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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:23 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Wizard of Oz says pay no attention to govt-made Global Warming nor ethnic cleansing on the ground

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Written at 2230 Hrs (US Eastern) 15th
January 2010.

A contact in Australia just alerted me to what he describes as "very strange weather taking place over the south west of Australia". He told me to go to the national weather satellite images if I could not open the images he attached (See left). By the time I had discovered the e-mail and checked, the large clearly defined ring had mostly dissipated but still was just
visible on a time loop which was spiraling counter clockwise (Low Pressure system).

http://www.colinandrews.net/Cloud-Radar-Circle-Australia-2010-0116.htm
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HAARP Attack: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Factory
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41049


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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, couldn't possibly have been any kind of a glitch with their radar systems or anything. It *MUST* have been HAARP.





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Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yeah, couldn't possibly have been any kind of a glitch with their radar systems or anything. It *MUST* have been HAARP.



It's not radar, it's a photo from a satellite in outer space.

The rest of the photo is perfect...

Oz govt is doing a massive land grab and ethnic cleansing for reasons of "Global Warming drought", without paying the farmers for stealing their land.

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Monday, January 25, 2010 9:17 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Nik Tesla once nearly brought down a building before getting his machine turned off...The Russians got access to most of his papers and have likely done more research into Tesla tech , but they claim the US Navy is further ahead...

Do some of these technologies explain the whale kills / marine mammal strandings that recur from time to time ? In those instances , where the Navy admits any involvement at all , they attribute the damage to tests of 'Sonar' equipment...

' Stranger Than Fiction?

Report: US Weapon Test Aimed at Iran Caused Haiti Quake '

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24488.htm

"...Some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

---DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

Cohen's keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center, Mahler Auditorium, University of Georgia, Athens, Ga. April 28, 1997 8:45 AM EDT

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

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Monday, January 25, 2010 2:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Monday, January 25, 2010 2:38 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Monday, January 25, 2010 11:59 PM

LITTLEBIRD


Interesting articles. I've done some reading on Tesla. Some of his experiments were wild.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Littlebird:
Interesting articles. I've done some reading on Tesla. Some of his experiments were wild.



Without Tesla there would be no FF nor FFF.net.

He's probably the greatest inventor planet Earth has ever seen. Certainly the most influential.

Edison, he invented the electric chair... for horses.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Tasty, tasty fried horses...

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:33 PM

LITTLEBIRD


PN

Yes, I know that without Tesla there would be no FF. I respect his work a great deal. When I said some of his experiments were wild I wasn't implying that his work was not important. I was actually thinking of this picture I saw of him once, sitting in the middle of all these arcing electrical currents with a ho-hum another day at the office sort of expression on his face. I loved it! Very interesting character.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:09 PM

RUE

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That is from Australia. Are radar images superimposed on satellite images as they are here in the US ? If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia. Are radar images superimposed on satellite images as they are here in the US ? If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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DINGDINGDINGDING!!!

Yes, it's a composite satellite image.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 7:37 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Radar problems ? Yes , of course , that has to be the answer !

First problem would be the line -of-sight limitations of a terrestrial radar sweep , of the immense size that the photo suggests...

Are you 'experts' saying that Australian meteorologists have a radar that casts a beam for hundreds of miles in any direction , and it has a coverage area that includes scores of thousands of square kilometers ?

Wow , that's special !

How did they manage to overcome the limitations imposed by that niggling curvature-of-the-Earth issue that gets in the way of American weather radars ?

Saying that this is just a radar glitch is like saying that the Columbia debris image return from Shreveport Doppler was also just an anomaly...

http://www.strangedangers.com/content/item/8260.html

Apparently , some Folk are not aware that HAARP is a gigantic phased-array which is known to be powerful enough to 'boil' the ionosphere , and is known to be able to rip a hole in it , admitting radiation directly from space...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Radar problems ? Yes , of course , that has to be the answer !

First problem would be the line -of-sight limitations of a terrestrial radar sweep , of the immense size that the photo suggests...

Are you 'experts' saying that Australian meteorologists have a radar that casts a beam for hundreds of miles in any direction , and it has a coverage area that includes scores of thousands of square kilometers ?

Wow , that's special !

How did they manage to overcome the limitations imposed by that niggling curvature-of-the-Earth issue that gets in the way of American weather radars ?

Saying that this is just a radar glitch is like saying that the Columbia debris return from Shreveport Doppler was also just an anomaly...

Apparently , some Folk are not aware that HAARP is a gigantic phased-array which is known to be powerful enough to 'boil' the ionosphere , and is known to be able to rip a hole in it , admitting radiation directly from space...




Weird - my local TV station's Doppler radar routinely shows me what's going on in Dallas, Houston, San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, Shreveport - even though they are all hundreds of miles away.

So OF COURSE it must be HAARP, right? That's the best explanation you geniuses can come up with? That HAARP, located in Alaska, above the Arctic Circle, is somehow magically ripping a perfectly circular hole in the atmosphere above the southern tip of Australia.

'Cause that explanation makes SO much more sense. :)

By the way, how does HAARP deal with the curvature of the Earth? I mean, there IS curvature between the Arctic Circle and southern Australia, right? Are they bouncing it off the Moon?

Mike

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Friday, January 29, 2010 8:20 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:



First problem would be the line -of-sight limitations of a terrestrial radar sweep , of the immense size that the photo suggests...

Are you 'experts' saying that Australian meteorologists have a radar that casts a beam for hundreds of miles in any direction , and it has a coverage area that includes scores of thousands of square kilometers ?

Wow , that's special !

How did they manage to overcome the limitations imposed by that niggling curvature-of-the-Earth issue that gets in the way of American weather radars ?

Saying that this is just a radar glitch is like saying that the Columbia debris return from Shreveport Doppler was also just an anomaly...

Apparently , some Folk are not aware that HAARP is a gigantic phased-array which is known to be powerful enough to 'boil' the ionosphere , and is known to be able to rip a hole in it , admitting radiation directly from space...




Weird - my local TV station's Doppler radar routinely shows me what's going on in Dallas, Houston, San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, Shreveport - even though they are all hundreds of miles away.


By the way, how does HAARP deal with the curvature of the Earth? I mean, there IS curvature between the Arctic Circle and southern Australia, right? Are they bouncing it off the Moon?



Sorry , you are wrong again...

It would pay off for you expert Folk to not try swimming in subjects where you are completely out of your depth...

First of all , your 'Local TV station' does not have its own Doppler radar...You may try getting the station to admit this fact , which they are likely gonna be reluctant to do , but if you'd bother checking a fact for this once , you will find that this is true...

Most TV stations try to 'brand' the local Doppler feeds that they receive from the National Weather Service / NOAA Doppler radar 'feeds' as their own . They are not...

Doppler weather radar sites are expensive to operate , which is why they're relegated to be a government function .

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird - my local TV station's Doppler radar routinely shows me what's going on in Dallas, Houston, San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, Shreveport - even though they are all hundreds of miles away.



No , not weird...It's actually magic of a different sort , called 'Science & Technology'...
That's not just one Doppler sweep showing you what's going on hundreds of miles away .

What it is , is a composite image , assembled in a computer , of radar feeds from the Doppler sites located in those various cities . The individual feeds are stitched together to give a representation of what's going on regionally...Yes , it's a 'trick' , but it fools most of the people most of the time , which is what industry and government frequently team up to accomplish , but that's the way it is...

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

By the way, how does HAARP deal with the curvature of the Earth? I mean, there IS curvature between the Arctic Circle and southern Australia, right? Are they bouncing it off the Moon?



No , most of the time , it's just being bounced off the ionosphere itself , and the signal is bounced and skipped for hundreds and even thousands of of miles...But , if it makes you feel better , it also could be bounced off of the Moon . Amateur radio operators do this sort of stuff all the time , to propagate a signal and extend its reach...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 8:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:03 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



That's what phased array radars DO--- They shape and steer radar signals...You can look it up , later..

Oh , and by the way , there are LOTS of spaceborne mirrors...The Hubble telescope is a modified spysat , with a very large mirror on board...There are probably later-tech devices with mirrors that are larger still...

There are eavesdropping (SIGINT) satellites on orbit with antenna arrays of greater area than a football field...Probably spaceborne MASER devices , too .

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So after all your insisting that this COULDN'T be a "radar glitch", you now claim that that's exactly what radars are for, to shape images. Thank you for rather concisely proving my point for me! :)

Oh, and I realize you want us to leave it to "the experts" to explain it all, and that we should just trust your word because you say so, but do you accept that logic from, say, the Federal Reserve system?

Didn't think so. So forgive me if I don't just take your word for it. You've lied to me (and about me) far too many times before.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:26 AM

RUE

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I'm curious and you seem to know. So, can I expect an answer to Kwicko's question ?

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:03 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.




Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .

What a capacity for overstating the obvious .

Thank you for your expert opinion .

With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...

Heh , heh...

But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:09 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Meanwhile , in other weather-related News from down under :

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comm
ents/most_meteorologists_cantt_disagree_its_a_scam


Of course there's no such thing as weather wars...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:19 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So after all your insisting that this COULDN'T be a "radar glitch", you now claim that that's exactly what radars are for, to shape images.



Nope .

Wrong and wrong . Again .

Never said that it couldn't be a glitch ; just believe it is too convenient a cover story for something known to exist and the purposes to which it may be put...

And I didn't say that's what radars are FOR , 'shaping images'.

What I said was that phased arrays are used to shape (and steer) radar signals...Not the 'images' , the outgoing pulses...There's a vasty gulf of differences , nearly all of which would be lost on the general public...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:21 PM

RUE

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BTW - DO you have an answer for Kwicko's question ? I'm kinda' thinking not.

As for your link, someone needs to go into WIKI and correct an error. It states: "In this propagation method, when the signal encounters a rise in temperature in the atmosphere instead of the normal decrease (known as a temperature inversion), the higher refractive index of the atmosphere there will cause the signal to be bent."

That is false. Higher temperature results in LOWER density which results in LOWER refractive index. "Cold air is denser than warm air and has therefore a greater refractive index."

I'm amazed that you of all people, with your superior intellect, didn't notice that. I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to yet another failure on your part.


Oh, btw, as the proud owner of an all-band receiver I've had a lot of fun taking advantage of signal skipping. But receiving signals is tricky - you have to be in a very small area at the right time.

What signal skipping doesn't do is cause miles-wide coherent images to skip, like you seem to think it does. Also, I noticed that you just couldn't resist snarking when you had no other idea on hand. From now on, I'll take it as a symptom of your evident inability to contribute in a meaningful way.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:28 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
BTW - DO you have an answer for Kwicko's question ? I'm kinda' thinking not.

As for your link, someone needs to go into WIKI and correct an error. It states: "In this propagation method, when the signal encounters a rise in temperature in the atmosphere instead of the normal decrease (known as a temperature inversion), the higher refractive index of the atmosphere there will cause the signal to be bent."

That is false. Higher temperature results in LOWER density which results in LOWER refractive index. "Cold air is denser than warm air and has therefore a greater refractive index."

I'm amazed that you of all people, with your superior intellect, didn't notice that.


Oh, btw, as the proud owner of an all-band receiver I've had a lot of fun taking advantage of signal skipping. What it doesn't do is cause miles-wide coherent images to skip, like you seem to think it does.


OH, also, I noticed that you just couldn't resist snarking when you had no other answer on hand. From now on, I'll take it as a symptom of your inability to contribute in a meaningful way.




A receiver wouldn't cause a signal to skip...

Like I said , you Folk are out of your depth...

Just a clue , Rue...

Owning a radio receiver will not make you a radar expert...


Not snark . Just the facts , ma'am...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:34 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if you know how to read.

"A receiver wouldn't cause a signal to skip..." Go back and read s-l-o-w-l-y. Then come back and tell me where I said that I MADE the signal skip with my RECEIVER.

"Owning a radio receiver will not make you a radar expert..." And you are ? I hope to see your credentials some day. hee hee hee


For the rest of you who have ever fiddled with an AM radio - and have a clue - I'm sure you've had the experience of receiving stations that have skipped in from far away. All-band receivers (including shortwave) can and do pick up signals from hundreds, even thousands of miles away, depending on atmospheric conditions. It's a lot of fun.

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And I'm STILL waitng for an answer to Kwicko's question. But at this point, since all you have is snark, your dementia seems to be answering for you.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:43 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Ask Kwicko again...What WAS his question ?

For Folk still wanting to make up their own minds , here are some more Facts about weather wars , from North of the US border :

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19380

Global currency replacing all paper currencies, limiting manufacturing, food production and people movement

Carbon Currency: A New Beginning for Technocracy?

As for the rest of your assertions ,

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Originally posted by rue:
And you are ? I hope to see your credentials some day.



Sure...Soon as you get Operative ScamBO to show all of his...You can permaybehaps begin by getting him to show some of his scholarly papers
whereby he proves himself a scholar regarding the Constitution...and his qualifications re: being a native-born Citizen of the
United States...





Hey , lookie here ! A hexagonal figure on Saturn...Hmmm , must be a Doppler weather-radar glitch...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:48 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I'm kinda' thinking not.




Exactly...

Thinking . NOT .

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:51 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
But receiving signals is tricky - you have to be in a very small area at the right time.




Okay , then...

Crawl back into that tight little hole where you live , and see if you can get a 'signal'...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 3:58 PM

RUE

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Early dementia. So sad.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:03 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Early dementia. So sad.



We know . And we're sad for you...

We'll send you a card with condolences...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:07 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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It all depends on the signal and wavelength Mike, VHF / UHF are limited to line of sight with radio transmission, but HF signals bounce off the ionosphere... skywave we called it. Specialized antenna design can give you control to extend that range. Yagi antennas etc

This I have done myself, with portable 40 yr old equipment, I have received Radio Moscow ( as a demo at a recruiting drive, seems cool to folk who never seen it ) and had two way comms with Vancouver from Calgary over the Rocky Mountains.

From what I have read you can do similar things with radar...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/an-fps-118.htm

AN/FPS-118 Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter (OTH-B) Radar

The U.S. Air Force's over-the-horizon-backscatter (OTH-B) air defense radar system is by several criteria the largest radar system in the world. Six one-million-watt OTH radars see far beyond the range of conventional microwave radars by bouncing their 5-28-MHz waves off the ionosphere, an ionized layer about 200 km above the earth. It was developed over 25 years at a cost of $1.5 billion to warn against Soviet bomber attacks when the planes were still thousands of miles from US air space.


Not that I buy what PN said, ( way beyond my understanding of the tech )

But signal propagation off the atmosphere is relatively common.






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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Just a clue , Rue...

Owning a radio receiver will not make you a radar expert...




Just a clue, Out2Lunch...

Claiming to be a radar expert on the internet will not make you one, any more than claiming to be an expert on the Federal Reserve will make you one...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:14 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Not that I am really familiar with radar tech, etc


Could the circle not be the result of sunspots

with the ozone layer being thinner towards the poles, and the pic we are looking at being a composite picture of several Doppler radars,

perhaps the computer systems which blends the data together into one image tags an area of interference in such a manner




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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde



It all depends on the signal and wavelength Mike, VHF / UHF are limited to line of sight with radio transmission, but HF signals bounce off the ionosphere... skywave we called it. Specialized antenna design can give you control to extend that range. Yagi antennas etc

This I have done myself, with portable 40 yr old equipment, I have received Radio Moscow ( as a demo at a recruiting drive, seems cool to folk who never seen it ) and had two way comms with Vancouver from Calgary over the Rocky Mountains.

From what I have read you can do similar things with radar...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/an-fps-118.htm

AN/FPS-118 Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter (OTH-B) Radar

The U.S. Air Force's over-the-horizon-backscatter (OTH-B) air defense radar system is by several criteria the largest radar system in the world. Six one-million-watt OTH radars see far beyond the range of conventional microwave radars by bouncing their 5-28-MHz waves off the ionosphere, an ionized layer about 200 km above the earth. It was developed over 25 years at a cost of $1.5 billion to warn against Soviet bomber attacks when the planes were still thousands of miles from US air space.


Not that I buy what PN said, ( way beyond my understanding of the tech )

But signal propagation off the atmosphere is relatively common.






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Gino, I don't disbelieve signal skipping; it's fairly common. What I dispute is Out2Lunch's claim that HAARP is "skipping" a coherent radar image tens of thousands of miles, and having it still maintain a perfectly circular shape, clearly enough to show up on composite satellite images.

Out2Lunch and PN are making an enormous leap of... well, I can't even call it a leap of faith, because it's even stupider than that; call it a leap of asinine - because what they're doing is, in essence, similar to saying "Ooh, look - something I don't understand. IT'S THE ALIENS! IT HAS TO BE THE ALIENS!!!"

It's those batshit leaps that lose me. I look at something that I don't understand how it happened, and I say, "Hmmm... that's odd; how did that happen?" They look and INSIST that it HAS TO BE something nefarious or otherworldly, and couldn't possibly be something mundane and everyday. And then they call anyone who questions their efficacy stupid. They're using the "...and then a miracle occurs" line of logic, and claiming a complete proof of theory.


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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:19 PM

RUE

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Originally posted by rue:
I'm kinda' thinking not.
Originally posted by OTB:
Exactly...
Thinking . NOT .

Originally posted by rue:
Early dementia. So sad.
Originally posted by OTB:
We know . And we're sad for you...


OTB: your replies have all the intelligence of 'so's your mother'. You still haven't answered Kwicko's question. You haven't shown us your radar credentials. And you haven't explained your failure to find the obvious mistake in WIKI, which you so triumphantly and embarrassingly cited.



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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?


No need to skip.

US Govt admnits that HAARP includes several sites in Alaska, thus making HAARP's composite transmitter 100s of miles wide.

Other nations have their own version of HAARP, including Russia.

Judging from this photo from Oz, a version of HAARP is installed on the ground at the center of this donut cloud. Whether run by USA or Oz, don't know. Try Google Earth to get a photo of it...

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:30 PM

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Quote:


Judging from this photo from Oz, a version of HAARP is installed on the ground at the center of this donut cloud. Whether run by USA or Oz, don't know. Try Google Earth to get a photo of it...



Go for it. Fetch, boy! FETCH!

This sounds like an awesome use of your time.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:38 PM

RUE

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"IT'S THE ALIENS! IT HAS TO BE THE ALIENS!!!"

Maybe it's the BritishNaziJewHomoQueen(hmmm ... homoqueen ... maybe there's a connection there)Bilderbergs.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 5:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.



Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .

What a capacity for overstating the obvious .

Thank you for your expert opinion .

With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...

Heh , heh...

But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting




As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask:

1. Could you expand on *exactly* how Doppler radar works? My 17-18 year old students can do this, so it shouldn't be too hard for an educated grown-up. Right? Please, give it a try... And don't cut and paste from wiki. I know how to check for that.

2. Explain how local weather patterns will never disrupt mapped patterns detected by radar scans. ie even with varied weather patterns moving across a continent, any "doppler radar" map will be perfectly symmetrical.

Oh, and I did a research project marginally related to the second question: the trajectory of sound waves in the atmosphere due to temperature and wind speed variation with altitude. I know how that works. So you'd best not respond like an idiot with no actual familiarity with wave propagation physics.

I just might end up ripping you a new one, son.











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Friday, January 29, 2010 5:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.



Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .

What a capacity for overstating the obvious .

Thank you for your expert opinion .

With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...

Heh , heh...

But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting




As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask:

1. Could you expand on *exactly* how Doppler radar works? My 17-18 year old students can do this, so it shouldn't be too hard for an educated grown-up. Right? Please, give it a try... And don't cut and paste from wiki. I know how to check for that.

2. Explain how local weather patterns will never disrupt mapped patterns detected by radar scans. ie even with varied weather patterns moving across a continent, any "doppler radar" map will be perfectly symmetrical.

Oh, and I did a research project marginally related to the second question: the trajectory of sound waves in the atmosphere due to temperature and wind speed variation with altitude. I know how that works. So you'd best not respond like an idiot with no actual familiarity with wave propagation physics.

I just might end up ripping you a new one, son.











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I guess you'd be the guy to ask about this theory

" Could the circle not be the result of sunspots

with the ozone layer being thinner towards the poles giving it a greater than normal effect, and the pic we are looking at being a composite picture of several Doppler radars, perhaps with the involved area being at the edge of signal range

perhaps the computer systems which blends the data together into one image tags an area of interference in such a manner "

or am I completely out there too ?




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Friday, January 29, 2010 5:26 PM

RUE

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"As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation ..."

OOOOhhh - cool !

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Friday, January 29, 2010 8:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Go for it. Fetch, boy! FETCH!



Got it.







Oops. How'd that get in there?

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:09 AM

KWICKO

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Two problems with those first two pix.

1) They're fake, and they're from your own site.

2) According to the file tags, they're not HAARP sites at all, but MK-ULTRA towers.


Nice fail.


By the way, no problems with the third pic.

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:13 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I guess you'd be the guy to ask about this theory

"Could the circle not be the result of sunspots

with the ozone layer being thinner towards the poles giving it a greater than normal effect, and the pic we are looking at being a composite picture of several Doppler radars, perhaps with the involved area being at the edge of signal range



Well, not the *guy* to ask precisely... :)

Earth's magnetic fields do trap particles from the solar wind, but the ions escape into the polar regions. That makes a kind of circular pattern when viewed from space, but it's centered on the poles, not some random spot in Western Australia. And it's not super symmetric. Here's an example on Jupiter - pretty! But nothing at all like this alleged event in Australia.



Quote:

perhaps the computer systems which blends the data together into one image tags an area of interference in such a manner "

or am I completely out there too ?

I think that the compositing (is that a word?) of images is behind this, but not the usual work done with radar images. This is a fake, is my bet. It's another plea from PN that we click on his loony links so he can earn his pennies.

Of course, I could be wrong. O2B, you seem to have another idea. That was an interesting article about EMPs you posted. Is that what you're saying caused this alleged ring of clouds? Please expand... A nuke was set off at high altitude and that did what exactly? Do tell. Amaze me.


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Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:17 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation ..."

OOOOhhh - cool !

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Was cool for a while. Until I saw all the politics behind funding research. Lord, what a mess!

BTW Kwicko - excellent cartoon a ways up the thread. I find myself in exactly that position while grading tests LOL! "And then a miracle happened, and the resulting solution is..."

I have to post that in my classroom.

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Mal4: The beauty of the internet - I remembered that cartoon from an issue of "Omni" magazine back in the 80s, and Google did the rest! Gotta love it.

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask...



*schnlort* what were the odds... exceptional timing m4p

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:13 AM

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What cartoon? What cartoon? I can always use a good laugh, but I scrolled up, then back down again, and can't find it!



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Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:46 AM

LITTLEBIRD



The first two photo's of PN's last three pictures are taken from the TV show Flashforward if I'm not mistaken. Maybe the government does have something like this, but these are not it. just sayin'.

The last picture is from Dollhouse. :)

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