through are a waste of your time. Your mileage may vary.




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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:52 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
This thread should sink; it will continue to incite further idiocy which isn't worth responding to.






The same could be said about nearly all of your drivel .

Just keep in mind , it's another one that you started .

Cause and Effect .

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:08 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


So hey Niki -

How's things going lately ? BTW, have you notice a warm drafty breeze ? Damn, it's like all of the sudden there's hot air blowing around.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:30 PM

DREAMTROVE


Yes, Niki, I did.

PN usually posts his own topics for discussion, or infobombing, for links or dissemination, but he seldom gets into infighting like this. You really struck a nerve. He went ballistic and tossed in the full Godwin. Not much to say, but I'm in awe ;)

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 4:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And now the John Birch Society is angry over the release of the movie "Invictus", and slamming Nelson Mandela as a "communist terrorist thug".

Go figure. 'Course, these are the same bunch who called the civil rights movement in the U.S. a communist plot to create "a Negro Soviet Republic".

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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