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Bush was right out of his mind.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:38 PM

HERO


Aside from those tons of chemical weapons they found back in 2004 and 2005 (most of which were unaccounted for and depleted pre-1991)...they recently found a big ass missile long hidden by the Saddam regime.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1248567/Iraq--Missil
e-discovered-Baghdad-s-Abu-Ghraib-suburb.html


H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:44 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Hero,


New sig for you

"you are as big an idiot as your idol Bush" GinoBiffaroni 2010




Why do I suspect I will soon be flamed for insulting idiots ?










Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 3:09 PM

TRAVELER


I am looking at that picture and I don't see much of a weapon there. It looks rather lame. I get the feeling some people are grabing at straws to come up with anything to make that claim real. One third rate missle does not equal mass destruction.


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Traveler

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 4:20 PM

BYTEMITE


Supposedly it's a chinese silkworm anti-ship missile.

I've been trying to identify the gold symbol painted on the near fin, with no success.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 4:41 PM

CHRISISALL




Looks pretty deadly to me... but Saddam's tech-peeps look a bit lighter-skinned than I'd expected. ?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:10 PM

GINOBIFFARONI




SS-N-2 Silkworm ASM

Note the hole in the back for the rocket motor




Note No hole for rocket motor WTF ? Is it a rocket or a bomb ?



" It is not yet known whether the seven-metre rocket is armed with a warhead. "

But there is a half dozen guys walking on it ?

the nose is also torn off, with dirt inside it

a dud dropped on Iraq maybe ?

Are the black markings spray painted graffiti in Arabic ?











Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
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Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:25 PM

TRAVELER


It could be left over from the Iraq/Iran War. It may have been lying there for ages. I would be more frightened of the urchins that sprayed the graffiti on it.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

I get the feeling some people are grabing at straws to come up with anything to make that claim real
Naw, really? You mean there are still some poor souls out there that still think Dumbya was the cowboy hero they believed him to be? Surely not!

What an absurd effort at justification...



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Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:14 AM

BYTEMITE


Traveler: That's kind of what I was thinking. The Chinese apparently sold to both sides during that conflict.

Maybe they buried it when they realized it's an anti-SHIP missile and they're both landlocked nations... Though more likely it was buried to hide it during the embargo.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

" It is not yet known whether the seven-metre rocket is armed with a warhead. "

But there is a half dozen guys walking on it ?


Some peeps like to live on the edge.




The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:24 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I am looking at that picture and I don't see much of a weapon there. It looks rather lame.


Your right...years of being buried in the sand could not possibly have some kind of negative impact on its function.

Thats why Saddam buried those Russian Migs in the sand by the airbase...so they'd be ready to fly at a moments notice.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:27 PM

HKCAVALIER


Bush was right? Well, duh! Was somebody saying he was left???

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:38 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Bush was right? Well, duh! Was somebody saying he was left???


I was.
He was left right out of the list on get-your-brain-day in utero.

*thank you, thank you- I'll be here all year*


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 3:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"Hero", you're falling into a logical trap you really SHOULD know better than to fall into. Firstly, you're blindly accepting that this is a "weapon of mass destruction" and therefore its existence in and of itself completely justifies the "pre-emptive war" policy of the so-called Bush Doctrine.

Secondly, You're also assuming that if it exists, Saddam did it. That kind of logic is what still has Sarah Palin convinced that Saddam was the planner behind 9/11, not Osama.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:27 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


This thread is embarrassing.

Heads should roll

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Hero", you're falling into a logical trap you really SHOULD know better than to fall into.

He's not *falling* into anything, Mike.
He's spinning.
That's what he does!
THAT'S ALL HE DOES!!!


The Kyle Reese Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
This thread is embarrassing.


Tell that to the Cylons.


The Apollo Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Hero", you're falling into a logical trap you really SHOULD know better than to fall into.

He's not *falling* into anything, Mike.
He's spinning.
That's what he does!
THAT'S ALL HE DOES!!!


The Kyle Reese Chrisisall




You really do need to change your sig, Chris. I'm thinking something along the lines of

"Hero", I've never respected you. -ChrisIsAll, Feb. 7, 2010


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Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:04 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Hero", you're falling into a logical trap you really SHOULD know better than to fall into.

He's not *falling* into anything, Mike.
He's spinning.
That's what he does!
THAT'S ALL HE DOES!!!


The Kyle Reese Chrisisall




The problem is what the pictures show so obviously do not fit the story being spun, a treasure map to the WMD written in crayon would have more credibility.


How many people died because of this faulty logic?

Who was been held responsible ?



If the US can or will not hold its leaders to account, things will only get more and more ugly



http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/02/20102711251253936
9.html




Yemeni scholar backs 'jet bomber'
Al-Aulaqi has been linked to numerous attacks including the November US military base shootings [EPA]


Sheikh Anwar al-Aulaqi , a Yemeni religious scholar, has told Al Jazeera that the suspect accused of attempting to blow up a US passenger jet on Christmas Day, was one of his students.

Al-Aulaqi said that he did not order the attempted suicide attack on the airliner, but that US civilians were legitimate targets since they bore responsibility for their "government's crimes".

"Omar Farouq, may Allah free him, is one of my students ... But I did not issue a fatwa [religious edict] allowing him to carry out this operation," the US-born Al-Aulaqi said in an exclusive interview.

Farouq, a young British-educated Nigerian, currently in US custody for allegedly trying to detonate explosives stitched to his underwear as the plane carrying about 300 people made its descent to Detroit airport, has reportedly told US investigators that Awlaki had directed him to explode the bomb.

"I support what he did after I have been seeing my brothers being killed in Palestine for more than 60 years, and others being killed in Iraq and in Afghanistan," Al-Aulaqi said.

"And in my tribe too, US missiles have killed 17 women and 23 children, so do not ask me if al-Qaeda has killed or blown up a US civil jet after all this," he said.

'Legitimate targets'

Al-Aulaqi said it "would have been better" if the plane targeted in the attempted attack was a military one or a "US military target", but that the American people were "responsible for their policies" and therefore legitimate targets.

"The American people are the ones who have voted twice for [President George] Bush the criminal, and elected [President Barack] Obama who is not different from Bush.

"The American people take part in all its government's crimes ... They pay the taxes which are spent on the army and they send their sons to the military, and that is why they bear responsibility," he told Al Jazeera.

Al-Aulaqi has been linked to a number of attacks in the US and Europe, including the November shootings at the US Fort Hood military base in Texas, in which Nidal Hasan, a US army psychiatrist, was charged with killing 13 people.

A US security official told the Wall Street Journal on Saturday: "Anwar Al-Aulaqi is a member of the al-Qaeda leadership in Yemen ... We believe that he should be captured, tried and convicted."

'US occupation'

Al-Aulaqi also said that he considered Yemen to be occupied by US forces.

"US drones continuously fly over Yemen. What state is that which allows its enemy to spy on its people and then considers it as 'accepted co-operation?'.

"Yemeni officials tell the Americans to strike whatever they want and ask them not to announce responsibility for the attacks to avoid people’s rage," he said.

Yemen's national security agency has said Al-Aulaqi is based in Yemen's remote Shabwa province, protected by a family tribe that controls the region.

"Some people and governments are distinguished by certain qualities; as you may say this person is tall, and that is stubborn, the Yemeni government's special quality is lying.

"It lies to its people, to its neighbours and to America ... It lies to everyone," he said.

A former imam in Denver, Colorado, and San Diego, California, Al-Aulaqi said the US was a "tyrant", and that "tyrants across history have all had terrible ends".

"I believe the West does not want to realise this universal fact," he said. "Muslims in Europe and America are watching what is happening to Muslims in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan, and they will take revenge for all Muslims across the globe."



Maybe people here have more of a common cause with the Muslim world than you realized...

The US gov needs to be brought under control






Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:


The US gov needs to be brought under control


The illusion that we are living in an absolutely free society is what is f***ing up the world.
If the events at Kent State didn't solidify resentment at the PTB, nothing will.




The not-laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

If the US can or will not hold its leaders to account, things will only get more and more ugly



Uh-oh - sounds like you guys are planning something! That's the same kind of wording that BushCo used in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. That's almost like saying if WE won't do something about our leaders, YOU will.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:18 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

If the US can or will not hold its leaders to account, things will only get more and more ugly



Uh-oh - sounds like you guys are planning something! That's the same kind of wording that BushCo used in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. That's almost like saying if WE won't do something about our leaders, YOU will.



Problem is Mike nobody can get to your leaders that simply...

that is why embassy's, and airplanes, and other thing get hit...


Look at things from the other point of view



Madeline Albright, Clintons secstate saying 500,000 dead Iraqi children was worth stopping Saddam from having WMD which he didn't have...

Now if it was 500,000 dead Americans... you'd likely be nuking somebody. But nobody seems to get the rage against the US comes from a very honest place.

And this is only one example

Democrat... Republican... it doesn't really matter it the long run does it ?


" That's almost like saying if WE won't do something about our leaders, YOU will. "


If only that were in my power...




Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:28 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



www.beyondtreason.com
www.gulfwarvets.com
www.thepowerhour.com

Saddam's Chemical WMDs were marked "MADE IN USA", say eyewitness US soldiers ordered to blow them up in Iraq War #1, while not allowed to wear chem gear, which don't work anyway:



BBC reports that Al Qaeda does not exist, and never did exist:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876&ei=Ha9vS4S
wHISwqQKg2sXABg&q=the+power+of+nightmares&hl=en&view=3




More Iraq War documentaries
http://www.awakentothetruth.com/iraq_iran_israel_middle_east_propagand
a_war_.htm


How to nuke US military bases, file felony charges against all your commanding officers and NCOs during the Iraq War, get the 4-star general USAF chief of staff fired while leading Desert Storm, then get promoted to work directly for Dick Cheney at the Pentagon:
http://piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

How to bomb USA in terrorist attacks, how to hijack US airliners and bomb them out of the sky, how to shoot US citizens, and how to hire enemy soldiers to attack US military bases, under orders of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff at the Pentagon:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uss+liberty
http://september911surprise.piratenews.org
http://piratenews.org/911con.html

Quote:

"In Haig's presence, [Sir Heinz 'Henry'] Kissinger [Kosher Knight of the British Empire, who was George Bush Jr's choice to run the 9/11 Commission] referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy."
-Lt Bob Woodward Kosher US Naval Intelligence in Vietnam and for Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon for General Alexander Haig at the Nixon White House, The Final Days, Chapter 14, page 194

"As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today."
-Major General James Jones, Obama's National Security Advisor
http://www.examiner.com/x-4285-Salt-Lake-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m3d
23-National-Security-Advisor-takes-orders-from-Henry-Kissinger


"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-George W Bush, Gridiron Dinner, March 2001

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, no question about it."
—George Bush Jr
youtube.com/watch?v=aD3xfT0c99g




The Butcher of Bagdad and The Rookie
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=41743

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:24 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thats a WMD? Really??? Looks more like one of those rocket ships that you find on the kiddie rides in the amusement park.

One person from that link even suggested that Saddam moved the WMDs to Iran so as not to get caught with his fly open. Really? So all that 'intelligence' that was gathered by US spy experts and displayed by Colin Powell was actually the wrong info.

So the countless satellites we had trained on that region totally missed the movement of these huge stockpiles of WMDs to our enemies in Iran. Wasn't there a team of experts that actually went there looking for these weapons and found nothing. So Bush failed yet again to find even this little trinket. Imagine that!


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:32 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Look fellas, I found it!

The Big One -------------------------

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!






SGG

Tawabawho?

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:36 PM

TRAVELER


Slim Pickens is the man.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Monday, February 8, 2010 7:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"He was left right out of the list on get-your-brain-day in utero." I thought he was behind the door they day they gave them out...?

Should I add "Hero" to my mantra: "He does not live in the real world...he does not live in the real world..."



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Monday, February 8, 2010 8:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
"He was left right out of the list on get-your-brain-day in utero." I thought he was behind the door they day they gave them out...?

Should I add "Hero" to my mantra: "He does not live in the real world...he does not live in the real world..."





"Hero" actually lives in that part of Ohio where good ol' John "Boner" Boehner (R - Loompaland) is hailed as a hero. I'm sure Snooki from Jersey Shore is probably big there as well. They DO seem to love their bright orange spray-on tans.

And the only patriotic thing about Bozo the Boozy Boner is his eyes. You ever looked at his eyes when he's speechifyin'? I swear, they're red, white, and blue. No kidding.

I still get a good laugh out of his speech honoring the Tuskegee Airmen, where he seemed to be totally 'faced, and kept slurring his words and pronouncing it "Tusssh-Keeee-Jeeee". Classic. I thought he was trying to do an impersonation of Foster Brooks!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, February 8, 2010 8:45 AM

STORYMARK


THAT'S IT???

That's proof he was right?

Hero, when did you go and get THAT stupid?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 8, 2010 12:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Hero, when did you go and get THAT stupid?


Law school.

Not to mention given how stacked the deck is, it isn't like he actually has to DO anything but go through the motions to reach the predetermined verdict anyways.

So he's prolly gotten lazy, too.

-F

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