On the subject of clean energy and ideas... by Niki2

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On the subject of clean energy and ideas...

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UPDATED: Monday, January 25, 2010 13:10
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Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:50 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The subject of environmental improvement comes up frequently here. Given how much garbage we create as a species (and other species do, too), the idea of using this stuff, and more, to provide energy, is intriguing. Just thought I'd offer a bit of neat stuff:

Go ahead, tear 'em apart or share opinions, I'd find both interesting. For me, it shows the innovative abilities of the human species; certainly something has to be done, and imagination is trying to provide myriad solutions. I think it would be interesting to discuss...

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Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:54 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

I found this to be interesting

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,656325,00.html

an example to smaller community's,

where allowed, in North America the regulations the government and energy providers have installed makes it more of a fight to try anything like this here...

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I think our best bet is, to quote a certain half-term governor, "All of 'em." All of those, PLUS natural gas, "clean" coal where it's appropriate (it's not really "clean", but coal is used for so much that even coal that's a little bit cleanER would help in the short term), nuclear (if the safety and waste issues could be resolved a bit better than they have to date), and just more efficient vehicles.

There IS no "magic bullet", no one single thing that's going to do the job; there's a combination of things, some of which exist and are already being used, and some which will be outgrowths and evolutions of new and existing technologies, all of which will help us move towards LESS use of petroleum and fossil fuels, but probably none of which will lead to NO use of them. As I've noted before on other threads, in the absence of a single solution that does everything, I'll take a dozen small solutions that each do a little.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I think simply introducing two ideas to the public consciousness on a wide scale would work as well or better than any top-down "solution" folks would resent being shoved at them.

Bonus points for keeping it simple instead of getting into the endless, pointless, mire of global-warming and sustainability debates.

"waste not, want not"

"clean up your own damned mess"

I even have a little "I-am-not-your-mommy" speech to go along with that last one, tailored to the person I am talking to so it pulls their emotional triggers.

-F

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Monday, January 25, 2010 8:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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probably none of which will lead to NO use of them

Well, nature will, when they run out!

Yo hey, Frem: every word!

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Monday, January 25, 2010 8:24 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Niki2:
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probably none of which will lead to NO use of them
Well, nature will, when they run out!

Well, I could argue that solar power has no future, too, since the sun will go nova in around 4.5 to 5 billion years...

(And yes, that was typed with a smile, because I'm kidding with you.)

RIGHT NOW, and in the immediate future (the foreseeable one, the one we or our children's children will likely see), there is nothing on the horizon that will completely remove petroleum from the equation.

Don't take any of that to mean that we shouldn't TRY, or that there's no point in lessening our consumption of them. Just know that they're a necessary evil, and likely to remain so for longer than you and I will be on this planet.

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Monday, January 25, 2010 1:10 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Waaaal, if we keep using it like we are, petroleum won't be around not LONG after we're gone...that's all I'm sayin'...

Once there's none around, would be interesting to see what happens to mankind, tho' I'm glad I'm NOT going to be around to see!

And yes, I thought about the sun thing, but given the length of time, I don't think it comes into it. The concept that humanity has an icecube's chance in hell of making it that long completely eludes me!

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